I think the purpose is not to define which one is the greatest (what "great" means ?) but why I love one version or another. We can often read on youtube : the best ever, the greatest of all time of the universe... Life and music aren't hit-parades. We all have different sensibilities... In this case the purpose was to make this version available to listening because it exists, I really love it and it wasn't on youtube. Enjoy !
Coincido, no es una competencia de virtuosos, todos son inigualables e irrepetibles, en base a esta hermosa interpretación efectivamente no es conocida y es una obra maestra para cualquiera que tenga el privilegio de encontrarla y disfrutarla, gracias por compartir, bendiciones...🌹
Wonderful recording. He played this on his Guarneri that he played before acquiring the General Dupont Strad which was used on his Phillips recordings.
No any other violinist in the world's sound quality, phrasing, dominancy and sonority count to my ears when Arthur Grumiaux starts playing the Violin; No doubt he was the BEST Violinist of the 20th Century.
this Dickinson's poem fits perfectly with the soul of this interpretation. Something like the sad gracefulness of resignation... Thank you for posting !
Thanks! Very interesting, I came from Zino Francescettis version with its wonderful rich and bold tone, Grumiaux is more delicate lighter. Both versions are so beautiful. I highly recommend Grumiauxs Bach Violin sonatas with obligatory cembalo.
@octcerviolin : Hello ! I don't know on which score Grumiaux based his interpretation. But something is sure : it's exactly the same as the one published in 1966 (10 years after the Grumiaux recording...) by Diethard Hellemann for Bärenreiter and still available (Hortus Musicus 100). In the preface Mr Hellemann says that "his" version is taken from a manuscript of Dresden library (Musica 2037 R/1). I hope it can help you.
@venusianagent Then it may be the original version of the Chaconne, not the version in which it was transformed into a violin showpiece by Ferdinand David and others. Thanks for putting it up!
This is not Grumiaux's 1956 Version, But other violinist. You can recognize that this version has fast tempo than Grumiaux's one. (Grumiaux's version has duration_ 12:13 seconds) And this performance is rather light and not has rich and deep sound that grumiaux always has.
The time of 12:13 you give is correct. However, this is unmistakably the Grumiaux recording from 1956 (vibrato, phrasing, etc. everything matches up). The reason it sounds different is because it has been mysteriously sped up, digitally manipulated to play out faster (and not well; you can frequently hear tiny little "hiccups" in the sound, distorted artifacts from the process). Unclear as to who did this or what purpose it serves.
Grumiaux' version is interesting for being the only one, I think, among the major "traditional" fiddlers, NOT to play the much extrapolated versions derived from Ferdinand David's 1867 edition (like the edition of Leopold Charlier which is the one most ordinarily played, with its violin techniques closer to Ysaye than to 17th or 18th Century violin), but to have gone back to the original manuscript kept at the State Library of Dresden. It is certainly less virtuosic and romantic, but, despite the piano accompaniment (kept very lean), definitely more authentic.
I know well all the versions of this piece, and this performance is one of the most faithful to the original manuscript...even to much, since Grumiaux ( but is it him really?) plays many chords as written in the manuscript, but they clearly should be performed as arpeggios.
Hi there ! Originally it is but for a reason that I cannot elucidate the piece which is 12 minutes 18 ends up at 11 minutes in the video... (so all sounds a bit faster)
In spite of the mono recording (1956 !) we have undoubtedly here the state of the art of Grumiaux' trumpet playing ! Welcome to all youtube hifi lovers !
This doesn’t sound like Grumiaux to me. The vibrato is too fast and the lower strings don’t have the warm, horn-like quality that Grumiaux is known for. Nevertheless, the violinist, whoever it is, is magnificent. I enjoyed listening to this off the beaten path version of the Vitali Chaconne.
@ absolutely. He tapers off phrases with class, like in Mozart. And his vibrato is probably the fastest I’ve heard. It creates a very sensitive and tempered sound
Superb playing. I think in thé release speed slightly increased though pitch stays thé same. I Know his playing and normally vibrato a bit more relaxed due to increase of speed while pitch thanfully correct.
No any other violinist in the world's sound quality, phrasing, dominancy and sonority count to my ears when Arthur Grumiaux starts playing the Violin; No doubt he was the BEST Violinist of the 20th Century.
I think the purpose is not to define which one is the greatest
(what "great" means ?) but why I love one version or another.
We can often read on youtube : the best ever, the greatest of all time of the universe...
Life and music aren't hit-parades. We all have different sensibilities...
In this case the purpose was to make this version available to listening because it exists, I really love it and it wasn't on youtube. Enjoy !
Coincido, no es una competencia de virtuosos, todos son inigualables e irrepetibles, en base a esta hermosa interpretación efectivamente no es conocida y es una obra maestra para cualquiera que tenga el privilegio de encontrarla y disfrutarla, gracias por compartir, bendiciones...🌹
Thx a lot! To go even further, all that is perceived from the outside is specific to each, and therefore cannot be compared.
Divine rendition. Such grace (after all the chaconne is a dance) and sense musical discourse.
What true artist you are!! Didn’t want u to stop playing!!
Wonderful recording. He played this on his Guarneri that he played before acquiring the General Dupont Strad which was used on his Phillips recordings.
Thanks for the information, I love his Guarneri sound.
One of my idols growing up. Wore out his Mozart recordings. I haven''t heard this version of this piece.
I needed this today - the heart is indeed a lonely hunter. Thank you.
This has got to me too. He really had some "ear".
You are very welcome 😍😍🙏🙏
No any other violinist in the world's sound quality, phrasing, dominancy
and sonority count to my ears when Arthur Grumiaux starts playing the
Violin; No doubt he was the BEST Violinist of the 20th Century.
Ever, I think ...
he's got a really gentle sound.
I really can't tell wich Chaconne of the greats is the greatest. They all have there own very unique and wonderful beauty to it :)
this Dickinson's poem fits perfectly with the soul of this interpretation.
Something like the sad gracefulness of resignation...
Thank you for posting !
C'est vraiment beau.
ビブラートがさざ波のようで、とてもきれい。大自然を空想しながら聴くと気持ちがいい。アルチュールって、あの詩人と同じ名前だよね。関係ないけど・・・。個人的な感想だけど、名演は詩情が伴っていないと生まれてこない。絵画を鑑賞するのも同じだと思います。異論はあるだろうけど、子供では無理です。
BRAVISIMOOOOO¡¡¡¡¡¡
Heavenly performance.
In the original, this recording lasts 12:25, and this recording was processed on a computer
LOVELY!
これはメロディが他の人たちと違いますね。泣いているようです。今まで何を聴いていたのか・・・。
@venusianagent: THANKS A TON for putting this up!
Thanks! Very interesting, I came from Zino Francescettis version with its wonderful rich and bold tone, Grumiaux is more delicate lighter. Both versions are so beautiful. I highly recommend Grumiauxs Bach Violin sonatas with obligatory cembalo.
Very nice!!♡☆
@octcerviolin :
Hello ! I don't know on which score Grumiaux based his interpretation.
But something is sure : it's exactly the same as the one published in 1966 (10 years after the Grumiaux recording...) by Diethard Hellemann for Bärenreiter and still available (Hortus Musicus 100). In the preface Mr Hellemann says that "his" version is taken from a manuscript of Dresden library (Musica 2037 R/1).
I hope it can help you.
THIS ONE IS DIFFERENT
the cd/itunes ref are now in the description of the video ! :-)
Beautiful sound and 'baroque' interpretation. Surely with an italian violin...made in Cremona...
Baroque? lol
@venusianagent
Then it may be the original version of the Chaconne, not the version in which it was transformed into a violin showpiece by Ferdinand David and others. Thanks for putting it up!
This is not Grumiaux's 1956 Version, But other violinist. You can recognize that this version has fast tempo than Grumiaux's one. (Grumiaux's version has duration_ 12:13 seconds)
And this performance is rather light and not has rich and deep sound that grumiaux always has.
No chronometer, only my two old ears !
Anyway your weight of champagne if you give me the name of the violonist of this version 😄
The time of 12:13 you give is correct. However, this is unmistakably the Grumiaux recording from 1956 (vibrato, phrasing, etc. everything matches up).
The reason it sounds different is because it has been mysteriously sped up, digitally manipulated to play out faster (and not well; you can frequently hear tiny little "hiccups" in the sound, distorted artifacts from the process). Unclear as to who did this or what purpose it serves.
OzzyKingofKings probably a mistake from the uploader or UA-cam
Merci, Maître ,
Grumiaux' version is interesting for being the only one, I think, among the major "traditional" fiddlers, NOT to play the much extrapolated versions derived from Ferdinand David's 1867 edition (like the edition of Leopold Charlier which is the one most ordinarily played, with its violin techniques closer to Ysaye than to 17th or 18th Century violin), but to have gone back to the original manuscript kept at the State Library of Dresden. It is certainly less virtuosic and romantic, but, despite the piano accompaniment (kept very lean), definitely more authentic.
To the best of my knowledge, this is a sort of original unembellished version. Sorry I don't remember the publisher, but I used to play this version.
Bernard Chevalier Which version of the score are you used then?
Thanks!
THE OTHER EDITION IS MORE ROMANTIC FOR ME
Something like Gods playing !!! LES
@parachutes2005 : it's our pleasure !!! :-)
I think this is another elegant and romantic way of expression! It is different from Heifetz's strong and affectionate way of expression!
It’s a different arrangement of the piece. The one Heifetz played was romanticised by another composer
@@JohnDoe-sx2ij It was not "romanticised" but "modernised"
the best
This is the arrangement of Ferdinand David and not Charlier.
Is it just me or did he play a “C” and not a “C flat” at 1:34
it´s grumiaux version? because it´s not David, Anzelloti, Auer or Charlier.
Thanks for putting this !
on which release is this recording/where can i buy it?
I know well all the versions of this piece, and this performance is one of the most faithful to the original manuscript...even to much, since Grumiaux ( but is it him really?) plays many chords as written in the manuscript, but they clearly should be performed as arpeggios.
You're welcome !
What happened with the audio? This NOT the sound of Grumiaux. Vibrato and phrasing.....
Hi there ! Originally it is but for a reason that I cannot elucidate the piece which is 12 minutes 18 ends up at 11 minutes in the video... (so all sounds a bit faster)
@@venusianagent Thanks for your reply. I understand.
What happened with this sound track? This isn't the Grumiaux sound.
In spite of the mono recording (1956 !) we have undoubtedly here the state of the art of Grumiaux' trumpet playing !
Welcome to all youtube hifi lovers !
This doesn’t sound like Grumiaux to me. The vibrato is too fast and the lower strings don’t have the warm, horn-like quality that Grumiaux is known for. Nevertheless, the violinist, whoever it is, is magnificent. I enjoyed listening to this off the beaten path version of the Vitali Chaconne.
So sensitive
Seems Grumiaux had an inner sense of the "phrasé".
@ absolutely. He tapers off phrases with class, like in Mozart. And his vibrato is probably the fastest I’ve heard. It creates a very sensitive and tempered sound
@@bigol7169 keep in mind the sound has been a bit accelerated by the upload on youtube (I don't know why)
The violín is superb. But I prefer an organ than piano in this piece
Все хорошо, но не люблю я фортепиано!
Почему? Это великолепное пианино! :-)
Superb playing. I think in thé release speed slightly increased though pitch stays thé same. I Know his playing and normally vibrato a bit more relaxed due to increase of speed while pitch thanfully correct.
You 're right ! I still haven't worked out why the speed was increased a bit ! But yes, this version is amazing! Arthur...
No any other violinist in the world's sound quality, phrasing, dominancy
and sonority count to my ears when Arthur Grumiaux starts playing the
Violin; No doubt he was the BEST Violinist of the 20th Century.
Farzan Garmkhorani Jascha Heifetz thinks otherwise.
Francescatti is another great one.
Josef Hassid was the best violinist that ever lived.