Public Policy is not law. Any Public Servant: Judges included must be held accountable. It is time for We The People to form Committees to hold these Rogues Accountable.
And how does one get on said committee? A vote? The same way we put others into office, including how half the states judges? I dont see this making a difference. They need to lose their immunity and be held liable for their actions.
I've never had issues with cops. I'm a law abiding property owner. I don't smoke anything, don't drink or do drugs. Never had a DUI, DWI, OR A TICKET IN OVER 35 yrs. For the last 2.5 yrs a drugged out. At shit crazy stripper would go off the rails EVERY full moon. Made false police reports on ME, screaming at their dispatcher she's going to kill me TWICE. They did NOTHING believed HER despite me living here 25 yrs without incident with any of my neighbors😮😮😮changed my opinion of cops. 😮
@@censorsstarve You are half right. Do you know the Phenix City Story? The same way one can become a 1st Amendment Auditor etc. We The People can form our own Committees without their permission and get with like minded People. We can hire attorneys, we can have attorneys file charges ans sue if needed to make it happen. We can Police The Police and other Public Servants. What do you think the Founding Fathers did when a person was being physically oppressed? Do you think they just stood there? A cop committing a crime is just a Criminal. We The People have every right to come to the rescue of any Person being victimized by government. Have you ever heard of The Battle of Athens in 1946? We The People are the final Law. What do you think the Founding Fathers had in mind when they established The Bill of Rights and The 2nd Amendment? The Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights were established to deal with tyranny, whether external or internal. We do not need their permission. What we need are REAL MEN not Gurly Men!
Against public policy? So, when and where was the class that the average citizen would have learned for the first time, that we can't do this? And while we are on the subject, when did we get the chance to learn we must exit the car when ordered? Cops are allowed to lie to us. So, with that comes the consequences, consequences that because they lie, we can't believe ANYTHING they say to us.
@@nonyabeeswax7111 Let's not forget there's at least two ways (both fortunately and unfortunately) that laws are created. One, legislatures; two, case law. The unfortunate part of this is, Pennsylvanian v. Mimms. The (f******) Supreme Court has eroded our rights and our protections as citizens with this case law that says police's lives are more important than citizens lives and rights. The part that is upmost unfortunate is that Mimms has two parts and 98% of the time (or more) the cops don't know the test they must satisfy to use Mimms as their excuse. 1) that its a legal stop [we are lawfully detained] 2) that the officer is concerned for their safety. Specifically, 'the officer may conduct a pat-down search if they reasonably believe the individual is BOTH armed and dangerous. I think the problem with this ruling is, there is no balance. The court stated and supported only the police at the expense of potential abuse to the citizens. We've seen videos hundreds of times how cops use Mimms to escalate the situation so they can be design arrest someone. We the citizens have no protection from the abuse of these bad cops. Interestingly, one dissenting justice said, "The Court cannot seriously believe that the risk to the arresting officer is so universal that his safety is always a reasonable justification for ordering a driver out of his car”. And he was right. What he predicted - the abusive power is wielded against the citizens over and over. I believe, we the people are not using possible tools to protect ourselves. We have no way to spread the word so what does work is shared over and over so every citizen knows how to deal with bad cops. What do I mean? We can not disagree with getting out. But we can talk and we can also be silent. Use each at the right time. For instance in this order. Start Recording. Anyone in the car, START RECORDING. 1. TALK: Officer, do you want us to comply with your questions and requests? Yes? Then how will demanding we get out of their car help you? Do you think demanding we get out of the car is going to improve or impede our cooperation? Don’t you have the common sense to know that you are escalating the situation? And that we are not going to be as cooperative - specifically with answer your questions if you force us out in the street a dangerous area? Do you understand that we the people used to participate in the social contract to believe cops were good. But you have taught us different. You have taught us not to assume good will from police. We don’t trust you. And police force that does not trust its citizens will get resistance, not cooperation. 2. SILENCE: Cop orders you to get out of your car. Don’t show disagreement. Exit, as you are exiting. Announce the time, and say “traffic stops are estimated by courts to take less than 20 minutes. The clock starts now”. Say it loud enough for your recording and their body cameras. When you exit tell them, “And under advice from my attorney, the second my foot touches the ground; I refuse to say anything else. I invoke my 4th, 5th and 6th Amendment. You don’t even know what that is. Do you still want me to exit my car?” Give them nothing. Say nothing. Once you say, “I don’t answer questions”, don’t keep saying it. If you said, you are not going to talk, then DON’T TALK. Just grin. Say nothing, nothing. REMEMBER: They will ask you the same questions over and over. You don’t have to answer any of them. If we stick together, we can change this. They've not always done it. They don't do it for their safety. They DO IT to make us mad, intimidate and hope we resist, so they can abuse, beat and tase us before they put us in a cage. Don't play their game.
@ article 3 section 3 taking away the rights of the people (government) is an act of war against them and an insurrection to overthrow the constitutional republic. Sanctuary cities are also treason, article 4 section 4
Public policy needs to change. It shouldn’t matter if someone is trespassing with a badge and a gun or just a gun. If they refuse to leave, then the Second Amendment should be in play.
What is deadly force to someone who is old and can die of force that a young police officer would just shrug aside? Even if not killed, the likelihood should disqualify Immunity.
In the rules of deadly force, if you feel your life or another is at risk of serious harm or death, you have a right to use proportional force to combat. People in America are just to scared these days and would rather take the charge or pay the fine than actually fight for their life, liberty, and freedoms.
Yep, I've had the county sheriff's come out and arrest the local cops for their criminal Acts. And I made sure to get the county DA out there to criminally charge them for being in possession of a loaded firearm during the defense may have a criminal act. The criminal act was fraud taking money to do a job and not doing the job description.
Document the entire situation (multiple cameras), explicitly exercise your rights (including but maybe not limited to your 4th, 5th, and 6th amendment rights), call your lawyer, and sue the department. Nothing else you can do unfortunately…
Time for Judges to be arbiters of the law and not public policy. Trespassing on your property is an illegal invasion of your property by the government agent. Just as we can be arrested for trespassing so to should cops.
Against policy not against the law. But always remember if you are threatened and the officer is illegally threatening you or harming you you have the right to defend yourself. By any means necessary. If he threatens you you have the right to defend yourself if he is in violation of the law protect yourself
Public policy is not supercede the constitution. Whereas a citizen has not only the constitutional right but civic duty to make a citizens arrest of anyone who commits a crime. There are no exemptions like police, lawyers, judges or politicians. Our constitution also tells us that no one is above the law. Lee vs Pennsylvania Plummer vs State and John Bad Elk vs US.
Cops LOVE ENGAGING IN MILITARY ASSAULT TACTICS. Cops love the power trip. Cops love coming and smashing down your door in the middle of the night, and dragging you off undressed. Cops love leaving your wife and children in a house with no door in the middle of the night in the middle of winter. Cops love the idea that your furnace will run up a sky high heating bill trying to heat the outside, but your pipes will freeze and burst anyway. Cops don't care if they're at the wrong house. Cops don't even care if they are successfully sued, because their brothers in blue will cover for them, and the taxpayers will pay the settlement. Cops love that qualified immunity will free them from being held personally accountable for their actions. Cops are into Enforcement, not Law Enforcement. Law enforcement has become the greatest concentration of psychopaths you will find anywhere. Somehow, I can't believe this is what our law enforcement agencies were created to do. Why would "The Public" create agencies to assault and abuse, and even kill them, rather that serve and protect them ?? Somehow, I'm missing how this is serving and protecting the public.
I always wondered that, say you are doing nothing but cooperation and suddenly the police is not getting the answers he wants and throws you down and puts a choke hold on you, you can not breathe and your life is in danger, if you do nothing you die, if you fight to protect yourself, you may die, what can be a answer
Screw public policy. The police need to learn that citizens have a right to defend themselves, and the State's Attorneys need to inform them of this fact.
Americans have the right to resist an unlawful arrest up to and including the taking of the offending officer's life, but good luck proving your case to the very justice apparatus he represents, you'll be lucky to survive to your arraignment.
If cops approach you, your first question should be: "Is this a consensual conversation? " Doing so, you'll establish that you are not being arrested, or detained, or under suspicion of a crime or under investigation. You can decline to answer questions, provide identification, or even engage in conversation with the officer. You can walk away from the encounter at any point without explanation. The officer can not use force, threats, or authoritative language to pressure you into cooperating or at any make you feel like you're being detain. you can ask the officer to leave your property. If, on your own property, you can refuse them the freedom of speech, and if posted, "no guns." Violations could be disorderly conduct and/or harassment.
@sandman6849 partly, castle refers to your home, "consensual encounter" laws are for anywhere a cop can legally be. The consequences of turning a consensual encounter into a detention could be violating the law, violating agency policy, and jeopardizing evidence of a crime.
Yeah I wish you could but you're right it's not appropriate for a civilian to arrest a police officer who is currently armed with a firearm or some other weapon are potential weapon The proper way to do that would be to request and in fact demand that you get a supervisor there and then carefully evaluate whether or not the supervisor when he gets there would have your back rather than the rogue officers back. The problem is that he's more likely to have the rogue officers back in yours, I do think that you should be able to file a complaint and it have an independent review by individuals from the public something similar to a grand jury proceeding to determine whether or not the officer violated his legal authorities
Public policy states: That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
Unfortunately many state courts have ruled the exact opposite... They have rules that you have no right to defend yourself no matter what the officer is doing. They ruled that you must bow down to the officer even if that officer is violating your rights or beating you a to a pulp that you have no right to resist death or severe injury as long as it's a police officer that's doing. Some states have tried to go even further and say that even if the officer is off duty and out of uniform and not in any way acting as a police officer... That any physical action against them is a crime worthy of capital punishment. Which means that if an officer is out after hours off duty at a bar getting shit-faced drunk and starts beating you up or otherwise assaulting you in intimate ways there is nothing you can do about it because the instant you defend yourself against this officer You are now in the wrong according to these politicians
Public policy i$ not law correct? Sounds like the policy of back of the bus? I prefer to $ue them in their private capacity then they have to pay for their own lawyers
Call the county sheriff and tell them you have someone impersonating an officer, and you need them to come take care of it. They have to be impersonating, since they are clearly and willfully breaking the law.
When you want to make a citizens arrest on a cop, you need a cop from another department or a sheriff to help you with the arrest. I've done this myself in California.
Well he is a foreign agent, as a member of the Bar, which is a part of the crown.... You have the right to council, council is not just an attorney. Council can be anyone.
If the armed police officer committing the criminal act resists your citizen's arrest, you can use deadly force, to resist his unjustified use of deadly force? 🤔
In Texas, a citizen may only arrest someone committing a felony or breach of the peace. My question to the people saying they could effect a citizen’s arrest is how will you effect that arrest? Would you take the officer/officers to the jail or before a magistrate yourself? In your personal car?
If it is a local cop... Call the sheriff ... At least in Ohio The Sheriff has ultimate authority. But if it is a Sheriff Deputy you will need to get a hold of the actual elected Sheriff
Jaleel Stallings won a lawsuit defending himself against police. Only one I ever heard of that shot back at police in self defense after they shot him in the chest with a 40 mm foam round.
Me if I try a citizen’s arrest: I'm placing you crooked cops under arrest! Cops: Cool story, bro. *2 hours later, I woke up to find myself in a hospital*
If govt employee knowingly & willfully violates policy, law, The Constitution what rulebook must I go to for immediate relief? Court system takes too long and complaints are dismissive. If I can be terminated for improper use of a turn signal then a govt slave / servant can also be terminated for lying and being an enemy combatant to The Constitution!
It is legal to resist an illegal arrest, using any force necessary. Against public policy? Public policy doesn't exist, if it contradicts Constitutional rights.
Bruh this comment is the one I am always looking for. Everyone always says “call 911 and report a armed intruder” it’s best if you know it’s a police officer to call the non emergency hotline so in court it will show you didn’t even waste any actual 911 call hours
Defending yourself against an officer is problematic at best. You should but his friends will generally not take it well and they have badges to hide behind
even if it is perfectly legal, they are armed. it's not a good idea to get into a physical confrontation with somebody that is armed with a weapon. then there is the issue of, what if you've made a mistake? if you're wrong, and you put hands on a police officer, you're screwed. it's just a bad idea all around. you are way better off just cooperating/obeying under duress and dealing with the situation in the court.
Whoa whoa whoa son You're trying to tell somebody that if an officer pulls a gun on you you're allowed you to send yourself you might get yourself disbarred over that one
Public Policy is not law. Any Public Servant: Judges included must be held accountable. It is time for We The People to form Committees to hold these Rogues Accountable.
And how does one get on said committee? A vote? The same way we put others into office, including how half the states judges? I dont see this making a difference. They need to lose their immunity and be held liable for their actions.
@@censorsstarveyou and what group of voted people? 😂
I've never had issues with cops. I'm a law abiding property owner. I don't smoke anything, don't drink or do drugs. Never had a DUI, DWI, OR A TICKET IN OVER 35 yrs. For the last 2.5 yrs a drugged out. At shit crazy stripper would go off the rails EVERY full moon. Made false police reports on ME, screaming at their dispatcher she's going to kill me TWICE. They did NOTHING believed HER despite me living here 25 yrs without incident with any of my neighbors😮😮😮changed my opinion of cops. 😮
@@censorsstarve You are half right. Do you know the Phenix City Story? The same way one can become a 1st Amendment Auditor etc. We The People can form our own Committees without their permission and get with like minded People. We can hire attorneys, we can have attorneys file charges ans sue if needed to make it happen. We can Police The Police and other Public Servants. What do you think the Founding Fathers did when a person was being physically oppressed? Do you think they just stood there? A cop committing a crime is just a Criminal. We The People have every right to come to the rescue of any Person being victimized by government. Have you ever heard of The Battle of Athens in 1946? We The People are the final Law. What do you think the Founding Fathers had in mind when they established The Bill of Rights and The 2nd Amendment? The Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights were established to deal with tyranny, whether external or internal. We do not need their permission. What we need are REAL MEN not Gurly Men!
it will take a militia to do it.
I have a weird feeling that "public policy" wasn't made by asking any member of the public
Nope
You always have a right to defend yourself.
True, but then you will be sent to the gulag because America is Fascist.
Unless it’s against a cop. Biggest gang out there
Why you have your 2nd amendment.@@ericschneider6005
The 2A is a sure response.
Not against law enforcement. Law enforcement officials are essentially above the law. That's how our justice system works.
I AM the public and I have no such policy
Policy is not a law the stronger the THREAT the STRONGER THE DEFENSE WILL BE
Any "policy" that is repugnant to the constitution is null and void.
"Public Policy" is not codified into Law.
Against public policy? So, when and where was the class that the average citizen would have learned for the first time, that we can't do this? And while we are on the subject, when did we get the chance to learn we must exit the car when ordered? Cops are allowed to lie to us. So, with that comes the consequences, consequences that because they lie, we can't believe ANYTHING they say to us.
For that matter, when the police Request that you exit the vehicle, are they aware that to decline isn't a crime.
@@nonyabeeswax7111 Let's not forget there's at least two ways (both fortunately and unfortunately) that laws are created. One, legislatures; two, case law. The unfortunate part of this is, Pennsylvanian v. Mimms. The (f******) Supreme Court has eroded our rights and our protections as citizens with this case law that says police's lives are more important than citizens lives and rights. The part that is upmost unfortunate is that Mimms has two parts and 98% of the time (or more) the cops don't know the test they must satisfy to use Mimms as their excuse. 1) that its a legal stop [we are lawfully detained] 2) that the officer is concerned for their safety. Specifically, 'the officer may conduct a pat-down search if they reasonably believe the individual is BOTH armed and dangerous. I think the problem with this ruling is, there is no balance. The court stated and supported only the police at the expense of potential abuse to the citizens. We've seen videos hundreds of times how cops use Mimms to escalate the situation so they can be design arrest someone. We the citizens have no protection from the abuse of these bad cops.
Interestingly, one dissenting justice said, "The Court cannot seriously believe that the risk to the arresting officer is so universal that his safety is always a reasonable justification for ordering a driver out of his car”. And he was right. What he predicted - the abusive power is wielded against the citizens over and over.
I believe, we the people are not using possible tools to protect ourselves. We have no way to spread the word so what does work is shared over and over so every citizen knows how to deal with bad cops.
What do I mean? We can not disagree with getting out. But we can talk and we can also be silent. Use each at the right time. For instance in this order. Start Recording. Anyone in the car, START RECORDING.
1. TALK: Officer, do you want us to comply with your questions and requests? Yes? Then how will demanding we get out of their car help you? Do you think demanding we get out of the car is going to improve or impede our cooperation? Don’t you have the common sense to know that you are escalating the situation? And that we are not going to be as cooperative - specifically with answer your questions if you force us out in the street a dangerous area?
Do you understand that we the people used to participate in the social contract to believe cops were good. But you have taught us different. You have taught us not to assume good will from police. We don’t trust you. And police force that does not trust its citizens will get resistance, not cooperation.
2. SILENCE: Cop orders you to get out of your car. Don’t show disagreement. Exit, as you are exiting. Announce the time, and say “traffic stops are estimated by courts to take less than 20 minutes. The clock starts now”. Say it loud enough for your recording and their body cameras. When you exit tell them, “And under advice from my attorney, the second my foot touches the ground; I refuse to say anything else. I invoke my 4th, 5th and 6th Amendment. You don’t even know what that is. Do you still want me to exit my car?” Give them nothing. Say nothing. Once you say, “I don’t answer questions”, don’t keep saying it. If you said, you are not going to talk, then DON’T TALK. Just grin. Say nothing, nothing. REMEMBER: They will ask you the same questions over and over. You don’t have to answer any of them.
If we stick together, we can change this. They've not always done it. They don't do it for their safety. They DO IT to make us mad, intimidate and hope we resist, so they can abuse, beat and tase us before they put us in a cage. Don't play their game.
but policy is not law. When you break the law you get arrested.
But yet the lawer wont tell you that it is absolutely legal to ignore illegal commands & to resist an illegal arrest.
And always says to spend thousands of dollars to hire a lawyer who first duty is to protect the court, not the client.
Sounds like the judges are committing treason
Treason doesn't mean what you think it means. Read the Constitution again.
@ article 3 section 3 taking away the rights of the people (government) is an act of war against them and an insurrection to overthrow the constitutional republic. Sanctuary cities are also treason, article 4 section 4
Public policy needs to change. It shouldn’t matter if someone is trespassing with a badge and a gun or just a gun. If they refuse to leave, then the Second Amendment should be in play.
If they can truly believe, we can truly believe and be in fear too.
Nope. I stay away as far as I can from cops no matter what, I just don’t trust them period😬
Policy........ what is public policy? Is that a law? How am I a party to policy?
Public policy....i never signed any contracts officer 😅
Since when did judges become the arbiters of "public policy"?
GET YOUR CAMERAS RECORDING AS SOON AS YOU SEE A COP!!!! THE CAMERA IS COP KRYPTONITE !!!!!!😮😮😮😮😮
Record from every angle.
The whole reason we have the Second Amendment
Refusing to leave sounds like deadly force to me
It is against public policy for people to prevent cops from violating your rights. Check.
Policy is not law!
It's really interesting that the cops do not have to follow the law but yet they expect us to pay them to make us a pay the law 🤔
Too many rules protecting the one that turn their back on their oath and the people
What is deadly force to someone who is old and can die of force that a young police officer would just shrug aside? Even if not killed, the likelihood should disqualify Immunity.
In the rules of deadly force, if you feel your life or another is at risk of serious harm or death, you have a right to use proportional force to combat. People in America are just to scared these days and would rather take the charge or pay the fine than actually fight for their life, liberty, and freedoms.
Call the Sheriff's Department on a city cop.
Yep, I've had the county sheriff's come out and arrest the local cops for their criminal Acts. And I made sure to get the county DA out there to criminally charge them for being in possession of a loaded firearm during the defense may have a criminal act. The criminal act was fraud taking money to do a job and not doing the job description.
"Public policy" is not law.
Call your state local federal Representatives demand they do away with qualified immunity or lose their job
How can I defend my self with out using force like a gun or pepper spray 🤔 on my property with a trespassing officer
Document the entire situation (multiple cameras), explicitly exercise your rights (including but maybe not limited to your 4th, 5th, and 6th amendment rights), call your lawyer, and sue the department. Nothing else you can do unfortunately…
@@ianlodge3318J6 people say that everything you said is BS.
@@ianlodge3318hold the elected individuals responsible by demanding all immunity be removed
You have a right to defend yourself against unlawful arrest or detention.
File criminal charges for trespassing after the fact.
Criminal trespassing laws supercede "policy"
Time for Judges to be arbiters of the law and not public policy. Trespassing on your property is an illegal invasion of your property by the government agent. Just as we can be arrested for trespassing so to should cops.
2nd Amendment exists for just such a reason. If it is illegal to oppose tyranny with the 2nd, then they are right and might as well not even have it.
Against public policy ? How about laws ?
Policy is not a law .
Public policy isn't law... It's policy and cannot be enforced as such. Only laws can be enforced
Against policy not against the law. But always remember if you are threatened and the officer is illegally threatening you or harming you you have the right to defend yourself. By any means necessary. If he threatens you you have the right to defend yourself if he is in violation of the law protect yourself
This is why the founders wrote the 2nd amendment
Public policy is not supercede the constitution. Whereas a citizen has not only the constitutional right but civic duty to make a citizens arrest of anyone who commits a crime. There are no exemptions like police, lawyers, judges or politicians. Our constitution also tells us that no one is above the law.
Lee vs Pennsylvania Plummer vs State and John Bad Elk vs US.
Then things need to change as the Police are out of control and need a complete reformation.
Call 911 and report it
I'm just curious if they enter my house without a warrant by breaking the do I have the right to use deadly force
The unnecessary force exception still looses to a screwed up mo knock warrant.
They should be outlawed.
Cops LOVE ENGAGING IN MILITARY ASSAULT TACTICS. Cops love the power trip. Cops love coming and smashing down your door in the middle of the night, and dragging you off undressed. Cops love leaving your wife and children in a house with no door in the middle of the night in the middle of winter. Cops love the idea that your furnace will run up a sky high heating bill trying to heat the outside, but your pipes will freeze and burst anyway. Cops don't care if they're at the wrong house. Cops don't even care if they are successfully sued, because their brothers in blue will cover for them, and the taxpayers will pay the settlement. Cops love that qualified immunity will free them from being held personally accountable for their actions. Cops are into Enforcement, not Law Enforcement. Law enforcement has become the greatest concentration of psychopaths you will find anywhere.
Somehow, I can't believe this is what our law enforcement agencies were created to do. Why would "The Public" create agencies to assault and abuse, and even kill them, rather that serve and protect them ??
Somehow, I'm missing how this is serving and protecting the public.
This is so fucked. No wonder they feel so emboldened.
No I won't end up on the hospital.. because he won't have the chance. If I have to defend myself from corrupt cops .. I'm not going to play fair.
Public Pol-I-ce ..... Key word. Policy is not Law.
I always wondered that, say you are doing nothing but cooperation and suddenly the police is not getting the answers he wants and throws you down and puts a choke hold on you, you can not breathe and your life is in danger, if you do nothing you die, if you fight to protect yourself, you may die, what can be a answer
Screw public policy. The police need to learn that citizens have a right to defend themselves, and the State's Attorneys need to inform them of this fact.
Americans have the right to resist an unlawful arrest up to and including the taking of the offending officer's life, but good luck proving your case to the very justice apparatus he represents, you'll be lucky to survive to your arraignment.
The Police Chief's wife, 'called her husband to say to him: she is 'held hostage' until the Police surrender immediately "! 😮
If cops approach you, your first question should be: "Is this a consensual conversation? "
Doing so, you'll establish that you are not being arrested, or detained, or under suspicion of a crime or under investigation. You can decline to answer questions, provide identification, or even engage in conversation with the officer. You can walk away from the encounter at any point without explanation. The officer can not use force, threats, or authoritative language to pressure you into cooperating or at any make you feel like you're being detain. you can ask the officer to leave your property. If, on your own property, you can refuse them the freedom of speech, and if posted, "no guns." Violations could be disorderly conduct and/or harassment.
Good points!!!❤
Castle doctrine.
@sandman6849 partly, castle refers to your home, "consensual encounter" laws are for anywhere a cop can legally be. The consequences of turning a consensual encounter into a detention could be violating the law, violating agency policy, and jeopardizing evidence of a crime.
If they are trying to harm me I'm not gonna just take it.
Yeah I wish you could but you're right it's not appropriate for a civilian to arrest a police officer who is currently armed with a firearm or some other weapon are potential weapon
The proper way to do that would be to request and in fact demand that you get a supervisor there and then carefully evaluate whether or not the supervisor when he gets there would have your back rather than the rogue officers back. The problem is that he's more likely to have the rogue officers back in yours,
I do think that you should be able to file a complaint and it have an independent review by individuals from the public something similar to a grand jury proceeding to determine whether or not the officer violated his legal authorities
I love my three big Pitbulls just try open the gate 😂😂
Public policy states:
That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
What officer? I didn't see any officer.
Unfortunately many state courts have ruled the exact opposite... They have rules that you have no right to defend yourself no matter what the officer is doing. They ruled that you must bow down to the officer even if that officer is violating your rights or beating you a to a pulp that you have no right to resist death or severe injury as long as it's a police officer that's doing. Some states have tried to go even further and say that even if the officer is off duty and out of uniform and not in any way acting as a police officer... That any physical action against them is a crime worthy of capital punishment. Which means that if an officer is out after hours off duty at a bar getting shit-faced drunk and starts beating you up or otherwise assaulting you in intimate ways there is nothing you can do about it because the instant you defend yourself against this officer You are now in the wrong according to these politicians
LEGAL MAXIM ● 𝑻𝒉𝒂𝒕 𝒘𝒉𝒊𝒄𝒉 𝒊𝒔 𝒏𝒐𝒕 𝒐𝒕𝒉𝒆𝒓𝒘𝒊𝒔𝒆 𝒍𝒂𝒘𝒇𝒖𝒍, 𝒏𝒆𝒄𝒆𝒔𝒔𝒔𝒊𝒕𝒚 𝒎𝒂𝒌𝒆𝒔 𝒍𝒂𝒘𝒇𝒖𝒍; 𝒂𝒏𝒅 𝒏𝒆𝒄𝒆𝒔𝒔𝒊𝒕𝒚 𝒃𝒓𝒊𝒏𝒈𝒔 𝒊𝒏 𝒂𝒔 𝒂 𝒑𝒓𝒊𝒗𝒍𝒆𝒈𝒆 𝒘𝒉𝒂𝒕 𝒊𝒔 𝒅𝒆𝒏𝒊𝒆𝒅 𝒃𝒚 𝒓𝒊𝒈𝒉𝒕. (Black’s Law Dict. (9th ed. 2009) p. 1835, col. 1.)
Public policy i$ not law correct? Sounds like the policy of back of the bus? I prefer to $ue them in their private capacity then they have to pay for their own lawyers
Call the county sheriff and tell them you have someone impersonating an officer, and you need them to come take care of it. They have to be impersonating, since they are clearly and willfully breaking the law.
Travel in groups, use equal force
The cop won't last very long in jail or prison. 😅
Can you make a citizens Arrest against an attorney?
When you want to make a citizens arrest on a cop, you need a cop from another department or a sheriff to help you with the arrest. I've done this myself in California.
The American courts system strikes again. In Britain, a constable is just a full-time paid citizen.
You have to live in a state that allows citizens arrest
This "lawyer " gives the worst beta advice ever
Well he is a foreign agent, as a member of the Bar, which is a part of the crown....
You have the right to council, council is not just an attorney. Council can be anyone.
The lawyer is trying to keep you alive, so that you can sue them later.
If the armed police officer committing the criminal act resists your citizen's arrest, you can use deadly force, to resist his unjustified use of deadly force? 🤔
@@tubro541exactly.
City police? Call the Sheriff. Or vice versa. Take it up in court.
No defending yourself against officers is a last resort of a horrible situation
In Texas, a citizen may only arrest someone committing a felony or breach of the peace.
My question to the people saying they could effect a citizen’s arrest is how will you effect that arrest?
Would you take the officer/officers to the jail or before a magistrate yourself? In your personal car?
If it is a local cop... Call the sheriff ... At least in Ohio The Sheriff has ultimate authority. But if it is a Sheriff Deputy you will need to get a hold of the actual elected Sheriff
Too bad i dont have the right to defend myself or my property anymore cus i wouldnt "arrest" someone breaking into my house.
Contact your attorney to respond to your home.
Just put a No Trespassing sign in your yard.
They're above the law.
For a citizens arrest it usually has to be an obvious felony that you witness.
TREAT ARMED INTRUDERS AS SUCH, CALL THE SHERIFF, REPORT THEM AS ARMED AND YOU ARE IN FEAR OF YOUR LIFE..
Jaleel Stallings won a lawsuit defending himself against police. Only one I ever heard of that shot back at police in self defense after they shot him in the chest with a 40 mm foam round.
They already treat the public like garbage
Define unjustifiable deadly force.
Me if I try a citizen’s arrest: I'm placing you crooked cops under arrest!
Cops: Cool story, bro.
*2 hours later, I woke up to find myself in a hospital*
If govt employee knowingly & willfully violates policy, law, The Constitution what rulebook must I go to for immediate relief? Court system takes too long and complaints are dismissive. If I can be terminated for improper use of a turn signal then a govt slave / servant can also be terminated for lying and being an enemy combatant to The Constitution!
🤷♂️ So you'd better not just attempt to arrest them. Make sure you successfully arrest them.
so u can defend yourself when u already gone, gotcha
Police in not law. We need a law to allow this.
Can't one defend one's self by using a weapon even with deadly force
Can you just call the State Police and have the officer charged and trespassed or does it have to be maybe a federal marshal to have him arrested ?
ill skip the citizens arrest and tell him to watch the treeline... its gonna get hairy
Remember that you can get shot for trespassing...
It is legal to resist an illegal arrest, using any force necessary.
Against public policy? Public policy doesn't exist, if it contradicts Constitutional rights.
Call the non emergency line or another police entity.
Bruh this comment is the one I am always looking for. Everyone always says “call 911 and report a armed intruder” it’s best if you know it’s a police officer to call the non emergency hotline so in court it will show you didn’t even waste any actual 911 call hours
Just make sure your friends are with you Smith an Wesson
Indiana cast doctrine, protects the citizen from the police.
I’m being charged with 5 offenses that are not even legal crimes. What should I do?
Defending yourself against an officer is problematic at best. You should but his friends will generally not take it well and they have badges to hide behind
Could you call the state police and tell them you have a trespassing cop on your property
even if it is perfectly legal, they are armed. it's not a good idea to get into a physical confrontation with somebody that is armed with a weapon. then there is the issue of, what if you've made a mistake? if you're wrong, and you put hands on a police officer, you're screwed. it's just a bad idea all around. you are way better off just cooperating/obeying under duress and dealing with the situation in the court.
Use your 2nd amendment rights. Citizens arrest will make you a statistic of police brutality or deadly force.
Whoa whoa whoa son You're trying to tell somebody that if an officer pulls a gun on you you're allowed you to send yourself you might get yourself disbarred over that one
Policy trumps law in many places of the USA. Our constitution is a joke
Me I git a b-82. They come through my door with out a warrent! I will defend my home!