Do Voice Types Really Matter? (Video Essay)
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- Опубліковано 10 чер 2024
- Soprano, alto, mezzo-soprano, contralto, baritone, tenor, bass... let's talk!
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0:00 An alto or a soprano? A tenor or a bass?
0:17 About fach system
0:56 Soprano
1:38 Mezzo-Soprano
2:16 Contralto
3:01 Alto?
3:19 Tenor
3:57 Baritone
4:46 Bass
5:01 And there's more!
5:31 Voice type system is not a bible!
6:45 The importance of training
8:06 Can your voice type change?
8:20 Do voice types matter and should we care?
8:32 What's your voice type? Mine is...
8:58 Outro
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I feel like as a baritone it's really hard to sing along to pop songs, even singers like John Legend and Scott, yes they are baritone but they can arguably go much higher than the average baritone
Scott is a Tenor who tries to be a Baritone so thats probs why he is struggling
It is not much harder. Range is a skill. A lot of people are misclassified as baritones due to not finding the right approach of hitting high notes, and sometimes it also happens the other way around. Baritones being called tenors due to having the right approach of hitting high notes. It is very possible for a baritone to develop an usable C5 with a lot of practice given the right approach. There's many examples even in classical, where standards are much higher.
@@grandeflamesbutera3949 He's a baritone with a ridiculously high larynx. He is not a good example of good technique of high range.
@@KajiVocals Oh I didn't know he is actually a Baritone. I thought that was something UA-cam claimed & HE!! stuck with it
@@KajiVocals Post evidence of "very possible baritone usable C5" because you think Teddy Pendergrass is a baritone and it shows you don't know what a baritone from a heavy tenor is. There's also not "many examples" in classical, you'd have to cherrypick the absolute best baritones in history and even then it was not something they did seriously on stage whatsoever, which is why there are no real serious performances of such.
People should understand that they cannot use this video to classify their voice. We always recommend people to see vocal instructors in order to learn the basics of their voice and then to find vocal coaches to keep that consistency and to improve their weaknesses. Just because you cannot sing high or low notes doesn't mean you base your voice type on what you cannot do. Vocal instructors are able to classify the voice by finding your tessitura (which is where your voice is the most conformable). As we get older our voices change and keep developing: for men our voices get deeper, and for woman their voices get more raspy.
It is hard to classify children since they all have high voices. However, once they are around 14-16 it is much easier to classify their voices and find their tessitura. Again if you want to classify your voice find a vocal instructor and don't just go by your own ear.
Precisely. Range does not make a voice type. You can find many low voices with genuine high range, and high voices with lows that put those lower voices to shame. It is a SKILL.
i see it this way: we dont really need it but it can be useful in certain contexts. vocal fach is a tool in order to help folks determine vocal repertoire and give people a general idea of what someone’s voice sounds like and how it operates. but they dont have to set firm unmovable boundaries on vocal expectations or goals.
This!! You’re absolutely right!
What about that raspy voice in rock music ? like GNR and ACDC @@aintnootherfan
I love Ariana voice and Beyoncé
Beyoncé lately has been sounding very light and settled like before she had kids I’m in love with it
I wish I was a contralto I don’t know what my voice type is though 😅
Beyoncé hasn’t really sounded that light if you actually listen to her tour stuff recently. It’s just Renaissance that she sings like that on she still sings her old songs normally
I personally love how her voice deepend a little, it sounds fuller and more natural
if you're a woman you're probably a soprano and if you're a man you're probably a tenor
@@ishathakor no most men are Baritones
@@Shadow2pointO I think most men are actually tenor, underdeveloped tenor to be more specific
For me as a singer/songwriter, it's more about vocal colors. Like how the same song sang by different voices can sound happier, sadder, etc. Getting Ariana Grande to sing "Baby" made it feel more youthful than if Beyonce was to sing it (I heard she was an option to give it to). I'm sure she could sing it but It would've been so different, not just style but in sound/essence. Also when collabing that's something I would have to consider.
I would love to hear Beyoncé singing Baby I, like with her 4 album tone/technique, it would have a totally different vibe but she would slay it
Ariana's low notes are so underrated. They're so good considering how high her voice is naturally
but her talking voice is low
so i guess her natural tones is low
don’t kid yourself there non existent and background noise they fit the harmony of what she needs in the song
Girl pls her voice is just light, not high 💀
@@skydendy97No, She lowers it manually to try and strengthen her lower range.
Ariana said it herself. The first part of her voice to go is her lower range. Her upper range is always there.
See, I never thought that she had a naturally high voice. It always sounds extremely forced when she sings high.
Beyonce and P!nk's high notes are really good considering that they are mezzo sopranos. And Ariana's low notes are so underrated. They are very good considering how high her voice is naturally.
They do matter, but nowhere near as much as people think, especially for female voices. Female voices sit very close together in terms of range and tessitura (it's like a single semitone gap between most pop sopranos and mezzos, maybe a full step at most), regardless of voice type. Also, in my opinion, lot of the famous "mezzos" in pop music are actually sopranos (Beyonce). People don't understand that vocal timbre can be manipulated (to a degree). Whenever there is a female singer who sings with a lower larynx position (which darkens the sound) most people automatically assume it's a mezzo (Amy Lee being one of the most common examples). But it doesn't really matter too much anyway because female voices are surprisingly flexible and interchangeable. That's why you see contraltos who had also been singing as sopranos. That's a 2 voice type gap! You'll never see that with trained male voices
Someone gets it
You do know that Beyonce worked directly with an opera singer for 11 years. He is very unwavering that she is and was a mezzo soprano.
David Lee Brewer, btw. She even spoke about him in an interview done last year.
@@zazzilady do you know how many opera singers told me I was a baritone when I was taking voice lessons as a beginner? (I'm as tenor as it gets) Opera singers and voice teachers say dumb shit all the time. Also, like I said, there isn't really that much of a different with female voices. A darker voiced soprano can realistically train to sing as a lower voice
@@giannis_tar I agree that many voice teachers, especially yt "coaches", mistype. But David Lee Brewer isn't a YT degreed voice coach. He's a real teacher. There's a reason why DC was compared to esteemed girl groups such as En Vogue upon arriving Their harmonies were tight and their voices were typed and arranged well. David was great at coaching the soprano, Letoya and the alto, Latavia. He truly left no doubt in his memoir that the mezzo soprano of the group was Beyonce and that she was easily a young coloratura.
Also, Kelly's voice was considered to be higher than Beyonce's, and according to him had great potential. However, she had low confidence due to the situation she was in.
He did emphasize that Bey was a child prodigy. She could hear things others couldn't and she was lightning fast in understanding and also, vocally, she had no rival in speed.
The WRITINGS ON THE WALL was DC at it's best vocally. So I don't understand DLB being downplayed as inadequate. Listen to the acapella version of Bills, Bills, Bills and Say My Name. Their voices were arranged PERFECTLY. Letoya sat on top. Latavia on the bottom. Beyonce and Kelly pulled in the middle ( with Kelly singing second soprano). Bey was the MEZZO.
Also, David was friends/ has worked with the likes of Grace Bumbry.
Indeed women seem to have more flexible voices than men do and that's why many sopranos can sing mezzo and contralto roles and easily get away with it.
8:15 Mariah was so beautiful here ❤
Music box era!
i can’t easily sing the choruses/bridges of most pop songs being an alto which sucks. but singers get so much hate especially in kpop when their voices are scratchy during high notes, even when the notes are clearly out of their comfortable range, it’s so frustrating
Same here. As a contralto, there's frustratingly little I can sing because very few songs actually fall into the typical contralto range, even if pitched up or down an octave. Trying to figure out how to sing anything takes so much trial and error because my timbre throws me off more than even the range itself.
The best video on voice types that I have seen so far. Thank you for being clear and accurate with what these types are and how much they do/don't matter. ...and why.
yes!!!
Seriously zayn high notes is outstanding ❤❤❤ his voice very unique he is very underrated
thank you for emphasizing that chen's lower register is actually really developed. people like to put him in a box saying that being a great vocalist isn't always about high notes, and now this just proves that chen excels in so many other parts of singing
I think because of the parts he’s typically given within Exo songs a lot of people have labelled him a 1 trick high note pony when that is not the case at all. I have seen people say ‘all he does is screech’ when all they have to do is listen to some of his solo work to hear how gorgeously well developed the other areas of his voice are as well.
*Trends I've noticed in the Vocal Community regarding voice classification:*
1. Claims that one has to sound like a low-voiced woman in her 60s in order to be a Mezzo-Soprano and that almost every female singer & vocalist in mainstream music is a Soprano and there are barely any Mezzo-Sopranos.
2. Claims that one is a Soprano if they can belt an F5.
3. Claims that almost every male singer & vocalist in mainstream music is a Tenor and there are barely any Baritones.
4. Attempts to gatekeep certain voice types and subtypes yet use others eg. The same people who say one can't use "Coloratura" for mainstream singers because one has to "exclusively sing high notes in head voice", will gladly use Lyric Soprano, Sopranino etc. and refer to belting high notes as a means of classification, as if Lyric Sopranos in Opera do not also exclusively sing high notes in head voice
5. Using made up terms like "High Soprano, Mid Soprano, Low Soprano" in an attempt to add more Mezzo-Sopranos to the Soprano classification and gatekeep certain subtypes which only leads to more confusion. Eg. "Patti Labelle, Lisa Fischer, Ariana Grande, Tori Kelly, Whitney, Jennifer Hudson are high Sopranos" yet these women sound very different and their voices do not sit in the same place.
The examples you gave for the different voice types are completely spot on.
Beyonce, Faouzia, Gaga, Adele etc. are Mezzo-Sopranos.
Timbre and vocal weight plays a role but tessitura is also very significant.
@Ain'tNoOtherFan Your consistency in various areas (providing great content regularly, not using double standards etc.) is truly appreciated appreciated!
To those who are making the claims highlighted from #1 - #5, the double standards and attempts at gatekeeping when it comes to voice classifications are unproductive; *keep the same energy.*
9:01 *_Agile Baritone has joined the chat_*
Well... Most of Mezzo repertoire is written for women sounding like an old lady in her 60s, a witch, or a sexy woman in her 40s LOL edit: there ain't no way, Gaga is a Mezzo. She knows how to darken her voice by lowering her larynx. Listen to her singing "Brown eyes" in 2009, or even her acoustic "Gypsy". That's clearly not how a Mezzo would sound. Beyoncé has probably just become a Mezzo. For most of her life she was a soprano. Adele? She also matured into a Mezzo, I agree
There are tons of mezzos... and even contraltos. You just rarely ever talk about them :) I do not mind having a conversation and sharing many, many, many examples, some of which will even have a pretty consistent belting range above an F... you just refuse to have a conversation everytime I tried to. There's been 10 or more times I tried to get in contact with you, yet you always escape the topic somehow.
Me when I lie. High Soprano & Low Soprano / High Tenor & Low Tenor are actually terms used in Musical Theatre / Classical Music to determine what they are comfortable singing. Some tenors are naturally higher than others hence why they are called a High Tenor because their vocal set is higher & some tenors have a lower set than most Tenors. Same goes for Soprano. Did u think this clearly at all or did u just type expecting likes because the terms u just tried to insult are pretty basic 🤣🤣
@@KajiVocals exactly. Teach the kids! 👏🏼
Terminology such as high soprano, average soprano (medium placement), low soprano have existed since the... 1700s. You can find it in books by Lamperti, Garcia, Marchesi, Stockhausen or even more contemporary likes of Lilli Lehmann or even more modern Richard Miller. It refers simply to the tessitura of the voice... There are sopranos that are lower-placed, more averagely placed and higher-placed, and even higher placed (sopranino/soprano-sopracuto). It is not my fault that people misuse these terms though and label everyone who can sing high as high soprano though. But it also proves imprudent and fallacious, given the vast divergence in their singing styles, vocal coordination techniques, and inherent individuality to compare these singers. It is also silly however on your end to use this as an argument as you also seem to ignore those same criteria.
another good example of a Contralto voice is Toni Braxton.
By the way, you should make a video on singers who's voices have drastically changed, like how Rihanna and Beyonce have significantly deeper voices than earlier in their careers.
Tony isn’t a Contralto. She is a Mezzo who loves to lower her larynx to get a more darker / foggier tone
She’s nowhere near contralto…
She's a contralto. Don't listen to them. You don't need to sing in the second octave to be one. A big myth.
@@zazzilady But your voice does need to be set like one 🤗 She is very far from a contralto. If you want to hear a contralto singing in a similar range to Toni try Carrie Smith or Millie Jackson.
@@KajiVocals
Looking at the keys, her voice is set like one.
Also, Toni has worked with professional voice coaches and her mother sang opera. Why wouldn't she know her own voice type? I read a phone interview of hers where she reiterated her classification. She calls herself a contralto and she is one by my estimation.
I saw Zayn, I clicked
Me too❤
I'd love to see a video of you talking about those vocal tiers used in the kpop community based on "supported range" (I'm so annoyed by people using them, I don't have words to describe)
If that actually makes you angry, then you need to step back and re-evaluate yourself.
@@SuperPianogirl123 Not sure where you see anger in that comment. Annoyance and anger are very different emotions. KVA appears to suffer from significant issues and limitations in its approach to analysing voices. One prominent concern is its misuse and misapplication of voice pedagogy terminology, particularly the term 'support.' By inaccurately employing and interpreting such terminology, KVA may mislead users and provide a flawed understanding of vocal technique. And to be frank, much of their terminology is misapplied as well by both supporters of the system and its creators.
Furthermore, one of the system's inherent flaws lies in its attempt to pit singers against each other for comparison, despite their inherent differences. Singers possess unique vocal characteristics, including tone, timbre, range, and stylistic preferences, making direct comparisons between them an inherently flawed and arbitrary exercise. Such comparisons oversimplify the complexity and individuality of artists' voices, reducing them to a mere numerical or comparative ranking. This not only undermines the artistic diversity within the vocal industry but also fails to acknowledge the subjective nature of vocal preferences and the multifaceted aspects of musical expression.
Additionally, while it is possible to analyse voices online without direct interaction, it requires a deep level of familiarity with both vocal technique and the specific instrument being assessed. Such familiarity can be attained through meticulous study of the voice, encompassing comprehensive listening of discography and live performances, as well as gaining insights from the singers' own comments and interviews. By assimilating this extensive knowledge, an evaluator can develop a more informed perspective on a singer's abilities and vocal qualities.
@@SuperPianogirl123 Maybe what annoys me is the amount of fanwars that because of a made up vocal tier by some teenager with no real validation. But I'll re-evaluate this character flaw of mine, don't worry
@@bro8627 I am with you, teenagers acting like professionals. What’s funny is they will discredit an actual professional or experienced adult.
@@KajiVocals Annoyance leads to anger and if you are so annoyed that you can’t find words to describe your feelings, then anger is not far away. Why are you still talking about KVA? We haven’t been active for about 7 or 8 years. You’re writing three full paragraphs about things that don’t even matter anymore. None of us even engage with this community anymore and yet we’re still the topic of conversation despite more people quoting Diva Devotee than us.
You have greatly, greatly helped me musically. Thank you.
LOVED THIS 🤍I am in my mid-teens so my voice has only just started to change. Judging from the weight and colour of my voice, my tessitura, etc., I would consider myself a mezzo-soprano because I am comfortable low but I am not that comfortable below C3 and I am rather comfortable in my mid-range and the lower part of my upper register as well. I think my range is similar to that of JoJo or Beyoncé because it's slightly higher than that of the average mezzo-soprano but not high enough for me to be a soprano.
Also, I strongly believe that Cher is a mezzo-soprano. She often depresses her larynx to create that androgynous sound that we all know and love but she is evidently not comfortable enough in her lower register to be a contralto. Her low notes are still quite good but can get a bit breathy and are weaker than those of the average contralto. And JHud is 100% a spinto-soprano. It's not very common in pop music but she is still one, simply because her voice is big but not big enough for her to be a dramatic soprano. She also has more vocal flexibility than dramatic sopranos like Patti LaBelle and Monica Naranjo do.
Also, if anyone knows Lana Del Rey's true voice type, please let me know. I think she's a mezzo-soprano because she has a very rich, dark and warm lower register and decent mid-belts when she is putting in effort and her head voice is also intact, albeit underdeveloped.
You can wonder about later voiced Cher but Cher in the 60-80s was a great example of a mezzo... and one with a high belt and high head voice at that.
Lana is a soprano with very lazy approach to singing in general, but her timbre, high head voice, natural height of her voice all screams soprano for me, don't forget that she's a smoker, also used to drink a lot + she loves to change her tone into that velvety one, which is why Born To Die album was crazy popular back in days, but if you actually pay attention - she isn't very comfortable singing low, it's muffled, while in her good days she can belt all the way up to F#5, which is extremely high for an untrained mezzo (if we assume she's the one)
So, in my opinion, Lana is an untrained (and lazy) soprano with not so great lifestyle habits
@@lightning0506 I don’t think a mezzo singing a light belt up to F-sharp is unusual. It all depends on the genre of course. In gospel or soul it’s pretty common.
@@KajiVocals Sure, but in terms of what Lana can and can't do, it's pretty obvious she isn't a mezzo, even with all of her other facets, I just don't hear mezzo quality in her voice whatsoever, especially when she was younger and damage from smoking wasn't as obvious
@@lightning0506 Actually, Lana sounds very comfortable singing low. It isn’t muffled at all. In fact, her low notes are very well-projected down t C#3/D3. But you’re right, she’s probably an untrained soprano.
Yass My Favorite Idol Zayn's Bb4 Sustained Belt 3:51 - 3:54❤
Please please PLEASE do a video about how important vocal styles are and how they affect music and how big of a role it plays in garnering audiences.
8:32 I easily knew you were a Baritone from the few singing clips you'd out generally at the end of your videos
ALSO I *LOVE* THIS VIDEO!!! It's basically most what I want I wanna share with people when explaining voice typing, especially for contemporary singeres and you explain it all so well. It rlly felt like you just reached into my brain and pulled out points for the video 😂❤
I'm aslo a Baritone, btw
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed this one!
sending some baritone love :)
He's not a baritone, lmao
Typical tenor, probably one of the most typical I've heard, just untrained
I am a Tenor. I naturally have more resonance brightness and feel the most agile in my upper register (Mixed Voice and Head Voice/Falsetto). People classified me as a Leggero Tenor but I'd like to stick with just Tenor. x) Awesome video!
Who classified you as a leggero tenor, and do you sing classical?
@@KajiVocals My vocal coach yeah, I was classically trained. And other opera singers I met said that as well.
@@qlimax95 Ok, that's fair then. If you were a pop singer, I'd be side eyeing you. That being said, I'm not sure how do you not see faults in this video considering you are classically trained.
Voice type matters in Pop Music. This is why, as a low baritone, I tend to sing classic ballads because they make my voice blossom, especially my mid-belts and low notes (e.g., Exchange of Hearts & Be My Lady). My tessitura is between F#2-Eb4/E4.
After voice change around 15 my voice before training set in the baritone range but when I took classes I found that I'm a lyric tenor... With more classes n training I find my vocal range growing n growing where I can now hit a D#5 ! So I believe it's only a matter of training n developing ones instrument 💕
The more one trains n develop their instrument the more registers , notes and colors can one master .
Someday when I am in better financial circumstances I will pay for a singing lesson and train with the help of a professional to discover my range and learn vocal techniques in the best way possible. Without singing lessons when it comes to my vocal range, in the low register I don't go lower than F2 (without forcing) and if I do force it it's one note less (E2) and in the high register I only reach Bb3 ( chest voice) and in head voice I reach D5 without forcing or hurting my voice.
But I know that if I train I can improve my range meanwhile I'm going to keep thinking that I'm supposed to be a bass.
@@romanobr that is impressive bruhh ✨the second octave is a struggle for me
I went to different teachers, some said I am a tenor with developed lows, some claimed I'm a bari with good mix. However, one sweet day I noticed that vocal pitch monitor used to show me F#5s and G5s sometimes when I sang resonant F#4s and G4#, that made me analyse the spectrums and I noticed that the second formant is stronger than the first one these notes. Long story short, I'm high baritone and happy to sing where the nature told me to.
As for the singers people actually care about - there's no matter which voice type do you have as long as Max Martin knows who you are and writes for you.
Huh, notes showing up an octave higher is not indicative of a voice type. Just an acoustic strategy or sometimes simply faults in the tuner :) And the last sentence is kinda silly. And you sound like a tenor in all the clips I listened to. Your vocal density says a lot. Even though you also audibly lighten.
@@KajiVocals I indicated where my sweet spot is and it's close to where baritones shine. Also, think that good music makes you succeed more than a voice type. And yes, I agree with what you said about me sounding like tenor, density and lightening, all on point.
This video was so helpful. I still can't truly say where I fall naturally. Some songs fell better in alto range,while others feel more comfortable in soprano range😂. However,my ear is drawn to baritones. It's just molasses laden to me.
I'm a Light-Lyric Tenor that can do melismas and make changes of color in the voice depending the style of music genre but i can actually do well in mix voice now because i been practicing in the last 4 years , my head voice in more a classical style when i heard it i can do it at 15 years olds i was like wow about it and reach to Whistles the first i do one was when i was singing ''Soar''. by Christina Aguilera then i love doing it back to back sometimes to do itbbut i trained my lower register too but that part sounds okay i can go lower like a Baritone and even Bass but i need more training in that area of my voice my vocal teacher in that time say to me one time your high Tenor even though i a good arsenal of good low notes it was my weakest area and still i practice to develop more the area
I've always been a natural contralto, as in I can sing best in the D3 - E5 range. But being a natural contralto I've always had that kind of low, deep, not-so-feminine singing voice I've never really liked since I was a child. So for the past 20 years I've worked on making my singing voice sound light, girly-childish, so much so that people often mistake my voice for a soprano (though I never sing in that vocal range). And ISTG my voice's texture also changes depending on where on my menstrual cycle I am atm.
And that's why I think that it's not right to portray contraltos as those female voices with the "androgynous" sound. LIke, yes, some definetely have that aspect, but some don't, and that makes them think that they have to sing in higher registers just because they don't sound like tomboys.
Voice doctors (idk their name in English) and vocal coachs say that your voice can change until you're 21 for natural hormonal reasons. It's like that change you during puberty, in fact it happens more than one time but the other times after that are less noticeable in your speaking voice, only singers who are being overseen by a voice teacher or a vocal coach notice those changes. You're only definitely a tenor or a baritone for example after you hit 21, at leat for boys. Me, I used to be a baritone but i started singing lessons when i was 16 and now my teacher says I'm s straight tenor, but my voice hasn't done maturing yet so it can change in the future, but it's very likely to not change
Really i just knew that wow😮. Bice info
Baritones being the most common voice type is the biggest MYTH ever. It is far more common to see TENORS whether they are voice teachers, students, famous singers, popular youtube/tiktok singers, just my experiences as a voice teacher myself who has observed everything in university, performers, famous recording artists and been around different backgrounds like opera, pop, theater, rock, etc. The last time I calculated the percentage of tenor students I have compared to baritones/basses, it was literally 73% and that was end of last year--I've already had taught more tenors since then. Almost all who even CLAIM to be a baritone teacher on youtube are just tenors (yes famous channels), and a large number of famous opera singers today are just badly trained tenors. People need to understand that during the time of the earliest recorded evidence we have of actual baritones, the opera singers from the early to mid 1900s, baritones were trained by baritone teachers or lower voice men (greats like Antonio Cotogni, etc). Who do we listen to today for voice typing lower voices, whether it's in universities or here on youtube? Nothing but a bunch of tenors and sopranos, and even the ones that claim to be otherwise are usually badly trained tenor/soprano teachers or students. It is a structural/institutional issue with false "authorities" on the matter of voice typing, and rarely anyone even gets educated properly anymore on baritones or can even name you any operatic baritone from those days.
So yes voice types do matter, because how many claim to be "altos/mezzos" or "baritones" who are just sopranos/tenors that simply do not get the right training to belt in their upper range? A lot, and today in opera/theater you can claim to be a "high baritone" or "lyric baritone" and get away with just about anything. For any serious minded singer/athlete, this is in insulting beyond comprehension. It's the same reason why majority of people did not like Lia Thomas swimming against biological women, it was just unfair and not only hurt the very hard working biologically female athletes but awarded someone who was undeserving of praise and credit. The singing world is chock full of excuses and misinformation and just know that a lot of the stuff you hear circulating around is nothing but word of mouth misinformation by badly educated higher voice teachers/singers and not actually anyone who even has a lower voice. It is far easier to just take a badly trained lower tenor and pretend they are a "baritone" than to actually train a baritone to be high level, and so teachers and the professional singing industry are totally OK with just doing this.
I thought tenors being common in musical industries and as teachers was more of a cultural/societal expectation and not biological?
For example, that most men's voice types are baritone but only those with tenor voices usually get praised or recognized for talent and so pursue singing and etc
@@brendan6555 people liking high notes more plays a part, however I'm specifically talking about how male singers in theater/opera are actually claiming and hired to be "baritones" when they are tenors, and so are the tenor teachers claiming and hired to be "baritones" so it's not simply a matter of people thinking "tenors are better so we'll hire them more". In those contexts they are actually looking for baritones. There's no proper scientific studies on the actual commonality of baritones to tenors, etc. And there likely never will be a well conducted study because most studies on voice typing in singers are flawed when they rely on one professor/director's voice classification opinion of the subjects used in the research (such as when they measured vocal cord and vocal tract size differences between voice types, and even the scientists that conducted this study wrote in the end that their own findings may be completely invalidated if that ONE professor/director's opinion is actually incorrect).
so I can only tell you based on personal experience (but I pay extremely close attention to this on a day to day basis) and other legitimate baritone teachers' or singer's experiences that the claim is very off. If we factored in all men, including non-singers, then the number of baritones would definitely be higher than what we see in singers, but as to how much higher or whether it is more common than tenors (I doubt it), it is difficult to say without any real studies on this subject. Sometimes I pay attention to the speech habits/pitch of athletes or actors or any random situation I hear a man speaking and more often than not, they have typical tenor speaking pitches (and yes this is factoring in their speech habits).
@@youngornitier It's a weird thing, but I completely agree, same thing actually happens to me all the time. I also heard that "Baritone is the most common voice type" thing all the time, until I started ACTUALLY paying attention to other men's voices and...I heard like 3! GENUINE baritone voices in my ENTIRE LIFE. ZERO BASSES. Of course, I'm not the most sociable person ever, but I'm paying attention on daily basis, just like you do and it's a common thing.
Also, important thing to notice, that without specific vocal training, your speech habits might be affected as well, my speaking voice used to be a bit lower, when I was untrained, while now it's higher, cause my comfortable belting range has increased as well
Not even talking about socially awkward traditions about "baritones sound more manly = better = I'm gonna just imitate that manly voice all the time"
Personally, I have a high tenor voice, with passagios around E4/A4, when my voice is healthy (I do suffer from GERD, which affects my voice most of the time), but I used to think I was a baritone as well, while in reality I was just suffering from chronic laryngitis, lmao, so health issues might be the reason in your voice problems
That and bias factors in. I did drama and theatre. I've heard baritones and Mezzos singing their asses off and singing notes all up and down the scale but no one seems to bat an eyelash. But a run of the mill generic light soprano/light tenor comes along and suddenly no one can shut up. My biggest pet peeve is the classic "omg (insert generic light soprano) has such good low notes". That one pisses me off the absolute most 🤦 half they time they aren't even singing low it's like A3 or B3 but just has an airy and soft tone. But watch someone actually come along and start singing *low* with some actual bass and strength in their voice and no one cares. It's just a trend of what's in right now. I studied music history in school pretty extensively and during the jazz and blues eras deep voices were en vogue. Loud belts, strong lows, volume in the middle register, were all highly valued, which are traits typical of deeper voices. In modern pop, sounding "sweet" or "nice", soft lows, and easy access to high falsetto are prized, which are typically traits of higher voices.
@@youngornitier It's interesting, I assumed since it was a commonly said thing that it was based on older research studies. I also just thought most men's speaking voices in my life sound like Baritone voices but I'm not an expert by any measures. It'd be interesting to have more in depth research done about this in an objective manner.
I’m am a very high tenor💀 my mix was very heady now very balanced. D2-A5-F#7(Bb8). Over time my tone and consistency improved way more than my past sound.
I’m a low tenor. Range is B1-C6-G#6. Inconsistent in higher fourth and lower fifth octave. Would like getting a loud belty sound no matter how high I go.
A lot of Mariah Careys here
@@_rafael_fr Never said the whistles were good. They are squeals at best.
Talk about Hozier in videos like this 🤩
Great video! I didn't even know about contralto. Can you please do a k-pop version?
Cause Contraltos are very VERY!! Rare & for some reason people think Cher is a Contralto cause of her heavy dark tone when its clear that when she talks, its a Soprano voice
@@grandeflamesbutera3949 Hmmm I guess they are basing it off of her singing voice.
There are no known contraltro kpop singers
@@purplesky99876 Oh really? Okay
@@grandeflamesbutera3949 cher is a mezzo, not a soprano lol. but yeah contralto is inaccurate for her
Quizá en pop hay pocas contraltos, pero en jazz y otros géneros hay bastantes: Laufey, Angelina Jordan, Samara Joy, Cécil McLorin Salvant, Charlotte Day Wilson... son algunas que recuerdo rápidamente
Não conheço as demais, porém Samara Joy é uma soprano muito óbvia.
well it's helpfull to not try to push one self too hard out their initial range when you are a beginner. Like for women and girls are expected to be able do "soprano" parts culturally, but without proper technic I have seen people hurting them self doing falsetos. Or not developing good lower tones because "must be able to sing high". I have met contraltos that where ashamed (even bullied) of them self for being "feminine enought".
I have a low range when not training enough so mezzo. But can steal a few notes from Sopranos. For me was actually good to not try to push myself to "be a soprano" and literally find my own voice.
Voice can change from light lyric to full lyric rather to mezzo soprano, its the size of the larynx and vocal cords.
I'm a lyric baritone and used to sing at a restaurant. I always tried to sing all the songs in my comfort range but the owner and costumers always tells me to sing higher cause my voice was too muddy and they couldn't hear what I sang. The reason for that was the microphone which isn't capturing the lower frequency well enough that my voice turned out like some mumbling rapper with no autotune and not Frank Sinatra. So yeah, knowing your voice type and understand how to work with it does matter.
P.S I'm too broke to buy a new microphone 😂
9:00 Byeee guuuys in F2 and runs
You opened this video with footage of Maria Callas!! ❤
I'm learning singing and i'm a soprano woman with an high pitched voice and i can do high notes easily but it was my difficilty to sing in my low register but i can now
3:32 wow didnt except for you to mention Chen😭😭 deserved tho that man hits C#5’s with ease..
I guess it's important to know which pop singers are what general classification for things like karaoke or covers. Not being able to sing comfortably in a tenor tessitura whilst being a baritone, isn't a fault of the individual but a biological limit, not knowing this would leave one to be disheartened or worse, damaging their voice. So I guess, in this case, it would be important to know.
It isn't. They do not sing in range that is dependent on voice type. And yes, it is largely a fault of technique or not having the right approach, and not biology. Baritone in classical is required a high A-flat. A high A-flat in classical voice would translate to a C or so in pop voice. Not saying they should have it... but it is very doable with practice.
@@KajiVocals I’m talking about the commoners those of us that want to sing like the ‘tenors’ we hear on the radio, trying to replicate the zayn Malik’s and Brendon Uries of the world for example
@@denzelatu4437 Practice makes perfect as people say. And knowing that to hit high notes you actually do not need much air pressure or pushing.
@@KajiVocals okay what about sustaining notes or multiple phrasing of high notes in the A4 - C5 range for extended periods ? take zayns’Pillowtalk’ , Brendon’s ‘High hopes’ , anything from Adam lamberts catalogue for example? A baritone wouldn’t be able to do that without fatiguing regardless of how good their technique is, so I would say biology is definitely a factor, which the fach system takes into account. Knowing what you are roughly ‘categorized’ as would help one not damage their voice or feel disheartened at the thought that they may have bad technique when really their voice isn’t built to be doing all that for such long periods, therefore foundational principles such as tessitura can still be applicable .
@@KajiVocals hell with this logic a natural 'contralto' should be able to belt anything in ariana grande's catalogue all day no problem, right?
Interesting content
Is there a way for me to know if i am a tenor or baritone i can go as low as an f2 but below that i dont feel comfortable belting range i can go up to am f2 more than that it takes effort head voice i can go till B6 and whistle register timm C7 so please someone tell me what voice type am i(F2-F4-C7)
Im a male i can go as low as eb2 and high as g5.
And i can carry support from f2 to c5 or c#5 sometimes and rarely d5
I say I'm a counter tenor
Im 16 btw
I'd say i'm a baritone, i naturally am much more comfortable in my lower range where i also find much more stability, and i struggle with my falsetto and head voice. And i know it's because i lack a real training not because of my voice type. I know i could go much higher if i trained.
That doesn’t make u a Baritone. It makes u underdeveloped. There are tons of Baritones on Broadway & in Opera who have killer high belts & head voice because of their training. Don’t use this video as evidence to voice classification as its very false
You could be a baritone or a tenor. Don't classify your voice unless you develop it more. It's counterproductive.
it's not a good idea to classify your voice type unless you have at least some type of training. if you struggle with falsetto and head voice, that's not an indicator of being a baritone, it's an indicator of being underdeveloped. regardless of what your voice type is, it shouldn't mean that you struggle with any vocal register. that fact that you do struggle with head voice just means that you need proper training, not that you have a lower voice type. if you want to classify your voice type wait until you develop it further first
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a cool example would be Ivan Rebroff and his ridiculous range "four and a half octaves, ranging from the soprano to bass registers." as Wikipedia said
Who is the singer @4:47!!
Please can you do a review of pop singers who make rock albums? Miley Cyrus and Demi Lovato comparison maybe? Sorry for keeping on asking ahaa
I am a Baritone (MAYBE an Untrained Tenor) with an approximate range from about a G2 to a G4 in chest voice with an extension to about a Bb5 in falsetto/head voice. I really want 2 be classified as a Tenor!!!!
it doesn't matter if you sing solo but when you do showdown or singing with anothet bunch of singer it matters Supranos and Tenor tend to outsing everybody cause they have higher bigger and louder voice
Not sure I agree
Im a bass, sooo the struggle is real trying to sing any male song above the f4 note
Pls can you analize FLO ?
Hi I Have a Question , I hope Somebody will Answer Accurately my Question, I am Solid Fan and Bias Stan of Idol Jessie J, But I am so Really Confuse of What's Idol Jessie J Vocal Type, Someone said she is Mezzo Soprano, Someone said she is Light - Lyric Soprano and etc. And I got different answers from anybody else lol, Can Somebody Explain to me What is Really Accurate Vocal Type of Idol Jessie J?❤ Thank You
I am not an expert but I guess she's a soprano. Her technique reminds me Celine's to certain extent. I guess both of them are sopranos
@@mysterg1361 You are spot on, both of them are Lyric Sopranos.
Jessie J is too high set to be anything but a Soprano. Jessie J has M1 B5’s like thats a high set soprano thing cause Patti Labelle, Aretha Franklin & Ariana can also do that. I hate the misinformation on UA-cam so much
4:48 what's the name of the singer?
I'm a Full Soprano but I usually like to sing in the mezzo range like F5s and G5s.
F5s and G5s are well within the soprano range. There is no definite range for a soprano. A lot of sopranos sing well into the second octave (and aren’t just a quiet puff of air).
F5-G5 in belt is very much soprano range.
That's cool ima Sopranino
@@SoulVelvet Oh, really? I thought it was mezzo range because that's like close to mezzo sopranos end range.
@@KajiVocals Oh I thought it was mezzo because that's where they usually end their range.
Mezzo soprano is sexy and so is Baritone.
You could have benefitted from using examples that would not create controversy. Or stick to singers who have actually been categorised by their teachers.
Kaji, Beyonce HAS been classified by her teacher.
The professional opera singer who lived with her and taught her for 11 years. David Lee Brewer wrote an entire book documenting her voice in great detail. He explicitly called her a mezzo soprano, more specifically, a coloratura and by his description, she was incredibly fast ( even as a teenager). He even took her to see Carmen as a child, which features a MEZZO SOPRANO as the lead in order to inspire her. And we know how that turned out.
I remember you deleting this from your Beyonce video. She has already been classified.
This is basic research.
@@zazzilady I could care less if I and many other people including teachers disagree. You can have a different opinion. Especially if your reasons are guided by study of classical. He was influential in giving her a lot of horrible voice technique habits earlier in her career, which she has fixed since.
She is a controversial example whether you or her former coach think she is a mezzo. The amount of people calling her soprano alone should tell you that...
@@KajiVocals Most people understand that she is mezzo soprano. When I listen to The Writings on the Wall, I hear amazing harmonies and a brilliant arrangement of song. A very good understanding of voice types. With Letoya Luckett as the high soprano, Kelly Rowland and Beyonce as middle glue and Latavia anchoring the sound. Mind you, they were specifically looking for a soprano prior to finding Luckett. They were looking for an alto, prior to finding Roberson. David helped guide them... and there was a seamless blend. Most videos online understand that Beyonce is a mezzo soprano, but there is a wealth of miseducation out there (and I include your channel as one of them).
@@zazzilady Interesting as almost every teacher and a professional vocalist I talked to about her called her a soprano. And this includes some of the people who actually influenced her singing… So call it ‘miseducation’. I call it enlightened. No way you’re going to call miss Knowles a similar voice type to the likes of Ebe Stignani/Elena Obraztsova in opera; and people like Mica Paris/Adele/Tina Turner or even later Jean Carne. It would be very illogical.
@@KajiVocals I mean...c'mon. David was the one who worked with them for that first big album This was the sound. He worked all of them. It wasn't just Beyonce. David was running the bootcamp we have the home videos for.
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Actually Faouzia isn't always a mezzo her instrument did lowered last year, two years ago she was still a mid soprano and Michael Buble is a tenor who prefers to stay in the lower and middle part of his tessitura. Also Cher couldn't be considered as a standard contralto, her instrument sits lower than an standard mezzo but still higher than a standard contralto, Ana Carolina and Alcione can be better choices. Regarding Annie Lennox, I'm not familiar enough with her instrument to make a conclusion. Meanwhile, P!nk is a soprano with great lows, everything about her timbre screams soprano and Jennifer Hudson is a spinto soprano, not dramatic.
Please don't kill me but I found the dancing inset on 2:40 funny😭
I thought I was a tenor from college until my early 30’s due to the registers that I could hit with as less effort as possible but a vocal coach corrected me as a baritone due to the timbre of my singing & spoken voice but she considered me as a belter.
I think im a bass and that explains why i struggle in Pop songs Because DAMN yall singing an octative higher than me😭
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I'm confused tbh lol. I was pretty convinced I'm a mezzo because I have a natural weight and richness in my lows that I don't think sopranos have and my voice starts blossoming at like F4-G#4. I also have a very obviously lower placed voice than most females I know. However, my vocal coach has called me a soprano and I did always have some natural comfort in the head voice register so I don't know anymore lol.
Maybe you’re just a lower soprano.
Doesn’t sound like a mezzo to me from your description. Nothing that isn’t soprano-like.
@@KajiVocals I mean, I haven't said much at all. I should probably mention that I'm still really young and my voice still has a bit of that child-like, bright, girly tone, especially when I belt. But I think my tendency is to lose those qualities and get progressively deeper and thicker. I've lost some of the natural ease I had in my higher range (I'm working to maintain those upper notes though) and gained ease in my lower register. You know how Lady Gaga sounded really different in her debut than she does now? I think the same thing is happening to me. I don't know if just aging can make you go from a soprano to a mezzo. Sometimes I think I sound like I'm caught between the two, even if that sounds absurd.
Voice type only matters in Opera and Musical Theater and Choral Music.
I always though Bey was a soprano
she is. this video is wrong
What Jisoo's Vocal type?, Some ppl say she's Soprano but also some ppl say she's Mezzo.
She’s a mezzo the rest are sopranos
She is a spinto soprano
she's definitely a soprano, most likely a mid soprano/spinto soprano. it would be easier to tell if her voice was more developed but she doesn't have mezzo ease in her lows
@@riceyrice8827😂😩 do you even know what a spinto sound like
@@lyd2460 Spinto is a classical division on opera context. Medium weight Sopranos trained classically will be Spintos. Jisoo is a medium weight soprano
Love this but surely you need to check on Diana Ankudinova, a young Russian singer who has a very distinct voice and singing style. Your brain might need some time to comprehend what is going on.
Can you do a video about Michael Jackson's voice ?
OMG I"VE NEVER BEEN THIS EARLY
Have you ever thought of doing a vocal ranking between exo's main vocals
I feel like there is a lack of suprano in mainstream pop music! Dance pop mainly! Ava Max and Zara Larsson are mezzos i guess 😊
Zara isn’t a mezzo
Lack of soprano? Where? Tons of them around.
there's no lack of sopranos anywhere. most women are sopranos and that goes even doubly so for mainstream pop music. lyric soprano voices are considered the most marketable/radio friendly/gp friendly (for women).
taylor swift ariana grande demi lovato camila cabello are all sopranos
@@tgreen9774pretty sure taylor is mezzo
They’re usually for classical types Anyway
Exactly. Just because UA-cam started using classical fachs to try to label their faves doesn’t erase the history of Soprano / Tenor / Bass etcetera.
@@grandeflamesbutera3949 They don't really use facher. They mostly use Italian classifications.
which is the most common voice type between soprano and mezzo?
Soprano for sure, same logic applies for tenors over baritones as well
@@lightning0506 I thought it was more logical that middle tessitura (mezzo/baritone) was the most common while the high/low tessitura being the least common
@@MrPeppeRE It's a common sense, but in reality you won't see much of a mezzo/baritone voices, even among people who don't sing, so this logic doesn't apply everywhere
@@lightning0506 ''even among people who don't sing'' but you can't judge a voice type just by listening to one's speaking voice
@@MrPeppeRE It's actually possible, when your ear is trained enough, it's pretty common, that baritones and basses have that deep voice quality, which can't be confused with tenor voice ever
Same with mezzoes and sopranos
Why you think you can't actually measure it? It's entirely possible to pick up medium frequency in hz, most common note a person speaks at (mine, for example, is around F#3)
There were even some studies which showed this exact frequency applied to voice types, something along the lines of sopranos being B3, mezzoes - G3, contraltos/tenors at Eb3/E3 and so on, you can try to google it, I swear I saw it somewhere, not sure if it's entirely true, but seems interesting at least
I just realized how low Taylor Swift's voice is. When I look it up, it says she's a soprano, but in one of her songs, she sings a G3 which is lower than I am able to sing. I'm a mezzo but have always felt comfortable singing alto. What do you think? Does she just have a wide range? Could she be a contralto? Honestly, I feel like for a while we didn't have a lot of low female singers like that so it's refreshing. I'm curious what other people think since I"m not a vocal expert, but I have taught voice lessons before. I"m more of a pianist but this was an interesting discovery.
G3 is very doable for any female voice. G3 is required for classical sopranos (many operas have it written including the role of Armida by Rossini)… who sing with no microphone. A miked pop artist should not struggle on G3, especially considering it is within the average speaking range.
@@KajiVocals Okay, maybe it was lower or maybe it's just too low for me, lol. Either way, there are many songs that she sings that are too low for me.
@@Julia-um4rv Do not worry, that range is highly developable. Look up the singer Mary Martin, a high soprano (trained). I have a video on her. And you’ll hear what a high voice is capable of developing.
@@KajiVocals okay, will do thanks!
I'd say 99% no, she isn't a contralto...she can sing very low but timbre wise it sounds to me like a mezzo or even soprano with just a really good low. With other contraltos like Cher or Nina Simone there is an uncanny tonal quality to their vocals. I don't think she's that at all. Her voice isn't that big- if it were, the contrast between the bigger sounds in the mezzo or soprano range and the more conversational low notes would be more noticeable, but it's not and so many speculate contralto. But her voice to me is like a youthful/thin mid and upper range, and not that big volume-wise, and the lower bonus extension. She's become a pretty good singer I'd say. It works well for her singer-songwriter style and allows her options in her writing and delivery.
We need more representation for us
Bass singers…. :/
That may be hard to find since finding a true bass is a rare vocal type.
The voice type is not rare amongst people in the world. Its rare in the case of singers who actually have that type of voice and sing. This notion comes from not everyone wanting to a classical singer that had that voice while higher voices that could sing would be more interested in singing. But basses exist everywhere. And the term true bass is such a mythical term that makes basses seem like they dont exist in all mediums of human exist. They do. Im a young bass and even older classical basses or other young basses exist everywhere.
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Karen Carpenter another famous Contralto and Tanita Tikaram . David Bowie one of the most famous Baritone in history of pop music .
I'm tenor, but i can play like countertenor
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Luckily I'm a tenor
Sometimes I wonder with my voice type I can sing high but sometimes I can sing low up to B2. Somehow my voice type is bright whenver I listen to my singing record lol
Well, it depends on where you feel the most comfortable. Do you know if you have a high or low tessitura (the sweet spot that your voices love to sit)? I have a man with high tessitura, I am a tenor, I sing most comfortably from C3 to C4, yet I can still support up to G#4, and I can support as low as Bb2 because I have that foundataion of being consistent in my sweet spot and... also, because I was a bass in high school choir for 4 years, so I have quite a developed lower register for a tenor lol
If you can sing that low while still engaging with your diaphragm consistently, then you have some potential. However, finding your tessitura is very important because then you would be able to find songs in your voice types because if you find songs to just work on your range, then that doesn't help you being consistent in your sweet spot (tessitura), which is most important. Then, after you have a good foundation then you can start working outside of your range.
voice type isn't dependent on range. there are a lot more things to take into account like where you feel most comfortable, where you change register, the weight and size that your voice has, etc. it's best to leave it to a qualified voice teacher to help you classify your voice type
If B2 is low to you you're probably a a tenor.
Im a bass (even thought my tone is really bright for a bass) and a B2 is like a really comfortable note for me, low for me start at F2 or E2.
@@wtfisthis96 I'm a girl btw... But I'm more comfortable when I reach A4 or higher. I wonder myself if I am a soprano or mezzo. My range would probably from B2 to D6. But if I am a soprano I can't reach more than D6 like other sopranos do 😅
@@justdb4 I'm more comfortable when I reach A4 or higher. I wonder myself if I am a soprano or mezzo. My range would probably from B2 to D6. But if I am a soprano I can't reach more than D6 like other sopranos do 😅
Cant believe you forgot tracy chapman as a contralto 😮
She does not sing in a way that'd allow us to classify her voice. Very light vocalisation, whispering much of her singing. And she never used her genuine high range. She is simply a crooner. Can be a mezzo or contralto. But you cannot classify her voice properly off what she showcased.
I think I’m a soprano , I always sing Adele Beyoncé and lady gaga and get soar throat 😢
Oh that's funny, I've always thought that Felix from SKZ is a Bass 😄
He's a tenor
What about Counter Tenor? for example Dimash! what’s this type?
Highly skilled and trained baritone
@@comneno100 Thank you
@@comneno100 his voice is very bright, soft and high even for a tenor, let alone have the guts to imply that he's a baritone lol. He doesn't even sound as dark as prime luther vandross who's already a mid tenor at that one. That's absolutely not true. It's certainly possible he has a voice that match the size of mitch and justin (who lies on the lightest extreme of conventional male voice classification imo. If not, then they still nothing lower/denser than standard light tenor if they technically turn out to be larger voices regardless) as a tenor although I'm familiar with some people stated he's a regular light tenor constantly and stick to that as an agreement. His lows are really impressive but if you about to compare those lows to baritones who has identical level of developement range-wise, it's still different and lack of alot of other qualities.
@@CarloRodriguez10 Don't trust him. That's a misinformation. Dimash is universally considered as natural tenor in every platforms. It just there are some frauds/ignorant who love to spread unreliable bullshits when it comes to this sort of topic.
Countertenor isn't a biological voice type. It's basically a vocal role refer to any male voices (usually tenors and baritones) that have developed, splendid upper register to soar high and handle those stratospheric pitches efficiently. Not to mention, this term is strictly use for certified classical singers.
What you try to mention is prolly about another less known voice type which is what we name as tenorino/tenore contraltino/haute contre (which is still a tenor). It's naturally the highest and brightest (they easily mistaken with low soprano if they dare to brighten their timbre even more) type of tenor. Mitch and justin (who appear as a collage in this vid) are the best example of how they tonally sound like (although this term are quiet inapplicable for them since they are pop singers but I do think they would be very likely train as one if they decide to hire professional vocal mentor to help them improve their skills/techniques or classify their voices). In layman term, it's best to describe as featherlike/babyweight (or whatever the term that's valid and plausible for pop singers who possess it) tenor to folks who wants to defend operatic classification system seamlessly. They are basically the highest and brightest male voice of typical standard (with exception of adult male soprano which are the voice that's meant to be whack out from the zone since they believe to have undeveloped instruments although they are still numerous times more common than bass who act as a true cameo of all other developed male voice where they always spawn back to back in dozens of episodes until the end of a certain action series).
@@firethroughtheskies2648 Oh wow! I didn’t know that.. thanks alot
By classical teaching standards at least, past puberty, your vocal fach does _not_ change as you age. And I personally tend to agree with that take.
Yes, your voice changes with age, but while you might lose some of your extreme notes (can happen for both your upper and lower ends), your tessitura shouldn't move much. Neither does most of your voice's characteristics.
Also, IMO, implying that a _voice type_ can change with age is kind of unfair and degrading to lower voices. Because what often happens is people hear a damaged/fatigued tenor or soprano who lost comfort in their upper extension and start to call them baritones and mezzos, which sadly implies lower voices as "lower quality voices". A damaged/fatigued/aged higher voice should be considered just that : a damaged/fatigued/aged higher voice. Not a lower voice.
It can change but not due to age itself but things like pregnancies or menopause. Those things will cause hormonal changes and can actually change the voice. But it's not to do with age specifically.
@@KajiVocals True. You got me there.
Gonna admit that I'm just kinda sick of how some people use things like Jojo's timbre as a 13y.o girl as an argument to how she might be a soprano or have transitioned from soprano to mezzo. Or take Mariah's/Christina's damaged instruments and go "oh she's a mezzo now".
@@skayles4716 I would say it's mariah's case that apply for that statement. She sounds really close to mezzo nowadays especially if people really pay attention to her new low-midrange even more. She's either now a mezzo (akin to adele, cher subtype wise) or lowest soprano (akin to Vivian reed) who sing brightly as she ascend upward if you try to classify her voice base on typical voice terms system.
Bonus: I don't think dua lipa exude/meet all the vivid characteristics to be completely considered as one of the current mainstream commercialized mezzos. I still view her as darker coloured soprano (she probably pave the road of similar surface to renata tebaldi if she'd sing in auditorium classically) who lacks natural density matter for that matter timbre wise, she's not similar to mezzo either. Can't imagine mezzos would sound as bright as her if they try to brighten theirs as well. Dua lipa also enchance her brightness particularly in higher midrange but it's the sort of brightness I seriously don't expect from mezzos to directly achieve if they do too considering the approach.
@@firethroughtheskies2648no way in hell dua is a soprano. Her voice is rock bottom low and has been full and dark since basically day 1. "Brightness" in the *middle* register is the point. That's literally the trademark and strength of mezzo and baritone voices. Dua can't belt in the 5th octave without rasp/breaks/strain and on the few times she has it has been *very* chesty and loud, as typical of her voice type... I.e. compare an example of a heavier soprano (Katy Perry) to Dua lipa. Their belts and low notes are worlds apart. It irks me how people will accept a myriad variety in high voices (light soprano, low soprano, lyric soprano, lyric tenor, dark tenor, etc.) but when it comes to Mezzos and altos you have to fit a very narrow checklist or people like you say they're just a soprano in some kind of disguise. Dua has not *ever* sung in soprano fashion, not in her song key or tessitura. Almost every song she's ever made features heavy lows and chesty mid belts. She is one of the darkest, lowest, voices to grace mainstream music in decades. No way is she soprano.
Sorry but Felix is definitely not a baritone, he's a tenor, just with a forced dropped larynx, as a baritone myself, there's no way a baritone would sound "low" at A3 as he does, if something we start being somewhat belt-ish around that area, where he already is sounding like chest voice
I'm a soprano
I've heard beyonce is actually a soprano who's voice have lowered due to factors. What would you say about that?
Beyoncé always was and still is a soprano.
@@SoulVelvet why?
@@nickcarv27 Cause she doesnt make any adjustments or take efforts like Mezzos do. Her voice doesn't carry weight like other sub types of Sopranos do. She is a lyric soprano
Because she has the tessitura, zona de passaggi, timbre, density, head voice and lower range of a soprano.
@@thiagoviana9644 what does her 1st and 2nd passaggios sets?
Hmmm… even if she ain’t full confortable with it, I’be hears Ariana hit a E3, which is already pretty low for a soprano
I’m a Countertenor(Haute-Contre). I’ve always sang 2nd Soprano or 1st Alto in choir. My first and second vocal coaches said my voice developed from Dugazon Mezzo to Falcon Soprano. But (personally) I kinda disagree 😅 I think I’d probably be more along that lines of Coloratura Mezzo or Leggero Tenor with a tone that’s right in the middle of girly and womanly 😂
Are you classically trained? If so thats pretty cool
@@BunnyPlays651 I actually am! Since the age of 4 and I just turned 23.
would toni braxton be considered a contralto?
Not according to the ‘mezzo police’.
Is Toni Braxton a contralto?
No she is a Mezzo who likes to lower her larynx to sound darker than she normally is
Eu sempre disse que a Faouzia era Mezzo muita gente teve a coragem de dizer que ela é soprano, principalmente aquele canal Ally Kelly😡
Se você ler mais sobre a pedagogia da voz clássica, poderá entender por que as pessoas a chamam de soprano. Ela tem um registro grave muito bom e não canta muito alto em termos de alcance, mas tudo em sua voz indica que ela é uma soprano e não uma mezzo-soprano.
@@KajiVocals E você lê tanto a pedagogia clássica que esquece que isso é canto contemporâneo né? Essas subclassifições são do canto lírico, na verdade acho que é você quem deveria parar para ler mais, não é só sobre graves ricos, nem sobre beltings brilhantes na região média que me fazem considerar ela uma mezzo, é sobre tom e a zona de transição entendeu? É cada uma...
@@carlchic6271 Nossa jantou bonito eim😅
@@carlchic6271 Também já vi pessoas dizendo que a JoJo é lower soprano, parece que a indústria musical tenta tapar as demais vozes e dar destaque apenas a tenores e sopranos, fazendo as pessoas pensar que caso elas não tenham tais classificações vocais não estarão habilitadas para cantar notas agudas sendo que é a técnica vocal que te ajuda a atingir tanto graves, quanto agudos...
@@carlchic6271 Você aplica sua compreensão dessas vozes na música clássica e a CIÊNCIA por trás delas para tentar classificá-las na música pop. Você não pode simplesmente usar um livro de música clássica para classificar a voz diretamente, é claro... a técnica é muito diferente. Dito isso, também é por isso que está tão claro que ela é uma soprano. Seus Passaggi são soprano, e mesmo se você olhar para seus formantes e harmônicos em um espectrograma, verá algo bem diferente. Mas as coisas mais importantes a serem observadas são - timbre de voz brilhante e claro; densidade da voz que, por mais que exista, não é mezzo-soprano; zona di passaggi que é a de uma soprano; seus pontos de transição de registro também são soprano; seu registro mais grave é uma soprano pop, não é notável. Há muito pouca qualidade de mezzo-soprano em seu instrumento.
So how can we classify
Taylor Swift
Selena Gomez
Jennifer Lopez
Britney Spears
Billie Eillish
They are trying