Is this the Greatest JAZZ ROCK LIVE ALBUM of all time?
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Santana’s Lotus is a contender for greatest live fusion album. triple album, brilliant cover, massive gatefold out and superb music.
Santana's most lysergic period captured in stunning glory. There is pro shot video footage of this tour in impeccable quality that can be found too.
Totally agree, a spiritual experience at the time and still uplifts me today. That whole middle jazzy period of Santana, including the solo albums, was a joy.
yes, and the newer remastered version with extra tracks is even more incredible, that tour must have been one of the greatest ever to see
@@GuyJames Wuh wuh what remastered version with extra tracks?
I think he is referencing the 2017 3 CD Japanese release Lotus: Complete Edition.
I was lucky enough to see Jan Hammer with Al Di Meola in London way back sometime in the 80's! Bloody amazing lineup!
I was fortunate enough to catch this tour in 1976 in Chicago. It was transcendent.
What did it transcend?
@@SusanBlakely-pd6mp the mundane and average.
I had the pleasure of seeing the Jeff Beck/Jan Hammer band twice. In the summer of '77 may have been '78 in Cleveland at the World Series of Rock. The dream lineup was Beck/Hammer band the original Todd Rundgren's Utopia and then Yes. What a night that was. In the fall of that year, in Buffalo they backed up the Beach Boys of all bands.
The set with the Beach Boys when they had more time. Jan Hammer's band played the first few tunes, then Jeff came out and they basically played the live album. The tour was to promote the live album.
I always marvel when I see the posters for some of these shows. One I remember was Santana headlining with Parliament-Funkadelic AND Sly and the Family Stone - all on the same bill! That would be three of my all-time faves ticked off in one evening.
As a new subscriber I love this content. Andy, you are able to express in words so well what I have in my head, but am unable to quite articulate verbally. Earlier I watched the biscuit top ten video and you made my day. Keep up the good work.
I bought Jeff Beck with the Jan Hammer Group Live when it came out in 1977, and was -- underwhelmed. Your ecomium convinced me to go back and give it a full re-listen. As odd as it sounds, I now understand specifically why I was underwhelmed. First, I thought Blow by Blow was sheer genius; it's still one of my five favorite albums. Wired was fine, but I didn't think it measured up to Blow by Blow, because nothing could. Listening to the live versions of the three songs from Blow by Blow (Freeway Jam, She's a Woman, and Scatterbrain), I now realize how integral George Martin's production was to the genius of Blow by Blow. I've always thought this version of Freeway Jam (one of my favorite Jeff Beck songs) was too busy, with Jeff making weird sounds instead of focusing on the "grooviness" of the melody. She's a Woman is my least-favorite number on Blow by Blow, and here it seems mostly an excuse to play with a talkbox. I really like this version of Scatterbrain, though -- it's the best you could do live without the full Martin lush production. The two songs with vocals (Earth and Full Moon Boogies) have never been especial favorites of mine, and I still think they're pretty disposable. Darkness, on the other hand, is much better than I remembered it. And the closing version of Blue Wind does that song -- the best on Wired, in my opinion -- complete justice. So I'm not sure that this is really the best jazz-rock live album ever, but because of your comments I've reexamined it for the first time in years. And for that I am very grateful to you.
I was in Philadelphia at the old Spectrum Oct 9 1976; and they were recording for this album. Unbelievable musicians. Bill Cobham and George Dukes opened. I loved a duel between Jeff and the violonist.; Jeff was going note for note with him.
I saw Jeff Beck & Jan Hammer Group live in Sydney in 77 I think. Brilliant! It was a lot of fun.
Yep, at the Hordern Pavilion. When the spotlight came on cutting through the darkness and fell on Jeff already playing, it was such a great moment. It was a much better concert than seeing James Brown or Living Color there many years later.
I was at the Hordern Pavillion Sydney show too. Blew me away! I still remember the incredible stereo effect the sound guys created with the intro of "Darkness/Earth In Search of a Sun". Most amazing gig I'd experienced at that point of my life! Agree with you Andy - such a brilliant album.
Jeff Beck live with the Jan Hammer Group👍👍
I recently picked up a vinyl copy of this album for a few quid. Hadn't even heard of it. What a find!
@@DrOz-007That’s a gem
The cover art comment is very valid.
"Returns" by RTF is a damn fine live album too....a great representation of the gig I saw at the O2!!!!
I would also recommend the Lee Rienour/Mike Stern Band live at The Blue Note, Tokyo video on You Tube, it also features a fiery Simon Phillips in full jazz/rock mode. If this was on CD it would be one of the best jazz/rock albums.
Nice "no one to talk to" rant. So true.
“Pick Hits Live”, by Scofield is a good one.
Andy,'Jeff Beck With The Jan Hammer Group Live' was what made the 12yr. old me a follower of Jeff Beck and 'Fusion' the rest of my life. I will say I agree,in that it really should have been a 2LP album, as 'Diamond Dust' & 'Cause We've Ended As Lovers' were two of his best live songs at that time. Although the best versions of 'Diamond Dust' were in 1980 'There & Back Tour', and the one night Jeff did it in 2006 with L-Shankar @The Greek Theatre. Jan Hammer deserves all the credit you give him. He was a great pioneer of the keyboard,and music at that time,like Jeff Beck. ... You really made me laugh talking about the Cover & Back,and made the point that it was important. BTW,the 'Jeff Beck With The Jan Hammer Group' was taken from more than one night. Jeff took a long time trying to choose and finally decide what songs to pick out. And it was mostly from an East Coast show,someone sent me a long time ago. Another fantastic show Andy,Thanks for what you do,really enjoyed hearing it!
That was my first jazz-rock/fusion lp too. It's awesome.
I knew the Miami Vice stuff when I was a kid and then was totally amazed to learn that it was the same guy in the Mahavishnu Orchestra when I got into them later on. Agree that JH's first albums solo and with Goodman and Beck are essential. I like the short videos where you're just talking about stuff you like.
After seeing your video, I bought a copy. A long time ago, my big brother won Wired off the radio. I used to listen to that LP over and over. Thanks for the video.
Jeff Beck with Jan Hammer is indeed a classic Andy. Between Nothingness And Eternity ditto. Tony from Australia
JB w/ JHG the greatest - smokin’ hot first side …
I'd go with any one of Miles' live alums recorded between 1970 and 1975....or Weather Report's Live in Tokyo.
nice! -- Casiopea - Live In Tokyo (speaking of) is worth a listen
That's about exactly where I'm at
The two live albums that came to mind for this topic were Miles' Dark Magus and Weather Report's Live in Tokyo
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They are critics who say:
While Pangaea is awesome as well, there is simply nothing like Agharta in the canon of recorded music. This is the greatest electric funk-rock jazz record ever made - period."
agree that Miles did some brilliant and intense live albums
Thanks for showing love to Jan and Beck. I was fortunate enough to see Beck with his all star cast including Jan at the Hollywood Bowl a few years ago. Such an amazing show. The first concert I saw of Beck was at the El Rey in LA with Vinnie on drums, Tal on bass and Jason on keyboard, Rod Stewart came out for an encore for two songs. The best show I’ve ever seen. Fortunate enough to see it with my son who has been a big fan and in his own right a fine musician. Nothing better.
Jeff Beck and Tommy Bolin were both very important for fusion/jazz
I still play my OG copy of Jeff Beck Jan Hammer Live all the time . I love it . One of my favorite live albums for sure. Easily top 5.
It's funny that you talk about Chick Corea as coming back to jazz fusion after being disenchanted with all the '80s "dialing in", etc., when there is nothing out of GRP that isn't dialed in or overdubbed or whatever. If you look and listen carefully, a large portion of the music is actually edited out (right along with pitch correction, I'm sure) of the final product so they can have that ultra clean, clean, super polished studio version of a live recording.
Chick Corea's main problem was that he had L. Ron Hubbard channeling Lord Xenu as his muse when creating his starship music. To The Stars!
Thanks for highlighting this album. I have loved the Jeff Beck records, Seventh Day, Oh Yeah? for years but have avoided this due to the crappy review on AllMusic. Same for Melodies. Great channel, how about ranking the RTF albums, including the massive live set at the end 😅
I was lucky enough to see them twice on the 76 tour. Second time was a stadium show when they warmed up for Fleetwood Mac. Mammoth stacks of 15" JBL's with crystal clear sound. It was a spectacular show all around. Jeff Beck could do no wrong back in the 70's. It's kind of ironic that hardcore rockers welcomed his foray into jazz with open arms while jazz critics still won't give him the credit he deserves as a jazz rock icon.
Brilliant album - always loved it, and agree it's underrated. I saw Jeff Beck with Jan Hammer last in Bristol about 15 years ago - magical ✨️
Yes, уes, yes! My favourite jazz rock live album of all time! And Tony Smith is one of my favourite drummers! Thank you, Andy!♥️♥️♥️
There's audio on YT of Steve Morse and Allan Holdsworth doing Freeway jam from a tour in the 80s
I managed to find this album a couple of months ago in a thrift store in very good shape for 4 bucks! Well worth it, excellent album. I've on a kinda Jeff Beck kick for a while now.
Chicago is prolific, but do they have an incredible live jazz/rock album? Chicago at Carnegie Hall maybe? (I know many either love or hate Chicago)
Their 1972 Live in Japan album is pretty good too. On the plus side, the horns are better recorded. On the down side, the song selection isn't quite as good. It's worth having both because the tracklisting is very different.
Love the Kath-era...
@@jazzpunk THAT was the real Chicago.
I actually like the more intense lighting. Just need to tone it down slightly and maybe add some fill light the same colour temperature on other side. Really makes you stand out from the background and seems more high definition.
I pic'd this album up a few years ago and agree it is a great album. Funny how there aren't a ton of great fusion jazzy live albums but there are for prog.
Great conversation. Another artist who was often associated more with Pop rock but had serious jazz fusion chops was Gino Vanelli. The album and particularly the song Brother to Brother with Carlos Rios on guitar and the great Mark Carney on drums is brilliant. Storm at Sunup with Graham Lear (later of Santana) on drums is a Jazz fusion masterpiece. Both albums were made in the mid 70's and hold up exceedingly well. Worth a listen.
I've literally just listened to this release for the first time -- it's good -- and I plan on listening to it again.... but, I'm not currently on-board with this album being so great (yet). Currently I am in the camp of it possibly growing or stagnating in stature subsequently. As for the recording quality, the audio IS quite good. BTW, I don't recall the mentioning of the absolutely great guitarist/composer Terje Rypdal on this channel. Rypdal even played a mean soprano saxophone too!
A high school friend introduced me to this album, Freeway Jam has been one of my favorite tunes
And, thanks for hipping me to Like Children. Same bias on my part - no guitar, this can’t be good 😂
LOL. Looking at the thumbnail, I was wondering why in the Hell is this the Best Live Jazz-Rock album? Andy is goin' with a GRP album? Good one. ;-)
Wonderful content right in the pocket as always. Question- is Anthem Of The Sun 1968 a seminal prog album? Is it jazz-rock? It is studio wizardry with lots of live raw material. I bought it back then (just turned 14) because i liked the cover. When listing my gateway album moments i almost overlooked how much it opened my eyes.
70s Jazz Rock Live albums-it's a crowded field, but you've managed to narrow down the best.
Agreed on Jeff Beck and Jan Hammer Live. BTW, Brand X Unorthodox Behavior. Now that’s a great Jazz Rock album.
Some people I have encountered over the years really disliked the Beck/Hammer stuff, but like you I always thought that live album was fantastic.
Wayne Krantz - Two Drink Minimum, incredible live album!
...love Lincoln Goines. Always try to pick up anything with him. Zach Danzinger is no slouch, either.
@@jazzpunk yes, those two were amazing. I didn't get to see that trio, but I did see Wayne when he had Lefevre and Carlock, around ten times, mostly at 55bar in NYC. Amazing shows.
Huge fan, saw Wayne many times on his various forays to the U.K., with a particularly transcendent gig at the Brecon Jazz Festival. It was in the ballroom of the Queens Hotel with the double doors open framing the rolling Brecon hills as the sun set. The band was on fire. Wayne even featured a review I wrote about one of his gigs in his website - I will have to check if it is still up there as it is years old now.
@@fusionfan6883 Nice! Glad to see he gets abroad and has an audience. Send a link of the review if you can.
@@antidote7 I looked on his current site and sadly it is not on there😔
Love JeffBeck,,sooounderrated! Happy that you referenced-‘Larry Corryel Eleventh house,,, as I was blessed to work w/ his keyboardist-the brilliant Mike Mandel -on 20 original song demos that I co-wrote w/ Grammy nominee songwriter Lou Stallman[ for the aspiring R& B singer- -Abbe Rivers [all modern soul tunes -]where Mike M. , was the engineer, arranger and sometimes [keyboardist -with ] for us,, with Lou as the primary producer on this project that lasted on and off from 1986-thru 1989……Mike is a genius,,,and a gentleman…..
I haven't finished the vid yet. When I got to "Mahavishnu vs Jan Hammer/Jeff Beck" I stopped because I wanna the Jan & Jeff album in it's entirety first. I've owned Between Nothingness & Eternity, Visions of the Emerald Beyond, Wired, and Blow by Blow since the mid 80s (and most of Return to Forever's albums since the late 70s - my intro to jazz rock). Of all of the above, I always felt that MO's music would've been better served if the songs were a bit shorter because the music and playing was SO intense. I have only heard a song or 2 from Jan & Jeff live, so......
Absolutely fantastic have a wonderful day ❤❤❤❤❤❤😊😊😊😊😊😊 Andy
I love the album cover, the front anyway. Blurry by design. Almost as good as Wired, and better than Blow by Blow, where Jeff looks like a miniature doll version of himself.
I always thought it should be a double album and its way overdue for a remaster/remix and re- release.
I sat through your life chat and enjoyed it immensely I'm just curious have you ever examined or listened to a group called Chase they were a jazz rock group back in the seventies I just was able to acquire their first vinyl and enjoyed it I think it has a lot of positive things about it certainly not one of the greatest ones but I think they're respectable I think you would enjoy their drummer
Wired is my go to Jeff Beck album. Enjoyed the live album but as it is on vinyl haven’t played it in a couple of decades. When I heard that Deep Purple had brought in Tommy Bolin, I seriously thought they must have mixed him up with the virtuoso Jan Hammer and his lead guitar like lines. Bet Jan is pleased his folks didn’t name him Jack.
“Jeff Beck live at Ronnie’s” is the live album I’ve played most over the past few years.
Excellent… I heard it first when it came out in 1977. I was 13 then, and I have listened to it ever since. Although I still prefer Alivemutherforya😉
Steve Kindler 's work on Dolphin Smiles is spectacular.
JT
speaking of interestingly underrated or overlooked live fusion craziness I would have liked to hear your views on the 1979 Trio of Doom concert album (I know it was released later but it's just mind blowingly "crazy") :)
If only Jean luc Ponty live was a double lp. I might pick it but Jeff is an excellent choice.
Casiopea's live albums ("Thunder Live" and "Mint Jams") are personal favorites!
Vinnie is just amazing on the tune Target on GRP live
No! It is, of course Alivemutherforya! Billy Cobham, Steve Kahn, Tom Scott & Alphonso Johnson☺️
I love that album !!
I bought it having only heard the musicians via reputation when I was about 14, and I loved it.
Andy has that album because I remember him showing it on one of the first vids I ever saw by him.
Bahama mama
Also not to forget Mark Soskin on keys.
Steely Dan Memphis live 1974 is a worthy contender and is light years away from the yacht rock I'm gonna take 5 months to obsess over the fade out to Hey Nineteen Gaucho + beyond era. Snarling guitars, duel percussion and keyboards, and the freedom to improvise in the context of incredible songs make this an essential jazz rock listen.
Great choice. Let's hope they re-release it as a double, they must have the tapes somewhere.
I have a lot of trouble understanding what is the jazz part of albums I listen to that are considered "jazz rock". I like the music very much, but my layman's ear is waiting to hear the musicians swing the beat or the sound somehow, but I don't hear that. I do hear kind different chord voicings and progressions than one hears in a blues-rock sound, but Steely Dan does that--are they jazz-rock enough to be seen as that? When I hear Joe Pass (and fill in the blank for similar artists) I know absolutely that I am hearing jazz ("Don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing"). Friends of mine in the 70s who had Return to Forever and Jan Hammer, Jeff Beck, etc. called it Fusion, not jazz-rock (interestingly, they were also always the kids who had the prog band albums--especially Yes, they all had Yes). Happy to be educated, please.
Also my favorite.....I have some bootlegs from this tour with the full set lists its a shame this wasn't a double album....also Stanley Clarke live 1976 1977 is a beast
You got me with the GRP album in the thumbnail! Well played Sir! Got to say that I never really rated this Beck/Hammer effort all that highly. It's OK but I never liked the production ( it always sounded a bit muddy to me ), and it always felt a bit cheap and cobbled together. A snapshot of a band rather than a big picture. The vocals drag it down a little bit and the cover as you pointed out is crap.
Some nice moments but a bit 'meh'. I think the Mahavishnu album is way ahead of this. It is interesting though how few live fusion albums were released at the time. Still if you want the live experience Andy you can always give 'Astral Weeks - Live From The Hollywood Bowl' a go. 😁( revenge suggestion for your GRP swizz! )
Same here...a few seconds into this...wow, I've been punk'd.
I think some went out & bought the album because of the thumbnail!
I think back in the day it was hard to capture this sort of music played live and then reduce it to LP format with the length and mastering concerns. As Andy mentioned, Between Nothingness and Eternity doesn't sound great on LP and another example would be Yessongs which to my ears sounds like crap in its original version. There's always a temptation to make it a triple album and then maybe nobody buys it. As another commenter pointed out, Lotus by Santana is the exception: superbly well recorded and I think it sold well too.
@@GuyJames I never really had a problem with the Mahavishnu recordings production it always sounded OK to me personally, although CBS definitely missed a trick by not releasing it with the rest of the gig as at least a double album.
II looked into the Beck/Hammer tour and it seems that a lot of the gigs opened with the Jan Hammer group playing alone and then Jeff would come on and join them to play the rest of the gig. So maybe there wasn't the material available for a full live album and I suspect that record company interest in the fusion scene may have been waning at this point so maybe there were budgetary issues? I don't think it's a terrible album and I'm glad that the pairing was documented but I play this a lot less than the studio albums and for me personally I wouldn't rate it as the best live fusion album.
Lotus is a favourite of mine and I splashed out on the japanese remastering which sounds even better than the original!
Zappa / Hot Ratts & Grand Wazoo . . .did those sell well?
well *darkness/earth in search of a sun* as a small progrock composition done by jazzrock musicians might have influenced your decision, that jeff becks live album with jan hammer and the amazing youngsters as rythmic basement, tony 'thunder' smith on drums and fernando saunders on bass could be the best ever. not to forget steve kindlers violin, that reminds me of the spirit of the mahavishnu o.
No, Oregon In Performance is. (not sure about the rock, but best fusion pick in my humble opinion)
It's really good.
Soft Machine - Paris 1972
British World Tour 1975 with John Etheridge is also a worthy contender. Bundles + new songs from Softs in excellent quality/performance. Just on Cuneiform alone there are so many great ones to chose from!
For a really spicy one, 'Drop' with Phil Howard on drums is pretty great, although overall I prefer the Marshall stuff. I think the Softs and Gong were to drummers what the Yardbirds were to guitarists
I agree with Between Nothingness as #1. Jeff Beck/Jan Hammer Live is awesome. Also great are Jean Luc Ponty Live (1979), Airto/Deodato In Concert(1974)(although more latin jazz fusion than jazz rock fusion), 8:30 by Weather Report(1979), and Return To Forever Live(1977).
Agharta. Miles Davis.
amazing...on the edge of Jazz Rock though
@@AndyEdwardsDrummer
How so? I've always considered it Jazz Rock.
I saw Miles with the Agharta band. Pete Cosey was incredible!
Lenny White, Mtume and Reggie Lucas out of the closer and wider Szene of Miles Davies and his Electric Szene also became very successful as Producer not to forget Marcus Miller.
Other JazzRock Fusion Players led a Double Life as Disco/Soul/Pop and R‘n‘B Session Players.
Many of them belonged to the few Musicians who could be touring Musicians and Studio Pros. A Split that not so many Musicians could Master.
It is also a Reason why JazzRock Fusion of the 70ties is still thought at Jazz Schools with an Academic Degree in Switzerland and in Germany but also in Berkley. (Do not know about France or Great Britain).
you should make a short of every time you've said "jazz fusion" on your channel!
Fairyland by Larry Coryell is another underrated jazz rock album (it's practically unknown). It has, in my humble opinion, his best recorded guitar playing (with a better tone than on the Live at the Village Gate). As a bonus, the great Bernard Purdie plays drums on it. He might be considered more of a soul drummer by snobs but he is just one of the best drummers ever, period!
Very advanced FUZAK 'Jun Fukamachi with New York Allstars Live' (Sanborn, Gadd, Brecker, Mainieri, finally Steps together with Brecker Brothers ) ...
i really like jeff beck's there and back. hard to compare it with wired but i really enjoy listening to it.
Try "Colosseum Live"....
We used to Play Wheres Jeff When Listening to that Live LP , Beck really wasn't up to being in a Fusion Band .
great choice by any means though!
Bloody Beato bundle; or embarrassing Edwards entreat? Shall we make a poll? (Don’t ban me, I’m just joking!)
honorable mention; weather report, 8:30
Funny, that it's that JB album that you pull out as a favorite. I've always liked Jeff Beck and have a number of his albums, but got rid of that one years ago. I thought that it was a bit too noisy, without the all star band on his studio LPs (though it dies of course have Jan Hammer on it), not particularly well recorded... just not as good as the studio albums. More recently, though I picked up a cheap copy and I find that I like it far more than I member. It's less jazzy and more rock than other stuff from that era, but if you're listening to it with that in mind, it's very good. It's less subtle, but more intense than his other fusion stuff.
It's true that there aren't many really.memorable live fusion albums. I thought of the double like one of Weather Report, which is good, but not really great, particularly when you compare it to the studio albums that came out at around the same time...
I traded that GRP Live album to a friend for an OG Steely Dan Greatest Hits. Good on me I think
I really like GO LIVE FROM PARIS
That's crossing the line
Yes fantastic, and Al sounds great as a sideman for a change. I also loved the follow studio album Go Too.
A number of Mahavishnu alumni on that album. Didn’t know the rift that occurred in Mahavishnu was due to religious differences.
Yep, the bloody Beato Bundle.
I'll need to revisit JB w/ JH Group Live. It didn't speak to me back then, even though I saw JB w/ JH Group (live.)
Between Nothingness and Eternity was a letdown for me also. And I saw the original Mahavishnu Orchestra in '71. (Incredible!)
I enjoy the Jeff Beck/Jan Hammer live album personally
Not sure how it only has 2/5 on AllMusic
Some critics amaze me
Miles Davis Live Evil Live at the Cellar Door 1970
Thought you were maybe preparing for a trip to Casablanca
Got the lighting in a sweet spot now if you’d ask me 👌🏻
fluke!!!
@@AndyEdwardsDrummerso was Herschel’s discovery of infra red. We all need a fluke from time to time 😄
I remember Pat Metheny, who I consider a brilliant musician and major influence on fusion and Jazz guitar being highly critical of this very album. He said and Im paraphrasing here: I’d hate to see Jazz Fusion defined by the likes of Jeff Beck and Jan Hammer.
Either Between Nothingness and Eternity or the Five Peace Band.
I wasted so much hard-earned money on the GRP Live album when I bought theVHS video. The editor of the video should be making french fries at McDonalds. "Ooh, let me show the sax player holding the sax whilst not playing while the drum solos are going on!"
The whole set list and concert bootleg is on UA-cam I think it's recorded in boston
It has I think 16 tracks and does have a alternate album cover...go check it out this is how this album should have been released
I contend that the best jazz-rock live album might actually be Bruce Hornsby - "Here Come The Noisemakers".
Ponty live..is great
RICHARD THOMPSON
Since you are such a great Fan of Jan Hammer I thought you could Venture into the World of Jazzrock Fusion from beyond the Iron Curtain.
The Kühn Brothers from Eastern Germany, Zbiginiew Namyslowski from Poland, Gabor Szabo from Hungary.
Namyslowski even had a Band called the Jazzrockers, doing Horace Silver funky Jazz. I do not know anything about Rumenia, Bulgaria and the Sovietunion when it comes to early Jazzrock Fusion, but in the first 3 Countries and in Czecheslowakia there were People who were in it from the latest 60ties and early 70ties on.
I doubt that there were Jazzrock Live records in East during Iron Curtain era.
(Btw. As early as 1950, Rolf K was only in the West. From 56 - 62 in the USA.
He brought his brother Joachim to the West via Vienna in 1965/66.
1968 and 1969 they recorded two (Free)Jazzrock albums:
The Mad Rockers, The Bloody Rockers.
Not Live , not in the East. But ahead of time.
@@narosgmbh5916 Exactly.
Joachim Kühn became a JazzRock Fusion Star in the early 70ties. Gabor Szabo became a JazzRock Star in the Mid 60ties in the Wake of Chico Hamilton.
Association PC made its first Record in Germany 1970 or 71.
But then there was a Guy named Njemen, a Singer who‘se Rock had a strong Jazzleaning.
I recherched that Stuff about 10 Years ago, but have to dig deep in my Files to find it again.
Milcho Leview was maybe from Bulgaria, and you might know more.
Attila Zoller from Hungary played with Herbie Mann in the 60ties and Elec Bacsik played with Dizzy and then started to play Electric Viola.
Behind the Iron Curtain, Rock was seen as potentially Subversive but Jazz was accepted. Since singing Rock in a Non-English Language was not always accepted by the Musicians themselves they might have switched to Instrumentals with a rockier electric Sound too.
Even though the Jazz Rockers with Namyslowski played Hard Boo on Records, their Name hints to the Future.
In the 70ties Jazzrock was quite big in Poland.
I saw Czeslaw Niemen at the 1972 Olympics in Munich. (Apparently Jan Hammer heard him there too. Two years later they made music together.)
But there are no Polish live recordings at this time of Niemen either.
@@narosgmbh5916 Oh, I am interested in Recordings of Eastblock Records in a Jazzrock or Electric Jazz Style, wether Live or in the Studio. Vitous and Hammer played together in Tchecheslowakia bevor they came to the West.
The Interesting thing was the amount of Top Players that occurred in the early 70ties.
Remember the DMP label? They were direct-to-tape live recordings.
did Tom Scott do Desire on that? Awful album...
@@AndyEdwardsDrummer I agree...but, no, it was on the ELEKTRA/MUSICIAN label...there's that "K", again.
I love Scott & The New York Connection & The L.A. Express...DESIRE is a sell-out (sorry). I just looked...I even bought the 4 albums post-DESIRE. I don't recall liking anything after APPLE JUICE (TARGET was so-so).
I bought some DMP albums in the day...when I bought into the DDD 'format'? Very clean recordings, sometimes a little sterile....maybe? Recently, In a bit of nostalgia, I have picked up a few that I missed out on...stuff like Chuck Loeb, Warren Bernhardt, etc
Tom Scott IS a monster player. John Klemmer is another one no one talks about who is a great player but gets pulled down that route. I really liked the tune 'Desire' on that album but the rest was lame. I got it for Vinnie C but he did not do much on it.
LOL, spouted the same conclusion as you asked the question...
You never mention Richard Thompson and very odd esp since you always speak of the English aesthetic. One would think he would rank highly in your pantheon of great Brit guitarists and rightly so. Few lyricists have the wit he does nor the chops both acoustically and on the electric. Both as a solo artist and with Fairport and that period with Linda. Is there a better motorcycle song than Vincent?
Don't know this album...but I love Rit...so just ordered it on ebay.
What’s the album?
@@franciscocanas5686 GRP allstars live......