Hey folks, Bones here. Just wanted to answer a couple of the few big questions we usually get when people see the beginner bracket: 1) There's general guidance for who's allowed in the bracket in the challonge description. We do also look at everyone who's new each week and make judgement calls (e.g., a Sol player with 3k games but 1500 ELO might still be too good for the bracket) 2) The people you see who seem cracked out of their mind (Like Boxorocks in this video) have been playing and grinding in the beginner bracket starting out going 0-2 and getting here. But even folks who on paper are good players can struggle in bracket for a variety of reasons: nerves, matchup inexperience, etc. We tend to let folks who have played enter week over week rather than ban them so they can get that achievement of getting the ban, rather than capping them earlier because they made celestial one month. 3) Yes, what a beginner is is very fuzzy. But I'll say as someone who's done over 70 of these things that players improve FAST. There are folks that are Floor 3 warriors who have no idea what a combo is who 2 months later are playing out of their mind. There's a lot of context you can miss with people's growth if you just see their current cherry picked form, so don't let it discourage you. Hope that answers some of the usual q's. If you have others feel free to ask and I'll try my best to answer. Thanks gamers!
Are these cups NA specific? I would love to participate in these but considering a large part of the fgc community that runs tourneys is NA it seems like it'll be hard to play, would love to train in these
why the 1800 ELO cap on the tournament? Is this just an arbitrary number or is there more method to determining what elo differentiates good and great players?
@@tadhgwilson9268 The "Cutoff" is 1600, not 1800. ELO's not a perfect indicator of anything though, there's a lot of judgement call and human element to this. We review everyone new each week and make a call on whether or not we think it's appropriate. Things like total number of games and what floors they hang out in can also be a big consideration. It's not a robotic system, it's very intentionally flexible
The fuckin GIANT GRIN on my face seeing I was featured in a Sajam vid. Made my week, for sure. Gonna continue to enter the beginner bracket, it has been a ton of fun! All the GGs to Bonktacular and the other new players, I encourage you to learn and grow, and I hope I see you next week!
Love these beginner bracket watchalongs, it's super cool seeing all levels of players getting the spotlight on your channel rather than just the best players. It's also good for learning, getting to see some common habits and mistakes + your feedback, super helpful!
im in a weird middle groubd where my rating update is too high to play in the beginner bracket but i get stomped 0-2 in tns either way seeing all these players improve is really cool and really rad for the scene
Literally 1/4th of the bracket has to go 0-2. No shame in it buddy. You're doing better than me, sitting over here too nervous to enter at all. Keep on keepin' on.
Its fascinating seeing the NA beginner scene as someone who's been in the EMEA beginner strive scene for a while, also since they ban top 3 rather than just top 1 I assume its significantly bigger since most beginner tournaments here just ban the winner, which I'm oh so close to reaching I can feel myself breaking through the wall.
I just got into strive the other day and I suck, but I've been doing the missions in dojo so I'm excited to improve. These matches have definitely motivated to keep going.
Very cool watchalong i hope you do more of those because as a beginner getting some advice that are more simple and easy to access is perfect 👍🏾 at least for me it was very helpful thanks
another thing with test vs i no that i don't see a lot of testament players doing. if you find yourself getting tagged by HCL when doing fireball mid/full screen. charge your fireball. testament ducks down during the charge animation so they won't get hit by HCL. since HCL travels across the screen the animation matches the hitbox pretty well. so it'll be a 15-18 frame move from midscreen so it'll be way easier to react to vs up close where it's frame 11. another thing with HCL is that it's a level 2 projectile. so it'll destroy your fireball and hit you during the recovery of 236s. but if you can time/guess right, you can hit the strike hitbox of 236s/h and it'll still produce the projectile. because the strike hitbox for grave reaper is pretty big and will tag HCL (which will nullify it), even if you use 236s
that sol is going places if they start thinking a little, copying mocchi only gets you so far but the fundamentals are there. good awareness to know that rc down is the best option after 5h br
I should see if I can try this some time. I got the game when it came out, and I got to like... Floor 7 I think. But I haven't played it in a while even though I've kept watching it.
For suggestions for beginner cup analysis I may like to see something like instead of just analyzing just the most recent cup we could do maybe people request / you and or bones cherry pick certain matches or tournaments.
as a faust player, j. s into 5h is really ingrained for some reason as well and I have no idea why. very weird to see this habit with someone else despite is almost never working
I should enter a tournament like this strive is still new to Xbox and I'd love to accelerate improving by forcing myself to get into the stress of a tournament.
Hey uh...serious question, do y'all actually screen who enters for the beginner bracket? My buddy's round 1 opponent was a celestial Millia above the MMR cutoff, sitting around ~1750ish ELO
Who was the millia? We do screen everybody. Sometimes the people who slip through are old gamers who have been in the beginner bracket trying to get banned and can't quite do it. Like if you're referring to this bracket, clearly they didn't make it very far despite their rank
@@SolidBones The Millia player was WannabeAG. It is true that they didn't go particularly far, and I personally didn't think their play looked egregiously out of place, but the idea that the beginner bracket included celestial players seemed a little odd. I just felt bad cause my friend was pretty discouraged going into his match, seeing as it took two minutes to check his path of players on rating update, and he had said player game 1. This isn't meant as a criticism of the bracket, nor the TO's as we're all super appreciative events like this even exist, just was a clarifying question!
@@sylascole5254 nah its all good, I didn't read it that way. Yeah, wannabe has been grinding -- I understand the discouragement, but again, I think it's tough to see the grind and where they started and where they are now. Lots of people go 0-2 each week -- statistically a lot of them, heh. But you gotta start somewhere, right?
Hey folks, Bones here. Just wanted to answer a couple of the few big questions we usually get when people see the beginner bracket:
1) There's general guidance for who's allowed in the bracket in the challonge description. We do also look at everyone who's new each week and make judgement calls (e.g., a Sol player with 3k games but 1500 ELO might still be too good for the bracket)
2) The people you see who seem cracked out of their mind (Like Boxorocks in this video) have been playing and grinding in the beginner bracket starting out going 0-2 and getting here. But even folks who on paper are good players can struggle in bracket for a variety of reasons: nerves, matchup inexperience, etc. We tend to let folks who have played enter week over week rather than ban them so they can get that achievement of getting the ban, rather than capping them earlier because they made celestial one month.
3) Yes, what a beginner is is very fuzzy. But I'll say as someone who's done over 70 of these things that players improve FAST. There are folks that are Floor 3 warriors who have no idea what a combo is who 2 months later are playing out of their mind. There's a lot of context you can miss with people's growth if you just see their current cherry picked form, so don't let it discourage you.
Hope that answers some of the usual q's. If you have others feel free to ask and I'll try my best to answer. Thanks gamers!
Are these cups NA specific? I would love to participate in these but considering a large part of the fgc community that runs tourneys is NA it seems like it'll be hard to play, would love to train in these
@@KaiHydra we're NA focused, yeah. Sorry, I wish the internet let literally anyone play but alas
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why the 1800 ELO cap on the tournament? Is this just an arbitrary number or is there more method to determining what elo differentiates good and great players?
@@tadhgwilson9268 The "Cutoff" is 1600, not 1800. ELO's not a perfect indicator of anything though, there's a lot of judgement call and human element to this. We review everyone new each week and make a call on whether or not we think it's appropriate. Things like total number of games and what floors they hang out in can also be a big consideration. It's not a robotic system, it's very intentionally flexible
When it comes to Testament, all I remember is what Romolla said about learning how good 6P was; just hit the button a lot
The fuckin GIANT GRIN on my face seeing I was featured in a Sajam vid. Made my week, for sure. Gonna continue to enter the beginner bracket, it has been a ton of fun!
All the GGs to Bonktacular and the other new players, I encourage you to learn and grow, and I hope I see you next week!
Love these beginner bracket watchalongs, it's super cool seeing all levels of players getting the spotlight on your channel rather than just the best players. It's also good for learning, getting to see some common habits and mistakes + your feedback, super helpful!
im in a weird middle groubd where my rating update is too high to play in the beginner bracket but i get stomped 0-2 in tns either way seeing all these players improve is really cool and really rad for the scene
Literally 1/4th of the bracket has to go 0-2. No shame in it buddy. You're doing better than me, sitting over here too nervous to enter at all. Keep on keepin' on.
Could always hop in on the open bracket for the discord. Happens at the same time as the beginner bracket, but on tuesdays.
Loved playing in the beginner bracket, such a fun way to learn
Its fascinating seeing the NA beginner scene as someone who's been in the EMEA beginner strive scene for a while, also since they ban top 3 rather than just top 1 I assume its significantly bigger since most beginner tournaments here just ban the winner, which I'm oh so close to reaching I can feel myself breaking through the wall.
I just got into strive the other day and I suck, but I've been doing the missions in dojo so I'm excited to improve. These matches have definitely motivated to keep going.
Enjoy, I've never loved a fighting game as much as strive
Keep practicing. I have about 25 hours in the game and I'm lurking on floor 8 of the tower already.
It has been great playing in the tournament! Only played in 2 of them so far, gotta keep grinding!
If you see me stuck on floor 10. If you try and burst bait me, I am mashing C.S. during your combos. All day.
Very cool watchalong i hope you do more of those because as a beginner getting some advice that are more simple and easy to access is perfect 👍🏾 at least for me it was very helpful thanks
another thing with test vs i no that i don't see a lot of testament players doing. if you find yourself getting tagged by HCL when doing fireball mid/full screen. charge your fireball. testament ducks down during the charge animation so they won't get hit by HCL. since HCL travels across the screen the animation matches the hitbox pretty well. so it'll be a 15-18 frame move from midscreen so it'll be way easier to react to vs up close where it's frame 11. another thing with HCL is that it's a level 2 projectile. so it'll destroy your fireball and hit you during the recovery of 236s. but if you can time/guess right, you can hit the strike hitbox of 236s/h and it'll still produce the projectile. because the strike hitbox for grave reaper is pretty big and will tag HCL (which will nullify it), even if you use 236s
that sol is going places if they start thinking a little, copying mocchi only gets you so far but the fundamentals are there. good awareness to know that rc down is the best option after 5h br
49:11 Sick Pot Buster MAKE SOME NOISE!
Eyyy! YourEvilTwin! My fellow Faust friend! Nice
might have to try enter a tournament like this, looks like a lot of fun
Always nice to see long time gamers graduating.
I should see if I can try this some time. I got the game when it came out, and I got to like... Floor 7 I think. But I haven't played it in a while even though I've kept watching it.
Yeah, just pull up and vibe. It's a fun time.
For suggestions for beginner cup analysis I may like to see something like instead of just analyzing just the most recent cup we could do maybe people request / you and or bones cherry pick certain matches or tournaments.
as a faust player, j. s into 5h is really ingrained for some reason as well and I have no idea why. very weird to see this habit with someone else despite is almost never working
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I thought tagging the note no longer works due to proximity trigger changes?
Dang I missed this stream lol
I should enter a tournament like this strive is still new to Xbox and I'd love to accelerate improving by forcing myself to get into the stress of a tournament.
Hey uh...serious question, do y'all actually screen who enters for the beginner bracket? My buddy's round 1 opponent was a celestial Millia above the MMR cutoff, sitting around ~1750ish ELO
Who was the millia? We do screen everybody. Sometimes the people who slip through are old gamers who have been in the beginner bracket trying to get banned and can't quite do it. Like if you're referring to this bracket, clearly they didn't make it very far despite their rank
@@SolidBones The Millia player was WannabeAG. It is true that they didn't go particularly far, and I personally didn't think their play looked egregiously out of place, but the idea that the beginner bracket included celestial players seemed a little odd. I just felt bad cause my friend was pretty discouraged going into his match, seeing as it took two minutes to check his path of players on rating update, and he had said player game 1.
This isn't meant as a criticism of the bracket, nor the TO's as we're all super appreciative events like this even exist, just was a clarifying question!
@@sylascole5254 nah its all good, I didn't read it that way. Yeah, wannabe has been grinding -- I understand the discouragement, but again, I think it's tough to see the grind and where they started and where they are now. Lots of people go 0-2 each week -- statistically a lot of them, heh. But you gotta start somewhere, right?
@@SolidBones True true, that's what I told em, baby steps.
how exactly do you join one of these? I really wanna see how I do but I cant seem to find out how
nah bro why were my only recorded games the ones where I lost ):
Hey those are the most useful games to review anyway so don't feel so down.
@@testsubject_999 nah bro I want Sajam to see my BRC instant overhead and be proud of me
@@felisk4304ok but what about neutral to even get to tht position
@@felisk4304 How will Sajam know I'm a real gamer if I don't hit my sick nasty goldburst setup?
Sounds like all my recorded games XD
Anyone know of any beginner brackets in the EU? Nearly every one of them I see is NA.
theres 4 I know of, saltyeu and puppyruski's pain train are both biweekly, then beginner beatdown and wild tide are weekly brackets
I got banned after 2 Lmao
Wait there are beginner brackets?!
I want me beginner cup content I’m finna enter soon
This is a beginner tournament??? What is beginner about these players 😭😭😭
Most players who make it far in these are the most advanced beginners, plenty of new players in the bracket/my discord
@@SupermanSajam oh look it's sajam.... IT'S SAJAM. Ok I got it that makes sense when I think about it.
Btw thanks so much for replying it's fr you
@@152mmapfsds bro hes just a guy
@@fortidogi8620 I'm more surprised that he just saw my comment. Press Don't lump me in with the people that worship top players
Anyone still picking Potemkin in this patch is automatically relegated to Beginner's Bracket.
Snake Eyez definitely needs the practice
You know, the discord's open bracket has some killer Potemkins if you wanna find out exactly how he's doin this patch 😃
@@UnbreakableDoof I doubt they're any better than the ones I'm seeing in Celestial 😛
@@MotorcycleYeti
You could pull up and find out. It's a fun time.
@@UnbreakableDoof Hit me with the deets!