My brother is like that. In my country there is extreme political turmoil due to an event in 2019, coupled with the pandemic. All this has led him to an exacerbation in those tendencies, polarizing his political view and of course being a pandemic negationist. It is completely impossible to have a nuanced conversation with him, everything is always redirected to the same groves and narratives. Every effort to have a discussion leads to a cascade of counterpoints that follow no consistency whatsoever in forming a unified opinion, just trying to "be right". For him, we are sheep, asleep, willfully blind. It is really tedious for me to have conversations with him. I have tried to point out the deeper communication issue but he just defaults to some of his deeply researched groves of discourse and nothing gets through. I see right through to his anger and despair but I just don't see how I can help him. It is just something that is so deeply intertwined with his ego that I don't see a way for him to be set free from it. And it affects most of his relations with other people. In my family, we approach the issue by trying to just not engage, but I don't see how that solves anything. Can you give some advice on how should I approach him?
"distress as a result of feeling uncertain" i've been working on sitting with uncertainty. I know i personally have a tendency to latch onto whatever makes sense when my reality is uncertain. but in reading esoteric philosophy, ive begun to understand that there is value in just sitting with that distressing uncertainty. im not as good with words as this guy is, so i cant really explain why. but i've found im less likely to jump up into arms defending things i dont know for certain.
That to me is real spiritual work so I'd say you're on a good path. It's not an easy task so it's great if you're making progress rather than singing nice sounding hymns as we can often end up doing with our spiritual work
I read a paper recently written by Maarten Boudry & Steije Hofhuis published: 18 August 2024 called, I think, Epistemic Black Holes. The paper makes reference to the area you’ve written about here on the first page but I haven’t read it all yet. I really like this podcast
Automatic denial of anything that could be labeled a conspiracy theory is no better than adopting a philosophy that completely inverts another that you despise. Ken Wilber said rightly that no one is smart enough to be wrong all the time. And let's not pretend that the very feeling of superiority conspiracy theorists are being accused of is not a motivation of their detractors.
Brilliant information, with reference and superbly presented 🙏🏽 🙏🏽 very much 👍 from a person driven almost crazy by an avalanche of these awful conspiracy theories ….. especially bad and generated by a minority political party in Australia now the elections there are on the horizon.
Perfectly unpacked! I will be revisiting this to get the words straight. I do want to add a thought here, though...the universe is far stranger than we can really conceive, and I'm not so sure Reptilians (etc, but I'm gonna zero in on these) aren't real in some sense, even if it's only a psychological impulse that plays out in the world & is subconsciously represented by the reptile (cold-blooded? base-brained?). I have never been inclined towards conspiracy theories, but I have had hallucinatory experiences which strongly suggested their reality anyway (which, going against my deep belief, caused me to question). This is just to say, I think some of these things become real the way our Gods have become real: they take on such strength as symbols that they are written into the etheric. (The unconscious? I struggle with terms.) Still I say, NO CONSPIRACY THEORIES! Because while they may be valid reality tunnels, they sure aren't pleasant ones, and you can simply choose a different tunnel (liberation, individuation!).
I do actually agree. In one of the earlier videos I took a look at the reptilian conspiracy and what it might mean if we look at it from a symbolical perspective and I think it does hold weight. The trouble for me is when you take it literally; that for me is when it gets dubious and as you put it not a great reality tunnel to go down.
@@TheLivingPhilosophy Wellll, it's proving a lot harder to find than I thought! Got a link? You've got way too many interesting-looking videos, like whoa...
Its almost impossible to have a conversation with them as well. They are so emotionally and psychologically invested it’s impossible
My brother is like that. In my country there is extreme political turmoil due to an event in 2019, coupled with the pandemic. All this has led him to an exacerbation in those tendencies, polarizing his political view and of course being a pandemic negationist. It is completely impossible to have a nuanced conversation with him, everything is always redirected to the same groves and narratives. Every effort to have a discussion leads to a cascade of counterpoints that follow no consistency whatsoever in forming a unified opinion, just trying to "be right". For him, we are sheep, asleep, willfully blind. It is really tedious for me to have conversations with him. I have tried to point out the deeper communication issue but he just defaults to some of his deeply researched groves of discourse and nothing gets through. I see right through to his anger and despair but I just don't see how I can help him. It is just something that is so deeply intertwined with his ego that I don't see a way for him to be set free from it. And it affects most of his relations with other people. In my family, we approach the issue by trying to just not engage, but I don't see how that solves anything. Can you give some advice on how should I approach him?
Well explained!
Thanks a million mvb glad you enjoyed it!
in canada critical thinking is not taught in high schools, it would go a long way in beating back ignorance if people were better educated
"distress as a result of feeling uncertain"
i've been working on sitting with uncertainty. I know i personally have a tendency to latch onto whatever makes sense when my reality is uncertain. but in reading esoteric philosophy, ive begun to understand that there is value in just sitting with that distressing uncertainty. im not as good with words as this guy is, so i cant really explain why. but i've found im less likely to jump up into arms defending things i dont know for certain.
That to me is real spiritual work so I'd say you're on a good path. It's not an easy task so it's great if you're making progress rather than singing nice sounding hymns as we can often end up doing with our spiritual work
this is the most complete and coherent starting point of investigating this phenomenon. thnx
Great stuff.
Thanks Paul!
Christianity is the largest conspiracy theory ever. It says that behind the scene, the devil and his angels actually control our reality.
Yep! And Islam is running a close 2nd.
I read a paper recently written by Maarten Boudry & Steije Hofhuis published: 18 August 2024 called, I think, Epistemic Black Holes. The paper makes reference to the area you’ve written about here on the first page but I haven’t read it all yet. I really like this podcast
Automatic denial of anything that could be labeled a conspiracy theory is no better than adopting a philosophy that completely inverts another that you despise. Ken Wilber said rightly that no one is smart enough to be wrong all the time. And let's not pretend that the very feeling of superiority conspiracy theorists are being accused of is not a motivation of their detractors.
There is a truth that I have found...most people don't lose their religion, they only change their religion.
Which ones are you talking about specifically?
Brilliant information, with reference and superbly presented 🙏🏽 🙏🏽 very much 👍 from a person driven almost crazy by an avalanche of these awful conspiracy theories ….. especially bad and generated by a minority political party in Australia now the elections there are on the horizon.
Perfectly unpacked! I will be revisiting this to get the words straight.
I do want to add a thought here, though...the universe is far stranger than we can really conceive, and I'm not so sure Reptilians (etc, but I'm gonna zero in on these) aren't real in some sense, even if it's only a psychological impulse that plays out in the world & is subconsciously represented by the reptile (cold-blooded? base-brained?). I have never been inclined towards conspiracy theories, but I have had hallucinatory experiences which strongly suggested their reality anyway (which, going against my deep belief, caused me to question). This is just to say, I think some of these things become real the way our Gods have become real: they take on such strength as symbols that they are written into the etheric. (The unconscious? I struggle with terms.)
Still I say, NO CONSPIRACY THEORIES! Because while they may be valid reality tunnels, they sure aren't pleasant ones, and you can simply choose a different tunnel (liberation, individuation!).
I do actually agree. In one of the earlier videos I took a look at the reptilian conspiracy and what it might mean if we look at it from a symbolical perspective and I think it does hold weight. The trouble for me is when you take it literally; that for me is when it gets dubious and as you put it not a great reality tunnel to go down.
@@TheLivingPhilosophy Oooh great! I am going to look for that video now.
@@TheLivingPhilosophy Wellll, it's proving a lot harder to find than I thought! Got a link? You've got way too many interesting-looking videos, like whoa...
So use critical thought to stop critical thought? Gotcha. 🤡🤡🤡
The dunning Kruger effect is strong with you.
“Use reality to prove reality. Gotcha” 🙄🙄