Awesome information , i have a 10 ft pond prowler and a new Watersnake 55 # thrust motor and was debating between the 100 ah and 50 ah lithium battery and yes 30 ah was a good test but showed me what it could do . i have a small Watersnake 18# motor for my plastic canoe and run a small lithium maybe 18ah ? battery i have installed in a plastic ammo box . these batteries are awesome over the old heavy deep cycle batteries of course when out of juice they just shut down where the old deep cycle will usually give you a clue to head back to the ramp. for what i use it for i think i will go with the 50 ah battery .
Some great info. For the ponds I fish that would probably work great but would probably get a second just to make sure I could get back in without having to paddle.
Good video, very concise. I have a 13' tandem kayak and 2 trolling motors; 14 lb. and 50 lb. I have used a group 24 AGM, a 24 AH LiFePo4 and a 35 AH AGM. Both motors run at about the same speed, 2.3 mph, although the 50 lb. quickly reaches that speed and does better against a headwind. The seller of the LiFePo4 battery said it was too small for the 50 lb. and I should use a bigger battery or add another LiFePo4 of the same rating, in parallel. I was thinking I could run the 50 lb. motor off the 35 AH AGM. The group 24 AGM doesn't care because it quite large. But it's very heavy, half the weight of the boat, making it difficult to drag up steep banks. The LiFePo4 ran either motor, but I never tried to run it down, just used it to get around this small lake near me. I used the 35 AH AGM only on the 14 lb. I think maybe I damaged the LiFePo4 by running the 50 lb. motor off of it. The battery was working when I put it away, fully charged. I went to use it again about 3 months later and it was only 8 volts. As soon as I put it on any charger it immediately showed green/full. I put an incandescent bulb across the terminals and it lit, pulling down the voltage, yet the charger still showed full. Question - Can I use less than a 50 AH (LiFePo4 or AGM) on the 50 lb. motor? Question - Did running the 50 lb. with the 24 AH LiFePo4 damage the battery?
It sounds like the BMS in the battery went bad. The limmiting factor for the battery is the amp draw from the motor. A 50lb motor will draw somewhere near 30amps at full speed. Check the specs on the battery and try to stay 20% below max amps. But my advice is to buy a 100 Ahr lithium. I like the 100 mini from LiTime....its perfect for a kayak and will run the motor for many hours.
@@calres8626 I tried that, thanks. I connected a 12 v project AGM battery to it and waited overnight. I put the charger on both batteries in parallel and still nothing. I connected a standard 12 V battery charger and it showed full charge. I finally gave up and took it to Batteries + Bulbs to be recycled. Dead is dead. I bought a bigger, 35 AH AGM for the kayak and it seems to be working okay with the 14 lb. motor, as long as it's not a strong headwind, but I think I'm going to have to mount the 50 lb. on it and get a bigger battery.
BTW, have you ever made a lure that has the kind of tail that's on a Garland Slab Hunt'r ?? I am curious to see how this tail design would work on larger lures.
Franko I know this has nothing to do with this video but could you please share your recipe for your mid coat using the mimwax polyurethane? It would be greatly appreciated.
Im not really impressed, i actually thought it would last longer.. my buddy with basically the same setup says he trolls all day on half a charge.. is it because hes in a kayak or is he full of it. Im wanting to do this set-up to n a kayak but want longer run times.
If you assume that trolling all day means the motor is running all day that would be pretty amazing. Running 8 hours means you can only pull 3.75 amps. I suppose that's possible with a very light kayak and a very small motor set at a low speed.
I have a newport 46# thrust. Lead acid deep cycle battery, class 29 115Ah and weighs over 65#. On the 16' row boats with 3 people and gear? 2 1/2 hours maybe 3 on speed 3 though used speed 5 . got home and used 60% of the battery. (no damage) Same set up on my Wilderness systems Tarpon 120 (1999-2000 model) and it'll go 4+ hours on mostly speed 3 (sometimes 5 to keep up with friends as I tore my bicep and paddling hurts too much anymore). On the "wavewalk" which is a 10' kayak,catamaran,canoe... the wind affects that boat much more as it's tall and it will go with 2 people for 3+ hours at speed 3-4. that's 100# of motor and battery and two people weighing in at 300# totel...plus the 27# dog actually. Last year I bought a 100Ah lithium ion battery that weighs in at 23 pounds and I can literally double those times now. I'd say a 50Ah would be good for MOST people.. 100 for me as I'm gone all day now
@@bullyakker thank you for the input, if I can get 4 hrs I'll be ok. I only really need it to get out to the fishing grounds, then I can paddle around, fish , then power up for the trip back.
I am totally new to trolling motors and batteries and you are a wonderful educator. Thank you.
So nice to know I helped a bit.
Awesome information , i have a 10 ft pond prowler and a new Watersnake 55 # thrust motor and was debating between the 100 ah and 50 ah lithium battery and yes 30 ah was a good test but showed me what it could do . i have a small Watersnake 18# motor for my plastic canoe and run a small lithium maybe 18ah ? battery i have installed in a plastic ammo box . these batteries are awesome over the old heavy deep cycle batteries of course when out of juice they just shut down where the old deep cycle will usually give you a clue to head back to the ramp. for what i use it for i think i will go with the 50 ah battery .
Some great info. For the ponds I fish that would probably work great but would probably get a second just to make sure I could get back in without having to paddle.
Yes, great Info... I wanted to know about a cheap Li Battery for my Kayak and a 40lb thrust trolling motor. I think I'm sold.
Great information on the battery thank you
Good video, very concise.
I have a 13' tandem kayak and 2 trolling motors; 14 lb. and 50 lb. I have used a group 24 AGM, a 24 AH LiFePo4 and a 35 AH AGM. Both motors run at about the same speed, 2.3 mph, although the 50 lb. quickly reaches that speed and does better against a headwind. The seller of the LiFePo4 battery said it was too small for the 50 lb. and I should use a bigger battery or add another LiFePo4 of the same rating, in parallel.
I was thinking I could run the 50 lb. motor off the 35 AH AGM. The group 24 AGM doesn't care because it quite large. But it's very heavy, half the weight of the boat, making it difficult to drag up steep banks. The LiFePo4 ran either motor, but I never tried to run it down, just used it to get around this small lake near me. I used the 35 AH AGM only on the 14 lb.
I think maybe I damaged the LiFePo4 by running the 50 lb. motor off of it. The battery was working when I put it away, fully charged. I went to use it again about 3 months later and it was only 8 volts. As soon as I put it on any charger it immediately showed green/full. I put an incandescent bulb across the terminals and it lit, pulling down the voltage, yet the charger still showed full.
Question - Can I use less than a 50 AH (LiFePo4 or AGM) on the 50 lb. motor?
Question - Did running the 50 lb. with the 24 AH LiFePo4 damage the battery?
It sounds like the BMS in the battery went bad. The limmiting factor for the battery is the amp draw from the motor. A 50lb motor will draw somewhere near 30amps at full speed. Check the specs on the battery and try to stay 20% below max amps. But my advice is to buy a 100 Ahr lithium. I like the 100 mini from LiTime....its perfect for a kayak and will run the motor for many hours.
Sometimes the BMS goes into a sleep mode. Can try to run a 9 volt battery across terminals for a moment to see if it will “wake” the BMS into charging
@@calres8626 I tried that, thanks. I connected a 12 v project AGM battery to it and waited overnight. I put the charger on both batteries in parallel and still nothing. I connected a standard 12 V battery charger and it showed full charge. I finally gave up and took it to Batteries + Bulbs to be recycled. Dead is dead. I bought a bigger, 35 AH AGM for the kayak and it seems to be working okay with the 14 lb. motor, as long as it's not a strong headwind, but I think I'm going to have to mount the 50 lb. on it and get a bigger battery.
@@richward2288 that’s a bummer.
Great , super-informative video, as always. I was looking at this same battery for my inflatable ka/boat. Looks perfect.
Glad it was helpful!
Heck yea, perfect for a kayak or small lake. 4 NM is pretty reasonable distance.
Great info. Thanks! 😊
Good video. For that price you can get two and hook up in parallel.
Very true!
Supporting the channel.
Thanks bro
BTW, have you ever made a lure that has the kind of tail that's on a Garland Slab Hunt'r ?? I am curious to see how this tail design would work on larger lures.
Not yet!
If you where trolling with 2 speed setting you should get about 4 hours? Did the engine have maximizer you should get about 5-6h
Franko I know this has nothing to do with this video but could you please share your recipe for your mid coat using the mimwax polyurethane? It would be greatly appreciated.
Yes I can
I am thinking about getting a 50amp battery for my 40lb trolling motor on my kayak. What do you think?
That sounds like the perfect application to me.
Im not really impressed, i actually thought it would last longer.. my buddy with basically the same setup says he trolls all day on half a charge.. is it because hes in a kayak or is he full of it. Im wanting to do this set-up to n a kayak but want longer run times.
If you assume that trolling all day means the motor is running all day that would be pretty amazing. Running 8 hours means you can only pull 3.75 amps. I suppose that's possible with a very light kayak and a very small motor set at a low speed.
Ask him if you can borrow his setup for the day to test the results with your kayak before investing in anything.
@@flywrite great idea. I never even thought about that.
I have a newport 46# thrust. Lead acid deep cycle battery, class 29 115Ah and weighs over 65#. On the 16' row boats with 3 people and gear? 2 1/2 hours maybe 3 on speed 3 though used speed 5 . got home and used 60% of the battery. (no damage) Same set up on my Wilderness systems Tarpon 120 (1999-2000 model) and it'll go 4+ hours on mostly speed 3 (sometimes 5 to keep up with friends as I tore my bicep and paddling hurts too much anymore). On the "wavewalk" which is a 10' kayak,catamaran,canoe... the wind affects that boat much more as it's tall and it will go with 2 people for 3+ hours at speed 3-4. that's 100# of motor and battery and two people weighing in at 300# totel...plus the 27# dog actually. Last year I bought a 100Ah lithium ion battery that weighs in at 23 pounds and I can literally double those times now. I'd say a 50Ah would be good for MOST people.. 100 for me as I'm gone all day now
@@bullyakker thank you for the input, if I can get 4 hrs I'll be ok. I only really need it to get out to the fishing grounds, then I can paddle around, fish , then power up for the trip back.
It runs my electronics but I've never tried it on anything else.
think that battery could power my leisure suit???
Leisure suits are powered by the reflected light from disco balls....everyone knows that.
What charger you use for this battery???
Here's a link amzn.to/3Y9AeOr
@@EngineeredAngler thanks 🙏
Giant crappie
No boat, don't need to troll, but will let this run for the logarithm.
Thanks bro.