Identity in Christ: More Than Just Gay | Fr. Mike Schmitz
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- Fr. Mike Schmitz explains why you are defined by the Fathers depth of love for you and not your wounds.
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You can always count on Father Mike to cut to the chase and get to the core of every issue. He never fails to put God in the middle of every single issue. I love you, Father Mike!
oh shut up!
So deep, compassionate & profound message. I never think this way, thank you Father, may God protects & bless you all the time!
Father Mike is the GOAT. This man has brought countless people to (and back to) the Church.
Satan calls you by your sin but Christ calls you by your name.
This is the Take Out of this video ❤
Thank God I never heard Satan call me anything.A lot of nonsense here .
AMEN
@@eamonbreathnach4613 Thank God Satan never called you anything! I agree. Now, listen to God calling your name. Because He is your Creator and Redeemer.
that’s deep🙏🏼
Your wisdom is always so profound for me. I wish I would have heard this message years ago.
As a gay, celibate Catholic, I find it very hurtful with other Catholics say that I can’t call myself “gay.” Yes, we aren’t defined by our wounds or our wins. But we use that kind of language all the time. If someone says, “I am an American,” we don’t say, “You can’t say that. That’s reducing your identity to an experience. You’re more than that.” If someone says, “I’m an alcoholic,” we don’t say, “You can’t say that. That’s identifying with your wounds.” I am gay. Yes, my identity is more than that. Just like my identity is more than being Catholic, or being a man, or being an American, or the thousand other descriptors I could use for who I am.
Second, for me, identifying as gay is about much more than my sexual attraction. Being gay means that I have had the experience of being afraid that there is something about me that, if it were known, would cause friends, family, and even my own parents to reject me. Being gay means having spent years policing every gesture and inflection of my voice for fear that it might "out" me. Being gay means I have had to listen to people who call themselves good Christians say hurtful and hateful things about gay people and not realize they were talking about me. And being gay means I have had to listen to numerous Catholics over the years try to tell me that I can’t even call myself “gay” because of how they want to interpret that label, rather than taking the time to get to know my experience or what that word means for me. It took me years to not hate myself for being gay, and often the rhetoric from other Catholics made that journey harder, rather than easier. Hearing “You can’t call yourself gay” sounds a whole lot like, “Actually, you should go back to hating yourself and feeling like you have to hide who you are from the world, because we don’t want your brokenness here.”
Don't ever hate yourself William. God loves you just the way you are ❤ Happy pride month
I don't think it is about calling yourself gay- this is more about other people choosing to see you as a human being, another person just like them. We all suffer.
William, I hear you. I don't pretend to understand much on this topic, other than my 1st cousin is gay and I love him. Always have, always will! I was 13 when he was born. Babysit him very often. He is so special to me because he is family and he is who he is-period! It's that easy to me.❤. Much warm Christian love William.
I hear you William... I want to join RCIA soon as an LGBTQ person. This insistence on saying `SSA` is an odd and hurtful one. I understand. I feel it too.
I'd probably read the new testament theres some important info in there. Pretty clearly states being gay is a sin. So is having sex with tons of people, i know people who have done this and are Christian the difference is they aren't proud of it, and repent because they acknowledge it is a sin. Sounds like you're proud of your sin which is alot worse than just sinning and repenting. End of the day we all have to face judgment, id rather show up humble than proud thats just me.
4:44 "If you and I try to define ourselves by anything less than who we truly are, it will always end up in heartbreak. It will always end up in pain.
I see where Father is coming from, but again... then should people stop saying "I'm an engineer/ teacher/ lawyer? I am American? I am an extrovert, introvert, INTP, ESFJ. Etc. Metaphorically and idealistically, I understand his point. We are more than our jobs, or our struggles, or our nationalities, or our personalities. But in our practical reality... we use it, because it can be useful, it can be helpful, and especially in a community that has experienced so much hurt from the Church, it is not our place to deny them words to express their experiences
@@dansedevie123 Hi Jess! Thanks for your response. Please let me know if this makes sense. You know how we strive to live in the world, but not of the world? Thanks to Baptism, I choose to make my primary identity in being an adopted son of God, and if you are baptized, then, I believe, you are my adopted sister. It's where we strive to keep our metaphorical pivot foot while placing our other foot in other roles in society for help with order, communication, solidarity, etc.
If we chose to make our primary identity are role as a teacher, and we lost our job, wouldn't that be devastating? Maybe after we lost that job, we realized with our sweet health, we could ground our identity in being leaders in fitness and handsome/beautiful models! But if we got in a rough situation with a bear damaging our appearance and crippling us? It would be depressing imo, and then we changed to label ourselves as a "depressed person". Sure, we might be depressed for the rest of our lives, but we could still be joyful believing that no matter what we are sons and daughters of God and all our value comes from Him, but instead if we were to wrap our entire being in depression, eventually, I think that would lead to despair.
By grounding our primary identity in God's love for us hoping to be with Him forever in Heaven if we choose to lovingly obey our Heavenly Father's will for us (since He loves us so much, He won't force us to be with Him in Heaven for all eternity if we want to choose to remain attached to this world or our sins), no matter what happens, we can still always remain joyful and hopeful in our purpose for the sanctification of men in Christ and the glorification of God. Nothing in this world can take that from us.
Quick things that might help for sake of brevity:
“The world's thy ship and not thy home.”
― Saint Therese of Lisieux
John 17:14 I gave them your word, and the world hated them, because they do not belong to the world any more than I belong to the world.
Romans 12:2 Do not conform yourselves to this age but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and pleasing and perfect.
Hope you have a joyful day!
The church today is heading down the WRONG path as in there are two paths to Heaven. The wide path leads to destruction which is the celebration and party oriented people. The Good Time Charlies. Then there is the narrow road which Christ calls us to. The Heretics in the church are hidden by the cloth and lie about their commitment to the Word that is in the Bible or God’s Word. They BASTARDIZE the word of God to say it’s alright to sin and when you do it, do it with zeal. Father Schmidt wants to take the easy road and say the sin doesn’t define you but come to the church and don’t repent to change your life. This is a journey down the wide path that Christ warns us about. Sin is sin and people like Father Schmidt, James Martin, Robert Barron, and the rest of these Ne’er-do-Wells are fruits of the poisonous tree. They are here to destroy the church from within by allowing these people from the Bacon, Lettuce, and Tomato Gangs, the Lavender Mafia, or the homosexual lobby are being allowed to enter the church, take up positions of authority and change church teachings of Christ. Basically, these perverts are allowed to be revisionists and the church is now God’s greatest enemy.
My primary identity is Catholic, but my gender identity is still a big part of my life. It didn’t vanish when I made a commitment to live the teachings of the Church, no matter how hard I prayed that it would. From the time I was 5 I knew I was different and I prayed for God to make me like everyone else. 50 some years later, still different. When I confessed my “differentness” to my parish priest as a young adult, I was terrified of what I would hear in response. What I heard was “God loves you, Jesus loves you, the Church loves you. Will you have a difficult walk? YES. everyone does in their own way. The promise is this: Jesus and Mary will walk every single step by your side if you remain faithful.” If a man is heterosexual, he doesn’t stop being heterosexual when he becomes a Priest and takes a vow of celibacy. He then has to stay close to God to keep that vow, just like I do. It is possible, it can be lonely, but in some ways I have found it to be a gift.
I'm lesbian and 9nly vame out when I was 24 years old. I hid for all those years in the closet until I exploded. I was a novice nun. I tried and prayed and attended Eucharist daily for all those years. I even tried to travel to the holy lands for healing. I gave my life to God believeing he would make me straight. I even studied at 19 until 24 yrs old to become a nun. I was a novice nun when I came out. I would pray divine mercy daily. Yet no healing. I was still gay. It was so debilitating. I got tired and told my family what I was hidding. Turns out I was kicked out of my home that I payed bills for since 17 and left to my own devices. I have always struggled to go back to God. Catholics never listen to us. They just say pray. I am well aware of the power of prayer. I have been doing it for over 24 years. What I want to understand, is why you treat us this way. My parents will never accept the full me. Thats okay but inturn it is showing me that I am not worthy of love just because of how I was born.
Sorry if this comes late. I can relate, since I’m gay and still trying to seek my way back to the Catholic church. I have a question for you if that’s okay. Why would it matter as a nun that you have homosexual urges? Hadn’t you already anticipated a life of celibacy? Because that’s pretty much the way to go in my opinion. Whether god lifts these urges completely or simply supports us in resilience is up to him. You didn’t choose to be gay, but you can choose whether to act on it or not. Being homosexual shouldn’t matter as a nun, because a sexual/romantic aspect of life is already out of the picture.
But I’m nonetheless very sorry about what your family did. Cutting off ties and kicking you out because you opened up to them is very sad.
It took me nearly forty years to realize that I am not an abuse survivor. I am a beloved child of God.
2:33 We are not defined by our wounds, weaknesses, or sins. We are defined by the depth of the Father's love for us and the capacity for us to be an image of His son Lord Jesus Christ in this world. Every one of us is broken, but that brokenness is not our identity. Otherwise, then we'll never escape our pain and shame.
This hit deep. So profound
@@debbiebickerstaff7235 Going to try to share it when I see the opportunity. Hope you have a good week, Debbie!
This has become more and more clear to me over the last few years; that world is trying to convince people that their identity is found in their inclinations and sins. I think this message is very wise and Fr Mike couldn't have said it any better, however some will not hear this because they don't see their sins as wounds in needing of healing, they have been convinced that they are something to be proud of... Jesus have mercy on all of us.
Of course, it is convenient the statisticians and those in power if people just blindly follow their stereotypes, without thought for the good.
These are mportant matters to discuss- let's listen to each other and find the way forward in love. Dismissing the real experience of people facing daily discrimination is not Christian. We need to be brave and I admire anyone who can embrace the discussion without resorting to insulting someone's lived experiences. We have to pray, and pray again on this.
Thanks so much for this. I appreciate Father Mike so much, but I also think it's okay to keep the words that describe my LGBTQ experience and community.
God love you Fr. Mike!!
Beautiful and loving reframe for all. We are all sinners. Who are we to not love or respect others who we judge?
Father Mike, you are an excellent teacher and communicator.. Thank you!
So well said Fr.Mike! Never heard of this angle/posture of the Càtholic Church. Beautiful, profound & compassionate. God bless for being true torch bearer of the Catholic true church 🙏
This is honestly so much worse than what I remember. I am gay, and I am not broken. It is not a wound.
Yes it is.
Should a gay person who lives in the Americas also not call themselves American? If they have blond hair, should they not call themselves blond? Should a married man not call himself a husband? Should a man with kids not call themself a father?
These terms don't completely define you, but they are each a part of who you are. Being gay doesn't fully define a gay person, but it is still a part of their identity.
The point isn't to avoid all descriptors, the point is to consciously not self-apply descriptors of sinfulness and woundedness. For instance, both homosexual and adulterous behaviors are condemned- and that is the scriptural word - in the Bible. There is no self-recognized adulterers community, because society views those activities as wrong. The reasons that adultery is viewed as wrong are biblically based. (Secular society would lose the debate that this is not factual, but that is a whole different topic.) Homosexual behaviors, however, have become accepted in secular society. This does not change their sinfulness according to God's word.
As a Christian struggling with constant attraction to people other than the spouse does not self-label with 'adulterer' or identify with an 'adulterous community,' neither should people attracted to the same sex self-label as homosexual and identify with a community engaged in sinful activities.
Being blond isn't sinful, being engaged in homosexual activity is. The point is to self-identify with being loved by God and serving him through repentance of sin and the overcoming of woundedness through his grace.
Jesus, Mary & Joseph, I love you. Save souls.
Call it gay, lesbian, same-sex attraction, whatever, but people with that set of circumstances, at the end of the day, the message is clear: acting upon same-sex, gay, lesbian desires, the Catholic Church considers disordered and sinful.
Same-sex attraction is not equivalent to swearing, theft or other sins. For heterosexuals, reproduction (not sexual activity, but the need to reproduce) is a basic need according to Maslow. It is a human need that can't simply be ignored, and doing so willingly, I imagine, is excruciatingly difficult.
For those who truly feel that attraction, it is a reality for them. There is no choice about who you are sexually attracted to, even though you always have the choice to act on those desires.
First, the church needs to follow what the Catechism says about how to treat people who have same-sex attraction: with love, and compassion. Without that, you can't hope for any Christians who feel same-sex attaction to accept Christ's teachings.
Imagine what the Church is asking them to do: celibacy, or marry someone of the opposite sex and procreate, all the while not being sexually attracted to your partner. That person who has same-sex attraction can still love their partner, but that partner will never receive the honest, physical expression of the love they truly desire from their gay/lesbian partner.
It is not the same celibacy as what a priest or nun does, but is called upon to do willingly. Gay people can be celibate and be in communion with the Lord. But if they act on their same-sex desires, they commit mortal sin.
I can't imagine anything as difficult as pushing that feeling down for your entire life, but that is what the Church (and God, ultimately) to do.
I would go so far as to say that those Christians who have same-sex attraction and choose to live a celibate life, offering their unmet sexual desires as a sacrifice to the Lord, are among the most holy and admirable Christians on earth.
If you are Catholic, you need to reflect upon what the Catechism says about God's children who have same-sex attraction. Many Christians and Catholics have not and it shows. Pray for each other.
I’m single, not a nun or a priest. And I’m expected to be chaste lest I commit mortal sin. How is my circumstance any different than that of someone who suffers from SSA? It isn’t. Unless I marry, I am expected to uphold my chastity.
It really isn’t hard to understand. The problem is the society we live in today, that puts so much emphasis on personal pleasure and lust, to the detriment of the soul.
Wrong. Protestant churches find communion with God not following every single Catholic theory. God didn’t tell you to deny LGBTQ existence, the church did. And there are other churches like some first Methodist or Unitarian that accept all people. Mike Schmitz confirms every LGBTQ plus feelings that they should leave the Catholic Church .
@@Braingrandchild If you don't understand how being chaste before marriage, with the possibility of eventually having a sexual relationship that is condoned by God, and the chastity expected of any person with SSA who will never be able to have a sexual relationship with the people they feel sexually attracted to...then I'm not sure how I can explain it to you.
You may or may not find a loving partner of the opposite sex, and will be expected to remain chaste for your entire life. If it is in God' will, and you live according to it, then that is your path. But you have options.
A gay person never will. Ever. There are no options. Chaste life, for life. It's no surprise to me that so many gay Catholics decide to enter the priesthood, given that perspective.If you love God and are going to be chaste anyways, I can at least understand it. In the priesthood, they'll have support and serve God. But that is not what the Vatican or other popular theologians suggest. No, they wouldn't want the "near occasion of sin" to tempt them towards the other men in the seminary...it would be unfair to those men who don't have SSA. And while that's certainly true, it doesn't make the reality any different. Nuns don't seem to fall under the same guidelines, though...at least, maybe because they can't be priests.
There is no easy way to explain these facts to Caholics with SSA. There are ways to talk around the topic, offer other things that they can fulfill their lives with (and there are many, as we know) But the least we Catholics can do who don't have SSA is to try hard to understand, empathize, and offer full support with prayer and love. That is the least we can do, rather than just dismiss them as "just another sexual sinner". They are not.
It's an immense cross to bear, one that can't be directly compared to anything a person with "opposite sex attraction" would face. Perhaps extremely advanced sex addiction, but at least even they have a chance at rehabilitation and a sexual relationship that is acceptable to God at some point. Gays and lesbians can't be "re-educated", though society and the Church certainly have tried. It just doesn't work.
I hope you can understand a bit better. I'm not out to change your mind: I can't, and you won't. But through your empathy and love for your fellow children of God, perhaps you can come to some new kind of empathy.
A Catholic who has SSA has only two choices: give in to their attraction, or bear their cross every day, literally for the rest of their lives. Not calling them gay or lesbian or whatever else does not make that any less challenging. No wonder so many just give up altogether, even though it will cost them their soul...unless they realize what it is they are fighting for: connection to God for eternity in the next life. That's the only thing that will pull any of us through these trials: the hope of eternal life with God.
I thank God that I do not have that particular cross, because many sexual sins are already potent destroyers of lives. I don't pity them, either, but rather, I pray for them to have the strength to live the way God calls us to.
To understand and empathize their situation isn't to condone their behaviour, either. Showing them love means we empathize. We are all broken, but not ewually broken. Some will have heavier crosses to bear, and this is but one example.
Peace be with you all, and may anybody reading this who has SSA, please know that God loves you. He created you, and he created you the way you are as part of His plan. His plan does not include sin, and so you have a heavy burden....but there is hope, and I pray that you don't turn away and follow the path the world has set out foe you. It will lead to nowhere. Choose God, put Him first, and great things will happen. And you are never alone: the Holy Spirit is with you at this very moment. Listen to Him.
God bless you all.
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Thanks so much for this. I have felt called to become Catholic, to live a chaste life, and to continue to love Christ with all my heart. When people find out that you're LGBTQ in the church, it doesn't matter if you're trying to live a pure life... they treat you so differently, and it hurts so badly. They assume you're living in rebellion. The only place I feel good is in prayer and Adoration, because I see Jesus and Jesus sees me. I don't want to be in the closet, but I am afraid of having my heart broken by Christians again.
in the end we all die, so it's either we prioritize the well being of our eternal soul by following His path or sin and give in the earthly desires for a few years and be damned forever ,OR ask God to heal you , as many have changed those desires for the better with His help.
Thank you Fr Mike. I needed to hear this. For my own life and identity…and for this understanding in ministry ❤
This is a silly argument. Saying that someone is gay does not reduce all of their existence to that one thing unless you try to mean it that way. Saying someone is American, an alcoholic, a doctor, disabled does not redefine who they are. We all understand what we mean when we say that and Fr. Mike is just trying to redefine that meaning to arrive at his conclusion.
Best talk ever.
Compassionate intent from Fr. Mike, but still off the mark. Let’s say my experience is that I get hives from eating seafood. Then I listen to Fr. Mike. Am I now supposed to believe that my identity is not that of someone with an allergy? How does having light skin tone affect my identity? It seems that there are inherent biological traits, not experiences, that constitute part of my identity. They may or may not seem like crosses to bear. I think that Fr. Mike and those who believe like him want sexuality to be two mutually exclusive things at once. On the one hand, they believe in “man and woman He made them”-that is, your birth sex is biological and should determine your heterosexual behaviors. On the other hand, they believe your sexual behaviors are mere experiences that don’t reflect your core identity. My view, as a heterosexual, is that most of the time same sex attraction is biologically driven-it IS who some people are, contrary to Fr. Mike’s teaching. God made gay people, too. Why doesn’t the Church accept this obvious truth?
No. Sin came into this world. We lost communion with God and that wounded us. It's also not clear that it is caused biologically there are identical twins who have not struggled with same-sex attraction. I think it has more to do with upbringing/socialization and broken families.
Thank you, FOCUS and Fr. Mike, for this timely message ❤
One can certainly talk about being gay-or any other identity without being reductive, Many gays have experienced NOT being safely able to name this aspect of their identity, thus the need to state, "I am GAY!" explicitly without shame. For many, the journey has been to be "super gay," so that it can with time to recede to be simply part of who one is. Further, being gay is not a "wound."
Why do they feel shame when they talk about it then? That's the whole reason they shout it from the rooftop and shove it down other's throats because they need validation. Why do they need validation? It's because deep down at their core they know it's not right. It most definitely is a wound.
The Holy Spirit speaks . . . . . . . . . AVE MARIA!
That’s a great reminder for everyone
Awesome explanation of the Church's teachings
This is a very good point and appreciate you explaining this!!
Amen! Well said, thank you!
Fr. Mike is wrong about this. This Catholic is happy to call my beloved friends and family members what they wish to be called. They are not wounded, but wonderfully made!
I really like how Fr. Mike framed it; it was both truthful and charitable. He put it very well.
Interesting the title of the video has changed. The underlying belief is that being gay is a "wound" or "broken", therefore, don't claim it. "Speaking the truth in love" is actually gaslighting the experiences, reality and above all, the existence of gay folks.
Minute 2:35 makes me sob. God bless St. J.P. 2. I needed to hear this today.
Thank you Fr. Mike ❤
Fr. Mike, conglomeration of cells tending toward the experience of what is colloquially referred to as a man interacting with the secondary experience designated priestliness. Just rolls right off the tongue, ya know?
I feel bad for his brother
I disagree with Father Mike.
This Catholic says gay. 😊
Do you also say gossiper? Thief? Adulterer? Sloth?
No. But I do say brother, teacher, friend, etc.
We all identify as many things. These roles, positions, or vocations don’t define the entirety of who we are. However, they do reveal to a certain extent something God has created in us.
For example, Fr. Mike is a priest. This one identity doesn’t define his whole existence as a child of God. But for us to not to call him Father denies something sacred God has placed within him.
The same can be said about LGBTQ persons. As a gay man, I don’t identity my whole existence as being gay. However, I do celebrate the diversity God has created in me and the unique ways this sexuality allows me to love the world.
To identify as LGBTQ is not to identify with brokenness, illness, or even sin. Rather to identify as LGBTQ is to rejoice in our creative God who has made different yet beautiful ways of loving.
@@nolanpribnow7441 That is not true. One should never say my “gay” friend, my “gay” teacher”, or my “gay” brother. Just how we would not say my “straight” friend, my “straight” teacher, or my “straight” brother. We live in such a hyper-sexualized society that some people have come to believe that we should publicly share intimate details about us and even use them to identify us. It’s dehumanizing. Christ gave us the Church that gave us the Bible, and his Church and Bible say that homosexual behavior is disordered. Adultery, stealing, and lying are wrong. Why does homosexuality get a pass? Just a few years ago, doctors could still say that homosexual behavior is unhealthy. If you are a Catholic then you must be familiar with the books Love and Responsibility and Theology of the Body. If not, please consider reading them. They were written by Saint John Paul II.
@@user-ks3qr5fk6m you are entitled to your opinion.
He really said that someone's attraction that they can't help and does no harm to anyone is so wrong and disordered that its like identifying a trauma survivor with their trauma.
It does not harm anyone, true. Same way masturbation doesn’t hurt anyone, “sex before marriage” doesn’t hurt anyone. But they are both sins. Btw, did u know that sin simply means to “miss the target”?
A lot of people today seem to make sexuality their sole identity, so I think that’s what he was really getting at. We are also so much more than our sexuality. We as Catholics look at the whole person; we accept all people into the church. We encourage everyone to a Holy life and the profound joy they can find in it. If only they can finally desire it for themselves.
So up lifting
I am currently causing chaos in a secular environment by identifying as a celibate gay Catholic in an environment that is 25% openly LGBTQ-sometimes my former identity is my witness.
This is dumb he’s creating a talk based on a non point. It’s also just inviting divisive conflict based on screenshots. Nobody is out here completely identifying people based on their sexual orientation. However it is an attribute that can be helpful for grouping or explaining worldview. The same goes for someone who is a teacher, nurse or someone with a broken arm.
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I'm a swearer, lent always costs me a small fortune
Ray Comfort needs to hear this
"conflating an experience with an identity" yes! Our identity as Christians is in Christ. Everything else is secondary. "Person-first language" is another great point! wow
I actually say it quite often. No regrets.
This Catholic does say gay.
Calling someone who wants to be called gay gay does not mean that we define them with that experience only. We say words like the poors, prisoners, criminals etc. all the time and it does not mean that now those experiences are all what they are. I think this message is well intended but I am afraid it will end up invalidating people's experience. There are reasons why LGBTQ are now being called LGBTQ and why gay has become the preferred word by homosexual men since the 60's. Gay and Bisexual men both experience SSA but they have their own story and struggles. Now I am curious..will my catholic brothers and sisters see and treat homosexual people differently when you use the word people with SSA vs the word gay?
The channel Geeky Justin does a great job tackling this question. Calling it Same Sex Attraction often frames it as a hurdle to be overcome, instead of just part of who someone is. There is nothing wrong with someone wanting to be called gay. Kind of like how there is nothing wrong with a married man wanting to be called a husband as opposed to "a person who is married".
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Wow this is so powerful and well said. I never understood the whole lgbtq “this is who I am” thing. I don’t walk around saying I’m heterosexual, it is who I am! Nope. Never said it, never will.
But the thing is, no one discriminates against you for being heterosexual. The LGBTQ+ community doesn't just define themselves by their sexual attraction, but their shared experiences. And even if you don't choose to be called heterosexual, doesn't mean we should stop other people from doing so.If it promotes dialogue and helps us meet people where they are and share the love of Christ, why not?
@Jess There is a difference in ‘meeting someone where they are’ in order to gently draw them away from sin and back to Christ, vs what the pride-ful movement is saying, to accept/embrace their sinfulness effectively leaving them in a state of sin. No! As Christians we have a duty to LOVE them enough to NOT validate them in sin but to draw them back in Truth. Likewise, we would not encourage someone we love to continue stealing, cheating on a spouse, etc. Genuine love desires the GOOD for the other- which is conforming to God’s perfect design for us, not a disordered state. ♥️
"same sex attracted" is as much of an identity as "gay", they mean the exact same thing: a person who is attracted to the same sex. I also experience being male, should that identity also be forbidden? should we call men "d*ck havers" now?
I prefer not to use the word "Catholic", because that's not Fr. Mike's identity, that's just an experience he has. He experiences Catholicism, it's not actually what he is.
You’d never hear anyone use “Catholic” before saying guy. But when it comes to people with same-sex attraction it has become acceptable for them to be called “the gay guy”. If you think about it, we don’t describe people who are not same-sex attracted by their sexual orientation and attach it to their identity. Religion and ethnicity has been used as an adjective to describe people but it is something apparent. Our sexuality is a private intimate detail about us that shouldn’t be used to identify us. I use to be a teacher and had a get to know me activity where I asked the students on a piece of paper their name, their hobby, what they hoped to learn in my class (I was a foreign language teacher) and an interesting fact about them. I had been a teacher for 5 years at the time and usually students would share things about being in sports, talents, loving video games, singing, traveling etc. But in 2021, I had multiple students share with me that their interesting fact was that they were gay. This shows how hyper-sexualized the new generation is that they are willing to share intimate information about their sexuality with total strangers. When I was in high school the last person that I would ever share information about my “orientation” with would be a teacher. It’s just not appropriate to identify people this way, to share this information with strangers, much less, to expect others to identify you this way.
@@user-ks3qr5fk6mReligion isn't apparent unless you make it apparent, same with being gay.
I know a Russian dude that's a Hindu and you would never guess it just by looking at him.
I can't tell a Catholic from an Atheist if neither's wearing a crucifix and religion never comes up. Same as I can't tell a homosexual from a heterosexual unless they have a Pride pin or sexuality comes into the conversation. They are equivalent in terms of identity.
@@TheFoxfool That’s true. Yet, why make intimate details about our lives public? It is always inappropriate to share this type of information with strangers. This goes for people who are heterosexual as well. Unless, that stranger is your doctor. Why does the world (including preschoolers) need to know?
@@user-ks3qr5fk6m They make it public because heterosexual relationships are also very often public. If a heterosexual couple are in a relationship, they can go on dates and kiss in public and nobody will bat an eye, but a homosexual couple does it and people freak out.
Nobody is going to bat an eye about a guy talking about his girlfriend, but it's suddenly horribly offensive for a guy to talk about his boyfriend...
@@TheFoxfool I’m going to be honest with you. Kissing in public is not appropriate. Holding hands, giving a hug and even a peck on the cheek are appropriate and even part of many culture’s ways to greet someone. Two men or two women showing affection is scandalous because the behavior is disordered. From a medical standpoint, this behavior is unhealthy. Homosexuality has always existed and has always been disordered behavior. People of the same gender can be good friends but nothing else. If you are open to learning about this in more detail, I would like you to check out the Ruth Institute playlist here on UA-cam. They focus on different aspects of the sexual revolution and cover same-sex attraction. It is not as simple as people think it to be because this behavior affects everyone.
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Perhaps somewhat surprisingly given what spills out from the magisterium/catechism there is no demand/requirement by the Catholic Church for life-long celibacy so if you already have a loving relationship then there’s no need to beat your chest over it and if you don’t then ask/pray for one and enjoy and just focus on that! Take care. Peace🙏🏾
I listened without taking a side.
But still…that was different…
In a world riddled by identity politics, this message is so necessary.
Y’all changed the title of this so fast
YES!
Amen Father.
Where is the full talk for this, please? Could you share this please? Thank you. @FOCUS Catholic
Hi Cherry, here's the full talk. We'll put it in the description, too! ua-cam.com/video/2Vw_X7IkXB0/v-deo.html
@@FOCUSCatholic thank you so much!
Really makes me stop and think. Think about all the things I say I am...
I say I am an American but if America fell and I survived, Id just "become" whatever the name the next nation goes by. ie when Rome fell every Roman didnt disappear, they just were called something else.
Why do we constantly put ourselves in boxes or categories?
I am Gods. Everything else is an adjective of that. ?
Next time try a reflection on the Holy Father's approach to LGBTQ ministry.
Tell me how many homosexuals in the life of Saint Francis did he bless ?
The Catholic Church is double minded. They say oh your accepted here, and then in their voting guide, in the 34th section, they call us intrinsic evil. This is a show.
You are not enslaved by your nature
Can anyone tell me where the full video is? ☺️
ua-cam.com/video/2Vw_X7IkXB0/v-deo.html
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Titus3:5
He saved us, not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.
Philippians 3:9
and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith.
Romans1:17
For the gospel reveals the righteousness of God that comes by faith from start to finish, just as it is written: “ The righteous will live by faith.”
Romans 4:5
But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,
Romans 4:6
And David speaks likewise of the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
Romans 5:1
Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Romans 5:9
Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him…
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 8:39
nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
stop with the gotcha verses. read the bible in its entirety in context. Gotcha verses do nothing for no one.
@@davidcole333 I do just most are to lazy so I provide you with the gotcha scriptures you deny the entire thing and the gotcha scriptures lmao!! take one and please tell us the context , 🧐🤔😂
Maybe you should give a reflection on this to pope francis as he uses these terminology’s to define a person..
I agree experience is not the person
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'So who is gay?' - 🥸👨🏾🦱
Ancient Greeks and ancient Romens already had dissgusting practices that offended God , this is not something new at all, the Christian era showed humanity the right practices to gain heaven when he defeated pagan kings in the first centuries of Christianism.
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Yes which is why we need to stop saying “straight pride” too! Pride is pride is pride. Ain’t none of us straight. Heterosexual people have disordered attractions too! We are made male and female and The Church makes it clear how to treat each other with dignity no matter what your experience is, which includes helping you know your identity in God- instead of identity in your attractions. The problem is that the world has taught us we need sex to survive, but what we actually need is love. Sex without honoring natural biological functions isnt love, and that includes altering our biology based on our feelings and attractions.
I accept what the Church teaches about sex and homosexuality, I understand where Father is coming from, but the insistence on telling people they are not gay or lesbian and use your own labels (SSA) is only going to drive others further away and promote misunderstanding amongst those who are prejudiced against them. There are many Catholics who call themselves gay, or LGBT, and are faithful and doing their best to live chastely, as we all should.
I see this is only a part of a talk, and to take it and make it a single video with the title why we shouldn't call people gay is not a great idea. There is no Church teaching saying we can't say gay. It is such a misleading and hurtful title.
If a Catholic attracted to the same sex doesn't want to be called gay, that is fine. If they do, that is also fine too. I get where Father is coming from re person first language, but actually we are told to go by what the person prefers. Some prefer to be called autistic, or disabled, and not a person with autism or disability. Because it is a huge part of their identity and not all of it is negative. There is something to celebrate.
This insistence is doing the very thing we want to avoid doing- labeling people by their sin. Being gay is more than just being attracted to the same sex, and doesn't mean that a person is not chaste. There are many positive qualities as well that gay people have, for one strength in a society that marginalizes them. It takes a lot of courage to be gay, especially a gay Catholic. With all the issues and all the hurt being experienced by the LGBTQ+ community, this is not what we should be focusing on.
This post is NOT for those lacking Critical Thinking Skills. Dear LGB+ Catholic tribe I just thought that it was well worth pointing out that the importance of “PRIMACY OF CONSCIENCE” within both the Catechism, the Magisterium and Church teaching more widely including Pope Francis. Long story short PROVIDED you do some research/become as informed as you can it’s really up to you whether you accept the official teaching on same sex relationships, celibacy and all the rest of the nonsense! It’s all really between you and the Divine/God and the promptings of your own conscience. If you honestly feel that Church teaching on the matter is utterly wrong and actually quite harmful you are NOT REMOTELY OBLIGED to follow it. This applies to ANY Church teaching and not only that which pertains to sexuality. You are entirely free to repudiate anything that just doesn’t sit right! Your conscience is King! Be who you are and if you want a partner and don't already have one it's perfectly fine to pray with all of your heart and soul to the Divine and ask for one. I did that and found the love of my life! Also if you wish to marry there are other Christian denominations that will do that too if you want to stand before the Divine and make eternal spiritual vows to one another. Blessing although not marriage are also available in Germany and Belgium within the Catholic Church. And if you’re like me and do care about and want a relationship with the Divine then strongly developing your own personal conscience is a pretty good place to start imho!😁😄😄. Whenever everything fails in the Catholic Church it is to my Conscience that I turn. The psychopathic lunatics running the gaff aren’t very keen about you knowing this teaching power crazed as they are by nature. Good parish priests will always be at pains to regularly bring this teaching to everyone’s attention given that it is so PIVOTAL to EVERYTHING ELSE! The bad priests and church hierarchy officials will, however, be at great pains to omit this pivotal teaching from their deliberations, assertions, pronouncements etc, etc obsessed as they are with having AUTHORITY OVER YOU! So, don’t be scared, bullied or harassed or stressed! Your liberation from RELIGIOUS AUTHORITARIANISM awaits!
Homosexuality is sin in the bible Mike. just say it. Dont tickle ears and beat around the bush.. Yes your right we are all broken but we are to Overcome with JESUS. Bible says you can Become a new creature in Christ..
cringe take
I don’t think what he is saying is 100% correct, it could encourage people to live a sinful life, and yet would tell you that is not part of their identity.
Hmmm...Pope F. has used the term........then again he says ALOT
You can be LGBT and Catholic 👨❤️👨
Nope. Either your culture is Catholic or "LGBT". Either you live by God's rules or by Satan's. It doesnt matter what your genital preferences are. I hope you can one day break the worldly brainwashing.
Catholic in practice or Catholic in name only?
@@keithsimar3450 what is of Christ is what's rejected by the religious people. Therefore they make lgbtq people Catholic Christians
@@dansaber5853 There’s only two genders, so no, you can’t.
You can be a person with homosexual tentations and be Catholic, but you can not be a Catholic if you call yourself LGBT.
What is "gay" (joyful) about sodomy?
I BE rebuke satan
I BE REBUKE HOMOSEXUALITY
Just remember "they" took away the month of June from The Sacred Heart of Jesus.
It’s fine if they are celibate. They deserve a millstone if they tell any kids about it, though
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