Horl 2 vs. Imitations: Rolling Sharpeners Showdown
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- Опубліковано 22 чер 2024
- I'm comparing the Original Rolling Sharpener the Horl 2 in this video against the many copies. The copies are sold under various brand names but are essentially the same with some added add-ons, there is basically no R&D involved than blindly copying and adding ideas without testing it.
The saying: ''You don't know what you don't know'' is very true with the Rolling Sharpeners Category especially when people don't have anything else to compare it with.
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Recommended in the Rolling Sharpening Category:
Horl 2 Knife Rolling Sharpening: amzn.to/3UyBRTA
Horl Official Website: www.horl.com/
Not included in the video as I will do a separate video, but Worksharp is currently the other one I can also recommend besides Horl 2, as the changes are present with good R&D behind the product I categorize Worksharp as an alternative:
Worksharp Rolling Sharpener: amzn.to/3UoDvpU
Not recommended but buy at your own risk:
Generic Cheapest Copy: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DkT...
Also Sold on Amazon: amzn.to/4baj8Dj
Generic Cheap Magnetic Roller: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DeE...
Taidea Proyan Rolling Magnetic Sharpener: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DD7...
Rebranded version on Amazon: amzn.to/3y1kWjK
(Seriously: DO NOT BUY!) even those on Amazon are the same with a different logo, color, etc.
It carries the same bad abrasives as the first 2 and is also sold under various brand names:
5-in-one Rolling Sharpener, Aldi Pro, AierLian, Razorri, Tmasun, etc:
5-in-1 Rolling Sharpener Aluminium Version: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_Dma...
5-in-1 Rolling Sharpener: amzn.to/3xVpjwZ
AldiPro: amzn.to/4aP26en
TMASUN: amzn.to/4a2Fm9G
AierLian: amzn.to/3JC1Ovp
Prochop: amzn.to/3UB5GDk
Update: Once I fixed the prying problem to loosen one side, this roller also unscrews itself depending on what direction you roll. Making it just as bad as the other copycat's Roller 1 and 2 with the same problem but the roll was the best out of the 4 copies but miles away from the Horl 2.
All the same products under a different name, you get the point, buy at your own risk. Or just get the Original Horl 2: amzn.to/3UyBRTA
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - Intro
00:51 - Copycat Rolling Sharpener 1
02:15 - Copycat Rolling Sharpener 2
03:50 - Copycat Rolling Sharpener 3
05:33 - Copycat Rolling Sharpener 4
07:51 - Original Horl 2 Rolling Sharpener
09:14 - Do not buy the copies! - Навчання та стиль
*Update:* Once I fixed the prying problem on the 4th roller to loosen one side, this roller also unscrews itself depending on what direction you roll. Making it just as bad as the other copycats Roller 1 and 2 with the same problem but the roll was the best out of the 4 copies but miles away from the Horl 2.
wouldn't the rolling problem on all three be solved by some screw threadlocker?
@@GigaDavy91 there was one of the third rollers that had a thread glue on it at 04:40 The problem with all of them is also the spacing created for the body that Horl 2 has implemented in theirs. This results in a a less smooth roll (in comparison makes a huge difference). As that also deteriorates how much force can be applied for the roller to stop rolling entirely. Where the Orignal and the Worksharp (that I'm also testing not included in this video) all have been solved by adding spacing. You can apply more force to the knife's edge and it still will work.
If you apply less fork it will take a lot more time to get the work done and each stop is annoying.
Horl solution is a fixed metal example: 8:34 compared to the others that screw loose to replace the abrasives. that fixed metal has a tiny spacing applied for the body not to touch any sides and they probably have a special rubbing fitted inside the roller to make the roll smooth without any friction (Horl could not be unscrewed so I'm not sure if they have anything special in the body to create a frictionless roll).
The only roller that does the job well is currently Horl 2 and the Worksharp Rolling Sharpener where they have thought about the frictionless roll.
(Full transparency Horl 2 and the Worksharp have been sent over for review purposes, I will do a separate review of the pros and cons and will do a head-to-head video about those 2 since none of the copies got it right).
@@GigaDavy91 Another key factor is the replacing problem of the abrasives if you glue it in place they need a new solution in terms of replacing abrasives. roller #3 had it correct and Roller #2 failed with the magnetic attachment Worksharp for example with their magnetic solution had done that concept right.
Worksharp included indents for easier removal and replacement. And the magnets were a lot stronger compared to Roller #2 fixing that problem.
So this is why I'm so surprised that none of the copies got it correct while if they actually had the Horl 2 or the Worksharp they would immediately know what is wrong with their versions. But those shown here are resold under various brand names and rebranded with slight adjustments.
Update: out of curiosity I bought a cheap imitation and it works perfectly, it was badly screwed but just tightening one time was enough for it to not loosen anymore.
The only problem is that I have only a fine grain and a coarse grain sharpeners in mine, but no honing surface.
But to be fair it is much faster and easier to learn how to use a honing rod, and it is better to have a fine grain to have less scratches on the surface of the edge of the blade.
I sharpened 3 knives already and I had no problem with any unscrewing piece, and no problem with the magnets.
If you have a longer knife it is better and advised to sharpen in multiple sections, and I got a result as good as using a whetstone, that is enough for any home cook.
I might have been lucky, but luckily Amazon has a good return policy and if you are less lucky than me you can just return it and get your money back...
Glad to hear that you found one that works. As said in the video each of them will work how well they work is a different story. Just like the tolerance of the pressure that you can apply varies a lot. But there is certainly a place for the rolling sharpeners.
So, number 3 is good if you just add a spacer between the main body and the wheels? This sounds like an interesting option
Very useful! Thanks for review
A full review is coming soon, along with the pros and cons. And another rolling knife sharpener from Worksharp will follow shortly after.
Wonderful video! I'm looking to get a Horl myself since it has a much lower learning curve than a whetstone. Time>Money.
There are some slight limitations or cons but overall a good product for home usage. And it indeed removes the need to learn a skill. I also have heard that many with physical conditions are not able to use the whetstone method. Like skin problems, RSI, injury etc. Making this a good product for them. (I'm almost done finalizing the review but it also replaced the need of a honing rod)
What about Tumbler? I've been using them, they're alright.
I have not tried the Tumbler so I can't comment on that. I have tested the Worksharp one that one is good too full reviews of both the Horl and Worksharp rolling sharpener coming soon. With both with it's pros and cons.
The lack of attention to detail when making seemingly simple items is still the achilles heel of Chinese manufacturing.
We Chinese can design and make smartphones, warplanes, satellites and space stations just fine, but a rolling sharpener, nope! lol
If they only had an R&D department before mass production........ I mean why can a well-known brand manufacturer in China, Vietnam, Thailand, India, etc make quality products? They oversee and provide all the details and design plans to the manufacturer the exact reason for those designs is basically unknown to the manufacturer and they also do Q&C on the final production.
Same with the angles included why 18 and 22 degrees?? If they actually had an R&D they would definitely opt for 17 and 25 degrees.
But the 4 copies I tested have been rebranded into many brand names for the exact same product.
I'm really surprised by the results too as it looks so simple! The product looks simple and yet none of the ones I tested came close very surprised by it. Not to mention the countless other copies with slight modifications. (one looking like a Dumbell......etc)
@@chefpanko Manufacturing in places like Vietnam, Indonesia and even Thailand is miles behind China in terms of quality, and also cost (even though the cost of labor is cheaper). Much of what you see labelled as "Made in Vietnam" is actually mostly made in China. The only exceptions are with textiles and wood products. Anything that requires specialized tooling or tech components is made in China.
As for why Chinese companies struggle with these seemingly simple products, it just has to do with a culture that stresses speed and output over attention to detail.
@@theredbar-cross8515 The current shift is interesting to see where many newly opened manufacturing plants there are opened by Chinese manufacturers with basically their manufacturing side in China being copied towards Vietnam etc. However, I have seen some brands opening their own manufacturing locations there which would be an interesting shift. (not to forget some brands order custom parts from China and send them to one of the other countries for the assembly process, which is also a smart strategy, some use that since they don't want their entire R&D being copied by one manufacturer that may or may not breach a contract).
But Manufacturing aside, the biggest part is the actual R&D, and prototyping before finding or opening a manufacturing side. R&D part has become easier due to 3D printing creating multiple prototypes and then using manufacturing custom molding for mass-production. Not only that overseeing the final production is also key in terms of just copying and selling as much as you can with the Dropshipping landscape or Amazon FBA where various dropshippers or unknown brands open an Amazon FBA account and directly ship to Amazon warehouses.
The interesting part is most new brands with no R&D and sell OEM's standard designs are competing against other Amazon FBA or Dropshippers and competing against the manufacturer as we know that many of those manufacturers have umbrella brands for the exact same products. With the landscape of selling and selling fast, those brands will eventually stop selling and move to the next big thing to copy and sell under a new brand name.
But yeah China is indeed in the speed output but the product tested in this video feels like prototypes or unfinished products without R&D.
That being said as I mainly review knives most of the time and Chinese-made knives, the future is bright! I'm currently testing the QSP kitchen knives that are made in China, finished filming the first impression video but not sure if I will upload it. But for a brand known for its pocket knives, their attempt on the kitchen knife market really surprised me in a good way! More about that shortly as I never heard of QSP since I'm not into pocket knives, but based on first impressions, it feels like they have been making kitchen knives for a long time. (so very exciting to see competition rising, and very interesting to see a brand known for their pocket knives being able to transition to kitchen knives like they have been making kitchen knives for years).
But with the rolling knife sharpeners.... it feels like when I first started reviewing Chinese-made kitchen knives when I had trouble finding the golden nuggets with a lot of bad apples trying to sell you cheaply made knives for a quick profit.
It is strange as I'm currently also finalizing the review of the Worksharp Rolling Sharpener and guess what they have done it right! Another Rolling Sharpener I actually can recommend do I wish I could recommend more yes, but I also know I can't recommend anything unless I have actually tested it, since 4 out of the 5 reviewed in this video, I actively feel obligated to warn people about the 4 copies/imitations that are sold rebranded to various brand names and sites/marketplaces with here and there a slight color variation or logo shift or an extra item, with what I know now in terms of how good rolling sharpeners can be after testing the Horl 2 and Worksharp Rolling Sharpener I simply can't recommend the 4 in this video.
Sure some pros and cons will be discussed in the full review, but in terms of the roll and how the roll actually performs and feels combined with the ease of use, those 4 copies do not come close to Horl 2 or the Worksharp Rolling Sharpener. But when I know how much the wiggle room can be by how much force you press the roller on the knife edge and the Roller still rolls is quite big. I was barely touching the blade and it stopped rolling (on all 4 imitations) it needed a very light touch but compared to both Horl 2 and Worksharp Roller there was a huge difference in how much force could be applied compared to the other 4 and it still rolled. This not only adds speed to the grind it is also more effective than a tiny tickle on the copies that stop if pressed slightly harder. Hence the Fidget spinner example still rolls but extremely bad and brakes on each roll if (In terms of Rollers: pressed a tiny bit harder on the knife it stops rolling) rendering the concept of a fidget spinner's fun factor useless.
also even the cheapest knockoff are overpriced... so better just to use a whetstone
The concept of rolling sharpeners is very interesting but I agree very pricey. If you know how to sharpen then you don't need one but the target audience is a factor to consider ie; the average home cook who doesn't know all the ins and outs. Not to forget some medical conditions that prevent people from using a whetstone like injuries, skin problems, etc.
For that reason alone I think that the category of Rolling sharpeners is here to stay, the prices eventually will go down. The copies might or might not catch up but for now, the 4 tested here are far away from being considered good compared to the Horl 2 and the one I'm almost done testing the Worksharp rolling sharpener.
But there are pros and cons for the rolling sharpening category that I will cover in the full review.
PS: for transparency, Workksharp and Horl 2 were sent over for review purposes. Do I wish the copies were better? Absolutely! Unfortunately, they are not.
@@chefpanko yep but also the average home cook doesn't have a lot of money, so most people would either buy the knockoff or the whetstone, and if the whetstone is more reliable that is imho the way
thanks for screening all this junk.
I hope I could help more people who were considering buying copies. Since the difference is night and day. The product in itself looked so simple and yet none of the 4 I tested could come close in ease of use and functionality.
The original is however priced very high and currently also testing an alternative from the Worksharp rolling knife sharpener, I can already tell that it does not contain any drawbacks the 4 copies had in this video, which is more comparable with the magnetic ones due to Worksharp magnetic solution review of that one and comparison against the Horl 2 will be coming once I have tested it more.
Looks extremely dangerous to use for stupid people.
Or just learn how to sharpen on stones.