I always see the primarchs as mirrors and counters to more than one of their brothers. Ferrus manus and vulcan were also great engineers. And yes Perturabo and Robute were empire builders but Horus also was a terrific politician which is also capable of building an empire. The same can be said about the khan, curze and corax. All used hit and run tactics. But all in their own way.
Lord Admiral Spire Iton Warriors are too malevolent for my taste, even more than Word Bearers. And Lorgar actually had a decent reason to rebel unlike Perty the whining bitch.
Iron Warriors Marine: Hey, so nice to finally meet you, father... Perturabo: Get into lines of ten and kill the tenth guy in the line. Iron Warriors Marine: Wait what?
This was done in the roman army to find a way to punish legions who were guilty of very bad crimes of war, without having to execute every one of them. Just 1 out of 10 would get killed and likely it would be the worst guy in that group of 10 according to the group itself. I imagine theyd be like "yeah frank is the worst one of us all, we choose you to die frank, and we arent sorry bc ur a pos and make us all look bad."
From Iron cometh Strength From Strength cometh Will From Will cometh Faith From Faith cometh Honour From Honour cometh Iron This is the unbreakable litany, may it forever be so
I had thought of the night lords as my favourite traitor legion, their sheer sadistic efficiency made them unusual amongst the traitors. But the Iron Warriors have taken the spot. They're almost like the working class of the Astartes- uncared for by their betters, forgotten and accepted as merely expendable manpower to do the dirty work. All they have left to fuel them is their iron will, and I respect and identify with them. If I were to be an Astartes, I'd want to be an iron warrior before anything else. *Iron within. Iron without.*
Not even their Traitor allies would respect the poor Fourth. When digging the trenches at Istvaan V, an Emperor's Children remarked to a Son of Horus, "why aren't we making the Iron Warriors do this?" No thanks for a thankless job, such is their lot in life
At long last, my favorite traitor legion. Unlike the fools that actually worship those four reality tumors, they still take this war seriously. Then again, they take everything way too seriously.
The Word Bearers are the only group that poses a legitimate threat to the Imperium, due to knowing every syllable of the Imperial Book of Religion. They can and will incite a civil war.
@@bryanbarcelo5440 Good point that ol Pert never considered it wasn't just him that went unnocticed. Not sure if the Khan ever cared about being on the sidelines, but Magnus definitely resented being singled out for being a Psyker and Konrad despised the hypocrisy of everyone calling him a monster when he was doing to messy jobs The Emperor would never send the "Proper" Legions to do. Alpharius also got treated like crap because of his subtle way of waging war (though as with everything involving the Alpha Legion, whether he genuinely resented being unnoticed or this was a cover for one of his plans, we don't know.) Perturabo and the Iron Warrior's fates would have been far better if he just learned a little empathy for once.
Perturabo's issue was that for all his talents, he had little actual understanding of people. He could build the perfect system, but he neglected the people who had to go into that system. His own homeworld rebelled because his way of war took entire generations due to having to sustain such rapid recruitment. The Black Judges used to take dozens every few generations, Perturabo took HUNDREDS in a year. His justification was that those he took were HEROES not fodder. But he treated them like fodder and didn't even have the decency to thank them for their sacrifices. And when a delegation from Olympia was sent to speak to him, he slaughtered them. Everything was black and white with him, to the point of being unreasonable. He's an unbalanced Guilliman. He's a multifaceted individual with talents that go beyond war but he has none of the realism and maturity.
@@magnusthered5994 To extent, the Lion wasn't good with people but he was also self aware enough to know that and he understood the value of such things. Perturabo disregarded it entirely until it boiled over. I also make the connection to Guilliman because both are Primarchs who are concerned which more than just war. The difference was that Guilliman was always doing more than just war and preparing for the day when the wars would be over and you had to focus on maintaining worlds, people and culture. Perturabo wanted to build, he wanted to contribute to art and philosophy. He wanted to add to culture. But more importantly, he wanted to be thanked. He wanted to be loved. But, ironically, he pushed away all the people who would have loved him (his adopted family). Ultimately, you could compare Perturabo to several of his brothers but it all comes back to the same: Perturabo just didn't have the personal fortitude to endure. Everything rankled his pride or shamed him and due to his personality, he had no close to help shore that flaw up. All he ever had was his fragile pride. Just my thoughts.
TresBS1 Well I think that Lion’s loyalty was fragile throughout the Heresy and even before it like Perturabo, but unlike Perty Lion didn’t have a massive daddy complex. Also, Lion was a man of war and nothing else. Overall Sanguinius seems to be the best out of the bunch.
Hector Andem He is unbalanced but in a positive manner. He has great Administration skills and his combat skills are underrated but he isn’t the best commander of fighting men. His approach to war is very bookish and too structured. He would’ve been a great general if his enemies were orthodox and traditional, but he’s against Great minds like Horus, Fulgrim and Konrad Curze .
Was listening to "salve Regina" in Latin gregorian chant then lo and behold the god emperor send me his piece of wisdom and his protection Ave imperator! Ave lord baldemort!
The great thing about the Iron Cage was that no matter how it turned out once the Fists had decided to crack it the Iron Warriors had already won. If the Fists attack and fail to break through, great, proves they were better than those braggarts at siegecraft _and_ fortifications. But the way it really went down was far better. The Fists got to experience the constant grinding misery of siege warfare in order to finally break through, and suffer horrendous losses in the process, and after all that pain and misery and sacrifice what do they have to show for it? Nothing. I can just imagine the smug, spiteful daemonic Perturabo walking up to the battered and drained Dorn and whispering in his ear "How does it feel?" Ironically there was one way the Fists could have won, not only negating the intended goal of the Iron Cage in bleeding them white, but in demonstrating a kind of low-key strength that the Iron Warriors never understood. The strength to say no. After all it was an obvious trap, and would require multiple legions to effectively crack open, and that spiteful c**t Perturabo was almost certainly not in the centre of it. Better to leave them all guarding it like a prison of their own making than have them rampaging around the Imperium. The only legion who would willingly throw away their lives for no good cause was one that was too weak to face the fact of their own basic needs as human beings, like the Iron Warriors.
I think many misunderstand why the Iron Cage was undertaken. Dorn was insane with fury at his own failure to protect his father. He did not seek to win, to contain the Iron Warriors, or to even show strength. He sought exclusively, to the detriment of his legion and himself, to kill traitors. Of course it was a trap. The Fists went into it anyway, because it meant being able to kill traitors. Of course Perturabo wasn't there. But there were traitors there, and they needed to be killed. Of course it would cost hundreds of space marines to kill those traitors. But no sacrifice was deemed unacceptable if it meant killing more traitors. Others may claim that nothing was gained from entering the Iron Cage, but the Fists will point to the dead traitors and be happy with that. This is why the Fists led the scouring, why the Fists went wherever there were traitors, wherever the fighting was thickest, and killed them. In time immemorial both the Fists and Ultramarines accepted the walking dead from the two missing legions. But after the scouring the Ultramarines alone accepted loyalists from the traitor legions. Because until the Iron Cage the Fists were inconsolably mad with rage, and even after the Iron Cage those Fists who were completely unable to go back to normal were split off into their own chapter, the Black Templars, and sent out into the galaxy to continue the great work of killing traitors.
@@ZeroNumerous Of course, it does not matter, given that 70% of the legion is gone, because the fists are always immersed in glorious dreams full of honor and pride.
@@ZeroNumerous The thing is, this underplays it a bit and making it seem more akin to an intended outcome, well yes one could argue that considering the stakes and emotional wreckage that dorn himself was certainly affected by. Emotional distability that mr peter turbo over here use very much so to his advantage, branching off from the main comment Yes, the only way they could've won was by literally just saying No and leaving them be yet they charged, because Peturabo knows Dorn couldn't simply just say no, not without dorn's pride being at stake and especially not after dorn himself announcing that "He would haul Perturabo back to terra in an iron cage" Now I ask you this would that proclamation, that statement would be spoken out so loudly by someone _not_ intending to win? Besides even if it was a lie that couldn't simply be considering what Alpharius said about dorn and the fact that the man "Never lies" besides his stubborness as well. It's practically nigh impossible, the breaking of the emperor might've even driven him to be more stubborn and defiant to catch this petulant man child and his barely notable legion. Now, given what we know of dorn, is he _really_ the type to give up in such a way
Honestly, Iron Warriors and the Alpha Legion are my favorite traitors. Iron Warriors for just spitting in the face of the chaos gods and going " No. I don't need your help, filth. " and Alpha Legion for their: " Victory at any cost. Even being called traitors. "
This is what I was looking for... When Barbaras Dantioch gets "Hrudded" (hit with an aging energy from the Hrudd) and Perturabo makes fun of him, strips him of his rank, exiles him... And Dantioch, looking all old and shriveled up... Just carries on as a leader and warsmith, and still kind of admires Perturabo...!!! Iron within, Iron without...
he actually questioned pertys way of fighting the hrud, which wasn’t very good, as they just bum rushed in, which was a very reasonable question, to barnabys credit
Ill be honest, the Iron Warriors are by far my favorite Traitor Astartes Legion, the reason they rebelled was well justified, and they look friggin amazing! They dont worship any chaos god which keeps them looking like just renegade astartes with some twisted parts here and there...nothing over the top like bloated ugly bellies of the death guard or weird symbols and tattoes like slaanesh or tzeench followers They are the type of villains you kinda feel bad for. Kinda wish they stayed loyal and swapped places with the Iron Hands. But oh well
I like to personally think that Perturabo didn’t actually become a Daemon prince, but used the sacrificed gene seed to “trick” the chaos gods into giving him power he used to siphon into a powered suit, making it basically a super obliterator. Think it fits his character more ;)
I love them, they are the cold and emotionless counterpart to our firebrand religious fervor. Two sides to the same scorned and tossed aside Imperial coin.
The Iron Warriors were wasted on the tasks assigned to them, as was Perturabo for being made a warlord instead of an inventor. Both could have been so much more. So much better.
@@funnycreature2331 That is not representative of anything. Perturabo was brought before the Tyrant-King of a military state and asked to make himself useful. Of course he would forge a sword. What else could they have so easily judged? Dammekos may have liked Perturabo in his own way, but make no mistake; he tried to manipulate him from beginning to end. As for everything else, did you see any custom-made weapons in Perturabo's sanctum ever like with Vulcan? Models, yes. Drawings, yes. Gadgets, yes. Tools, certainly. No weapons. In his safe space, where no-one could judge him, Perturabo didn't make war. He chose peace. Why does everyone ignore that? His perfect world is Literally a peaceful, happy city. He can't lie inside his own head you know. He truly, deeply wanted peace. The only thing he wanted more than peace was to be useful, and both his dads were in need of generals. No more, No less. Being Perturabo, of course, he refused to compromise and then got angry when refusing to compromise made him miserable, passed blame on to anyone else, and basically was his own worst enemy. But he never wanted war. If there is one thing he is consistent with, it is that.
I'd like to think that the emperor would have let the primarchs do more than just war after conquering the galaxy, so they could expand the imperiums' culture to hights comparable to the zenith of humanity.
Iron Warriors are my favourite Chapter, especially the chunky Heresy-Era Astartes in their Mark III and Cataphractii armour. Love the aesthetic, the tactics, and Barbos Dantioch is an absolute chad.
I've always found the Iron Warriors interesting. I have just recently gotten into the table top game, something I credit towards you, and already my mind is racing with ideas. I intend to make a Homebrew Chapter with successors from Iron Warriors who remained Loyal, some people who are more knowledgeable of the lore assure me that it's plausible, and I can hardly wait to get started. I call them the Iron Souls, and their mantra is "No Redemption, Only Duty."
Welcome to the great game/hobby brother. You’ll love it! :). A good question. If Primaris? Doddle - Cawl lies to Roboute as we knew he would. If astartes? I definitely think that works. But at the end of the day, they will be YOUR army. You do your thing. :).
That's an interesting take, Iron Warriors being a Mirror to Ultramarines. But having a better understanding of their history makes sense as to why the Iron Warriors broke up into Warbands.
I've been waiting with bated breath for this day. The wonderful Baldermort presents the Iron Warriors. My favorite renegade the chapter, and the one chapter I confused with the Iron Hands when I got into 40K. I do hope you'll cover the Night Lords in the future as well, they're another renegade chapter I have a soft spot for. Thank you once again Balder!
Poor Perturabo, I don't think anybody appreciated him, including himself. Happiness comes from internal factors, not external ones. I have done humanitarian work in the Philippines, people as poor as imaginable yet happy with their families and farms. Maybe Perturabo should have spent a decade farming rice.
@Deathcoldan I've seen this countless of times, Im from the Philippines myself. The one's that show too much eagerness tend to take advantage, and the few that needed actual help the most are usually out of reach. Though all of them wishes no harm, they just (from what I usually see)hoped to have a better meal with your support that day/time. They wish no ill to anyone, because social pressure and/or labeling cuts deeper and leaves a lasting mark than the horrendous act they wish to do to someone.
@The serpent must die True, I should not paint everything as so. Though, I really wish they find peace in their hearts wishing not to inflict harm to others. Looking at our situation as it is, i really dont want furthermore tragedy adding to the list that's looking more negative than positive.
@@samaepl please do, only left about 100 who swore to Luther so... And believe you me, you would need several full companies (not petty warbands) to engage us because when we hunt the Fallen at least one full company with ravenwing and deathwing and several companies of successor chapters with Chapter Masters and maybe Interrogator Chaplain so... Listen to Baldemorts video Dark Angels - most effective Legion and you'll get the picture how we hunt. Who fucks IF, they are not Legion we have some strong bonds with except we are loyalist, tell me, when we had bromance with them? Lego builders and masochistic Legion (pain glove, khm khm). I'm OK with IW but have some issues with that traitor thing and Perturabo being cunt and all and Honsou etc.
@@RADINNS I feel bad for Dark angel fans. They like to pretend they can beat any other chapter but aren't as organized as ultramarines, as vicious as blood angels, they're second best at everything. His video was from their perspective, of course they got overhyped, its more fun that way
@@fiddlesticks7245 smurfs organized? No, just have more numbers, only cos we were sent, as 1st Legion, to deal with xenos noone knew shit about. That crusade (if you know of which one I'm talking about) cost us 50k battle brothers. That's how smurfs took over numbers. So, in your opinion, would big E risk his new Imperium and send multiple Legions or the ones which were with him from beginning (⚡ warriors excluded), the ones he knew the best and the ones who will finish the job. Lion>Girlyman in any way so... Its OK to dislike us but man, we r the first. Blood Angels, come on dude, don't insult my intelligence, vampires in disguise who get super natural abilities when they go berserk. Vicious??? We fucking annihilated whole xeno specie ffs just because big E said so. You got a lot to learn, we are breed for war, we can attack, defence, gore, doesn't matter, only thing matter is to get to get job done.
I find it funny that Warhammer could potentially be a funny sitcom about a dysfunctionally family and how their personalities were shaped by the varying foster homes they grew in. Perturabo would be the workaholic tech genius who pushes people away because he never learned how to socialize with others. If only someone could see through his cold and harsh facade there was a man longing for the love he heard in the works of fiction he read.
That decimation punishment was rough beyond belief. As a Roman history buff, I found it’s use not reasonable nor useful. It never brought loyalty but fear.
I just wanted to say, this has to be some of best work brother Baldermort. The audiodrama explaining the Decimation was one of the best bits of Great Crusade writing I think I've ever experienced, I loved that the Lieutenant was ultimately thankful for his decimation because the commander was right, he would not have had the stomach for what came next. Thank you for exploring one of the most important of all legions, as it is their fall that I think is most telling. The Iron Warriors more than anything fought the real Crusade: they're the ones storming the ramparts, taking the blows and never bowing to the foe. And yet, they fell. To me the Iron Warriors fall is one of the most tragic, as more than any of the heretic legions it is their blood that built the Imperium that they now seek to destroy. People see Perturabo and his sons as weak willed and have the gall to call them petulant! That couldn't be further from the truth, there is no force in the Imperium of the Great Crusade that sacrificed more than the Iron Warriors, and for their efforts and the efforts of their father they recieved nothing but scorn and not the respect they deserved.
IRON AND WRATH! BRING FORTH THE ARMORED THUNDER! LET THE STEEL LIGHTNING FALL UPON THEM! WAR COMES, IN FIRE, STORM AND RAGE! TREMBLE, FOR THE 4TH COMES FOR YOU! IRON AND WRATH!
When mentioning the Traitor Legions, it's said that 9 Legions sided with Horus. But 1/3 of the Traitor Legions were made up of Loyalist. So would it be safe to say that as far as numbers go the Traitors were fighting as 6 Legions with 9 Generals?
I was not a big fan of the iron warriors but this shows me that they are one that I would want on my side and to never make them feel as a tool or they will turn me into one.
This is great as always, and though I appreciate the attempt to make it cool, the decimation of the Iron Warriors will forever be the stupidest, most grimderp thing of the HH. He went from being a bright boy to a despot within one shuttle ride. On flight movie must have really sucked.
I personally decide to ignore the decimation. I love Peter and the iron warriors but it's hard to go into and focus on the turbo when he decides "hey let's just kill a large population on this stubborn and though weak currently, durable and strong legion, they deffenetly won't resent me or decide to assainate me after they decide that I shouldn't be in charge."
The iron warriors a legion who has known nothing pain and sacrifice brothers dying in the thousands they deserve more respect from the God emperor. I can get a better idea of why they turn traitors. All the pain and resentment with no respect for their sacrifice. Their story is truly fitting for grim darkness of the far future. Thank you brother Baldermort for honor these fallen heros and giving them the respect they deserve.
I found your channel the other week and I have been loving to been watch your work. While I don’t play the tabletop I’ve been loving the lore. Keep up the great work and you have more than earned my sub!
Can you imagine baldemort with his child at night? "Dad, can you read me a story?" Baldemort:"very well, gentle listener, i will be your humble servant for tonight, and i will tell you of a fairy tail as old as they may get, yet still beloved... the story of snow white"
Yet again Baldermort, you do one of my favourite legions justice! Splendid job sir, good form. Black Library really do need to pay heed and hire you for some audio books.
Brothers !!! IRON WITHIN !!!!!!! I have been waiting for this brother Baldermort, and as usual you more than surpass my expectations. Your the best and one of us, we won't forget it.
He saw humans. Above all, he saw humans. He saw unique, brilliant lives brimming with potential... and then he marched them off to the killing fields because the Imperium came first, emotions and guilt second. He was never a monster. It would have been far easier if he was though.
It is interesting to see how traitors like the iron warriors, word bearers, night lords, and world eaters have somehow passed on their rather negative traits to the imperium whole, to where even successor chapters are more like the traitors than their predecessors.
I like the Iron Warriors because they put hazard stripes on their shoulder pads. It's like they're saying "We may be villainous traitors that dabble with daemonic forces but we still going to comply with OSHA standards"
This was beautiful. The 4th are probably the most practical of the traitor forces. They use what they have and work efficiently. They don't mess around with ostentatious livery. A simple black and yellow chevron pattern as a warning to any that draw near. Grand, now I've the inspiration to paint up a small force of these walking weapons. Time to order fresh paint brushes...and more leadbelcher spray.
That the imperium lost such a great legion is a tragedy of Olympic proportions. What is even worse is how those they bemoan their dwindling knowledge and depleted numbers. So taken for granted were the Iron Warriors the Imperium does not even recognise they lost the only legion that could endure such a challenge. It is not difficult to imagine a certain Magos Dominus would seek to exploit such a stable genetic template if only he could!
"Iron Within, Iron Without" Such a simple yet profound description. But what no one seems to take into account, something that every single smith who's worked with iron, cast iron or cold forged iron, is that iron is brittle. No matter how hard you make iron if hit hard enough, if you strike it enough times...it...will...BREAK. The garrison duties, the bloody insurrections, the internecine rebellions. All in silent, uncomplaining muteness, because anything else would be "weakness". Instead of being tempered the Iron Warriors were hardened. Hardened again and again until all give, flexibility, dare I say "softness" was forged out of them. Until the day when the only one who could speak for them instead broke them with but a single word; decimation. Yes, the tale of the Iron Warriors is a tragic one, and their complaints and grudges are not without merit nor justification, but in the end they still broke. As all iron does when you hit it hard enough. "Iron Within, Iron Without"
Imperial Fists=the last defenders of Terra, golden boiz, the 2nd best golden host in the Imperium Iron Warriors=basically guardsmen but better armor and can dig trenches faster this post was made by independent researchers from Terra
@@lacarthcinclair5401 right lmaoo, i could only imagine that the black templars would be right on board with krieg astartes. Plus most of them are already about 15 when they first see combat so it could work and they are trained from birth to fight and die for the emperor. I honestly believe GW is just too lazy to do it.
These "Guardsmen" raped Imperial Fists so many times that those golden asslickers no longer exists for the most part and their Primarch is gone. Meanwhile Iron Bois are doing great. They are probably going to Hydra Cordatus for the third time cause Dorn Bois developed Stockholm syndrome there.
The best and the most interesting traitor legion as well as the primarch. Many say Parturabo was just bitter and spiteful but who wouldn't get upset, when nobody acknowledged the artistry of skill that one puts into their craftsmanship. I'd be upset as well. Not that I blame Dorn but occasionally diplomatic answers are just the best options.
Parturabo also called for his sons to brutally kill eachother just because he didn't think they were good enough. I don't think he has any right to feel bad about not getting a pat on the back.
@@no_one01-5 Literally a bunch of other legions did just fine without cracking their own heads lol. Actually many of them did better as now their traitors being the toys and puppets of Gods lol.
Well, there was this one fortress ,in a huge asteroid,i think? Where a company of LOYAL Iron warriors held off a army of heretical Iron Warriors and there allies, and the heretics had a imperator Titan, and yet the LOYAL warriors of Iron, held the fortress for a looooooong time,and they heretics lost the Titan as well. I think a few loyal Iron warriors made it out,the commander to,by teleporter.
The Silver Skulls are speculate by fans to be descendants of the Iron Warriors, despite officially being categorized as Ultramarine successors. This is due to a similarity in color scheme, chapter symbol and combat speciality (Siege warfare). Plus their gene-seed records are listed as being 'inconclusive' by the Adeptus Mechanicus and under investigation by the Ordo Hereticus. Heck, Sarah Cawkwell, author of the Silver Skulls book series, has stated that yes the chapter was founded by Barabas Dantioch's Iron Warriors, who were adopted by the Ultramarines.
Forgive me for being one of those guys. Have you ever thought about a video on the Tuchulcha Engine, Ouroboros, and the Plagueheart? I think they're *technically* more 30K than 40K, but are potentially important to the setting at large. I guess this also doubles as a reccomendation for a really neat little bit of lore if you, or anyone else, doesn't know what that is, especially if anyone is a fan of the deepest lore of the setting. While I'm at being obnoxious and asking for things, the Q'Orl should get a video, considering they are dozens of times larger and more relevant than the Tau (and the possible connection is delicious!), but are cursed with being the second race of bug-man-man-murderers in the galaxy and are thus doomed to obscurity.
Had the best ad break ever "as the younger astartes looked down, he said" *add break jingle with upbeat music* thankyou for being a friend *music continues* thankyou for being a friend* Was extremely confused but also very amused
Wonderful work as always, though to lean into your point about Perturabo being the mirror of Bobby G, I do recall that Roboute complained to the Emperor directly about Perturabo's use of decimation and seemed to indicate personal knowledge and the service records of some of the decimated showing that he cared more about his brother's men as men then he ever would.
NoTimeAllTime is definitely one take. I had another line on that. But Ultra fans begged me not to put out ‘Dark Prince’ so I canned it. They get enough of a kicking already. ;(. Poor fellas. :).
I disagree with you. Perturabo cared about his troops a lot as men. It's just that their worth was as nothing before the weight of responsibility. If by sacrificing thousands now he could save billions of Imperial lives by them crusading better? He'd do it all over again. A thoroughly logical trade.
One day, Perturabo shall come back and reforge the Iron Warriors into a legion once more. And that day, the Imperium of Man shall tremble in fear, to the sound of relentless, unstoppable tide of iron and blood.
Perturabo is most frequently compared to Dorn, but he has things in common with a few of his brothers: - He shares Dorn's stubbornness and affinity for architecture, both military and civil. - He devotes himself to crafting, enjoying the act of working metal just as much Vulkan. - He loves to read, like Magnus, and enjoys the study of history and the arts. - He shares Guilliman's love of statecraft, and dreamt of making Olympia a paradise for scholars and craftsmen. - He has a strong sense of justice and honour, like Curze, as well as a very changeable personality. If the Chaos Gods hadn't set Perturabo's personality off-kilter from the start, he could easily have been the greatest of his brothers... and yet he ended up joining the very beings who cursed and doomed him. That is one of the greatest tragedies - and ironies - of the 40k setting.
Perturabo digs holes. I thought this was funny before but now I get it, yes he kinda does. Magnus is a lot deeper than he appears, isn't he? Not to mention bloody hilarious.
I figure if I had to be a Chaos Marine, I'd rather be an Iron Warrior than any other. Man, I love me some War Machines. Not a giant Perturabo fan but they are a bitchin' army.
How the hell are you so god damn good? You are the best narrator that I have ever heard. I listen to historical podcasts every day and you could speak rings around anyone sir.
My friend to me: *"I want to paint my marines into iron warriors"* Me: "Why's that?" My friend to me: *"They have a pretty cool primarch"* Also me: "Who hurt you boy?"
If the Imperial Fists had been used for garrison duty and the Iron Warriors had been more upon the front line and got some more praise from Daddy Emperor, would they still have turned?
Phenomenal work, some of your best. Your greater use of your own description combined with excerpts from the lore was greatly appreciated. And the comparison between Guilliman and Perturabo makes a lot of sense.
@@baldermort The quoting is great, it is often the most direct way to portray a faction succinctly. Interspersing it with your own takes and mini conclusions not to mention your absolutely fantastic short narratives really give the whole video more life and personality. This video had one of your most perfect balances to date! And the underscoring of Perturabo's victory at the Siege was pure solid Iron! (Gold ;))
Kristian Kristiansen gotcha. Thanks for taking the time to explain your opinion brother. Very grateful, as always, brother. Thank you. :) :). (Credits done too. Yay!).
From Iron Cometh Strength From Strength Cometh Will From Will Cometh Faith From Faith Cometh Honor From Honor Cometh Victory From Victory Cometh Iron This is the Unbreakable Litany, May it Forever Be So. Iron within ... Iron without !
Good Sir, thank you. For all the fluff... all the pomp... While I adore and admire Daddy Dorn this fact does not tarnish his collosal achievement. You are the first to declare what we have all known.... Horus failed, the Hammer of Olympia did NOT, for the Sol system to the palace itself was breached..... Amazing vid, I almost shed a tear because of all the negativity hurled at the I.W. , but that's just jealousy rearing it's bitter head, muhahaha...... TTFN! Edit: (P.S. Wonder what the perfect legion combination would have been, the most complete... Fists/I.W. or Smurfs/I.W. or some other, what do you all think?)
I cannot believe you did that to me..... That last question is going to drive me nuts for months now. :) :) :) :) The only saving grace is we can change our minds. Sooo many good combos to be had. :) Iron! :)
Perturabo the engineer of War who wanted to be the architect of peace. His dreams called to him but he decided that the only way for him to be allowed to build in peace was to make peace, the only way to make peace was to end war and the only way to end war was to win.
Maybe? That might also be the Alpha Legion, though, since Iron Warriors were seen but not respected, while the Alpha Legion just wasn't seen, but has an encyclopedic knowledge of the entire rest of the class' names, strengths, weaknesses, and what their favorite drinks and colors are. Maybe also the White Scars, except they didn't really snap, and just ride dirtbikes after school. "Oh, and also the White Scars/Jaghatai Khan were there too, I guess" may as well be the chapter motto.
I find it strange that the fans of the imperial Fists decry the acts of Perturabo for his brutality towards his men, such as in his decimation. It’s strange because they will also argue that Dorn wasn’t equally at fault if not more so when it came to the iron cage. He fed his men into a meat grinder and refused to retreat when all logic would dictate that nothing was to be gained by continuing all for the purpose of... not feeling guilt. At least Perturabo done it to harden his legion, Dorn done it because he felt sad because the emperor almost died. Hypocrites. Iron Within brothers.
@@georgestauber2636 That's like saying "Oh Hitler attacked the Soviets in winter because He knows how much germany would technological advance in the future" You're simply spinning it too hard, And here I thought the Alpha legion was the liars, smh
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Baldy, dear sir excellent as always. Your content is splendid.
I always see the primarchs as mirrors and counters to more than one of their brothers.
Ferrus manus and vulcan were also great engineers. And yes Perturabo and Robute were empire builders but Horus also was a terrific politician which is also capable of building an empire.
The same can be said about the khan, curze and corax. All used hit and run tactics. But all in their own way.
Lord Askr. Was Perturabo really an empire builder.
Oh that was awesome. I enjoyed it!
@@abefroman8202 he has the skill to conquer, fortify and manage a territory. I would call that empire building. Not a nice way but the empire stands
Iron Warriors: "He never valued us."
Thunder Warriors: "... First time?"
normal astarties: care to make room
World Eaters: "Yeah, we know how that feels"
Lol
Lord Admiral Spire Iton Warriors are too malevolent for my taste, even more than Word Bearers. And Lorgar actually had a decent reason to rebel unlike Perty the whining bitch.
Humans within the imperium of man: ya know? Starting to notice a pattern her...
imperium: we just had to kill them for uhhhh... heresy, something.
Iron within, iron without. Iron within then you shake it all about.
LMAO
Brothah i am pinned here
The Perturabo Harlem Shake and Awe
Do the Perty Pokey and turn Iron Without. And that's what its all about.
**clap clap**
Baldermort’s grave stone will say just “End Quote.” Best 40k lore videos on the net, thank you!
Metal 🤘
Ok, that's good
Like it.
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I think it would say: "Make time for fun! Toodiloo!"
@@ARC1701A Just "Toodiloo"
Imperial fists: "Yey. Glory."
Iron Warriors: "WTF, I DID ALL THE WORK!!!"
Basically the quiet kids from school who followed every rule but were never considered.
Iron Warriors go into battle playing pumped up kicks
Iron Warriors Marine: Hey, so nice to finally meet you, father...
Perturabo: Get into lines of ten and kill the tenth guy in the line.
Iron Warriors Marine: Wait what?
Perturabo: DECIMATION!!!!!
This was done in the roman army to find a way to punish legions who were guilty of very bad crimes of war, without having to execute every one of them. Just 1 out of 10 would get killed and likely it would be the worst guy in that group of 10 according to the group itself. I imagine theyd be like "yeah frank is the worst one of us all, we choose you to die frank, and we arent sorry bc ur a pos and make us all look bad."
Not even regular killing either. They actually had to beat the 10th to death with their bare hands.
When all kindness is perceived as weakness, was there any alternative?
why The Black Library has not reached out to you with an invite to write with them is a mystery. You are a masterful storyteller, sir.
They are afraid of actual talent forcing them out
@@gidofter_lukge True
he at the very least should be doing their audiobooks
Or, at the very least, they could utilize is voice in their audio dramas.
Reading it out is very different to writing it
From Iron cometh Strength
From Strength cometh Will
From Will cometh Faith
From Faith cometh Honour
From Honour cometh Iron
This is the unbreakable litany, may it forever be so
May iron rust into oblivion in the name of the god emperor
the flesh is weak, iron is forever
Iron is weak, plastic is eternal.
Iron Within!
Traitors speak about honour and faith. The irony doesnt escape me.
"You have a shovel. Go dig a trench, loser."
"I DEMAND YOU TAKE ME SERIOUSLY!"
"No."
I had thought of the night lords as my favourite traitor legion, their sheer sadistic efficiency made them unusual amongst the traitors. But the Iron Warriors have taken the spot. They're almost like the working class of the Astartes- uncared for by their betters, forgotten and accepted as merely expendable manpower to do the dirty work. All they have left to fuel them is their iron will, and I respect and identify with them. If I were to be an Astartes, I'd want to be an iron warrior before anything else.
*Iron within. Iron without.*
Not even their Traitor allies would respect the poor Fourth. When digging the trenches at Istvaan V, an Emperor's Children remarked to a Son of Horus, "why aren't we making the Iron Warriors do this?"
No thanks for a thankless job, such is their lot in life
At long last, my favorite traitor legion.
Unlike the fools that actually worship those four reality tumors, they still take this war seriously.
Then again, they take everything way too seriously.
[Rogal Dawn] - yes.
The Word Bearers are the only group that poses a legitimate threat to the Imperium, due to knowing every syllable of the Imperial Book of Religion. They can and will incite a civil war.
@@bryanbarcelo5440 Good point that ol Pert never considered it wasn't just him that went unnocticed. Not sure if the Khan ever cared about being on the sidelines, but Magnus definitely resented being singled out for being a Psyker and Konrad despised the hypocrisy of everyone calling him a monster when he was doing to messy jobs The Emperor would never send the "Proper" Legions to do. Alpharius also got treated like crap because of his subtle way of waging war (though as with everything involving the Alpha Legion, whether he genuinely resented being unnoticed or this was a cover for one of his plans, we don't know.)
Perturabo and the Iron Warrior's fates would have been far better if he just learned a little empathy for once.
Iron Warriors did nothing wrong.
*Emperor's Children stopping to snort drugs through auxiliary nostrils* Wait, what war?! Nvm... *snoooooooort*
Perturabo's issue was that for all his talents, he had little actual understanding of people. He could build the perfect system, but he neglected the people who had to go into that system. His own homeworld rebelled because his way of war took entire generations due to having to sustain such rapid recruitment. The Black Judges used to take dozens every few generations, Perturabo took HUNDREDS in a year. His justification was that those he took were HEROES not fodder. But he treated them like fodder and didn't even have the decency to thank them for their sacrifices. And when a delegation from Olympia was sent to speak to him, he slaughtered them. Everything was black and white with him, to the point of being unreasonable.
He's an unbalanced Guilliman. He's a multifaceted individual with talents that go beyond war but he has none of the realism and maturity.
More like an unbalanced Lion El’Jonson. But Jonson is pretty much unbalanced himself so Perty is like an extreme version of the Lion.
@@magnusthered5994 To extent, the Lion wasn't good with people but he was also self aware enough to know that and he understood the value of such things. Perturabo disregarded it entirely until it boiled over.
I also make the connection to Guilliman because both are Primarchs who are concerned which more than just war. The difference was that Guilliman was always doing more than just war and preparing for the day when the wars would be over and you had to focus on maintaining worlds, people and culture.
Perturabo wanted to build, he wanted to contribute to art and philosophy. He wanted to add to culture. But more importantly, he wanted to be thanked. He wanted to be loved. But, ironically, he pushed away all the people who would have loved him (his adopted family).
Ultimately, you could compare Perturabo to several of his brothers but it all comes back to the same: Perturabo just didn't have the personal fortitude to endure. Everything rankled his pride or shamed him and due to his personality, he had no close to help shore that flaw up. All he ever had was his fragile pride.
Just my thoughts.
TresBS1 Well I think that Lion’s loyalty was fragile throughout the Heresy and even before it like Perturabo, but unlike Perty Lion didn’t have a massive daddy complex. Also, Lion was a man of war and nothing else. Overall Sanguinius seems to be the best out of the bunch.
@@magnusthered5994 Is Guilliman "balanced", though? 🤔
Hector Andem He is unbalanced but in a positive manner. He has great Administration skills and his combat skills are underrated but he isn’t the best commander of fighting men. His approach to war is very bookish and too structured. He would’ve been a great general if his enemies were orthodox and traditional, but he’s against Great minds like Horus, Fulgrim and Konrad Curze .
My all time favorite Traitor Legion, only rivaled by The Black Legion. Iron Within, Iron Without!
IRON WITHIN!
I pitty the Alphalegionaire who get to infiltrate them.
Heretic!
@@boboak3003 thank you
@Modustollens1 Coward ya know nothing of sacrifice
Imagine the kid next door who broke your sandcastle
In the form of countless Traitor Astartes
Are you saying i should kill him by beating him with a chainsword?
@@Hiihtopipa Not saying, only implying
I would hang him from an Endor tree like I did Ewoks.
@Hero-Of Courage Nah bit more tacticts... some weird strike within a 100 years...
@Hero-Of Courage I DEMAND TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY!
Was listening to "salve Regina" in Latin gregorian chant then lo and behold the god emperor send me his piece of wisdom and his protection
Ave imperator!
Ave lord baldemort!
@roast beef holy shit you too?? Damn the emperor had gather us all in one place indeed hahaha Ave imperator brother
The great thing about the Iron Cage was that no matter how it turned out once the Fists had decided to crack it the Iron Warriors had already won. If the Fists attack and fail to break through, great, proves they were better than those braggarts at siegecraft _and_ fortifications. But the way it really went down was far better. The Fists got to experience the constant grinding misery of siege warfare in order to finally break through, and suffer horrendous losses in the process, and after all that pain and misery and sacrifice what do they have to show for it? Nothing. I can just imagine the smug, spiteful daemonic Perturabo walking up to the battered and drained Dorn and whispering in his ear "How does it feel?"
Ironically there was one way the Fists could have won, not only negating the intended goal of the Iron Cage in bleeding them white, but in demonstrating a kind of low-key strength that the Iron Warriors never understood. The strength to say no. After all it was an obvious trap, and would require multiple legions to effectively crack open, and that spiteful c**t Perturabo was almost certainly not in the centre of it. Better to leave them all guarding it like a prison of their own making than have them rampaging around the Imperium. The only legion who would willingly throw away their lives for no good cause was one that was too weak to face the fact of their own basic needs as human beings, like the Iron Warriors.
I think many misunderstand why the Iron Cage was undertaken. Dorn was insane with fury at his own failure to protect his father. He did not seek to win, to contain the Iron Warriors, or to even show strength. He sought exclusively, to the detriment of his legion and himself, to kill traitors. Of course it was a trap. The Fists went into it anyway, because it meant being able to kill traitors. Of course Perturabo wasn't there. But there were traitors there, and they needed to be killed. Of course it would cost hundreds of space marines to kill those traitors. But no sacrifice was deemed unacceptable if it meant killing more traitors. Others may claim that nothing was gained from entering the Iron Cage, but the Fists will point to the dead traitors and be happy with that.
This is why the Fists led the scouring, why the Fists went wherever there were traitors, wherever the fighting was thickest, and killed them. In time immemorial both the Fists and Ultramarines accepted the walking dead from the two missing legions. But after the scouring the Ultramarines alone accepted loyalists from the traitor legions. Because until the Iron Cage the Fists were inconsolably mad with rage, and even after the Iron Cage those Fists who were completely unable to go back to normal were split off into their own chapter, the Black Templars, and sent out into the galaxy to continue the great work of killing traitors.
@Ban this youtube WEH!
@@ZeroNumerous Of course, it does not matter, given that 70% of the legion is gone, because the fists are always immersed in glorious dreams full of honor and pride.
@@ZeroNumerous The thing is, this underplays it a bit and making it seem more akin to an intended outcome, well yes one could argue that considering the stakes and emotional wreckage that dorn himself was certainly affected by. Emotional distability that mr peter turbo over here use very much so to his advantage, branching off from the main comment Yes, the only way they could've won was by literally just saying No and leaving them be yet they charged, because Peturabo knows Dorn couldn't simply just say no, not without dorn's pride being at stake and especially not after dorn himself announcing that "He would haul Perturabo back to terra in an iron cage"
Now I ask you this would that proclamation, that statement would be spoken out so loudly by someone _not_ intending to win? Besides even if it was a lie that couldn't simply be considering what Alpharius said about dorn and the fact that the man "Never lies" besides his stubborness as well. It's practically nigh impossible, the breaking of the emperor might've even driven him to be more stubborn and defiant to catch this petulant man child and his barely notable legion. Now, given what we know of dorn, is he _really_ the type to give up in such a way
@@ZeroNumerous
Ur fingers must be sore
Honestly, Iron Warriors and the Alpha Legion are my favorite traitors. Iron Warriors for just spitting in the face of the chaos gods and going " No. I don't need your help, filth. " and Alpha Legion for their: " Victory at any cost. Even being called traitors. "
Hydra Dominatus
I like your taste, but Alpha legion as traitors? Are you sure about that?
This is what I was looking for...
When Barbaras Dantioch gets "Hrudded" (hit with an aging energy from the Hrudd) and Perturabo makes fun of him, strips him of his rank, exiles him... And Dantioch, looking all old and shriveled up... Just carries on as a leader and warsmith, and still kind of admires Perturabo...!!! Iron within, Iron without...
Dantioch is truly one of my favorite characters, if not my favorite in the HH series.
Sometimes I think he is overlooked.
he actually questioned pertys way of fighting the hrud, which wasn’t very good, as they just bum rushed in, which was a very reasonable question, to barnabys credit
@@dwi2921 An Iron Warrior being overlooked, you say?
Ill be honest, the Iron Warriors are by far my favorite Traitor Astartes Legion, the reason they rebelled was well justified, and they look friggin amazing!
They dont worship any chaos god which keeps them looking like just renegade astartes with some twisted parts here and there...nothing over the top like bloated ugly bellies of the death guard or weird symbols and tattoes like slaanesh or tzeench followers
They are the type of villains you kinda feel bad for. Kinda wish they stayed loyal and swapped places with the Iron Hands. But oh well
*ahem* Scythes of the Emperor *ahem*
@@harkonen1000000 what about them?
@@craziun4292 dead by Dantioch's hands :troll:
There's still obliterators with those tortoise toes 🤢
@@barrysingh2872 Obliterators actually should only have mechanical mutations, this is the models not matching lore. Kitbashing is the way to go.
No one:
Nobody:
Not a soul:
Lord Baldermort: END. QUOTE.
*Perturabo seething in the distance intensified*
Perturabo: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!
Mc Shadier no other primarch seethes quite as well
Rogal's Smugness Intensifies
I like to personally think that Perturabo didn’t actually become a Daemon prince, but used the sacrificed gene seed to “trick” the chaos gods into giving him power he used to siphon into a powered suit, making it basically a super obliterator. Think it fits his character more ;)
I love them, they are the cold and emotionless counterpart to our firebrand religious fervor. Two sides to the same scorned and tossed aside Imperial coin.
The Iron Warriors were wasted on the tasks assigned to them, as was Perturabo for being made a warlord instead of an inventor. Both could have been so much more. So much better.
He wasted his own potential as much as anyone else.
to quote his foster-father. "You chose to forge a sword, Perturabo. You could of made a plough."
@@funnycreature2331 That is not representative of anything. Perturabo was brought before the Tyrant-King of a military state and asked to make himself useful. Of course he would forge a sword. What else could they have so easily judged? Dammekos may have liked Perturabo in his own way, but make no mistake; he tried to manipulate him from beginning to end.
As for everything else, did you see any custom-made weapons in Perturabo's sanctum ever like with Vulcan? Models, yes. Drawings, yes. Gadgets, yes. Tools, certainly. No weapons. In his safe space, where no-one could judge him, Perturabo didn't make war. He chose peace. Why does everyone ignore that? His perfect world is Literally a peaceful, happy city. He can't lie inside his own head you know. He truly, deeply wanted peace.
The only thing he wanted more than peace was to be useful, and both his dads were in need of generals. No more, No less. Being Perturabo, of course, he refused to compromise and then got angry when refusing to compromise made him miserable, passed blame on to anyone else, and basically was his own worst enemy. But he never wanted war.
If there is one thing he is consistent with, it is that.
I'd like to think that the emperor would have let the primarchs do more than just war after conquering the galaxy, so they could expand the imperiums' culture to hights comparable to the zenith of humanity.
The colonel was given the authentic "Istvan 5" experience!
Lol! So true. :).
Wait they also got virus bombed?
@@jakehearn432 That was Istvan 3, Istvan 5 was fought with conventional weapons and Betrayal!
@@Kristian.B.Kristiansen oh sorry I'm new to warhammer so some of the battles sound the same
@@jakehearn432 That is true, and they were fought only a few months apart in the Istvan system.
Iron Warriors are my favourite Chapter, especially the chunky Heresy-Era Astartes in their Mark III and Cataphractii armour. Love the aesthetic, the tactics, and Barbos Dantioch is an absolute chad.
I've always found the Iron Warriors interesting. I have just recently gotten into the table top game, something I credit towards you, and already my mind is racing with ideas. I intend to make a Homebrew Chapter with successors from Iron Warriors who remained Loyal, some people who are more knowledgeable of the lore assure me that it's plausible, and I can hardly wait to get started. I call them the Iron Souls, and their mantra is "No Redemption, Only Duty."
Welcome to the great game/hobby brother. You’ll love it! :).
A good question. If Primaris? Doddle - Cawl lies to Roboute as we knew he would. If astartes? I definitely think that works.
But at the end of the day, they will be YOUR army. You do your thing. :).
Silver Skulls might be the loyal Iron Warriors. Barabas Dantioch never turned.
Didn't Dantioch die after blowing up the Pharos beacon?
Oh hello there. Mind telling us your home base. Don't worry, we're not ordo hereticus nor are we going to order an exterminatus.
That's an interesting take, Iron Warriors being a Mirror to Ultramarines. But having a better understanding of their history makes sense as to why the Iron Warriors broke up into Warbands.
Imagine a siege battle between the Salamanders and the Iron Warriors. Both stubborn, both refusing to lose, both willing to play the long game.
Big Siege Weapons versus Giant Flamers and Inferno weaponry. That would be crazy 🤙
Upon the anvil of war I believe the Sons of Vulkan would be victorious in the end, whether their chapter would survive such a siege is my query
I've been waiting with bated breath for this day. The wonderful Baldermort presents the Iron Warriors. My favorite renegade the chapter, and the one chapter I confused with the Iron Hands when I got into 40K.
I do hope you'll cover the Night Lords in the future as well, they're another renegade chapter I have a soft spot for.
Thank you once again Balder!
I did a shorter entry on the NIght Lords, but it is there. Its very 'marmite' though. Many detest it. Many do not. :)
Was just about to sleep and this popped up..... Sleep is for the weak
Iron within, brother...
@@themygeorge814 IRON WITHOUT, BROTHER
YOU ARE WEAK
Poor Perturabo, I don't think anybody appreciated him, including himself. Happiness comes from internal factors, not external ones. I have done humanitarian work in the Philippines, people as poor as imaginable yet happy with their families and farms. Maybe Perturabo should have spent a decade farming rice.
where in the Philippines have you helped my fellow brethren, Lord Dorn? Regardless, Maraming Salamat sa tulong, po!
@Deathcoldan I've seen this countless of times, Im from the Philippines myself. The one's that show too much eagerness tend to take advantage, and the few that needed actual help the most are usually out of reach. Though all of them wishes no harm, they just (from what I usually see)hoped to have a better meal with your support that day/time. They wish no ill to anyone, because social pressure and/or labeling cuts deeper and leaves a lasting mark than the horrendous act they wish to do to someone.
@@Jazzglenn Luzon, near Tarlac (Camiling, Guimba and Santa Ignacia to be specific).
Or...... plant daffodils.
@The serpent must die True, I should not paint everything as so. Though, I really wish they find peace in their hearts wishing not to inflict harm to others. Looking at our situation as it is, i really dont want furthermore tragedy adding to the list that's looking more negative than positive.
Perturabo really is proof that Big E never hugged his sons
@Deathcoldan well, maybe if the FE hadn't tossed his own children into a warp hole...
Iron Warriors are proffesionals, we fight wars to win!!
No you fight wars to loose. You are only second to us warfare wise
@@RADINNS We will be happy to use the Fallen as a bait. Have You ever asked your fellow Imperial Fists what happened to them within the Iron Cage?
@@samaepl please do, only left about 100 who swore to Luther so... And believe you me, you would need several full companies (not petty warbands) to engage us because when we hunt the Fallen at least one full company with ravenwing and deathwing and several companies of successor chapters with Chapter Masters and maybe Interrogator Chaplain so... Listen to Baldemorts video Dark Angels - most effective Legion and you'll get the picture how we hunt.
Who fucks IF, they are not Legion we have some strong bonds with except we are loyalist, tell me, when we had bromance with them?
Lego builders and masochistic Legion (pain glove, khm khm).
I'm OK with IW but have some issues with that traitor thing and Perturabo being cunt and all and Honsou etc.
@@RADINNS I feel bad for Dark angel fans. They like to pretend they can beat any other chapter but aren't as organized as ultramarines, as vicious as blood angels, they're second best at everything.
His video was from their perspective, of course they got overhyped, its more fun that way
@@fiddlesticks7245 smurfs organized? No, just have more numbers, only cos we were sent, as 1st Legion, to deal with xenos noone knew shit about. That crusade (if you know of which one I'm talking about) cost us 50k battle brothers. That's how smurfs took over numbers.
So, in your opinion, would big E risk his new Imperium and send multiple Legions or the ones which were with him from beginning (⚡ warriors excluded), the ones he knew the best and the ones who will finish the job.
Lion>Girlyman in any way so...
Its OK to dislike us but man, we r the first.
Blood Angels, come on dude, don't insult my intelligence, vampires in disguise who get super natural abilities when they go berserk.
Vicious??? We fucking annihilated whole xeno specie ffs just because big E said so. You got a lot to learn, we are breed for war, we can attack, defence, gore, doesn't matter, only thing matter is to get to get job done.
I find it funny that Warhammer could potentially be a funny sitcom about a dysfunctionally family and how their personalities were shaped by the varying foster homes they grew in. Perturabo would be the workaholic tech genius who pushes people away because he never learned how to socialize with others. If only someone could see through his cold and harsh facade there was a man longing for the love he heard in the works of fiction he read.
So a hipermuscled Sheldon Cooper... i can see it
TTS
That decimation punishment was rough beyond belief. As a Roman history buff, I found it’s use not reasonable nor useful. It never brought loyalty but fear.
Loyalty is fickle, fear is universal. Ave Dominus Nox.
That was the purpose. For legionaries to be more fearful of their superiors than dying to the enemy.
Didn't the 9 sometimes get to pick the tenth? I thought it was about purging weakness, but purging the unlucky.
@@MDMDMDMDMDMDMDMDMD if memory serves, they were typically chosen by lots.
Otherwise it would be a convenient way to get rid of the guy no one liked.
@@irondiver2034 getting rid of the guy no one likes seems like it would be more useful
In the middle of reading Storm of Iron. Brutal bastards the fourth....
That single dislike is from Valrak😂
I just wanted to say, this has to be some of best work brother Baldermort. The audiodrama explaining the Decimation was one of the best bits of Great Crusade writing I think I've ever experienced, I loved that the Lieutenant was ultimately thankful for his decimation because the commander was right, he would not have had the stomach for what came next.
Thank you for exploring one of the most important of all legions, as it is their fall that I think is most telling. The Iron Warriors more than anything fought the real Crusade: they're the ones storming the ramparts, taking the blows and never bowing to the foe. And yet, they fell. To me the Iron Warriors fall is one of the most tragic, as more than any of the heretic legions it is their blood that built the Imperium that they now seek to destroy. People see Perturabo and his sons as weak willed and have the gall to call them petulant! That couldn't be further from the truth, there is no force in the Imperium of the Great Crusade that sacrificed more than the Iron Warriors, and for their efforts and the efforts of their father they recieved nothing but scorn and not the respect they deserved.
F for the guard, it's a sad truth when fighting the Tin warriors
F
F for my Rubricae bois.
IRON AND WRATH!
BRING FORTH THE ARMORED THUNDER!
LET THE STEEL LIGHTNING FALL UPON THEM!
WAR COMES, IN FIRE, STORM AND RAGE!
TREMBLE, FOR THE 4TH COMES FOR YOU!
IRON AND WRATH!
NO
-Rogal Dorn
@@magnusthered5994 culd not have said it better my self.
@@magnusthered5994 Correction: it was "OH NO!!!". And all what's left was his hand.
Josef Odium Dorn lives!
@@magnusthered5994 A far more apt "No".
When mentioning the Traitor Legions, it's said that 9 Legions sided with Horus. But 1/3 of the Traitor Legions were made up of Loyalist. So would it be safe to say that as far as numbers go the Traitors were fighting as 6 Legions with 9 Generals?
Astute. I don’t think I could argue with this estimation.
I was not a big fan of the iron warriors but this shows me that they are one that I would want on my side and to never make them feel as a tool or they will turn me into one.
This is great as always, and though I appreciate the attempt to make it cool, the decimation of the Iron Warriors will forever be the stupidest, most grimderp thing of the HH.
He went from being a bright boy to a despot within one shuttle ride. On flight movie must have really sucked.
its hard to sympathize with such idiocy
I personally decide to ignore the decimation. I love Peter and the iron warriors but it's hard to go into and focus on the turbo when he decides "hey let's just kill a large population on this stubborn and though weak currently, durable and strong legion, they deffenetly won't resent me or decide to assainate me after they decide that I shouldn't be in charge."
"He kinda forgot about a iron warriors fleet..." Reminds me of something... Hmm
Yeah what about the iron blood, perturabos flagship
The iron warriors a legion who has known nothing pain and sacrifice brothers dying in the thousands they deserve more respect from the God emperor. I can get a better idea of why they turn traitors. All the pain and resentment with no respect for their sacrifice. Their story is truly fitting for grim darkness of the far future. Thank you brother Baldermort for honor these fallen heros and giving them the respect they deserve.
I found your channel the other week and I have been loving to been watch your work. While I don’t play the tabletop I’ve been loving the lore. Keep up the great work and you have more than earned my sub!
Can you imagine baldemort with his child at night?
"Dad, can you read me a story?"
Baldemort:"very well, gentle listener, i will be your humble servant for tonight, and i will tell you of a fairy tail as old as they may get, yet still beloved... the story of snow white"
My favourite legion alongside the Thousand Sons!
Thank you for all the superb content, brother Baldemort!
Iron within, Iron without!
Are these really Iron Warriors? I didn’t see ONE carrying a shovel the entire video!
Yet again Baldermort, you do one of my favourite legions justice! Splendid job sir, good form. Black Library really do need to pay heed and hire you for some audio books.
Brothers !!! IRON WITHIN !!!!!!!
I have been waiting for this brother Baldermort, and as usual you more than surpass my expectations. Your the best and one of us, we won't forget it.
Really relieved you liked it brother. I had quite a few worries about this one. Lol. :).
@@baldermort oh yes you have done my beloved 4rth legion proud..
Perturabo was ignored because his actions, everyone couldn't forget, couldn't ignore. He was a monster. He didn't see Humans, all he seen was numbers.
Wasn't the Emperor kinda the same?
He saw humans. Above all, he saw humans. He saw unique, brilliant lives brimming with potential... and then he marched them off to the killing fields because the Imperium came first, emotions and guilt second.
He was never a monster. It would have been far easier if he was though.
@@rakshithanand8262 He was sorta both, Perturabo was always at a limbo
It is interesting to see how traitors like the iron warriors, word bearers, night lords, and world eaters have somehow passed on their rather negative traits to the imperium whole, to where even successor chapters are more like the traitors than their predecessors.
"Iron within, iron without."
All I heard was "the Imperial Fists are just like us, except better in every way. They even wear gold."
Imperial Fists are the Iron Warriors but boring.
I like the Iron Warriors because they put hazard stripes on their shoulder pads. It's like they're saying "We may be villainous traitors that dabble with daemonic forces but we still going to comply with OSHA standards"
your "story" voice is remarkably suited for Iron Warriors.
I absolutely love it, another great video Baldemort, thank you !
This was beautiful. The 4th are probably the most practical of the traitor forces. They use what they have and work efficiently. They don't mess around with ostentatious livery. A simple black and yellow chevron pattern as a warning to any that draw near. Grand, now I've the inspiration to paint up a small force of these walking weapons. Time to order fresh paint brushes...and more leadbelcher spray.
Iron Warriors will forever be my favorite!! IRON WITHIN!!!!!
Honestly, the more I learn about the traitor legions lore, the more I sympathize with them.
You are meant to. :).
Suffer not the unclean! Burn the witch.
That the imperium lost such a great legion is a tragedy of Olympic proportions. What is even worse is how those they bemoan their dwindling knowledge and depleted numbers. So taken for granted were the Iron Warriors the Imperium does not even recognise they lost the only legion that could endure such a challenge.
It is not difficult to imagine a certain Magos Dominus would seek to exploit such a stable genetic template if only he could!
"Iron Within, Iron Without"
Such a simple yet profound description. But what no one seems to take into account, something that every single smith who's worked with iron, cast iron or cold forged iron, is that iron is brittle. No matter how hard you make iron if hit hard enough, if you strike it enough times...it...will...BREAK. The garrison duties, the bloody insurrections, the internecine rebellions. All in silent, uncomplaining muteness, because anything else would be "weakness". Instead of being tempered the Iron Warriors were hardened. Hardened again and again until all give, flexibility, dare I say "softness" was forged out of them. Until the day when the only one who could speak for them instead broke them with but a single word; decimation. Yes, the tale of the Iron Warriors is a tragic one, and their complaints and grudges are not without merit nor justification, but in the end they still broke. As all iron does when you hit it hard enough.
"Iron Within, Iron Without"
Imperial Fists=the last defenders of Terra, golden boiz, the 2nd best golden host in the Imperium
Iron Warriors=basically guardsmen but better armor and can dig trenches faster
this post was made by independent researchers from Terra
Astartes Kriegers
Still broke your best and favorite toys more times than not.
@@drew9759 Oh, Lord. Because they need even more veneration of the Emperor.
@@lacarthcinclair5401 right lmaoo, i could only imagine that the black templars would be right on board with krieg astartes. Plus most of them are already about 15 when they first see combat so it could work and they are trained from birth to fight and die for the emperor. I honestly believe GW is just too lazy to do it.
These "Guardsmen" raped Imperial Fists so many times that those golden asslickers no longer exists for the most part and their Primarch is gone. Meanwhile Iron Bois are doing great. They are probably going to Hydra Cordatus for the third time cause Dorn Bois developed Stockholm syndrome there.
My fav. Legion before and after the heresy. IRON WITHIN !
The best and the most interesting traitor legion as well as the primarch. Many say Parturabo was just bitter and spiteful but who wouldn't get upset, when nobody acknowledged the artistry of skill that one puts into their craftsmanship. I'd be upset as well. Not that I blame Dorn but occasionally diplomatic answers are just the best options.
no one *Alpha Legion laughs in subterfuge*
Parturabo also called for his sons to brutally kill eachother just because he didn't think they were good enough. I don't think he has any right to feel bad about not getting a pat on the back.
@@Watcher-in-the-Dark You can't make an efficient legion without cracking some heads.
@@no_one01-5 Literally a bunch of other legions did just fine without cracking their own heads lol. Actually many of them did better as now their traitors being the toys and puppets of Gods lol.
@@Watcher-in-the-Dark If that is your argument, then I got nothing to say. I know the lore, thanks.
not all the Iron Warriors turend traitor, remember that.
Barabas Dantioch, Hero of the Imperium!
All that still breath reject the corpse emporoer.
Well, there was this one fortress ,in a huge asteroid,i think? Where a company of LOYAL Iron warriors held off a army of heretical Iron Warriors and there allies, and the heretics had a imperator Titan, and yet the LOYAL warriors of Iron, held the fortress for a looooooong time,and they heretics lost the Titan as well. I think a few loyal Iron warriors made it out,the commander to,by teleporter.
Schadenhold , that was the name of the fortress
The Silver Skulls are speculate by fans to be descendants of the Iron Warriors, despite officially being categorized as Ultramarine successors. This is due to a similarity in color scheme, chapter symbol and combat speciality (Siege warfare). Plus their gene-seed records are listed as being 'inconclusive' by the Adeptus Mechanicus and under investigation by the Ordo Hereticus.
Heck, Sarah Cawkwell, author of the Silver Skulls book series, has stated that yes the chapter was founded by Barabas Dantioch's Iron Warriors, who were adopted by the Ultramarines.
Forgive me for being one of those guys.
Have you ever thought about a video on the Tuchulcha Engine, Ouroboros, and the Plagueheart? I think they're *technically* more 30K than 40K, but are potentially important to the setting at large.
I guess this also doubles as a reccomendation for a really neat little bit of lore if you, or anyone else, doesn't know what that is, especially if anyone is a fan of the deepest lore of the setting.
While I'm at being obnoxious and asking for things, the Q'Orl should get a video, considering they are dozens of times larger and more relevant than the Tau (and the possible connection is delicious!), but are cursed with being the second race of bug-man-man-murderers in the galaxy and are thus doomed to obscurity.
This guy and the border prince are top notch I don't even play ANY of the games but I love the lore
Had the best ad break ever "as the younger astartes looked down, he said" *add break jingle with upbeat music* thankyou for being a friend *music continues* thankyou for being a friend*
Was extremely confused but also very amused
God I hate ads. Sorry. :).
Excellent audio drama absolutely thrilling and the analysis at the end was spot on this was an excellent episode keep up the great work
You sir went above and beyond on this one,I salute you!
I will always have a special place in my heart for the iron warriors
I see alot of myself in their tactics and philosophy
Iron within iron without
Now this, this was a most excellent bit of fun on my Saturday.
Thank you Brother Baldermort, most excellent indeed...
Wonderful work as always, though to lean into your point about Perturabo being the mirror of Bobby G, I do recall that Roboute complained to the Emperor directly about Perturabo's use of decimation and seemed to indicate personal knowledge and the service records of some of the decimated showing that he cared more about his brother's men as men then he ever would.
NoTimeAllTime is definitely one take. I had another line on that. But Ultra fans begged me not to put out ‘Dark Prince’ so I canned it. They get enough of a kicking already. ;(. Poor fellas. :).
I disagree with you. Perturabo cared about his troops a lot as men. It's just that their worth was as nothing before the weight of responsibility. If by sacrificing thousands now he could save billions of Imperial lives by them crusading better? He'd do it all over again.
A thoroughly logical trade.
One day, Perturabo shall come back and reforge the Iron Warriors into a legion once more.
And that day, the Imperium of Man shall tremble in fear, to the sound of relentless, unstoppable tide of iron and blood.
@Captain-General Kittonius Cope as dorn wouldn't be there to fight back
Perturabo is most frequently compared to Dorn, but he has things in common with a few of his brothers:
- He shares Dorn's stubbornness and affinity for architecture, both military and civil.
- He devotes himself to crafting, enjoying the act of working metal just as much Vulkan.
- He loves to read, like Magnus, and enjoys the study of history and the arts.
- He shares Guilliman's love of statecraft, and dreamt of making Olympia a paradise for scholars and craftsmen.
- He has a strong sense of justice and honour, like Curze, as well as a very changeable personality.
If the Chaos Gods hadn't set Perturabo's personality off-kilter from the start, he could easily have been the greatest of his brothers... and yet he ended up joining the very beings who cursed and doomed him. That is one of the greatest tragedies - and ironies - of the 40k setting.
Perturabo digs holes.
I thought this was funny before but now I get it, yes he kinda does. Magnus is a lot deeper than he appears, isn't he? Not to mention bloody hilarious.
I figure if I had to be a Chaos Marine, I'd rather be an Iron Warrior than any other. Man, I love me some War Machines. Not a giant Perturabo fan but they are a bitchin' army.
How the hell are you so god damn good? You are the best narrator that I have ever heard. I listen to historical podcasts every day and you could speak rings around anyone sir.
I had discover your channel 2 weeks ago
Sadly i already had watch everything, amazing content and work !
I’m bingeing your videos while I remodel my island. Gotta say I love the contrast.
This is an Incredible Legion....Too Bad then that Perturabo is such a difficult Primarch to like.
Easily my second favorite legion and primarch close behind the death guard and theirs. Thanks for another great video baldermort
My friend to me: *"I want to paint my marines into iron warriors"*
Me: "Why's that?"
My friend to me: *"They have a pretty cool primarch"*
Also me: "Who hurt you boy?"
If the Imperial Fists had been used for garrison duty and the Iron Warriors had been more upon the front line and got some more praise from Daddy Emperor, would they still have turned?
Pert had multiple reasons for turning. The emperor was a tyrant. Not hard to stir up disloyalty when you're a tyrant.
The iron Warriors are my favorite traitor Legion their story is so tragic. Great video sir
Phenomenal work, some of your best. Your greater use of your own description combined with excerpts from the lore was greatly appreciated. And the comparison between Guilliman and Perturabo makes a lot of sense.
OH, so you prefer it when I don;t quote as much? Just checking really? :)
@@baldermort The quoting is great, it is often the most direct way to portray a faction succinctly. Interspersing it with your own takes and mini conclusions not to mention your absolutely fantastic short narratives really give the whole video more life and personality. This video had one of your most perfect balances to date! And the underscoring of Perturabo's victory at the Siege was pure solid Iron! (Gold ;))
Kristian Kristiansen gotcha. Thanks for taking the time to explain your opinion brother. Very grateful, as always, brother. Thank you. :) :).
(Credits done too. Yay!).
Corpse Grinders would make for a good Loyalist Iron Warriors chapter. I would imagine the Death Korps of Krieg would like working along side them.
Just ditched the dishes to go listen to this, wife is furious. Worth it.
Lol. It can always wait. Happy wife (partner) happy life. :) b
The secret is that these videos are excellent dish washing companions.
Wireless headphones yo!
Put in head phones lol. Like come on iron warriors use bionics all the time think man think man.
@@ProfesserLuigi I genuinely do wash my dishes while listening to these videos.
From Iron Cometh Strength
From Strength Cometh Will
From Will Cometh Faith
From Faith Cometh Honor
From Honor Cometh Victory
From Victory Cometh Iron
This is the Unbreakable Litany, May it Forever Be So.
Iron within ... Iron without !
"Iron within, Iron without!"
one of the single best Ironwarriors lore videos I have ever seen! thank you!
Good Sir, thank you. For all the fluff... all the pomp... While I adore and admire Daddy Dorn this fact does not tarnish his collosal achievement. You are the first to declare what we have all known.... Horus failed, the Hammer of Olympia did NOT, for the Sol system to the palace itself was breached..... Amazing vid, I almost shed a tear because of all the negativity hurled at the I.W. , but that's just jealousy rearing it's bitter head, muhahaha...... TTFN!
Edit: (P.S. Wonder what the perfect legion combination would have been, the most complete... Fists/I.W. or Smurfs/I.W. or some other, what do you all think?)
I cannot believe you did that to me..... That last question is going to drive me nuts for months now. :) :) :) :) The only saving grace is we can change our minds. Sooo many good combos to be had. :)
Iron! :)
@@baldermort Indeed Good Sir, indeed..... LOL!!!
Perturabo the engineer of War who wanted to be the architect of peace. His dreams called to him but he decided that the only way for him to be allowed to build in peace was to make peace, the only way to make peace was to end war and the only way to end war was to win.
The Iron Warriors are like the quiet kid in the back of the class who have finally had enough
Maybe? That might also be the Alpha Legion, though, since Iron Warriors were seen but not respected, while the Alpha Legion just wasn't seen, but has an encyclopedic knowledge of the entire rest of the class' names, strengths, weaknesses, and what their favorite drinks and colors are.
Maybe also the White Scars, except they didn't really snap, and just ride dirtbikes after school.
"Oh, and also the White Scars/Jaghatai Khan were there too, I guess" may as well be the chapter motto.
I didn't feel much one way or the other about the Iron Warriors until I listened to "Angel Exterminatus" audiobook. Been a fan ever since!
I find it strange that the fans of the imperial Fists decry the acts of Perturabo for his brutality towards his men, such as in his decimation. It’s strange because they will also argue that Dorn wasn’t equally at fault if not more so when it came to the iron cage. He fed his men into a meat grinder and refused to retreat when all logic would dictate that nothing was to be gained by continuing all for the purpose of... not feeling guilt. At least Perturabo done it to harden his legion, Dorn done it because he felt sad because the emperor almost died. Hypocrites. Iron Within brothers.
Dorn's legion was so unified and so solid he literally had to shatter it to make it comply with the codex astartes.
@@georgestauber2636 That's like saying "Oh Hitler attacked the Soviets in winter because He knows how much germany would technological advance in the future"
You're simply spinning it too hard,
And here I thought the Alpha legion was the liars, smh
@Ban this youtube Yeah Dorn was just pissed and Perturabo ceased on that fact all too clear
What a surprise , another amazing video . It’s always a treat my friend.keep up the amazing work . Stay safe my friend .