Nikola delivered two electric trucks to a customer in Los Angeles. So this company is not ahead of Nikola. BYD has also delivered a few trucks recently.
No wonder the establishment and imperialists are scared of China. The achievement they have made in the last 20 years in mind boggling. And its not just the automotive industry but its from the ground up, infrastructure to aviation. Kudos to the Chinese people! You deserve it because its extremely hard work behind every change and success.
Battery swapping makes so much sense! I drove an EVSR in the 25 Hours of Thunderhill race 2 months ago, and we did battery swap pit stops in under 2 minutes.
seems a lot. for sure being at beginning the process is not perfected. these are not tires. just slide and clamp. but what I know? I fix computers not cars :)
@@ehombane And currently a Volvo tractor on an abnormal load trailer will have bigger tanks which can take as much as 15 minutes to fill with diesel. On thing I wonder is whether they have powered the trailer wheels, and put a battery pack under the trailer. One of the German trailer manufacturers already manufactures special trailers for extra heavy loads which have a diesel with a generator at the back and multiple axles with electric motors. In 2019 I saw that Eddie Stobart Logistics in the UK had some new trailers which had electric motors and both batteries and solar panels on the roof. These motors provided extra power when starting off and climbing hills.
@@dzonikg The initial commentary is about racing. and for racing I have said that is a lot. In racing if I remember well tires are changed in seconds. Also if I remember well, the actual swapping for some chinese comercial cars is done in 3 minutes. how much it just said in this video that is for this truck? So this is why I said that for racing 2 minutes is a lot.
Nice concept. Would be cool if they added a piezochromatic/smart glass film that can be either clear (driving) or matte (sleeping) using a small current instead of having to use curtains. Would add even more to the novelty factor.
Revolutionise trucking by doing away with OTR trucking altogether, replace it with electric freight-rail and last-mile delivery. Road building and expansion, and road-repair is a huge CO2 producer everywhere.
You’re absolutely right, you see it work well in Europe, but you certainly don’t see the will or the mindset here in the states to see that happen. Pretty darn unfortunate for us and for the health of the only place that any of us have to live.
@@FowlorTheRooster1990 Slowly and steadily Lithium batteries are getting better, lasting longer, improving on recycling etc. Plus, there are newer technologies like the solid state batteries or the theoratical Quantum battery that lasts 100-500 years. I'm sure in the coming decades, Batteries will only improve. Gas powered cars were highly polluting at one point of time too.
@It's not looking good The "last mile" will always be by truck, but (for example) if you need to shift a lot of goods from the docks in Southampton, to London or Manchester or Edinburgh - it'd make loads more sense to do the bulk of the shifting on the rails, and have the lorries just do the last bit. Maybe make it a planning requirement that any new parcel delivery hub has a rail link, would be a sensible start.
@@conventionalwisdom Yes, all options ought to remain open. Far too much was moved onto the roads, back when environmental impacts were not considered.
So cool, inside and out .... the battery swapping does it for me. If they can nail that, would be great. Imagine a logistics network that enabled swapping at every stop point
Hopefully they are set up for the trucks to take multiple packs. They are bound to have packs in use that have been pushed past their recommended service life. Good to have a backup for when one fails by surprise.
That truck has what I see the truck drivers from the northern China doing when they are waiting for their load for up to a week. They are cooking, washing their clothes, watching TV inside or outside of their trucks. They have a Honda generator and a window A/C unit, a small washing machine and a hot plate.
Nice job, and definitely a potential EV truck for the future. Just one little point, there remains the tendency to see these vehicle as competition for Tesla, which in part they are, but more importantly they are serious competition for the existing fleet of ICE powered vehicles, that’s the true impact of competition. Fascinating to see the excellent material you are showcasing from China. Can’t wait for it to be available here.
They are not serious competition for ice vehicles.... Not until something better and cheaper than lithium comes along. Even the best lithium batteries are 20X the weight of diesel. To pull a 30 ton artic 1,000 miles uses 200kg of diesel, that would be 4 tons of batteries, that is just not going to happen. Tesla sells cars because it is a niche market, same as Ferrari sells cars.... Ferrari doesn't make trucks because that is not it's market, Tesla and this company wont be selling any trucks.
Cool concept, will be interesting to see how much of this actually makes production and how many battery swap locations actually go into service, that alone could make or break the entire idea of BEV long haul trucks.
I think it will be another decade before BEV trucks will actually be able to do long haul trips. All electric trucks are lower range, and also not yet being mass manufactured yet.
@@dannytadashi4235 In 5-10 years, Chinese automakers will be a large chunk of the EV market around the world. The ICE automakers gave up on EVs decades ago, giving China the golden opportunity to leapfrog into the lead. China made the better decisions.
Elliot, logistics is actually the mathematics behind the science of transportation, stock control, shelving layout, sourcing, manufacture, sales, packaging and resources; amongst many other things as well. Trucks are simply one of the resources used to fullfill supply chain and sales logistics.
Battery swapping makes so much sense for HGVs. I'd imagine they could have several smaller standardized battery packs which could be swapped out and added depending on the range and load of the trip and 3rd party swapping stations along routes. It's great that the government is seriously pushing ahead for battery swapping standardization for trucks.
As an ageing truck driver I can say with total certainty these will never be spec'd up by customers with a panoramic roof, a washing machine, a shower, or a toilet in it, either China or Europe! Companies just won't pay for it... The technology has been around for these luxuries for years, but freight companies don't care that much about their drivers, and the cost would be passed onto their customers who also won't want to pay for it, sorry. Its nice to dream though...
The best person to review this electric truck is a Polish truck owner-operator in Europe who owns a Volvo (diesel) and has a YT channel about her trucking life. She would definitely be able to offer some practical insights into operating this truck. Her name is Iwona Blecharczyk and does a good job of describing trucks and her trucking life.
Plenty of truckies in China and nearby countries for advice but for Japan market it would have to be a toilet with music and warm water sprays.......big markets in middle east but I guess belt and road is going to connect everyone by rail.
I sincerely hope Farizon keeps this model as it is during the full production stage, any changes and basically you end up looking the same as any other truck on the road.
I have a panoramic roof on my car. I close it off in the sun. It's took much. I use it on dull, rainy days. It looks nice and let's in a bit more light.
Great to see another promising heavy concept truck. Esp. the Chinese battery swapping is far more developed than anywhere else in the world. I know of a small concept project by some German engineers. Nothing in big scale yet. Quite funny to see Jack's presentation of the VW e-Bully (the hopefully-to-come campervan) directly before this episode, showing a vehicle with exactly these camper qualities, though for quite a different purpose. 😁 But hey, since truck drivers are missing so badly, at least in the western hemisphere, this could push attractivity of the job much. Of course shifting cargo transport from street to rail should be the main goal, but the remaining rest will be gigantic nevertheless and needs shift to sustainability as well. Personally, I favour the pure battery concept, but sustainability must improve beyond the interior both for BEV and fuel cell (battery resources, esp. from China, green H2,...). So finally, nice presentation, thanks Eliot and team! 👍
Great update and good to see some input from the Asian region. Vietnam awaits? A big takeaway from this is that the battery swap approach is becoming the medium term preferred approach for heavy vehicle range without too much down time and without the high capital requirements for megawatt class charging.
Not sure why the tractor is carrying the trailer when we move to this level of technology. If the tractor towed the trailer then it would have fewer weight restrictions and be able to dramatically increase the number of batteries in the tractor and dramatically increase the load in the trailer. More wheels on the road of course though weight further spread and shared resulting in less wear and tear. Battery swapping might get down to an automated minute and straight out and in through the front of the truck. Great to see and many thanks for the presentation it appears that China is a world leader in the right direction for the trucking industry.
Really like to see how China is pushing forward and leading with vehicles like this. I really hope it convinces Murican manufactures to make the switch too.
Murican truck drivers don't even like auto transmissions, they don't want the mandatory systems that reduce emissions, they like loud exhausts. Do you think that they will accept this kind of trucks? They will start moaning for everything in this kind of trucks.
I like the inovations that china has with EVs, But I hate to see the rest of the world just buying into their products with 0 blowback for their treatment of muslims in their country and other human rights violations. Violations that honestly are not acceptable with western countries. Yet China is being welcomed in with no criticism. I dont approve and seriously dont want China effectively taking over with their serious social problems.
@@joshuakhaos4451 If anybody thinks the same way I don't think that anybody would buy anything from some countries. To be honest, I don't think that anybody cares when it's time to pay the bill, especially when the numbers are over 5 or 6 digits.
@@joshuakhaos4451 I'm still waiting for evidence of mistreatment of Muslims In China, they shouldn't mislead people with witnesses statements from separatists and pass it of as facts. If you care for Muslims maybe don't support the EU or the 5 eyes alliance as we kill them by the millions
That's perfect for a multi-day cargo delivery truck. The only thing missing is an entertainment center for when the truck needs to be recharged and for rest stops.
I ask the same question as those folks years ago......Do we really Need a faster horse, or do we need something completely different? I'm asking this now because I question the need to haul freight over long distances in trucks or something else? Like a rail or maglev train? Then when that freight gets to its geographical area, have much more efficient vehicles take it the last 100 miles or? to its final destination? Got to be a better way to haul huge quantities of "stuff" all over the country in relatively old technology. It works. A model T works, but is it the best that can be done?
We definitely need to get as much freight off of long distance truck trips and into grid connected electric trains as possible, but I think that long distance trucks aren't going to completely go away.
You would need a lot of train tracks to get goods within 100 miles of everyone in every country? Also Trucks can go places where trains can't easily go
Ok. I can see they are not kidding about the belt and road initiative: how many of these trucks will be running logistics between China and Europe/Africa in the future?
I'm a bit sceptical about battery swapping for cars but in a truck it makes perfect sense. Dare I say it, as a Tesla enthusiast, Musk could learn a thing or from what Farizon are planning as the Tesla Semi is suddenly not looking as good. I really hope this concept gets on the road without too many compromises.
As an HGV driver, here is my opinion. Truck stops have showers, why carry it with you? Pointless. Washing machine, I'd rather have a microwave oven. I can bring enough clean clothes with me, but having warm food is very nice. Sink outside? Why? Also, every job has tools. You need storage for them. So instead of the sink outside, have a storage box on the drivers side. Toilet inside. I can piss standing, and for poo, I really don't want to live in the same space with it. Instead of the toilet, I'd rather have a fridge. Also truck stops, warehouses, factories, they all have toilets. Cloth surfaces. This is a dirty job. Mud, salt from the road, grease from the saddle/trailer/suzies, cleaning it would be a nightmare. Panoramic roof. I really hope you can cover it up well. It would be really disturbing while driving. And the sun can blind you. It would be nice while resting though.
Finally someone who makes sense .... im not a truck driver but i share your opinion , in the west both toilet and showers are available at the truck stops . Maybe it makes more sense in China , i have been at a few truck stops on the highways in China and although they do have toilets, my experience is that they are dirty and badly maintained and i doubt most have showers .
Speaking from CDL Truck Driver ~400k miles of experience, this thing is a dream and I would love to pilot one! I now drive a Model Y full time and am patiently awaiting the electric trucks. The soonest I can get in one, the better.
I really like how you said thinking beyond the metal box that people are used to. It's time for innovation and the old ice car companies are not getting it.
The future of trucking is going back to railways. It's the most sustainable, fastest, and efficient option. But this is a neat kinda romantic nomadic concept. Long term it's cheaper for countries to build out rail infrastructure than to keep subsidizing the trucking industry with citizen tax money via road repair and direct subsidies to oil companies. Big long haul trucks are a waste of resources and human value. Truck deliveries should be limited to the last 10 miles.
Where did you see that? With newest Just In Time logistics trains can not deliver in time, it is more cost effective for companies to have zero reserves in their warehouses and get the merchandise right at the moment the shelf gets empty. There are no rails everywhere, so you have to use trucks to make the delivery.
if you have battery swapping, you're better to have the solar panels there where they are always in the sun and reducing the weight you are hauling around.
@@rubikfan1 That can be, do you have any research on that? The cost of puting adds on the truck versus the proven income? On the Sion and the Aptera cars they use innovative kind of solar foils that weigh very little and add a lot of kW. And trucks have a huge surface.
@@BMWHP2 but it will still be cheaper and more effective to have cheap panels, located at the correct orientation in an always sunny location. adding cost and complexity to the vehicle (which has a short lifespan and gets damaged etc) isn't the most efficient. also the aptera etc their panels are not as good as static panels and it relies on the fact that most of the time cars are sitting around unused, not true with trucks.
@@mralistair737 Exactly. Also, as someone often walking along White Cliffs of Dover and watching the port from above, I can point out one thing - trailer roofs are always white, regardless of their sides. Why? to reflect sunlight and not overheat the cargo. Especially true for refrigerators - those usually are fully white with just few logos on the side. And before anyone says put solar panels on refrigerators to power them, I'll point out that if it was enough, they would not require those industrial sockets on the ferries - regular socket would be enough. 16m long 2.5m trailer has roof area of about 40m sq. That would fit 6.4KW of solar. Set flat, somewhere in Belgium, that would produce about 30KWh in June, provided those are perfectly exposed (which they are not while traveling through tunnels, under bridges or being parked next to tall building). 30/24=1.25KW More energy would be wasted hauling extra weight and dispersing extra heat from roof being dark. Just found out that 40ft refrigerated container requires 6 to 9KW. That's a lot of panels that better be located at the depot's roof. Pointing towards sun as much as possible and not having to deal with road dirt.
I believe hard bodied trailers, like the one in this video, would be a great place to put a load of those very thin stick on solar panels like the ones you see on the solar aeroplanes. I know they wouldn't charge the batteries up much but any advantage is still an advantage. The only downside I can see, other than the added weight, is the fact that in the UK most of the trailers are curtain sided and the solar panels are not flexible enough. I love the idea of swappable batteries. Fork lift trucks and ride on pallet trucks etc have had swappable batteries for decades. If you have an internal fleet of lorries I believe swappable batteries would be best. What I mean about an internal fleet is - a fleet of lorries that are used to move products purely from one depot to another within the same company. Supermarket chains have big distribution depots where the individual items are delivered in bulk then shipped out in smaller quantities to the stores. Where there is room, these stores could have a battery swapping area that the driver/store person could use to swap the batteries whilst being unloaded/loaded. Eddie Stobart is such a big company that they have their own yards to park their lorries so could easily swap batteries out. I personally don't like sunroof's in cars let alone the panoramic ones. If there is no blind to block out the light how is the driver supposed to sleep, especially during the day? Whilst the idea of making a driver's life as comfortable as possible is a great idea there is a drawback unfortunately. The more items you put in the cab the LOWER the carrying capacity of the truck becomes. In the UK there is a maximum weight to the trucks, 40 tons for 5 axle and 44 tons for 6 axle trucks. I know the items individually don't weigh that much but combined they add up. 1,000 litres of water weighs approximately 1 ton (1,000kg). Depending on the shower, the average 10 minute shower uses between 120 and 150 litres of water. That's 120-150kgs of water per shower. How much for the washing machine? Yes, make things for the driver as comfortable as possible but that is why services have showers and mirrors to use to have a shave etc. Driving 50-60 hours per week in the UK is illegal I believe. Also in Europe. I'm not 100% sure about this but I believe it is about 45 hours on average on a 2-3 week rolling basis, I think. Someone will no doubt correct me.
MOST of the trailers on UK roads are actually Reefers. The very things literally keeping everyone alive !! And YES, companies ARE trialing solar roofs etc on the trailers including our own company which is one of the biggest in Europe.
Great video. Nice to see another excellent one from Elliot. I like the detail lifestyle attention to the driver[s]. I magine that a truck like this could be at the head of a convoy, where the following trucks would be self-driving. One small thing. One of the several reasons why drivers are leaving trucking is that they want to be home at the end of the day. In many situations this can be achieved by just swapping loads, so that a driver operates over a shorter distance. Hands off a load and picks up another coming in the opposite direction to the return depot. Over very long distances it works like links in a chain. Plus, of course, the truck is not required to have an immensely long range. Just enough for one out and charge, or one out/in and charge, journey. A BEV truck could do that pretty damn easily right now. With the coming of longer range trucks, like the Tesla Semi, this becomes a proper doddle.
Because at best that's 35KWh per day in June/July (in Northern hemisphere) per day. Trucks require way more power per kilometre than cars. So those 35 turn into a dozen km. While every extra kg of weight of a trailer takes away from cargo capacity. Modern trailers are made as light as possible so that out of those 44000kg of maximum weight cargo uses as much as possible. Sometimes even 200kg might be the difference between having to split cargo in two vehicles or sending it in one piece. In cars, it is very difficult to exceed maximum allowed weight, since you don't have enough space for that much cargo. Commercial vehicles, on the other hand, can be on edge, while still having a lot of empty space. Besides, roof on a trailer sometimes has to be opened, which is done by moving all the tarpaulin (canvas) to one end. While flexible solar panel exist, they are not flexible enough. And lack efficiency of rigid panels.
the problem with battery swapping is you need double the batteries, there already is a shortage on batteries as it is. Why add to this problem when charging can be done when stopping every couple hours of driving?
Interesting video, but the presenter seems a bit nervous, and kind of floats through the presentation without actually thinking too much about what he's saying. Why does he think the most important thing is the few bits of wood & fabric in the cabin (within a huge hunk of metal & plastic), and then later says the best thing is the home part of the truck? Also, since when has trucking been called "logistics"? Logistics is the process of organizing operations, which can apply to many different businesses, not just trucking. Contrary to what he says near the start there have been many huge changes in logistics over the past hundred years. Also, at 15:30 it would make more sense if what he said was the other way around (i.e. "not only does this have to be built for distance, but durability aswell"). It would have been nice to see the inside of the trailer aswell, as I imagine that is also quite important for any truckers watching this, and why not introduce the driver instead of keeping him off camera? Sorry to be picky, I realise you like to lay on the positivity & superlatives on this channel, but perhaps my feedback can be taken as constructive criticism.
Looks great, but what's the weight of the battery needed to provide a decent range? I've seen various analyses which show that it has to be so heavy that it seriously hinders the weight the trucks can carry, which is one of the most important factors for logistics companies.
Getting busy on the back of an envelope I came up with these numbers:- Engine + Gearbox + 1500L fuel tanks removed saves 2300Kg. Equivalent 1400nm replacement motors 100Kg (ignoring gearboxes that may be needed to get 40 ton truck from 0 to 100kph). Gives you a possible battery weight of 2195Kg. At cutting edge battery density that's 578KWhr of capacity. Using the target efficiency suggested in the video of 1.4KWhr / km gives a range (without making the truck any heavier / not reducing its payload) of 412km. Currently available charge rates of 360KW that would take 96 minutes to recharge. Every extra 1000Kg of battery would give an extra 188Km of range.
Hmm I'm wondering where is the space for stuff like washer liquid (at least 5 x 5L as boss won't pay for buing it on gas station), chains, bunch of usefull tools, etc. It usually takes big chunk of space in place where now the washing machine is.
Farizon is a brand under Geely Commercial Auto. Wonder if there be a VOLVO version of this Homtruck. Can’t imagine US will allow a Chinese EV on american road, but a VOLVO may be ok. I saw another video showing the production version, shower, bed, washing machine, cooktop and toilet are all kept, but all inside the side camera (two lenses) monitors moved to higher position. Think there is front and rear looking down cameras too. Saw another Farizon prototype truck with no driver.
They are certainly thinking about driver comfort, I love the idea of a cassette toilet. I would be interested in the power output for the Canadian market? I used to run 15 - 18 litre Diesel’s and heavy long distance load capabilities are very important. Don’t like the idea of a panoramic roof, too much heat in the summer and too much light for sleeping during the day. Also what is the plan for reefer loads? Will they electrify the trailer or SeaCan?
@@ForeverNeverwhere1 what is a thetford porta potty? I’ve only seen cassette toilets while in Australia, here we use Black tanks and empty them at dump stations.
Wonder if team driving is the norm there. The bed and shower are useful, but they'll need to add some setup for draining and filling the water tanks. The little portable toilet was a nice thought, although just kind of thrown in there... Definitely be better if they had a urinal type pullout in the shower area. Lot better than than a bottle....
14:40 you say no other truck has OTA updates at the moment is incorrect. For example Volvo and Mack has them for their HD range to upgrade new features, software campaigns etc.
They should have installed a washer dryer powered by movement of the truck wheels.. or the wheel closest to the big black disc on the side of the truck
Great looking concept and I hope they make it. Surely the trailer roof needs covering in PV panel's. I know it couldn't be done with some trailer types when you can why not?
04:13 -- "They haven't said anything about the battery..." and for good reason. *GVWR* - The maximum legal weight for a fully loaded semi-tractor in the United States is 80,000 pounds. The unladen weight of an interstate semi-tractor with an empty 53 foot trailer is about 35,000 pounds, leaving 45,000 pounds for cargo. A battery pack with enough energy for long haul trucking would easily weigh as much as the entire tractor and trailer, *leaving precious little for cargo*
Oh hey, it actually moves under its own power, already well ahead of Nikola.
🤣 Nikola is actually testing tractors now, but I think it is short range at the Port of LA/LB.
Nikola delivered two electric trucks to a customer in Los Angeles.
So this company is not ahead of Nikola.
BYD has also delivered a few trucks recently.
No proof it can move alone.
AMBEV has two hydrogen trucks they are testing, also made by Nikola.
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How lovely
Really nice to see the they’ve worked out that HGV drivers are human too and they certainly deserve the comforts and utilities every needs
Well said
Or perhaps just decent roadside services would be best
No wonder the establishment and imperialists are scared of China. The achievement they have made in the last 20 years in mind boggling. And its not just the automotive industry but its from the ground up, infrastructure to aviation. Kudos to the Chinese people! You deserve it because its extremely hard work behind every change and success.
Stolen patents and IP.
@@maydate86 From whom this semi was stolen? Can you enlighten me please?
What about those 100 millions of people living in poverty that made China government able to spend all those money on technologies.
They don't invent anything they just steal other people's ideas. And use slave labor to produce them. Not impressed at all
@@maydate86 stolen from whom you clown
Battery swapping makes so much sense! I drove an EVSR in the 25 Hours of Thunderhill race 2 months ago, and we did battery swap pit stops in under 2 minutes.
seems a lot. for sure being at beginning the process is not perfected. these are not tires. just slide and clamp. but what I know? I fix computers not cars :)
@@ehombane Trucks always wait something ..they wait on borders even days sometimes so 2 minutes is nothing
@@ehombane And currently a Volvo tractor on an abnormal load trailer will have bigger tanks which can take as much as 15 minutes to fill with diesel. On thing I wonder is whether they have powered the trailer wheels, and put a battery pack under the trailer. One of the German trailer manufacturers already manufactures special trailers for extra heavy loads which have a diesel with a generator at the back and multiple axles with electric motors. In 2019 I saw that Eddie Stobart Logistics in the UK had some new trailers which had electric motors and both batteries and solar panels on the roof. These motors provided extra power when starting off and climbing hills.
@@dzonikg The initial commentary is about racing. and for racing I have said that is a lot. In racing if I remember well tires are changed in seconds.
Also if I remember well, the actual swapping for some chinese comercial cars is done in 3 minutes. how much it just said in this video that is for this truck? So this is why I said that for racing 2 minutes is a lot.
i really do hope companies like tesla is testing this tech somewhere
Nice concept. Would be cool if they added a piezochromatic/smart glass film that can be either clear (driving) or matte (sleeping) using a small current instead of having to use curtains. Would add even more to the novelty factor.
I think that's a very expensive solution instead of just using a $50 wind screen sun reflector.
I believe the problem with those films is that they are fail-dangerous. They turn matte/translucent when no current is applied or they are broken.
and a stabilizer for the cup of tea :))
probably will come soon enough, they're clearly trying to get buyer feedback now, so great suggestion
curtains are also good for warmth though and that glass is phenomenally expensive.
Battery swapping & the development of a standard is the most important part of this video.
Revolutionise trucking by doing away with OTR trucking altogether, replace it with electric freight-rail and last-mile delivery. Road building and expansion, and road-repair is a huge CO2 producer everywhere.
Couldn't agree more.
You’re absolutely right, you see it work well in Europe, but you certainly don’t see the will or the mindset here in the states to see that happen. Pretty darn unfortunate for us and for the health of the only place that any of us have to live.
This beats all competition.
Finally. This could mean the end of those stinking and polluting diesels. Looks amazing. Well done.
And very noisy too.
Well said, brother!
We should get rid of stinking and annoying people.
slowly but steadily the world needs to move to EVs, hydrogen and other alternate fuels.
@@FowlorTheRooster1990 Slowly and steadily Lithium batteries are getting better, lasting longer, improving on recycling etc. Plus, there are newer technologies like the solid state batteries or the theoratical Quantum battery that lasts 100-500 years. I'm sure in the coming decades, Batteries will only improve. Gas powered cars were highly polluting at one point of time too.
Nice addition to the quiet revolution.
Very cool and futuristic looking! Love the clean-line design……..two thumbs up!
Another reason to love the Chinese.
More power to all these companies making Electric Buses and HGV trucks and smaller delivery vehicles.
Logistics changed massively as the number of lorries increased. Get it back on the railways.
Spot on 👍🏻
@It's not looking good No shit! Have you any idea how much could go back on rail; using the existing infrastructure? It makes sense environmentally.
@It's not looking good The "last mile" will always be by truck, but (for example) if you need to shift a lot of goods from the docks in Southampton, to London or Manchester or Edinburgh - it'd make loads more sense to do the bulk of the shifting on the rails, and have the lorries just do the last bit. Maybe make it a planning requirement that any new parcel delivery hub has a rail link, would be a sensible start.
Railways, trucks, drones, ground robots… they are all needed. ‘horses for courses’ type thinking
@@conventionalwisdom Yes, all options ought to remain open. Far too much was moved onto the roads, back when environmental impacts were not considered.
Yay for trucking, but I've gotta say, the Tiny House enthusiast in me is going phwooaaarr!
wow that really looks like everything Telsa displayed - they are amazing
So cool, inside and out .... the battery swapping does it for me. If they can nail that, would be great. Imagine a logistics network that enabled swapping at every stop point
I somehow prefer German idea of pantographs along parts of the route. Can recharge on the go.
Hopefully they are set up for the trucks to take multiple packs. They are bound to have packs in use that have been pushed past their recommended service life. Good to have a backup for when one fails by surprise.
@@jur4x interesting, thanks
Great seeing Elliot's back!
That truck has what I see the truck drivers from the northern China doing when they are waiting for their load for up to a week. They are cooking, washing their clothes, watching TV inside or outside of their trucks. They have a Honda generator and a window A/C unit, a small washing machine and a hot plate.
And sometimes when they are stuck in traffic
Nice job, and definitely a potential EV truck for the future. Just one little point, there remains the tendency to see these vehicle as competition for Tesla, which in part they are, but more importantly they are serious competition for the existing fleet of ICE powered vehicles, that’s the true impact of competition. Fascinating to see the excellent material you are showcasing from China. Can’t wait for it to be available here.
They are not serious competition for ice vehicles.... Not until something better and cheaper than lithium comes along.
Even the best lithium batteries are 20X the weight of diesel. To pull a 30 ton artic 1,000 miles uses 200kg of diesel, that would be 4 tons of batteries, that is just not going to happen.
Tesla sells cars because it is a niche market, same as Ferrari sells cars.... Ferrari doesn't make trucks because that is not it's market, Tesla and this company wont be selling any trucks.
Thanks Elliot. Great show from my favorite fully charged reporter.
It's like the real world equivalent of the robotnik truck from the sonic film
Cool concept, will be interesting to see how much of this actually makes production and how many battery swap locations actually go into service, that alone could make or break the entire idea of BEV long haul trucks.
I think it will be another decade before BEV trucks will actually be able to do long haul trips. All electric trucks are lower range, and also not yet being mass manufactured yet.
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@@dannytadashi4235
In 5-10 years, Chinese automakers will be a large chunk of the EV market around the world. The ICE automakers gave up on EVs decades ago, giving China the golden opportunity to leapfrog into the lead. China made the better decisions.
@@AWildBard exactly and Chinese are the smart one ☝️😀🇨🇳🇨🇳
Mechanic fee for repairs
Elliot, logistics is actually the mathematics behind the science of transportation, stock control, shelving layout, sourcing, manufacture, sales, packaging and resources; amongst many other things as well. Trucks are simply one of the resources used to fullfill supply chain and sales logistics.
So, do you store the snow chains in the washing machine?
Battery swapping makes so much sense for HGVs. I'd imagine they could have several smaller standardized battery packs which could be swapped out and added depending on the range and load of the trip and 3rd party swapping stations along routes. It's great that the government is seriously pushing ahead for battery swapping standardization for trucks.
As an ageing truck driver I can say with total certainty these will never be spec'd up by customers with a panoramic roof, a washing machine, a shower, or a toilet in it, either China or Europe! Companies just won't pay for it... The technology has been around for these luxuries for years, but freight companies don't care that much about their drivers, and the cost would be passed onto their customers who also won't want to pay for it, sorry. Its nice to dream though...
The best person to review this electric truck is a Polish truck owner-operator in Europe who owns a Volvo (diesel) and has a YT channel about her trucking life. She would definitely be able to offer some practical insights into operating this truck. Her name is Iwona Blecharczyk and does a good job of describing trucks and her trucking life.
Or any of the other millions of truckers on youtube
Plenty of truckies in China and nearby countries for advice but for Japan market it would have to be a toilet with music and warm water sprays.......big markets in middle east but I guess belt and road is going to connect everyone by rail.
I sincerely hope Farizon keeps this model as it is during the full production stage, any changes and basically you end up looking the same as any other truck on the road.
Would that panoramic glass roof not be a problem when driving at night under motorway lighting? Flash flash flash flash...
And in the blazing sun as well
I have a panoramic roof on my car. I close it off in the sun. It's took much. I use it on dull, rainy days. It looks nice and let's in a bit more light.
Great to see another promising heavy concept truck. Esp. the Chinese battery swapping is far more developed than anywhere else in the world. I know of a small concept project by some German engineers. Nothing in big scale yet.
Quite funny to see Jack's presentation of the VW e-Bully (the hopefully-to-come campervan) directly before this episode, showing a vehicle with exactly these camper qualities, though for quite a different purpose. 😁
But hey, since truck drivers are missing so badly, at least in the western hemisphere, this could push attractivity of the job much.
Of course shifting cargo transport from street to rail should be the main goal, but the remaining rest will be gigantic nevertheless and needs shift to sustainability as well.
Personally, I favour the pure battery concept, but sustainability must improve beyond the interior both for BEV and fuel cell (battery resources, esp. from China, green H2,...).
So finally, nice presentation, thanks Eliot and team! 👍
Great update and good to see some input from the Asian region. Vietnam awaits? A big takeaway from this is that the battery swap approach is becoming the medium term preferred approach for heavy vehicle range without too much down time and without the high capital requirements for megawatt class charging.
I'd like to see the trailer axles articulate to make tighter turn and ease parking.
wow, this thing is awesome, looks like something from a sci-fi movies, great concept, can't wait to see it on the road.
Great to see companies and governments working together to improve our environment and working conditions.
And best of all is you dont have to choose one or the other. You can have both.
Not sure why the tractor is carrying the trailer when we move to this level of technology. If the tractor towed the trailer then it would have fewer weight restrictions and be able to dramatically increase the number of batteries in the tractor and dramatically increase the load in the trailer. More wheels on the road of course though weight further spread and shared resulting in less wear and tear. Battery swapping might get down to an automated minute and straight out and in through the front of the truck. Great to see and many thanks for the presentation it appears that China is a world leader in the right direction for the trucking industry.
That's incredible! Thanks for sharing!
more stunning videos about CHina evs
love that concept..
Really like to see how China is pushing forward and leading with vehicles like this. I really hope it convinces Murican manufactures to make the switch too.
Murican truck drivers don't even like auto transmissions, they don't want the mandatory systems that reduce emissions, they like loud exhausts. Do you think that they will accept this kind of trucks?
They will start moaning for everything in this kind of trucks.
I like the inovations that china has with EVs, But I hate to see the rest of the world just buying into their products with 0 blowback for their treatment of muslims in their country and other human rights violations. Violations that honestly are not acceptable with western countries. Yet China is being welcomed in with no criticism.
I dont approve and seriously dont want China effectively taking over with their serious social problems.
@@joshuakhaos4451 If anybody thinks the same way I don't think that anybody would buy anything from some countries. To be honest, I don't think that anybody cares when it's time to pay the bill, especially when the numbers are over 5 or 6 digits.
@@joshuakhaos4451 I'm still waiting for evidence of mistreatment of Muslims In China, they shouldn't mislead people with witnesses statements from separatists and pass it of as facts. If you care for Muslims maybe don't support the EU or the 5 eyes alliance as we kill them by the millions
That's perfect for a multi-day cargo delivery truck. The only thing missing is an entertainment center for when the truck needs to be recharged and for rest stops.
I ask the same question as those folks years ago......Do we really Need a faster horse, or do we need something completely different?
I'm asking this now because I question the need to haul freight over long distances in trucks or something else? Like a rail or maglev train?
Then when that freight gets to its geographical area, have much more efficient vehicles take it the last 100 miles or? to its final destination?
Got to be a better way to haul huge quantities of "stuff" all over the country in relatively old technology. It works. A model T works, but is it the best that can be done?
We definitely need to get as much freight off of long distance truck trips and into grid connected electric trains as possible, but I think that long distance trucks aren't going to completely go away.
You would need a lot of train tracks to get goods within 100 miles of everyone in every country?
Also Trucks can go places where trains can't easily go
Electric quadcopter (maybe octocopter) public transport is what I'd like to see!
Ok. I can see they are not kidding about the belt and road initiative: how many of these trucks will be running logistics between China and Europe/Africa in the future?
I'm a bit sceptical about battery swapping for cars but in a truck it makes perfect sense. Dare I say it, as a Tesla enthusiast, Musk could learn a thing or from what Farizon are planning as the Tesla Semi is suddenly not looking as good. I really hope this concept gets on the road without too many compromises.
Great concept, it would be great for long haul here in AUS but it will take a lot of convincing to take our truckies away from their diesel.
It's not up to the driver to decide
I drive lorries for a living. Would be delighted not to be driving a diesel powered vehicle. Noisy and smelly. Roll on fully electric.
When you can die in the outback due to breakdown , you would be very conservative to. Also 'roo strikes, how would you mount a bull bar?
@@nuchtom Where is the extra electricty coming from? This is 1 question that get a full load of BS. Ihave never had a straight answer yet.
As an HGV driver, here is my opinion.
Truck stops have showers, why carry it with you? Pointless.
Washing machine, I'd rather have a microwave oven. I can bring enough clean clothes with me, but having warm food is very nice.
Sink outside? Why? Also, every job has tools. You need storage for them. So instead of the sink outside, have a storage box on the drivers side.
Toilet inside. I can piss standing, and for poo, I really don't want to live in the same space with it. Instead of the toilet, I'd rather have a fridge. Also truck stops, warehouses, factories, they all have toilets.
Cloth surfaces. This is a dirty job. Mud, salt from the road, grease from the saddle/trailer/suzies, cleaning it would be a nightmare.
Panoramic roof. I really hope you can cover it up well. It would be really disturbing while driving. And the sun can blind you. It would be nice while resting though.
Finally someone who makes sense .... im not a truck driver but i share your opinion , in the west both toilet and showers are available at the truck stops .
Maybe it makes more sense in China , i have been at a few truck stops on the highways in China and although they do have toilets, my experience is that they are dirty and badly maintained and i doubt most have showers .
I love it. Even if it doesn’t make it as a truck the home trailers would lap it right up!
It seems good.. I wonder if that truck will be able to use a normal trailer. I can't see the thing being useful unless it can use existing equipment.
Op a normal trl loaded will drain the battery in no time . Iam saying this as a truck driver the number don’t match seems easy with an empty trl
Need articulating pivot. Center trailor wheels some with load logic.
Indeed innovative and enthusing. Thanks
Speaking from CDL Truck Driver ~400k miles of experience, this thing is a dream and I would love to pilot one! I now drive a Model Y full time and am patiently awaiting the electric trucks. The soonest I can get in one, the better.
what kine of unit is "kilohour"?
My grandfather used to drive those old trucks that didnt have a door or proper seats
I really like how you said thinking beyond the metal box that people are used to. It's time for innovation and the old ice car companies are not getting it.
Looks very futuristic.
Wasn’t expecting too much from this - but there’s some amazing ideas and tech in this!
Wow....a box that unfolds into a table
Amazing design and I bet truck drivers would love it
The future of trucking is going back to railways. It's the most sustainable, fastest, and efficient option.
But this is a neat kinda romantic nomadic concept.
Long term it's cheaper for countries to build out rail infrastructure than to keep subsidizing the trucking industry with citizen tax money via road repair and direct subsidies to oil companies.
Big long haul trucks are a waste of resources and human value. Truck deliveries should be limited to the last 10 miles.
Very nice. Unless your village has no rail connection.
Where did you see that? With newest Just In Time logistics trains can not deliver in time, it is more cost effective for companies to have zero reserves in their warehouses and get the merchandise right at the moment the shelf gets empty. There are no rails everywhere, so you have to use trucks to make the delivery.
What is the load capacity of this. With the large battery weight this eats into the load capacity.
Of course it's quiet. It's doing 3mph.!
How even more amazing would it be, when all the surface on that truck was covered with solar pannels, like the SION from Sono Motors . . . . 😎
Sides can be used as ads. That makes more money than solar.
if you have battery swapping, you're better to have the solar panels there where they are always in the sun and reducing the weight you are hauling around.
@@rubikfan1 That can be, do you have any research on that? The cost of puting adds on the truck versus the proven income?
On the Sion and the Aptera cars they use innovative kind of solar foils that weigh very little and add a lot of kW. And trucks have a huge surface.
@@BMWHP2 but it will still be cheaper and more effective to have cheap panels, located at the correct orientation in an always sunny location. adding cost and complexity to the vehicle (which has a short lifespan and gets damaged etc) isn't the most efficient. also the aptera etc their panels are not as good as static panels and it relies on the fact that most of the time cars are sitting around unused, not true with trucks.
@@mralistair737 Exactly. Also, as someone often walking along White Cliffs of Dover and watching the port from above, I can point out one thing - trailer roofs are always white, regardless of their sides. Why? to reflect sunlight and not overheat the cargo. Especially true for refrigerators - those usually are fully white with just few logos on the side.
And before anyone says put solar panels on refrigerators to power them, I'll point out that if it was enough, they would not require those industrial sockets on the ferries - regular socket would be enough. 16m long 2.5m trailer has roof area of about 40m sq. That would fit 6.4KW of solar. Set flat, somewhere in Belgium, that would produce about 30KWh in June, provided those are perfectly exposed (which they are not while traveling through tunnels, under bridges or being parked next to tall building). 30/24=1.25KW More energy would be wasted hauling extra weight and dispersing extra heat from roof being dark.
Just found out that 40ft refrigerated container requires 6 to 9KW. That's a lot of panels that better be located at the depot's roof. Pointing towards sun as much as possible and not having to deal with road dirt.
Great video mate
I would be verry happy about getting to know in wich konfiguration the motors and batterys are installed and working.
I believe hard bodied trailers, like the one in this video, would be a great place to put a load of those very thin stick on solar panels like the ones you see on the solar aeroplanes.
I know they wouldn't charge the batteries up much but any advantage is still an advantage.
The only downside I can see, other than the added weight, is the fact that in the UK most of the trailers are curtain sided and the solar panels are not flexible enough.
I love the idea of swappable batteries.
Fork lift trucks and ride on pallet trucks etc have had swappable batteries for decades.
If you have an internal fleet of lorries I believe swappable batteries would be best.
What I mean about an internal fleet is - a fleet of lorries that are used to move products purely from one depot to another within the same company.
Supermarket chains have big distribution depots where the individual items are delivered in bulk then shipped out in smaller quantities to the stores.
Where there is room, these stores could have a battery swapping area that the driver/store person could use to swap the batteries whilst being unloaded/loaded.
Eddie Stobart is such a big company that they have their own yards to park their lorries so could easily swap batteries out.
I personally don't like sunroof's in cars let alone the panoramic ones.
If there is no blind to block out the light how is the driver supposed to sleep, especially during the day?
Whilst the idea of making a driver's life as comfortable as possible is a great idea there is a drawback unfortunately.
The more items you put in the cab the LOWER the carrying capacity of the truck becomes.
In the UK there is a maximum weight to the trucks, 40 tons for 5 axle and 44 tons for 6 axle trucks.
I know the items individually don't weigh that much but combined they add up.
1,000 litres of water weighs approximately 1 ton (1,000kg).
Depending on the shower, the average 10 minute shower uses between 120 and 150 litres of water.
That's 120-150kgs of water per shower.
How much for the washing machine?
Yes, make things for the driver as comfortable as possible but that is why services have showers and mirrors to use to have a shave etc.
Driving 50-60 hours per week in the UK is illegal I believe.
Also in Europe.
I'm not 100% sure about this but I believe it is about 45 hours on average on a 2-3 week rolling basis, I think.
Someone will no doubt correct me.
MOST of the trailers on UK roads are actually Reefers.
The very things literally keeping everyone alive !!
And YES, companies ARE trialing solar roofs etc on the trailers including our own company which is one of the biggest in Europe.
What a great truck, thank you Elliot 🥳🥳👏🏻
Very impressed!
Wow I would call this state of art
Great video. Nice to see another excellent one from Elliot. I like the detail lifestyle attention to the driver[s]. I magine that a truck like this could be at the head of a convoy, where the following trucks would be self-driving. One small thing. One of the several reasons why drivers are leaving trucking is that they want to be home at the end of the day. In many situations this can be achieved by just swapping loads, so that a driver operates over a shorter distance. Hands off a load and picks up another coming in the opposite direction to the return depot. Over very long distances it works like links in a chain. Plus, of course, the truck is not required to have an immensely long range. Just enough for one out and charge, or one out/in and charge, journey. A BEV truck could do that pretty damn easily right now. With the coming of longer range trucks, like the Tesla Semi, this becomes a proper doddle.
Why couldnt they fill the roof of the cab and trailer with solar pannels to help in charging giving more range ????
Because at best that's 35KWh per day in June/July (in Northern hemisphere) per day. Trucks require way more power per kilometre than cars. So those 35 turn into a dozen km. While every extra kg of weight of a trailer takes away from cargo capacity. Modern trailers are made as light as possible so that out of those 44000kg of maximum weight cargo uses as much as possible. Sometimes even 200kg might be the difference between having to split cargo in two vehicles or sending it in one piece.
In cars, it is very difficult to exceed maximum allowed weight, since you don't have enough space for that much cargo. Commercial vehicles, on the other hand, can be on edge, while still having a lot of empty space.
Besides, roof on a trailer sometimes has to be opened, which is done by moving all the tarpaulin (canvas) to one end. While flexible solar panel exist, they are not flexible enough. And lack efficiency of rigid panels.
Absolutely amazing 😊
the problem with battery swapping is you need double the batteries, there already is a shortage on batteries as it is.
Why add to this problem when charging can be done when stopping every couple hours of driving?
battery swap for Truck makes much sense.
A much larger kWh is being "switched" for a same given swaping time (compared to Nio's)
Interesting video, but the presenter seems a bit nervous, and kind of floats through the presentation without actually thinking too much about what he's saying. Why does he think the most important thing is the few bits of wood & fabric in the cabin (within a huge hunk of metal & plastic), and then later says the best thing is the home part of the truck? Also, since when has trucking been called "logistics"? Logistics is the process of organizing operations, which can apply to many different businesses, not just trucking. Contrary to what he says near the start there have been many huge changes in logistics over the past hundred years. Also, at 15:30 it would make more sense if what he said was the other way around (i.e. "not only does this have to be built for distance, but durability aswell"). It would have been nice to see the inside of the trailer aswell, as I imagine that is also quite important for any truckers watching this, and why not introduce the driver instead of keeping him off camera?
Sorry to be picky, I realise you like to lay on the positivity & superlatives on this channel, but perhaps my feedback can be taken as constructive criticism.
Love to see this!
Always good Stuff
Where do you put the paperwork. Bills of Lading etc. problem with volvo 760 etc , 2nd generation, there is no place for paperwork.
Compared with the Tesla semi, this electric truck appears to have a huge battery pack. Wonder if the range is much better than the Tesla semi?
Looks great, but what's the weight of the battery needed to provide a decent range? I've seen various analyses which show that it has to be so heavy that it seriously hinders the weight the trucks can carry, which is one of the most important factors for logistics companies.
Getting busy on the back of an envelope I came up with these numbers:-
Engine + Gearbox + 1500L fuel tanks removed saves 2300Kg. Equivalent 1400nm replacement motors 100Kg (ignoring gearboxes that may be needed to get 40 ton truck from 0 to 100kph). Gives you a possible battery weight of 2195Kg.
At cutting edge battery density that's 578KWhr of capacity. Using the target efficiency suggested in the video of 1.4KWhr / km gives a range (without making the truck any heavier / not reducing its payload) of 412km. Currently available charge rates of 360KW that would take 96 minutes to recharge. Every extra 1000Kg of battery would give an extra 188Km of range.
All that space on the trailer how about solar on the roof plug and play when connected up🙂
Hmm I'm wondering where is the space for stuff like washer liquid (at least 5 x 5L as boss won't pay for buing it on gas station), chains, bunch of usefull tools, etc. It usually takes big chunk of space in place where now the washing machine is.
Farizon is a brand under Geely Commercial Auto. Wonder if there be a VOLVO version of this Homtruck. Can’t imagine US will allow a Chinese EV on american road, but a VOLVO may be ok.
I saw another video showing the production version, shower, bed, washing machine, cooktop and toilet are all kept, but all inside the side camera (two lenses) monitors moved to higher position. Think there is front and rear looking down cameras too.
Saw another Farizon prototype truck with no driver.
How exactly does the LED light show and Blade Runner wheels make it a BETTER VEHICLE ???? What is their actual FUNCTION ?
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AWESOME !!!
They are certainly thinking about driver comfort, I love the idea of a cassette toilet. I would be interested in the power output for the Canadian market? I used to run 15 - 18 litre Diesel’s and heavy long distance load capabilities are very important. Don’t like the idea of a panoramic roof, too much heat in the summer and too much light for sleeping during the day. Also what is the plan for reefer loads? Will they electrify the trailer or SeaCan?
It isn:t a casset toilet, but a Chinese ripoff of a 100 euro Thetford porta potti.
@@ForeverNeverwhere1 what is a thetford porta potty? I’ve only seen cassette toilets while in Australia, here we use Black tanks and empty them at dump stations.
Looks Awesome. I would like to see how it fits into a dock door
Wonder if team driving is the norm there. The bed and shower are useful, but they'll need to add some setup for draining and filling the water tanks.
The little portable toilet was a nice thought, although just kind of thrown in there... Definitely be better if they had a urinal type pullout in the shower area. Lot better than than a bottle....
Shape of this truck makes much more sense in Europe then Tesla’s American style.
14:40 you say no other truck has OTA updates at the moment is incorrect. For example Volvo and Mack has them for their HD range to upgrade new features, software campaigns etc.
How about an inflatable tapering bubble on the back to minimize aerodynamic drag
Will its monthly payment cost cheaper to rent than most one bedroom apartments?
Can it tow or take standard ship cargo containers instead of the big plastic one in this media?
Love your work 👍
It's viable in China coz the charging infrastructure is already there.
Thought it unusual that the acess to the wheels are covered. Think important that wheels are checked regularly.
They should have installed a washer dryer powered by movement of the truck wheels.. or the wheel closest to the big black disc on the side of the truck
Ryanair: quick write all this down! Imagine the passengers we can fit in the trailer!
Ryanair is a good airline, there I said it.
Where does the shipping container go?
This would make a Class A trailer home/ RV.
Great looking concept and I hope they make it. Surely the trailer roof needs covering in PV panel's. I know it couldn't be done with some trailer types when you can why not?
If they will ever really make it, only the exterior will actually look like advertised. (until it falls off of course)
04:13 -- "They haven't said anything about the battery..." and for good reason. *GVWR* - The maximum legal weight for a fully loaded semi-tractor in the United States is 80,000 pounds. The unladen weight of an interstate semi-tractor with an empty 53 foot trailer is about 35,000 pounds, leaving 45,000 pounds for cargo. A battery pack with enough energy for long haul trucking would easily weigh as much as the entire tractor and trailer, *leaving precious little for cargo*