What went wrong in the last 20 Minutes against the Springboks? | The Breakdown
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- The breakdown discusses the All Blacks' loss to the Springboks after blowing a 10-point lead in the final 20 minutes of the match. What contributed to their collapse against a more experienced and resilient Springboks side? #breakdown
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Mills understands the situation. No arrogance .These guys foregt other teams can play... and improve.
Boks are currently where all blacks once where! Also all blacks know top quality teams win tho not playing great. Just remember 2 pointers at world cup. All blacks a great team but also teams are improving in world rugby. We are playing to win nxt world cup. We in the right place. We'll get better. It must be said that this is the first nz team that's not whining regarding, the haks, referee, mbonambi try and siya. Good sign for nz.
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@@sweetiemoodley1779just out of interest, what would be the cause for whining about siya? Pretty clear red for Kane that the TMO missed I thought..
@@sweetiemoodley1779 And what exactly is your point?
Hope don't exit much at Ellis Park....they are fighting for their home soil pliz try again...
Mills is the only one on this panel who respects rugby.
💯% agree... Feels the least biased on the panel by country mile
Very True!!!
@eugeneduplessis140 biased? It's a NZ rugby show 😅 They're all biased and will support NZ.
@@zachjudge5885watch the verdict and see how saffas crit the boks play...unbiased discussion is always best...
the hatred from kiwi’s & kiwi pundits toward SA since the loss has been dissapointing, including personal attacks is bad sportmanship. bad look for them unfortunately
Mills is absolutely on point really understanding how good southafrica is and gets the big pictur off the break down class act.
Mills is such a class act.
A truly great player also! One of NZs very best.
zworm2
Really?? He be way down the list. But Opinions are like asss holes everyone has one lol
This South African agrees ! He's a man that thinks before he talks, and stays quiet while he ponders an issue.
As a ABs supporter and lover off all rugby he can be a bit on the fence sometimes😂😂 but his comments in this were spot on and just remember Goldie and JK whining or questioning stuff or talking bout how ABs made mistakes that let the Boks in sort of stuff comes from a place of where ABs are as a team an where can go better be it play ref players to beat u guys the best team the big dogs the leaders … an it is a kiwi show jeez😂😂if u think our guys are biased you
obviously haven’t heard the Aussie cricket commentators 😂😂
@@fu8713look at his stats. He's a great.
Mills the only unbiased pundit on this show
Jeff Wilson is right, NZ should be frustrated, they really were the better side for the majority of the game.
@@2011hwalkerSouth Africa spent years moaning about the refs, political interference, whining about what could have been. It was piss poor behaviour when we did that and it is piss poor when the Kiwis do it. Rather focus on fixing it, select your over seas players, play people in position change tactics and focus on fixing the mistakes. If you don't it is more downhill from here.
What are you taking about they? They're analysing where the ABs went wrong and almost all the talk when the ABs loose is about where they aren't doing well enough.
They are too emotional these ones, Mills says what he sees. He indeed is spot on... forget these ones.
Yep, Mills is a class act. Loved watching him at 15 in his day and even more listening to his calm and balanced opinions now. Good man. From another Saffa.
Classy Mils Muliaina insights...
Mills mentioned the main issue. They were warned repeatedly and kept on infringing at the breakdown in their own half repeatedly. Some of the kicking from the ABs was unnecessary. As a Bok, I'm glad they made these decisions.
The problem is the interpretation from a northern hemisphere ref of the All Blacks infringements because I promise you the Blacks would get nowhere near as penalised with a southern hemisphere ref and that’s something that SA has adjusted to having played in the northern hemisphere comp
@@eugenetimihou6504 how can rules been interpreted differently. The boks outplayed the all blacks in the moments that mattered most
@@Drushen07 Rubbish they were only kept in the game by some ridiculous bs calls from the ref and TMO
All Blacks brought it hard! Well done to them. I am a Springbok supporter but the All Blacks deserve respect as they always bring a tough hard game to the Springboks!
Picking overseas players is a no-brainer. When SA started doing this, they drew a number of their first XV from overseas. Now they've managed to convince many of those same players to return home to ply their trade for their provincial sides. It was the success of their national game that drew many of those players back, and New Zealand could reap the same benefits if their four-year rebuild proceeds as planned. It makes little sense to restrict selections to locally based players now, not least because Super Rugby is not the competition you need to blood youngsters for international rugby. You can't sharpen the iron you need to win Webb Ellis trophies by beating up third-rate Aussie teams. You need legit competition: the kind the South Africans get whenever they face the elite NH club sides and that NZ now lack. Losing the South African sides has been a disaster for Super Rugby.
davesmith826
Elite NH teams is a bit of a stretch lol but we do need better competition
South Africa packed a sook losing to the elite NZ teams for many many years lol so they packed their toys and ran away to the euro competition lol
And definitely 💯 need to use our overseas players. That’s the big hole in the ABs. That’s half of the engine room right there plus Richie Mo and Smith
Massive for the ABs
But still part of rebuilding everyone expected better by this stage but 🤷🏼♂️ Definitely big improvement from the England games
This was the perfect time for ANYONE to beat the All Blacks with all the new changes coaches players
Funny when everyone starts talking trash about them they forget very fast lol
Pay no attention to bums 😂😂
History says it all numbers don’t lie or get emotional with over blown egos after a few controversial games 😂
Everyone wrote them off at RWC they weren’t even supposed to make the semis 😂😂 especially Ireland cocky MFs
Keep talking fkn amateurs
Yup SANZAAR really goofed up that arrangement. It seemed inevitable though as the SA teams hadn’t seen championship success in more than 10 years by that point and the travel was just unsustainable. I do feel though as soon as NZR let the players go overseas there will be a knock on effect in support / viewership kind of like what happened with the Currie cup in SA. If the star players are not there it will have less draw. They either need to double down and do whatever they need to do to keep the guys in NZ or let them go and find a way to keep SR/NPC well supported.
@@skibbitybopmdadait wasnt our lack of success that drove us away from Super rugby. New Zealands policy to exclude us during Covid and only include Australia was the reason we thought F U😂.
@@skibbitybopmdada There will definitely be fallow years, but Razor's goal, in my opinion, should be to blood youngsters in most of his squads and draw on the established players for the bigger tests. This would make Super Rugby a proving ground for the up and comers and give those who have already proven themselves options to earn money abroad. SA had to do this because many of their elite players were playing overseas. The situation in NZ is not as bad, largely because most of those elite overseas players are at the end of their careers, but they do not have the depth that SA have and that will always count against them in tight games.
A no-brainer would be not to allow overseas players. It would effectively turn Super Rugby into the NPC, with 100 people in the stands.
Change of half-back by the Springboks made an impact. Williams is nippy and super quick.
But he made a few mistakes when SA were under pressure
@@Ebendejongh1because he is young and needs to still gain experience ! that is exactly what Rassie said before the Game !
@@Ebendejongh1 and yet the best scrum half in South Africa...
Sorry to say this, a much better discussion, more balanced, than it is with SJK.
Yeah. He bleats like a sheep with it’s rear legs stuck in a kiwi farmer’s boots
@@swerwerindiewind7334 😂😂😂 i must try that
He's just a dik
A million times better. He's speed to be the old wose man & he's such an annoying baby
Mills is the best and only one objective
If you have Mills every week, I'll be watching every week. Brilliant analysis & unbias
As a Safrican, we respect the AB's big time all the time! The Boks just manage to do their best unfer pressure! Lots of talent at the Bok camp! The coaching staff just seen to "know"!
Most of AB tries came from Bok mistakes....another Twickenham awaits if Boks become more clinical....very clear that Boks were wayyyy to strong for this All blacks
Doubt it.
Thats pushing it a bit far by saying SA is too strong for ABs. And im a saffa.
Jeff is still in funfunland where the ABs are the measure of rugby, he needs to admit they're contending for no 2/3 spot
tend to agree stats don't lie - lost 5 from 8 against Irl, 5 from 7 against SA, lost last 2 against France plus lost 2 home games against Argentina. Of the last 3 against Eng 1 draw and just about beat Eng in two home tests. If England keep progressing ( a lot of under 20 talent) NZ could well be hovering around 4/5 in world on a regular basis. Scary but that is the reality the other teams have gotten better NZ are static.
Where is John Kirwan, did he go for counseling?.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
In some mental institution or maybe worse
Perhaps he lost his 'Sir' on the way back from the pub....that's what rugby can do to you
Probably still booing at his TV
Only Mills makes sense. Cane was lucky to escape without a card for breaking Kolisi's cheekbone. Yet the one panelist cries about the ABs yellow card being soft 😂
Likes for Mills!
They also forget that Boks had a yellow first half also
What happened to the ABs was Malcon Marks, Kwagga Smith.....
Barrett's right arm dislodges the ball and according to 11.5b, no knock on and the ball remains in play. Try.
Correct call was made albeit a little misleading or confusing.
Law 11.5 (b) The ball is not knocked-on, and play continues, if:
A player rips or knocks the ball from an opponent and the ball goes forward from the opponent’s hand or arm.
Thank you for the clarification.
And the ball never went forward!
@@johnlamb3101 The ball was still in the general field of play not the in goal and the ball was short of the line. Thats still no try.
When will we start a game with a lawyer in the reserves
You certainly have amazing eyesight if you can see Barrett's arm or hand making contact with the ball and dislodging/ knocking it forward.
Then again, some people see what they want to see.
I hope the AB's can enjoy the same benefits as the SB sometime, and play with 16 on the field.
4:51 thought it’s Roy Keane talking. “This is Manchester United we talking about here “ 😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂
That's Gary neville
Bit of a culture shock going through NZ at the moment, not used to been beaten and not used to being 3rd best team in the world currently. Should be embraced though, rugby is wonderful at the moment where there are a number of teams capable of beating each other on the day which makes it all the more exciting.
Did anyone notice in the last 20 minutes that the Springboks started playing more of their direct rugby?
Lol I saw a variation of attacks happening on that field this shape shifting Bok game plan is mal ,but our direct running was hard and did damage everytime,when the Boks play with steam and the hands stick it is rather brikliant to see
The overseas player availability rule needs to be scrapped. Thats the key for you boys
If they do that Super rugby will die.
Its far from being they "key" for us.
That would be the beginning of the end of NZ rugby which would as a side affect kill Australian rugby all together.
Oh man thats a tough one. Stuck between a rock and a hard place. If I were you, I would add japan to your super rugby so the money stays and you can let the foreign players come back.
@@danielcillie1856yes i think japan being involved in at least a revamped super rugby comp with the option of picking players for the ABs from within that competition is at least in some way more sustainable. We would potentially make up a bit for SA sides now in europe as plenty of the top Bok players currently in Japan.
At international level maybe have a promotion/relegation competition with rugby championship/pacific nations cup. Top pacific nations team gets promoted and bottom RC relegated. Just a thought
@@sandorclegane3658in all honesty it died mid\post Covid
I think the ABs played an awesome game of rugby. Huge respect to all of them. Once all is said and done, learn, move forward and go for it again, this Saturday. These are the two best teams in the planet. There has to be one winner and one loser. It’s never always gonna be you and it’s never always gonna be us. But without the losses the victories are Luke warm at best. We all know this. Rugby is a lesson in life, do your best, deal with outside circumstances often out of your control, get hit, get up, dust off, move forward. That’s why we love it.
As a south african massive respect to mills such a gentleman and a legend of the game 👍
Nothing wrong with the All Black team. They are world class and can beat any team on the day! Just keep doing what they are doing...no panic needed...from the heart of a Bok supporter.
Who exactly apart from Ardie is world class ?
@@philliproberts7294 It is a team effort. Even if you analyse the Bok team, they have individual good players and are not always the best players on the field, but understand the roles they need to play.
@@philliproberts7294 Will Jordan ? Shannon Frizzell & Cam Roigard when they're back from injury ? Springbok supporter's opinion.
To all the South Africans, I'll translate this video for you:🇿🇦
HULLE WEET NIE WAT ONS WEET NIE!!!!!!
Springboks do well when. They are tired . Just an observation. The more the games they play their Stamina kicks in .
Once they start playing with the heart it's very difficult to stop them
Could be a crazy opinion but I think the way the ABs could’ve won it is if they were more accurate with their kicking. Also patience with the phases and just getting penalties
The bench of the springboks. Smart to have fresh forwards competing hard in the last 20mjn.
It’s all strategic. The coach was a forward himself.
Rugby wins rugby . All blacks too backline dependent.
Territory and possession wins
Any team can be Beaten on the day.Rassie is true class and know what to say to the Players to win a game when under presure
I am an AB fan, but I always thought New Zealand has absolutely no chance whatsoever against South Africa considering the current skills of the teams. In a way, this is a great loss for NZ (almost a victory). Let us admit, NZ is not even a shadow of what they used to be. Their glory days are over and they are the 5th best team in the world today. They lack speed, power, motivation, tactical coaching, kicking, and even the hunger to win. Their lack of speed and almost walking speed line was badly exposed when they met Argentina before this. Even Barret has slowed down considerably over the years. Against England, it was a lucky survival a few weeks ago. They are going to be hammered by England at Twickenham and SA going to crush them by a bigger margin in the next match.
ABs really need to reinvent themselves - the rest of the world has caught up with them. Infuse some fresh young blood into the mix. All they have now is an over-rated coach and an aging team. ABs should consider a temp retirement from rugby to get their problems fixed without humiliating themselves more. Please fire this idiotic coach before he does more harm. Guy is a sick joke. I do not know who selected this guy.
"Sister Bathina...."
"....Alright we back baby"
"AMABOK BOK STYLE"
"MZANSI!"
"This one is for you..."
(Lekkerniss increases)
Always worth listening to Milss, from SA
If NZR brings back a 36 year old halfback, then that confirms the state of rugby in New Zealand.
A lot better and more honest without JK. Mills is a class act. Overall a lot more honest and scientific. Much better. Definatley keep JK off the tv.
JK could be a bokdrol spoeg kampioen
An allblack team who is supposedly struggling, lost a WC Final by 1 after being written off, forcing the Boks to pull a win out of the fire, they should be encouraged, but need to learn how to finish teams off, respect the scoreboard and tactical kicking, take points on offer. Weak points, locking stocks need to be shorn up and battle ready come WC, and they need a solid 13...I know the blacks like running, but Conrad Smiths game management and stability in that position was one of the keys to their dominance through 2009-2016, very underrated player plus the combo with Nonu...solid midfielders that have contributed to.wc successes, Tindall-Greenwood, Nonu-Smith, Dallende-Kriel-Am
Think the panel is forgetting the altitude factor in the last 20 min
Awesome game well done AB’s well done Boks
Two best teams on the planet
The majority of this Springbok team live on sea level, at the coast. They would have the same challenges with altitude I think
Mills knows ball
Andrew Merhtens put it best - in the last 5 years this has become a 23 man game - so u have to start planning for the impact and change of the game dynamic - Rassie got us the jump on everyone else in this regard.
What went wrong in the last 20 Minutes against the Springboks?
The South African Freight Train came at The ABs and they had not chance
TJ needs to go immediately
Very rare to see NZ butcher a 10 point lead!! For the last two decades, they were the team to win it from 10 points down with 10 to play! Something changed after the home series loss to IRE! Said with the utmost respect!
On another Earth Sam Cane would have been handed his 2nd red in consecutive games against the Boks; their first try would have been pinged for shearing; their propensity for cynical play after being penalized at the breakdown in their 25 would have earned them four yellows, not one; Damian would have been blown for overrunning the clock by 5 seconds; and the repeated high tackles would have tallied 20+ penalties, not 14. But this is Earth where New Zealand's flagrant disregard of the rules and fair play amounts to nothing less than getting away with murder.
By and large, South Africans have learnt to keep their mouths shut about the poor adjudicating, but it's exasperating watching you guys squealing about a try that would require a microscope to adjudicate. The very reason TMO's are afraid to intervene is because of all your complaining.
Cane is our own Owen Farrell dodgy tackle card-machine.
14 penalties awarded against the ABs, compared to SA’s 5. That’s always going to work for the blokes with 5 only. Mind you, the one against TJ was weird. What did he say?
We ran out of puff - Ellis Park does that to touring teams - and currently we don’t have an amazing bench, whereas SA’s bench is now legendary. SA have talent in depth, these days they are developing players from a massive catchment - NZ population is 5m, is SA’s something like 45m plus? I see SA just getting better and better.
@@CalTheKiwi1 "dodgy tackle card-machine" 🤣🤣🤣. No idea what TJ said, but NH refs have fragile egos so he may just have asked him the time. My thoughts exactly on the talent pool. It's 60m and I'm surmising that there's an avalanche of young kids from the townships coming who are all waiting to become the next Sia, Am, Sasha, Fassi ..., and the systems are largely in place to bring them in.
Boks just upped their tempo and execution in the last 20min along with the bench making an impact
It’s so beautiful to see that NZL and SA have such respect for each other. It’s kind of like us against the world. As a South African, I’ve really come to love the ABs. We are brothers.
This was a virtual carbon copy of the Wellington game against Argentina when the All Blacks were ahead until the last 20 minutes. Argentina won against all odds. The Boks came back at the death as well. 14 penalties against does not help either.
It was the ref you cant win a game when your getting penalized that much half of those penalties and crucial decisions was were the game was lost and minimum 5 of those penalties in the last 18 mins were just pure BS. Scary thing is its another european ref for the next game but surely he cant be as bad as Brace was in this. Brace put on the worst refereeing performance going both ways I have ever seen.
@@austingtirAll Blacks buckle under pressure and make many mistakes. Can't blame the ref when they are transgressing all the time. Lucky they didn't get more yellow cards.
Boks came back, but not against all odds. That is what South Africa does these days. It is expected. Can't compare us to Argentina.
@@dantewalters7207 Nah that more than pressure the ref was handing out unlimited penalties to the boks thats why they got such a roll on. Some of those penalties were justified but almost as many clearly werent. The AB's know they nearly had that game and will go about trying to win despite another northern ref with their queer interpretations this weekend.
@@austingtirdude you should have got another yellow as well how many penalties did you conceed in the red zone and you weren't even warned yeah the ref clearly helped you Sam cane should be cited for the high hit on kolisi
Did you see Kolbe bump Scott Barret on his ass
And it's not the first time he's put a forward down 😮
Game is long over stop complaining about everything besides looking at the AB are no longer dominating rugby. South Africans use to blame the ref and everyone else.
@@JuicyJLeeNo one is complaining lol. Who are you arguing with?😂
@@JuicyJLeewe still are highly critical of referees. Don't think it decided the match. But took focus away on the positives of both teams
Yip. Brilliant. I don’t remember the pundits mentioning it but it was remarkable. Mighty Mouse!😂
Scary the ABs played as well as they could, SA played poorly for 40 minutes. This is a weak AB team who are coached extremely well, we managed to out play the SA for most of the game. But the 6 replacement forwards made the difference in the last 15 minutes where we still hadn’t brought two of our forward replacements till about 10 minutes to go. Our back row were out on their feet towards the last 20 minutes making silly errors and poor judgement, same thing could be said of Beaudy who had his worst 10 minutes in an AB jersey toward# end of game, kicking the ball the last two possessions he had, The impact of the high Veldt was really noticeable as the game went on, our weaker bench contributing to the stronger SA finish.
What a great match.
Could've gone either way.
Respect the ALL BLACKS
A 6/2 split will always have an inherent risk in it and eventually it'll bite the Boks as it almost did on the weekend. But maybe the benefit is too much to overlook. If the ABs are going to be putting points on teams mainly in the first half, have another forward come on to help close it out.
Fair and respectful comment however almost has never counted for anything in life! High risk, high reward. Everyone is still waiting for Oom Russie to fail.
They could do worse than try this:
Jordan to 15
Telea to 14
Proctor to 13
Jacobson to 6
Sotutu to 8
Beauden, Ardie, Reiko all on the bench, in a 6-2 split with Savea covering Centre and 2nd row, Barrett covering FB, 10 and 9, and Reiko covering Centre and wing.
😂I CANT WAIT FOR "THE NERVOUS BREAKDOWN" on monday!!!
😂😂😂
Refereeing confounded me. Who is responsible for collapsing scrums? 14 penalties awarded to Springboks. Just five to NZ???
AB’s could have had another 2 yellow cards and a red from Cane on Kolisi. Count yourselves lucky.
ABs are I'll disciplined period.
@@mthunziphakathi4215yea, no one seems to understand that if we hadn’t been yellow carded in the last 13 minutes we might have won……no discipline and lack of understanding of the rules
@@derekstuart9731And why are we kicking the ball so much, you may as well throw it to them and say “here ya go mate fill ya boots”
@@julieharris8562, 15 penalties conceded… a yellow card was bound to happen…I was surprised it happened that late in the game
1st try was lineout obstruction and should not have been allowed ( check it ) Boks first try was also not good, Sam Cane should have been yellow-carded for Kolesie Head tackle, there were lots of things missed. the better team won forget the Ref. The ref was kind to the All Blacks so many penalties there should have been more cards lol
Agreed!
As a Bok supporter. I dont agree with Jeff. The experience you pick up playing abroad is priceless. You should not keep them at home alone. I think that is one of tghe reasons the Boks have improved over the last decade.
The problem with teams are that they are struggling to play a full 80mins against the Springboks who have mastered a 80min game. The scary thing is that this SA team wasn't even the first choice full team and yet the Springboks were very tough.
Ball security and ruck dominance as the game goes on.
Springboks have a great strategy with their bench . I like their style of rugby. Simple, territory and ball possession often wins.
it’s a clever machine hey
NZ played excellent , that bench will get experience and this will be a diffrent story in the future.. Kuddos NZ iron shapes iron ..
Nahh.... Fell to bits. 😂
The All Blacks handled the bom squad perfectly it was in the tight 5 Tupou Vai needed to come off around the 56th minute , he missed a vital tackle and should have been sub by Sam Darry as he was spent . The sin bin didn't help our cause Darry fresh would have slowed the south African forward pack enough for us to win the game , onto the next improving so much we will be a force , Go All Blacks.
We know that that was the best that the All Blacks can produce, and that the Boks played at about 6/10, and will improve immensely for capetown. It's going to be a rough day for the All Blacks this Saturday.
ABs lost the game when they brought on the bench. Two props did fine till the yellow, Codie should have stayed on. The backs should not have been switched. Get back the superstars, change the rules, it is the stars who make the game. Get Frizzell and Brodie and Aaron. Keep Cane in the fold. You work all those years to train and mold and coddle them. They are unique individuals. The 1 in a Billion human. They are good to have around the younger players.Invest in them and their future. It will make NZs rugby future better and richer.
Respect from SA. Blondie needs to remember that the Boks were very much sub par. Boks made many defensive errors, poor pass for that interception. The stats on the second half are very damming to the ABs - if memory serves Boks had 70% plus territory . On that yellow card - that was more to do with multiple infringements in the 22. One could argue that a yellow should have been issued earlier for other transgressions. Looking forward to CPT.
Looking forward to next episode. Please make sure JK is there !
Good analysis and points to ponder on boyz. I'd stay with the 5/3 but with rassie delaying and could look to go 7/1, so i wouldn't mind seeing a 6/2. Backs are starting to sharpen up, but a few decisions with our kicking strategy could still do with some work and ideas. Only thing i would say is cortez shouldn't have come of the bench for his first test on SA home soil, would've started him and bring Tj of the bench, no knock on Teej, still performed well. Not going for that 3 to go 30 was crucial. Bench was not too bad, but the timing of bringing them on with only 10 points up to defend desperate just got penalties after penalties under immense pressure. Some bad ref calls didn't help like ofas yellow card killing momentum and losing composure hurt us. 10 is never enough to hold for 20 minutes against a ranked 1 side, so make smart decisions and seize the moment. Keep up the build boyz 🖤💪
Guys I have green blood, Bok supporter, I would not be hard on your guys. It was a good game, that turned on a knife point. It could have gone either way. I think both teams offered the fans absolute value for money. I was like going to a cathedral, the atmosphere was intense. When both teams are so evenly matched, its small things like home advantage that can sometimes carry the match. Thanx Ferns for a great game.
I think Jeffs remarks is spot on. I looked at that all black line up and i though its in the bag. South africa had many inexperienced players. I think the winds are blowing the other way. All blacks used to be the team closing out games. Now the boks are doing it. again jeff is making gr8 remarks. All did but Jeffs questions is questions that needs answers.
Should’ve taken points and would’ve made it 30 - 17. Kicking for the corner and not scoring is when the game turned.
Play hard rugby for first hour, last 20 ran out of steam because of altitude, would be a rookie mistake if they were a minnow taem, guess they just wanted to make a statement
Richie McCaw would of been a yellow card magnet in this era tthat man played the ball on the ground every ruck
The laws.werw different then.
McCaw would have adjusted his game for current rules and be just as dominant now as he was. Very smart rugby player with outstanding understanding of rules.
you know as a bok fan, past 20 yrs, we were a good team, basically expected to win every game, top team in the world, but have been so so far off the ABs. its been so frustrating being so good but being so far from the best. to finally hear AB pundits talk like this about the boks where 'this is our chance to win', is exactly what its been like for us all these years. dammit its nice. i do expect nzl to take the test in cpt though, may the best team win !
The reality the Boks were poor and the All Blacks played the best game they could. All Blacks mentality is where they lost this game.
All blacks are the most ill disciplined side over the weekend and very lucky to get away with lot things…bringing and 36 year old back pretty much sums up where they are at. We are in golden age of bokrugby just accept it
Discipline and closing out games are fundamental components missing alongside other rusty components. Using the players instincts with a solid appreciation for my first two mentioned points….we’ll get there
Turning down the 3 points was the single biggest error for me.
Ofa's yellow card was a Team Yellow Card, not for just the unfortunate incident, as Mils said they were warned. If the All Blacks took the three points on offer and Damian hit those two missed conversions, we would be singing a different tune. I would see what they have to offer in the next game, because I think a massive amount of experience and knowledge was taken from that Ellis Park match.
I agree with Jeff on this one we need to evolve and choose our best players available from overseas. Imagine if we had our best players available for selection, Mo'unga, Leicester Fainga'anuku and Shannon Frizell and many more players who would make a massive impact on our team. The Boks do it why the fuck are we not allowed to do it. Shit doesn’t make sense to me.
The only Wally that is missing from this debate is the legendary Matt
6-2 split is going to be the new normal 😊
Exactly Brodie Smith and Richie and shanan would make this team two in the world straight away maybe even 1
10:44 I have to agree that the ABs bench was not up to scratch and that is one of the reasons the Boks pulled it back in the 2nd. Also be careful playing a Bok game against the Boks if you want to start using a 6-2 split the Boks will respond, no doubt. Keep to your game plan, execute. See you boys in the weekend for round two, good luck and GO BOKKE!
The number of penalties the All Blacks conceded is a measure of the pressure they were under.
Frizzel is such a hardman, and a lineout option n lock like a pstd,
A few turning points that changed the game, the Perinara swearing incident with the ref, Tu'ungafasi yellow card, the springbok knock on and try awarded and Jordies aimless kicking lost us the game, however i believe we are on the track and starting to string things together
Some people forget that the Boks also had a number of young players on the field, most of whom had never played the ABs before.
Yes, they couldn't close out the game, but man, if we keep playing like the first three quarters, watch out everyone. The experience of shutting down will come. I took away a lot of positives from that game.
This was a fantastic game of rugby. Top class. However, we need to start to develop a new team. We will lose games along the way but as we already doing, lets get started. The old guard need to go. BB kicking the ball away at the death was inexcusable. They shoot horses for less.
Boks will go up 4-0. Tide has turned to geen
Do what it takes to keep them here is advice the entire Southern Hemisphere should be taking. We have the best players, we should be selling the best comp.
when you say that the Springboks pick from overseas, is that really accurate?
😂😂😂😂😂😂 remember, human beings are excellent at creating excuses from anything
Jeff is like a broken record.
Unhappy old man😂
A lot of valid points. It'd be nice if we had a captain with a brain that can communicate too. Not sure who that would be, but it ain't the current roster.
Teams like South Africa, Fiji and Fiji Drua feed off the chant and the noise by crazy fans at home....it's not easy to win when the atmosphere is so electrifying.
The next game is going to be tight Abs had an opportunity to put spring boks away but failed
My man… that penalty count was ludicrous. The fact that they didn’t get a yellow earlier is crazy.
Asure the defence is impeccable
ABs Looked amazing! Sure things to improve but I don't get the constant heavy criticism. SA has been on fire for the last 2 years and we have been wobbly. I felt the last game was the first sign of a new level coming. The boys stood up to the SA forward pack on every level and our backs scored running tries, where were SA running tries? Just wait the tide is turning again
ABs need to stop worrying about winning every game and focus on building a new team. When Rassie took over, the Springboks did not have the best winning record towards the build up of the 2019 RWC. Winning every game was not the objective. Building towards the RWC was the objective. Give younger new players an opportunity to proof themselves against the best, even if it means losing. Stop being so loyal towards players who do not perform. It will build experience and create depth. Rassie gave Sacha Feinberg-Mngomezulu the opportunity to proof himself against the best and found a diamond. If allowing overseas players to be selected to create that depth then do that. Looking forward to this coming match.
Go Bokke!
That is what Rassie meant when he said " wild dogs" in chasing the Sun 2.
Wild dogs never stop chasing until they've got their prey which they then eat alive
Bro it was one of the toughest games for both sides and great learning experience for both sides admittedly the boks got a get out jail card in the end though hopefully both sides learnt the lessons presented. The abs can walk out with their heads held high
Bottom line. AB.,s were beaten by a Sprinkbok Team with lots of youngsters. Me personally never felt that we would lose. We absorbed the pressure and demolished the AB's when the time was right
Guys, its what went wrong in the first 60 minutes. Why did the alblacks not stretch their lead when they had dominance?
I wonder where John Kirwin. He had alot to say before this game. He had a lot of energy. Now he's super quiet. Just love it.😂😂😂😂
For me what is interresting , the Arogance of Goldi , " we are talking about the All Blacks here"