National Media, Thanks for finally catching up to what we’ve been saying for years. Steeler fans have been scoffed at for years for even bringing this notion up by the National Media. The argument has been he does so much more with less; he is intimately involved in building these teams. Miss after miss in drafts, defense continues to fall apart year after year, no creative thoughts on offense. The Matt Canada hiring was a fire-able offense in itself..
I get why national guys have hesitant to go along the local narratives. Some of them know Tomlin, and often local fans are prone to overreacting. But at this point everyone can see SOMETHING has got to give.
If you think Russ is the sole problem, you don’t watch the Steelers. The last 6 playoff losses, Steelers have been outscored 73-0 in the 1st quarter. Unprepared year after year, horrendous game planning, and horrendous scripted plays to start games.
@@mingmangfulyall Steelers fans are delusional those teams he’s had lately has no business making the playoffs with Duck Mason Kenny Mitch 36 year old Russ & think he gonna beat Pat Lamar Josh Joe every year
This guy is not afraid to say it, ask Mike if "he still has the team", "People are afraid to criticize Mike." This hit it on the nail head. Fact is the team has quit on him and there's really no other option but to make a change. Thanks for your honesty Mr. Patrick
Steelers fans in the ‘80s knew the game had passed by Chuck Noll. After four rings, he went 10 seasons without one. 23 years he coached the Steelers before he finally “retired.”Tomlin needs to do the same.
To the guy in the red hoody. Why should the steelers new coach have to win a playoff game his first season when Tomlin couldn't even do it with a team that won the sb 2 years prior? Tomlin has only won a playoff game 4x in 18 years. He hasn't built a real contender since most of Cowher's players retired. Steelers fans don't care what happens next. We just want the Tomlin era to end. Alot us would prefer a new coach and 5 years of Top 10 draft picks than one more Tomlin "winning season".
Bingo! The more time that goes by since their last SB appearance, you have to admit, as the team has been remade under Tomlin's influence, he has basically driven this team off a cliff. Look at the drafting: Burns, Jarvis Jones, Edmunds, Pickett, Golson, Mike Adams, Limas Sweed, Sammie Coates, Broderick Jones (too soon?), Najee, Claypool, Devin Bush (lol), Sean Davis, first round pick on Ziggy Hood. Great job!
Tomlin says "We don't want hostages, We want Volunteers" Steeler fans are held hostage by him not having a losing season. (6-73)in the 1st quarter in the playoffs the last 4 years,. Its time for change.
It baffles me that it took this long for people to question Tomlin at all, we here in Pittsburgh have been SCREAMING this for 7 years now. The media is so quick to call out mediocre or lackluster coaching, but they were never calling Tomlin out til now. He has a worse playoff record than Mike McCarthy, he’s in charge of personnel and hiring his coordinators. He’s never brought in coordinators himself that went on to be head coaches. He said Pickett was the guy and still brought in Trubisky, then threw them under the bus for Rudolph and then threw all them aside for Russ and Fields and somehow it’s not his problem when it comes to the roster? He wasn’t able to win with a championship with Ben, Bell, and Brown. Once all Cowhers core group of guys left or retired that’s when the mediocrity really set in. I’m not hating on him at all, it’s just the facts. We’ve been desperately calling him out since 2017 if not longer. Lambert, Bradshaw, and others don’t like him too. It’s mind blowing that it took this long.
@ Look up Belichick’s coaching tree. He has one. So how can you say the same about Tomlin, who doesn’t have one? Coaches who know and teach the game of football, have coaching trees. Managers who delegate without teaching, don’t produce coaching talent.
@@mikepgh6529Every one of Belichecks coaches that left didn’t even last more than 4 seasons and a HC before getting fired. Tired of yall trying to make coaching trees a valid argument when players make coaches look good 9 times out of 10
Yeah I was gonna say like part of the mystique of the Steelers is that their draft and hires aren't entirely predictable. Valid question but it's not like there aren't good coordinators in the league that they can at least look into this year. At the very least try to bring Brian Flores back as DC
@@Tawknmysht, what has Tomlin proven last 8 years? They can’t even compete to win a playoff game. Last 4 years Tomlin is 2 games over .500 after that 11-0 start.
The Steelers are stuck in QB purgatory. They are good enough to compete in the regular season, but they are no threat in the playoffs. They have two choices, sell the farm and move up in a draft for a franchise QB or clean house do a 100% rebuild, endure a few losing seasons and build via the draft.
He had a hall of fame quarterback for 15 years and for 10 of those years it was the same thing .......if ur argument is you need a great quarterback to win in the playoffs let's not forget it was Tim Tebow that won a playoffs game as a quarterback against the Steelers....it was Blake Borttles with the jaguars ot was the early version of Baker Mayfield that came into Pittsburgh in the playoffs and beat the Steelers with Ben at quarterback......and if you want to still bring up quarterback.....how many of that 300 rushing yards that the Ravens put on our defense was on Russell Wilson......the Ravens never had to throw the ball they could have easily rushed the ball for 500 yards .....they applied the brakes towards the end of the game otherwise they would have scored 42 points easily
@@jesseleblanc1199 Bill Belichick didnt win for ten straight years with Tom Brady so should he have been fired in 2014? . Tomlin had and old Ben Mason Rudolph Kenny Pickett and Russ yet yall want him to beat Allen Mahomes and Lamar on the road ?LOL 😂
Think about this. During this same stretch where Tomlin has not won a playoff game, the Jags have won 3 games during this same timeframe. One of the jags wins was against steelers with Blake Bortels as Jags QB. Tomlin would have been fired today if he was coach for any other team. He is Marvin Lewis 2.0. National media loves him for his sound bites and remarks.
Pete Carroll (with Seattle): 14 seasons, 10 playoff apperances 3 one and dones, 10-9 W/L Mike Mccarthy: 18 seasons, 12 playoff apperances 5 one and dones, 11-11 W/L Bill Cower: 15 Seasons, 10 Playoff apperances 2 one and dones, 12-9 W/L Mike Tomlin: 18 Seasons, 12 playoff apperances 8 one and dones, 8-11 W/L
Cower's 2 one and dones were in his first 2 seasons and appeared in 6 AFC title games Tomlin's 5 one and dones with big ben as QB and only appeared in 3 AFC title games.
The whole point is that the Steelers are stuck in purgatory. Not bad enough to get a high draft pack and get a franchise changing player, and not good enough to beat any of the top teams in the conference. So, yes, it’s time for Mike Tomlin to go and get another voice in the room. Steelers fans are done being in purgatory for the last decade.
Baltimore consistently drafts in nearly the same spots as the Steelers -- and they are legit SB contenders this season -- and will be going forward. Steelers also had a chance to draft both Lamar and Derrick Henry -- they passed on BOTH. We could have been doing to the Ratbirds what they did to us.
@@ghosttowntomato With Omar Khan at GM, the Steelers have definately upped their draft game -- he's stacked two solid drafts in a row. What the Steelers need to do is be more creative and innovative. They run a plain vanilla offense. Does not leverage any player strengths, except for Russ' moon balls once they get behind. Pickens needs more targets. They don't go to Austin enough. They barely used Mike Williams, he's an unfair advantage on 50/50 balls. Whereas Baltimore uses Lamar's speed and King Henry's strength -- and bludgeons you over the head with it. That said, at first Harbaugh wasn't smart enough to really know what he had and was not using Henry enough. Henry had a mere 13 carries when the Steelers beat them. Then he wised up. In all the games the Ratbirds lost, Henry's carries were: 13, 18, 11, 13, 19. The Ratbirds will be hard, if not impossible to beat if they keep playing possession, power football like that. The party is over in KC. I feared this is what the Ratbirds would become once they signed Henry.
The problem is that we make the playoffs but do we really? The games were not even close or competitive at all. By the end of the 1st quarter, you know the game is over. Also his “winning” record it’s not like 14-3 lol it’s almost a 50/50 with 10-7 9-8
It's the owners issue! Art II is an heir! He didn't build it. He didn't have the need to win? He inherited the Steelers legacy and family fortune. Heirs always act differently than the O.G. (The Chief)
Please please fire him. STOP BEING SO NICE TO HIM IN THE PRESS. His offense has been awful for many years. 0-63 in the first quarter in 8 years of playoffs games OMG. They have the least creative offense in the NFL. Fire the entire offensive coaches
Patriots got rid of a man who won 6 super bowls,,steelers are all time great organization ownership is letting the fans down 8 yrs without a single playoff win ,pitiful ,just let the fans decide 90 percent or more wants him gone.
As a Steelers fan of over 50 years I will tell you exactly what they will do with him. Nothing. We have become a predictable, mediocre team and that is really hard to accept. The Steelers number one goal should be putting together a team to win a Super Bowl, not a first round playoff game.
They have their egos attached to the fact that they've never fired a coach. It's part of their identity. They don't wanna give it up. They probably want him to resign.
Dan. Big fan. Always appreciate your insight. Steelers fan since 1971. How is Mike Tomlin being mentioned in the same sentence as Tom Landry? BTW…possibly two of the most amazing Super Bowl games to date:)TY
Last two years, players complained to the media about teammates to get the coaches’ attention and Tomlin is supposed to be a players’ coach … which I assumed meant he communicated well and honestly with his players. Not a good look. Last year it took fans to finally get Canada fired. It took desperation to get Trubisky pulled for Mason. After all the changes, it netted one more win and had our losing skid against better teams. We didn’t lose to the Ravens, we got blown out. Tomlin doesn’t coach like his job is at stake … because it isn’t. Tomlin said he’s got the best coaching job in sports … and he’s right … he can’t be fired.
The situation overall is really complicated because of the QBs...what do they do with Wilson and Fields? Those guys aren't worth starting QB money, but 95% chance there won't be any upgrades available either. So who's going to want to coach this team? Who's going to improve the roster significantly?
Why does everyone ignore that Tomlin inherited the successful culture Bill Cower created, won his only superbowl only a couple years later with that culture and with an insane group of stars, and hasn’t done anything above mediocrity for the past 15 years
"Hey Mike, you've consistently overperformed given the roster in front of you, but we're going to move on and find someone else who can somehow do better while we continue to be cheap at QB." The AFC's elite all traded up to get their QB in the draft and developed them properly, but the Steelers apparently think they're an exception to what works for other teams.
They haven’t had a top 10 quarterback in a decade. He’s also in toughest division in pro football. Firing him for a lack of recent playoff success when maybe 5 coaches in all of football could make the playoffs with those rosters is asinine.
Tomlin has been coach longer than Bill Cowher. His early success was directly connected to the team he inherited. It's been just a repeat of mediocre seasons with inexplicable losses to bad teams every season. It's time to move on or we will have this for another decade
Cowher spent 15 years with the Steelers and Chuck Noll 23. Tomlin is up to 18. Tomlin has overstayed his welcome. He's now abusing the good will of the Rooneys. He owes the owners to tender his resignation and hand over to the "next man up."
Rooney needs to sit him down and let him know the team needs a change and it starts with him moving on. Doesnt matter who comes in after. A change is needed and it starts with Tomlin moving out.
I think most of the teams in the nfl need to address lack of playoff success. Pittsburgh has won games and made the playoffs. The Steelers need to be careful about decisions they make or they could be the next Dallas Cowboys.
Mike was left with a lot great talent and it was much easier in the beginning. Remember, Tomlin was an above average DEI Hire. The Rooney's are all about it, transparent you know. Mike checked all the boxes but one, championship leadership. You could tell by Mike's demeanor he knew there was a slim chance of making it happen this week. Watching how the other teams evolved with bigger faster players, the steelers are mediocre at best. Yes, it is time!
Tomlin will leave when he wants to leave. Can't fire a DEI hire, especially when the creator of the Rooney Rule was behind it. Rooney cannot afford to admit failure. His legacy is at stake here.
If press conference sound bites and quotes won you Super Bowls Mike Tomlin would have the most rings...but when it comes to actually winning games when they count he is an absolute failure.
The Steelers are in a "co-dependent relationship" with Mike Tomlin that is akin to a woman who is totally committed to a man who continues to disappoint her but she is so infatuated with him that she blindly believes in his promises to do better, and she is afraid to break up with him out of fear that he will find a new woman to date.
We need an OC, our offense is basic at best… where we’ve been in draft position is huge, holding on to Big Ben too long, shazier injury was a major set back, a few huge untimely retirements, and we are still a top 14 team… every team should be competing for a championship but the reality is only 1 team wins. Lol that’s my rant 😂
It’s time for the Rooneys to take control on the hires. Fire the DC and OC and don’t let Mike have input on it. Last time they did that they got Haley and set records on the offense
If the Steelers revenue were going down ownership would’ve gotten rid of him years ago. The franchise value has increased every year since 2002, their operating income is nine figures. Fans want wins, ownerships want profit, two very different sides of the coin here
Finishing barely above .500 every season is the worst place to be. You never win playoff games and championships and you never have an opportunity to get high draft picks to significantly improve the team. It is NFL purgatory.
Fields should have never been taken out. He was 4-2 and improving. Benching Fields killed momentum. It was short-sighted, which is why the decision was challenged within the organization. The offense hadn't moved in a month with Wilson (4 games), and Fields should have been reinserted weeks ago. The Steelers are wasting time and talent.
Sums up the national media when there is a pause before putting it that Mike needs to decide if he has the team and wants to continue…He needs to go based on his performances. He is not a Legendary Coach (other than in the eyes of the blinkered media). A winning season is not what its about - its about building and leading a team into AND through the playoffs. He is way to conservative and his plans really restrict what the Offensive Coordinator can use in a game situation. He’s inflexible - can’t adapt during a game. I’ve seen more than enough - time for change.
I just think they need some changes. Keep Tomlin and rebuild roster. This bringing in free agents is a mistake and I think that’s why Steelers are having trouble. Young fast and aggressive. I think that’s what we need.
I'm good either way but if they keep Tomlin wholesale changes have to be made. Schemes, practice schedule, draft philosophy etc...real updates real changes. Tomlin needs to be uncomfortable as he says he likes his players to be.
At this point i really do not see the steelers making any kind of improvements. More of the same. its a fact Tomlin won early because of the team Cowher built. How many Tomlin coaches are hired away.. Why would the steelers even bother with Wilson.. It was worth Denver 39 million to let him go.. Denver went to the play offs.. Remember Mitch Trubisky ? We need a new coach..
Criticism for firing Belichick and now you want to fire Tomlin? Isn't coaching. You want a bring-it-to-the-middle system? This is it. Coaches are going to lose for decades.
Pittsburgh's problem isn't Tomlin, it's Quarterback. They had the husk of Big Ben to the Pickett Rudolph Duck Hodges mashup to now the combo of Fields who sucks and Russ who was just cut by the Broncos. And Tomlin still delivers a berth. To me that's really impressive. The Steelers need an actual competitive Quarterback (easier said than done) and they'll go further. Unfortunately for them, this isn't the off-season to get one, and they're generally picking too late to get a good one. Lamar at 32 is a once in a lifetime pick.
@@HamLover17 since 2016 the Steelers have been out scored 73 to nothing in the first quarter of playoff games. At some point this has to fall on the coach. As a head coach of 16 years he has plenty of say of who his quarterback is. He has a none existent coaching tree. When was the last time you watched a game where you said to yourself wow he is out scheming the opponent? When was the last time the Steelers had blown the doors off teams by 3 TDs and impressed? Tomlins teams have talent but face it with these players and his talent this is his ceiling here in Pittsburgh. Andy Reid had the same issues in Philly but found the next level of success elsewhere.
@@neville3059 The reason they are getting to the playoffs and having winning records is that they're outscheming and outcoaching opponents. It's clear Pittsburgh can't compete in the upper crust. That's obvious. But when you're playing against Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen and you're putting up Russ Wilson and Kenny Pickett in the playoffs you're gonna get rocked i don't care who the coach is. Andy Reid turned it around because of a man named Pat Mahomes.
Knoll and Cowher resigned. They moved on when they felt the time was right. Tomlin will probably be allowed to do the same. Firing head coaches isn't how the Rooneys do things. At least it hasn't been. I hope they force his hand to bring in quality coordinators and support staff. Take a little of his autonomy away. I'm only saying this because I don't believe he will be fired or resign. I would like a fresh start.
No dude Pittsburgh Steelers fans aren't that stupid we won't expect the Steelers to come back and win that very next year in the playoffs and go to the Super bowl. We would rather go through a few losing Seasons if it meant getting back to Glory
Trade him to the Bears. He'll set the culture straight. Need someone else to get them over the hump. Fantastic motivator, decent game manager, not elite - the Steelers franchise needs elite.
i just heard that art rooney has decided to keep tomlin as head coach. rooney is damaging the steeler franchise. they do notcare about the steeler legacy. yes tomlin has not had a losing season but has only won 3 platoff games in 14 years. now tell me what a good coach tomlin is. tomlin continuously has problems with players (brown bell pickett). his management of qb's has been atrocious after big ben retired. how many negative issues does a head coach need to get replaced. i believe that big ben would have another superbowl ring or 2 if he had a different head coach.
Tomlin has no playoff wins in 14 of his 18 years as a head coach…. Let that sink in….
Steelers have no top 20 players on offense the last 5 years yet Tomlin still drags them to the postseason LET THAT SINK IN
until Cohwers players left then he's won nothing
@@dramachannel2740 Tomlin has a HUGE say in who the Steelers draft on offense (he selected Pickett). You LET THAT SINK IN!
@@ismellbs3346 Cowher doesnt have any players he didnt draft them and Tomlin got to the super bowl with other players
@@dramachannel2740doing tricks on it. He’s a bum coach. Get back to reality kid
National Media, Thanks for finally catching up to what we’ve been saying for years. Steeler fans have been scoffed at for years for even bringing this notion up by the National Media. The argument has been he does so much more with less; he is intimately involved in building these teams. Miss after miss in drafts, defense continues to fall apart year after year, no creative thoughts on offense. The Matt Canada hiring was a fire-able offense in itself..
I get why national guys have hesitant to go along the local narratives. Some of them know Tomlin, and often local fans are prone to overreacting. But at this point everyone can see SOMETHING has got to give.
@@jaredkrol3739Tomlin needs to go he benched Justin Fields over nothing
Ur 1 of the fans who wanted Russ🗣️🗣️
If you think Russ is the sole problem, you don’t watch the Steelers. The last 6 playoff losses, Steelers have been outscored 73-0 in the 1st quarter. Unprepared year after year, horrendous game planning, and horrendous scripted plays to start games.
@@mingmangfulyall Steelers fans are delusional those teams he’s had lately has no business making the playoffs with Duck Mason Kenny Mitch 36 year old Russ & think he gonna beat Pat Lamar Josh Joe every year
It disappoints me Tomlin is putting the team in the position of having to fire him rather than him resigning.
💯 this comment right here brother
Entitled, happens all the time these days.
This guy is not afraid to say it, ask Mike if "he still has the team", "People are afraid to criticize Mike." This hit it on the nail head. Fact is the team has quit on him and there's really no other option but to make a change. Thanks for your honesty Mr. Patrick
Steelers fans in the ‘80s knew the game had passed by Chuck Noll. After four rings, he went 10 seasons without one. 23 years he coached the Steelers before he finally “retired.”Tomlin needs to do the same.
To the guy in the red hoody. Why should the steelers new coach have to win a playoff game his first season when Tomlin couldn't even do it with a team that won the sb 2 years prior?
Tomlin has only won a playoff game 4x in 18 years. He hasn't built a real contender since most of Cowher's players retired.
Steelers fans don't care what happens next. We just want the Tomlin era to end. Alot us would prefer a new coach and 5 years of Top 10 draft picks than one more Tomlin "winning season".
He should’ve just admitted and said unless the coach is black
Bingo! The more time that goes by since their last SB appearance, you have to admit, as the team has been remade under Tomlin's influence, he has basically driven this team off a cliff. Look at the drafting: Burns, Jarvis Jones, Edmunds, Pickett, Golson, Mike Adams, Limas Sweed, Sammie Coates, Broderick Jones (too soon?), Najee, Claypool, Devin Bush (lol), Sean Davis, first round pick on Ziggy Hood. Great job!
Tomlin says "We don't want hostages, We want Volunteers" Steeler fans are held hostage by him not having a losing season. (6-73)in the 1st quarter in the playoffs the last 4 years,. Its time for change.
It baffles me that it took this long for people to question Tomlin at all, we here in Pittsburgh have been SCREAMING this for 7 years now. The media is so quick to call out mediocre or lackluster coaching, but they were never calling Tomlin out til now. He has a worse playoff record than Mike McCarthy, he’s in charge of personnel and hiring his coordinators. He’s never brought in coordinators himself that went on to be head coaches. He said Pickett was the guy and still brought in Trubisky, then threw them under the bus for Rudolph and then threw all them aside for Russ and Fields and somehow it’s not his problem when it comes to the roster? He wasn’t able to win with a championship with Ben, Bell, and Brown. Once all Cowhers core group of guys left or retired that’s when the mediocrity really set in. I’m not hating on him at all, it’s just the facts. We’ve been desperately calling him out since 2017 if not longer. Lambert, Bradshaw, and others don’t like him too. It’s mind blowing that it took this long.
Tomlin’s coaching tree speaks for itself. He is not a coach, he is a manager.
You can say the same thing about Coach belichick and he’s the 6 time Super Bowl coach.
@ Look up Belichick’s coaching tree. He has one. So how can you say the same about Tomlin, who doesn’t have one?
Coaches who know and teach the game of football, have coaching trees. Managers who delegate without teaching, don’t produce coaching talent.
Who's belichicks one? Mike Vrable doesn't count. Hes a former player. @@mikepgh6529
@@mikepgh6529Every one of Belichecks coaches that left didn’t even last more than 4 seasons and a HC before getting fired. Tired of yall trying to make coaching trees a valid argument when players make coaches look good 9 times out of 10
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I hate the 'who are you bringing?' argument... welll, at least give yourself a chance to search.
The correct answer is: SOMEBODY ELSE
@Tyler-ie1fh Exactly!
Nobody knew who Bill Cowher or Mike Tomlin were when they were hired as head coaches.
Yeah I was gonna say like part of the mystique of the Steelers is that their draft and hires aren't entirely predictable. Valid question but it's not like there aren't good coordinators in the league that they can at least look into this year.
At the very least try to bring Brian Flores back as DC
@SM-qe4wd Flores would be a great addition.
I'd take Ben Johnson in a heart beat its time to get an offensive coach bring this team into today's football
A coach who has proven NOTHING
@@Tawknmysht, what has Tomlin proven last 8 years? They can’t even compete to win a playoff game. Last 4 years Tomlin is 2 games over .500 after that 11-0 start.
The sports media is afraid to say, "Tomlin should be fired." So afraid...
Wonder why?…..
The Steelers are stuck in QB purgatory. They are good enough to compete in the regular season, but they are no threat in the playoffs. They have two choices, sell the farm and move up in a draft for a franchise QB or clean house do a 100% rebuild, endure a few losing seasons and build via the draft.
He had a hall of fame quarterback for 15 years and for 10 of those years it was the same thing .......if ur argument is you need a great quarterback to win in the playoffs let's not forget it was Tim Tebow that won a playoffs game as a quarterback against the Steelers....it was Blake Borttles with the jaguars ot was the early version of Baker Mayfield that came into Pittsburgh in the playoffs and beat the Steelers with Ben at quarterback......and if you want to still bring up quarterback.....how many of that 300 rushing yards that the Ravens put on our defense was on Russell Wilson......the Ravens never had to throw the ball they could have easily rushed the ball for 500 yards .....they applied the brakes towards the end of the game otherwise they would have scored 42 points easily
@@jesseleblanc1199 Bill Belichick didnt win for ten straight years with Tom Brady so should he have been fired in 2014? . Tomlin had and old Ben Mason Rudolph Kenny Pickett and Russ yet yall want him to beat Allen Mahomes and Lamar on the road ?LOL 😂
Yeah, if they keep winning 10 games a year they're never going to get an elite QB
Yes, is it easier to lose big, rebuild with a top 3 QB pic or be 'good' all the time and have to hope a dude like Wilson can 'maybe' be enough....
@@jesseleblanc1199exactly
Think about this. During this same stretch where Tomlin has not won a playoff game, the Jags have won 3 games during this same timeframe. One of the jags wins was against steelers with Blake Bortels as Jags QB. Tomlin would have been fired today if he was coach for any other team. He is Marvin Lewis 2.0. National media loves him for his sound bites and remarks.
This is a racist comment. He is not Marv Lewis except for being black.
Pete Carroll (with Seattle): 14 seasons, 10 playoff apperances
3 one and dones, 10-9 W/L
Mike Mccarthy: 18 seasons, 12 playoff apperances
5 one and dones, 11-11 W/L
Bill Cower: 15 Seasons, 10 Playoff apperances
2 one and dones, 12-9 W/L
Mike Tomlin: 18 Seasons, 12 playoff apperances
8 one and dones, 8-11 W/L
Cower's 2 one and dones were in his first 2 seasons and appeared in 6 AFC title games
Tomlin's 5 one and dones with big ben as QB and only appeared in 3 AFC title games.
@@piratesfan1995able and the 1st super bowl cowher took them to neil o'donnell was qb.
How many NFL head coaches survive long enough to go eight straight years with no playoff wins?
Fire tomlin it’s insanity at this point
Tomlin must be fired. You could bring in Donald Duck and the Steelers Fans would be ecstatic.
FIRE MIKE TOMLIN
The local reaction to coach T has been different for a long time, y’all hacks just haven’t been paying attention
The whole point is that the Steelers are stuck in purgatory. Not bad enough to get a high draft pack and get a franchise changing player, and not good enough to beat any of the top teams in the conference. So, yes, it’s time for Mike Tomlin to go and get another voice in the room. Steelers fans are done being in purgatory for the last decade.
Baltimore consistently drafts in nearly the same spots as the Steelers -- and they are legit SB contenders this season -- and will be going forward. Steelers also had a chance to draft both Lamar and Derrick Henry -- they passed on BOTH. We could have been doing to the Ratbirds what they did to us.
You can find gems late in first. Steelers just fail to find them. They are an antiquated organization
@@ghosttowntomato With Omar Khan at GM, the Steelers have definately upped their draft game -- he's stacked two solid drafts in a row. What the Steelers need to do is be more creative and innovative. They run a plain vanilla offense. Does not leverage any player strengths, except for Russ' moon balls once they get behind. Pickens needs more targets. They don't go to Austin enough. They barely used Mike Williams, he's an unfair advantage on 50/50 balls.
Whereas Baltimore uses Lamar's speed and King Henry's strength -- and bludgeons you over the head with it. That said, at first Harbaugh wasn't smart enough to really know what he had and was not using Henry enough. Henry had a mere 13 carries when the Steelers beat them. Then he wised up. In all the games the Ratbirds lost, Henry's carries were: 13, 18, 11, 13, 19.
The Ratbirds will be hard, if not impossible to beat if they keep playing possession, power football like that. The party is over in KC. I feared this is what the Ratbirds would become once they signed Henry.
Ben Johnson please
It isn’t the “losing” in the playoffs. They get their doors blown off.
The problem is that we make the playoffs but do we really? The games were not even close or competitive at all. By the end of the 1st quarter, you know the game is over.
Also his “winning” record it’s not like 14-3 lol it’s almost a 50/50 with 10-7 9-8
It's the owners issue! Art II is an heir! He didn't build it. He didn't have the need to win? He inherited the Steelers legacy and family fortune. Heirs always act differently than the O.G. (The Chief)
The thing with Tomlin to me is wins his 9-10 games a year 😊 but loses games to many inferior teams (2025 Browns)
8 years since a playoff win. Sixth season one and done... Zero playoff wins. Is not good enough.
Tomlin inherited great team and ho won. Wenn that team got old, he cant bild team.
Why are people hesitant to criticize Mike Tomlin?
Because they would be labeled racist
I don't see any hesitancy.
@@nunyabidnis5407and yeah.. where is the hesitancy? I dont see it either
You can replace tomlin with a rock and get the same results tomlin been in auto pilot since he got there
He’s been riding that 1st Superbowl for 20 years
Definitely with Dan I Do Think People are Afraid To Criticize Mike Tomlin locally
9-8 next year no playoff......BET ON IT
Please please fire him. STOP BEING SO NICE TO HIM IN THE PRESS. His offense has been awful for many years. 0-63 in the first quarter in 8 years of playoffs games OMG. They have the least creative offense in the NFL. Fire the entire offensive coaches
People that say that sounds good aren’t Steelers fans. We want rings not one and done what are we talking about here
It would mean more if you have this discussion directly wit Tomlinson and ask him about it.
Patriots got rid of a man who won 6 super bowls,,steelers are all time great organization ownership is letting the fans down 8 yrs without a single playoff win ,pitiful ,just let the fans decide 90 percent or more wants him gone.
Where to go Steelers, where to go?!!!
As a Steelers fan of over 50 years I will tell you exactly what they will do with him. Nothing. We have become a predictable, mediocre team and that is really hard to accept. The Steelers number one goal should be putting together a team to win a Super Bowl, not a first round playoff game.
Not a Steelers guy,but,you know that they are kind of a stingy organization. I can’t see them chasing free agents
They have their egos attached to the fact that they've never fired a coach. It's part of their identity. They don't wanna give it up. They probably want him to resign.
Dan. Big fan. Always appreciate your insight. Steelers fan since 1971. How is Mike Tomlin being mentioned in the same sentence as Tom Landry? BTW…possibly two of the most amazing Super Bowl games to date:)TY
Last two years, players complained to the media about teammates to get the coaches’ attention and Tomlin is supposed to be a players’ coach … which I assumed meant he communicated well and honestly with his players. Not a good look. Last year it took fans to finally get Canada fired. It took desperation to get Trubisky pulled for Mason. After all the changes, it netted one more win and had our losing skid against better teams. We didn’t lose to the Ravens, we got blown out. Tomlin doesn’t coach like his job is at stake … because it isn’t. Tomlin said he’s got the best coaching job in sports … and he’s right … he can’t be fired.
if we had a close game, fighting down to the wire , then okay. But that first half mannnnnnn 🚮
BEN JOHNSON. And we figured out details.🖤💛
Pretty competitive is great if your a Raider fan...Steelers have a higher base level
The situation overall is really complicated because of the QBs...what do they do with Wilson and Fields? Those guys aren't worth starting QB money, but 95% chance there won't be any upgrades available either. So who's going to want to coach this team? Who's going to improve the roster significantly?
Well they already said he's coming back, so nothing will change
lol competitive lol we cant compete
Tomlin is still a successful coach and there's no one available that could do better than him.
UrinatingTree brought me here 5 years ago
They need an offensive minded coach, their offence even in Ben's final few years was stagnant and predictable!
… and an OL coach.
Why does everyone ignore that Tomlin inherited the successful culture Bill Cower created, won his only superbowl only a couple years later with that culture and with an insane group of stars, and hasn’t done anything above mediocrity for the past 15 years
Tomlin signed an extension last offseason, we, Steeler nation, need to accept that he’s not going anywhere
There are not way worse places to be. The Steelers are in the same place as the Saints, Titans, etc.
"Hey Mike, you've consistently overperformed given the roster in front of you, but we're going to move on and find someone else who can somehow do better while we continue to be cheap at QB." The AFC's elite all traded up to get their QB in the draft and developed them properly, but the Steelers apparently think they're an exception to what works for other teams.
They haven’t had a top 10 quarterback in a decade. He’s also in toughest division in pro football. Firing him for a lack of recent playoff success when maybe 5 coaches in all of football could make the playoffs with those rosters is asinine.
Tomlin and the Steelers can't quit each other. Guaranteed he's back next season for more of the same.
One and done Mike. Media built him into something he is not
Tomlin has been coach longer than Bill Cowher. His early success was directly connected to the team he inherited. It's been just a repeat of mediocre seasons with inexplicable losses to bad teams every season. It's time to move on or we will have this for another decade
Careful Dan don’t criticize Tomlin ESPN will call you racist
Steelers must address the defensive coordinator
For real. Know for defense been bad for years never win with no defense
Cowher spent 15 years with the Steelers and Chuck Noll 23. Tomlin is up to 18. Tomlin has overstayed his welcome. He's now abusing the good will of the Rooneys. He owes the owners to tender his resignation and hand over to the "next man up."
Why???
Why is making the playoffs not good enough? Teams think it’s not enough until they are out in the cold
Rooney needs to sit him down and let him know the team needs a change and it starts with him moving on. Doesnt matter who comes in after. A change is needed and it starts with Tomlin moving out.
I think most of the teams in the nfl need to address lack of playoff success. Pittsburgh has won games and made the playoffs. The Steelers need to be careful about decisions they make or they could be the next Dallas Cowboys.
🔥Tomlin
Mike was left with a lot great talent and it was much easier in the beginning.
Remember, Tomlin was an above average DEI Hire. The Rooney's are all about it, transparent you know. Mike checked all the boxes but one, championship leadership.
You could tell by Mike's demeanor he knew there was a slim chance of making it happen this week.
Watching how the other teams evolved with bigger faster players, the steelers are mediocre at best.
Yes, it is time!
Tomlin will leave when he wants to leave. Can't fire a DEI hire, especially when the creator of the Rooney Rule was behind it. Rooney cannot afford to admit failure. His legacy is at stake here.
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@@NoHurriesNoWorries Truth-teller
Seton bringing that HEAT again
No one has done less with more than Coach T. He's wasted some prime Steeler teams that should've been in at least 2 more Super Bowls.
If press conference sound bites and quotes won you Super Bowls Mike Tomlin would have the most rings...but when it comes to actually winning games when they count he is an absolute failure.
The Steelers are in a "co-dependent relationship" with Mike Tomlin that is akin to a woman who is totally committed to a man who continues to disappoint her but she is so infatuated with him that she blindly believes in his promises to do better, and she is afraid to break up with him out of fear that he will find a new woman to date.
We need an OC, our offense is basic at best… where we’ve been in draft position is huge, holding on to Big Ben too long, shazier injury was a major set back, a few huge untimely retirements, and we are still a top 14 team… every team should be competing for a championship but the reality is only 1 team wins. Lol that’s my rant 😂
It’s time for the Rooneys to take control on the hires. Fire the DC and OC and don’t let Mike have input on it. Last time they did that they got Haley and set records on the offense
If the Steelers revenue were going down ownership would’ve gotten rid of him years ago. The franchise value has increased every year since 2002, their operating income is nine figures. Fans want wins, ownerships want profit, two very different sides of the coin here
When teams win, it's because of the players. If they lose, it's because of the coaches. Doesn't make sense.
There are a lot of used car dealerships that would hire Mike Tomlin in a heartbeat.
Finishing barely above .500 every season is the worst place to be. You never win playoff games and championships and you never have an opportunity to get high draft picks to significantly improve the team. It is NFL purgatory.
No one knew who Mike Tomlin was.... you do your damndest to FIND THE NEXT GUY
Fields should have never been taken out. He was 4-2 and improving. Benching Fields killed momentum. It was short-sighted, which is why the decision was challenged within the organization. The offense hadn't moved in a month with Wilson (4 games), and Fields should have been reinserted weeks ago. The Steelers are wasting time and talent.
Sums up the national media when there is a pause before putting it that Mike needs to decide if he has the team and wants to continue…He needs to go based on his performances. He is not a Legendary Coach (other than in the eyes of the blinkered media). A winning season is not what its about - its about building and leading a team into AND through the playoffs. He is way to conservative and his plans really restrict what the Offensive Coordinator can use in a game situation. He’s inflexible - can’t adapt during a game. I’ve seen more than enough - time for change.
People in Pittsburgh want Tomlin gone
What makes you think Ben Johnson wants to go to a place that has no QB and no potential to get one unless they bottom out.
I just think they need some changes. Keep Tomlin and rebuild roster. This bringing in free agents is a mistake and I think that’s why Steelers are having trouble. Young fast and aggressive. I think that’s what we need.
The last playoff win was barley a win if you recall if they don’t fumble and get two unsportsmanlike penalties we would of lost that game also
if the Ravens lost they would be saying the same thing about Harbaugh
You mean lack of players right?!!
I'm good either way but if they keep Tomlin wholesale changes have to be made. Schemes, practice schedule, draft philosophy etc...real updates real changes. Tomlin needs to be uncomfortable as he says he likes his players to be.
Can do anything as a coach with a limited budget. Ask the Roooney's
At this point i really do not see the steelers making any kind of improvements. More of the same. its a fact Tomlin won early because of the team Cowher built. How many Tomlin coaches are hired away.. Why would the steelers even bother with Wilson.. It was worth Denver 39 million to let him go.. Denver went to the play offs.. Remember Mitch Trubisky ? We need a new coach..
Criticism for firing Belichick and now you want to fire Tomlin?
Isn't coaching.
You want a bring-it-to-the-middle system?
This is it.
Coaches are going to lose for decades.
One more loss and he tied for most first round exits too.
Put that up on his mantle piece
Tomlin was a minority hire. It was so long ago everyone seems to forget what he really is.
Pittsburgh's problem isn't Tomlin, it's Quarterback. They had the husk of Big Ben to the Pickett Rudolph Duck Hodges mashup to now the combo of Fields who sucks and Russ who was just cut by the Broncos. And Tomlin still delivers a berth. To me that's really impressive. The Steelers need an actual competitive Quarterback (easier said than done) and they'll go further. Unfortunately for them, this isn't the off-season to get one, and they're generally picking too late to get a good one. Lamar at 32 is a once in a lifetime pick.
Tomlin has a great influence on who the QB are coming through the door.
@neville3059 it's a question of options. They haven't had the draft pick to get a Jayden Daniels and franchise QBs don't hit the street often
@@HamLover17 since 2016 the Steelers have been out scored 73 to nothing in the first quarter of playoff games. At some point this has to fall on the coach. As a head coach of 16 years he has plenty of say of who his quarterback is. He has a none existent coaching tree. When was the last time you watched a game where you said to yourself wow he is out scheming the opponent? When was the last time the Steelers had blown the doors off teams by 3 TDs and impressed? Tomlins teams have talent but face it with these players and his talent this is his ceiling here in Pittsburgh. Andy Reid had the same issues in Philly but found the next level of success elsewhere.
@@neville3059 The reason they are getting to the playoffs and having winning records is that they're outscheming and outcoaching opponents. It's clear Pittsburgh can't compete in the upper crust. That's obvious. But when you're playing against Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen and you're putting up Russ Wilson and Kenny Pickett in the playoffs you're gonna get rocked i don't care who the coach is. Andy Reid turned it around because of a man named Pat Mahomes.
Cowher was 15 years old
Knoll and Cowher resigned. They moved on when they felt the time was right. Tomlin will probably be allowed to do the same. Firing head coaches isn't how the Rooneys do things. At least it hasn't been. I hope they force his hand to bring in quality coordinators and support staff. Take a little of his autonomy away. I'm only saying this because I don't believe he will be fired or resign. I would like a fresh start.
Cowher left due to his wife’s illness.
@jefferytokarsky1930 The point is that he wasn't fired. He left on his own. Same with Knoll.
Pittsburg gets freeman and Tomlin to Dallas
No dude Pittsburgh Steelers fans aren't that stupid we won't expect the Steelers to come back and win that very next year in the playoffs and go to the Super bowl. We would rather go through a few losing Seasons if it meant getting back to Glory
Trade him to the Bears. He'll set the culture straight. Need someone else to get them over the hump. Fantastic motivator, decent game manager, not elite - the Steelers franchise needs elite.
No playoffs wins since 2015!!!! Not the STANDARD for the Steelers!
i just heard that art rooney has decided to keep tomlin as head coach. rooney is damaging the steeler franchise. they do notcare about the steeler legacy. yes tomlin has not had a losing season but has only won 3 platoff games in 14 years. now tell me what a good coach tomlin is. tomlin continuously has problems with players (brown bell pickett). his management of qb's has been atrocious after big ben retired. how many negative issues does a head coach need to get replaced. i believe that big ben would have another superbowl ring or 2 if he had a different head coach.