Hi Richard, I just bought a 1442 and there is a basic guide on how to start fire... but not one single word about operating the lower valve... !!! So thank you very much for your perfect video ! Morso should pay you money for ! Thanks !
Excellent - in time you will adapt the use of both vents but good operation depends on so many factors, room ventilation (it needs a good air supply), the draw of your chimney etc but mainly using well dried logs is the key. If you notice the glass getting excessively black then you are burning too slowly creating smoke and not flame. If this happens and you want to clean the glass then get a paper towel, dip it in the ashes (when cold of course) and rub over the glass, it's better than any chemical solution. Rgds Rich
Just bought a 1410 ( old stock, can't get them now) and looking forwards to the install. You explanation on working the fire was excellent to listen to.
That's very kind of you. Being brand new it will stink for a couple of days so be prepared for that but I can assure you, you have purchased a great stove.
I have had morso squirrel for about 20 years. It will run 24 hours 7 days on 1 bag of Anthracite. Once burning well bottom air is about one quarter to a half turn open but I still open top about one turn this keeps glass clean and for logs top air only
My absolute pleasure.... just keep in mind, the more you close it down, the more the glass will soot up. It's a case of practice and if you need a little more flame then just open the bottom vent a tad until you get an actual flame, just don't let it smoulder. Rich
Hi Rich. I bought my Morso 1410 in 1988 second had for £50. No instructions. I now have it in our home from home near Annecy for holiday guests in the alps. The Morso, with a good draw and seasoned wood is simply the best. In England I have a Hunter Herald. Its double sided and big. It doesn't do the same job. Just love them.
Sorry for my late reply Paul... I also bought a second hand Morso 1410, it was down at our local refuge place. I paid £40.00 for it and all it needed was a new glass. I installed that one in my garage and I agree with you, there's not much on the market that's as good as the Morso. It sounds lovely when you say Annecy, I have spend a great deal of time skiing that area. It would be nice to check out you place for future rentals. Rich
Hi Richard, thanks so much for this video. I bought a 1410 two years ago and have been burning firewood in it. About four months ago I started using wood briquettes because it was hard to fit the firewood into the stove (I am in Australia and we use red-gum firewood which are often just too big). The briquettes are compressed saw dust with no glues involved. They burn hotter than normal firewood (probably because of the low moisture). When installed, I was given a very poor induction and in fact misled into thinking I just use the bottom vent in varying degrees of openness while burning wood. To be honest, I hadn't even noticed the top vent - and then thought it was just decorative. Yesterday the baffle collapsed into pieces of spongy furry iron. The front fender is warped significantly by the heat and there is a crack along the top of the stove (visible from both inside and out) and at the back, visible on the inside, above the fire brick where the baffle was located. At this point I don't know if the stove is useable with the cracks and I just need to replace the fire bricks and baffle, or whether it's completely ruined. The manual I downloaded (I wasn't given one) actually says briquettes are okay to use - so I assume that I have just been running the fire too hot by having the bottom vent open to some degree quite frequently. I have only been trying to figure out what went wrong for about 12 hours but it seems to me that in the first place I did not get a good induction. As I explore the internet for clues, I am confused as to whether this is a multi fuel or wood burner? I have found it listed as multi-fuel but then the specs say this stove uses timber while in other places I see it described as a wood-burner and not a multi-fuel stove. I am also confused about where the company is located so I can contact them. It is described as Danish but the main website seems to be in the UK. If you can help, or have comments, that would be much appreciated.
Wow, so many problems. I am no professional but I will give you my opinion. Firstly the 1410 is a rugged little stove so I am alarmed when you tell me about the cracked casing and the collapsed baffle. Let’s start with the wood briquettes. I think there’s a bit of confusion here, when we talk about briquettes in the UK we are mainly referring to coal briquettes which burn at a steady rate. Wooden briquettes in my opinion would burn faster and hotter, a bit like that train scene from Back to the Future. I can only conclude you might have put too much temperature into it? The 1410 is a multi-fuel burner, ours has been installed for several years and it’s runs on coal briquettes and wood depending on our stock situation. In general, when burning wood the top vent comes into play because you are really burning the vapours from the wood. With coal you have to burn it from below but sometimes it’s a mixture of both vents. I am guessing you must have a decent draw from your chimney because the wood briquettes were burning hard from below (the bottom vent open). How many briquettes were you burning at one time? Ideally the fire should have a steady glow and not a raging fire. We can put coal in our fire at 4pm and we would re-stock it after 4 hours (ish). When retiring to bed we shut down the burner and it will still be alight the following morning. At this point we either let it go out or we restock it. Personally I wouldn’t want to run your stove with those cracks, it could be lethal. Personally I don’t think the manufacturer would do anything to help, I feel they would come to the same conclusion but it’s always worth a try. The only other thing I can think of is this a genuine Morso or an inferior copy?
@@richardstamper5630 Many Thanks Richard for your generous reply. I would usually put a lot of briquettes in the fire and when they burnt they would expand to fill the cavity frequently pressing against the glass. They would burn very quickly if the vent was open at all and I would have to refuel every hour. Clearly, I was completely ignorant about how to use the fire and ran the fire far too hot. It’s a case of not knowing that you don’t know. I wouldn’t know how to tell if it was a genuine morso. It looks like one but then so would a fake I suppose.. Clearly I ran the fire “like a furnace” as someone put it to me, but at the time I wasn’t conscious of the difference between how a furnace runs and how a fire runs. It would have been good if the company, or the installer had provided really good instructions about how to use the stove. Do you know where Morso HQ is located as I would like them to have feedback and get guidance about whether the cracks can be repaired with furnace cement or not? Warm Regards and thanks again for the helpful video
@@charlespotter863 Hi Charles, I was just wondering what happened to your Morso saga. Morso tell me that when testing these stoves they run them up to 20kw, basically burning red but that temperature is brought up slowly. I am guessing your stove was cold and then went into bonkers mode not allowing time for the metal case to accept it. Anycase, let me know what happened. morsoe.com/en/customer-service/contact-morso
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This is a very good video but the information is incorrect. The top dial should always be slightly open. This is how the glass remains clear. You will find this in the Morso instructions.
I have just have my Morso installed and I tried to read the instruction manual and there were many infos missing. I will burn only wood so I'll keep in mind your suggestion about the vents. Thank you for this very helpful video!!!
Thanks for that. Don't be scared to use the bottom vent even for wood. It often depends how dry and what type of wood you are using. Well seasoned dry logs are perfect but from time to time we have burnt young logs which need a solid flame under them.
Thanks for the info. I had mine installed yesterday and had no idea what I was supposed to be doing. So different to other woodfire stoves that I have had in the past.
Yes it's annoying, the manufacturers give you little clue how to use the thing but with a little practice it's easy to have a comfortable evening with the Morso.
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Thanks so much for the info. Having my morso lined this week and a register plate installed as these were missing when I moved in to new property. Looking forward to hopefully save on gch this winter. Do you think logs or smokeless coal? Which do you find the most cost effective please? Plan to keep a burn on during the night. Thanks again.
Hi Richard, I've got a question for you. When you open the door of the stove and look at what then call baffle plate, do you see any holes in it? apparently they call them secondary and territory air systems. I
Thanks so much for this info. I've had a 1410 for nearly 2 years now and while I've never had a problem lighting it, I've always had problems with the glass sooting up, and I could never find how to set the valves properly, so I've always had both valves open, which I now know was wrong. I've always set the top valve to twice the opening of the bottom valve - no wonder I had smoke issues! I normally start the fire with wood, once it's established I load it with Excel coal nuggets, then whenever I want some flame I throw a log or two on - is this wrong, should I be burning either wood OR coal, but not a mixture? Does wood give more heat than coal, or vice-versa? And lastly, do you know of a suitable lubricant for the stove handles which have become very squeaky? Once again, many thanks for posting your excellent video!
First of all my apologies for not replying, I just missed your message. Seems to me you are operating your stove really well. I too sometimes run a mixture of wood and coal. The key is to keep and even glow but if the wood is a tiny bit damp then it will smoulder creating black soot. Coal when established has a gentle flicker whereas wood needs to burn so this can sometimes cause a conflict of control. With good control both fuels will give a similar performance except the wood would burn quicker and require more constant loading. Even with our years of experience it’s difficult to rule out a blackened glass, the best thing is to make sure you are burning the wood efficiently. Perhaps you know but the best way to clean the glass (when cold) is to dip a rag into the ashes and clean it with that, you don’t need any chemical cleaners. As to the squeaking handles there’s nothing you can do about this, it’s a by-product of the stoves temperature, anything you lubricate it with will soon dry out. We sometimes give the mechanisms a quick squirt of WD but this soon dries out. Finally, I think the key is not to overload the burner with wood because some of it will remain un-burnt for some time, small and often is my preferred route. Excel on the other hand works well with a decent load and can burn for hours and hours, ours is often alight the next day. I hope this helps. Rich
I have a Morso 1410, - Defra, M/F and have experienced terrible problems - 11.5 metres of flue does not help either! I agree with you 100% the instructions are pitiful, and in fact one would garnish more benefit from burning it as starter paper. Great video, however as you can tell I am still trying to find a solution as to why I can never fully burn all of my smokeless solid fuel. With that said I have cracked it with wood, and what a fantastic stove.
Sorry for my late reply but thanks for your comments. Smokeless fuel (from my experience) is sometimes hard to get going. It needs a lot of air and temperature to get it burning nicely. I am assuming you have a decent draw through the flue pipe, especially with 11.5m. They say you can test this by lighting a match or stick, let it burn for a few seconds and them blew it out, with the door partly open offer the smoke towards the door, it should pull it nicely into the burner. We have found that with our smokeless fuel it needs to be stacked right in the middle above the grate, unfortunately, the grate is fairly shallow on the Morso so getting that stack high enough is difficult because it falls to the sides where there is little air.. That said we seemed to have mastered that. We let the center get really hot then from time to time we move the un-burnt coal from the sided to the center. After a while we get a decent stack which on a good day can last for 2 hours. Finally, we have our lower valve fully open and turn it one or two turns when bright red. Rich
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Very good video I also found the instructions somewhat lacking in the control of the primary and secondary dials. "Backwash, secondary gases, all very confusing. I also just recently purchased the same fan from Amazon and I think I too should get a second. I learnt by trial and error and looking for videos about the controls. From now on I will turn off the bottom primary controller I used to have it cracked open a bit as the Fire always looked like it was going to go out. I also didn't use enough kindling so that was a good lesson to learn. Many thanks for this.
Thanks for that, to be honest, on occasions we also crack the bottom vent open when we want to get it going but once up to temp we start to close it again. Yes, a good stack of kindling really helps to get things going but what we could all do with is for Morso to create a great video about their own products - ah well. Rich
Thank u very much for this basic guide. I actually got a stove for free a week ago and I had smoke problems too. One question, what about burning from top and down, can the morsoe handle this method?
Sorry for my late reply but thanks for your comments. A free stove, can't be bad. We also got a second hand 1410 very cheap which we put in our garage. I can only guess you are not getting a good enough draw through the chimney - is it lined? Theoretically with the right setup no smoke should escape the burner so I am wondering if your chimney is too wide and the air is dropping back? Listen to me, I am beginning to sound like some sort of expert, which I am not. Before installing the Morso we had a Euroheat Harmony 5. This was installed with a 1mtr pipe into the open chimney and whist it sort of worked, smoke would exit the door every time we opened it. When fitting the Morso we did it properly and it's been great. Let me know your situation. Rich
Stove Fan works using a peltier cell that creates electrical power by being hot one side and cooler on the other. The electrical power drives a little fan motor .
Ah well that's a weight off my mind. I found your video AFTER lighting my squirrel for the first time. Horrible smell, boat full of smoke & both fire alarms going off 🤣🤣🤣
Yes, it happened to me and there was absolutely no info in the 'so called' user manual about that... so you have it on a boat, it must be really cosy in the winter.
Ok we just got this stove as well ! For our tiny home ? It’s 300 sq feet . But we can’t get this stove to heat the house more then 55 degrees ? The temp outside in neg 3 ... Also do we not use a damper on the flu at all ?
A bit confused - you say 300sqft and then you say heat the house. no stove will heat a whole house, it will only heat the room its in. Of course some heat will move around the house but without radiators you will never get the air hot enough. Our room is about 16' x 16', the outside temp is about 4 degrees and the room temp with the fire burning away plus a radiator is currently 24 degrees. What are you burning? is there a good flame? The Morso is rated at around 5kw, are you driving it hard enough?
Interesting- I asume you are British; your stove opens from the left and has the bottom vent functional (for coal)...I am in the USA and have the 1410, opens from the right and bottom vent was welded shut; they have a likely safety standard that we won't use coal, only wood- and if open, it can overheat with wood? Like another user here, I ground off the weld and welded on a nut to make it functional. I open it and the top one for starting topdown fires that do need extra draft. We do not leave the door open. The vent is at the top to create a downdraft to keep the glass clean; the secondary air comes from an opening in back of the stove to tubes in top of the firebox drilled with holes. You should see flames from these holes if the firebox is hot enough to burn the gasses and add heat and keep the chimney clean. A topdown fire works well, as it also has no smoke as the top flames ignite only the wood below and not trying to ignite the stack above, causing smoke. I pile 2"X2" hardwood about 8-10" long front to back from side to side, then use small pieces of softer wood piled on that, then sliver kindling 1/4" thick, topped with either a newspaper knot or use a propane torch to ignite the slivers. Once it reaches 600 deg on the stove top I close the bottom and adjust the top. Being in a loft, our chimney is short (14 ft) and I must open door slowly to encourage updraft before adding wood.
Yes, we are in England. Definitely sounds like a safety standard, or maybe they just don't want you burning normal coal as it can smoke quite badly. I have heard that burning wood delivers the same amount or gases as if the wood were left to decay naturally. In other words, you are just accelerating the process - which is good. I must say I am extremely impressed with your procedures, I recon you could write a book on successful stove lighting :-). Thanks for taking the time to write about your experiences. Rich
MUTSthumbsaver, am I correct in understanding that for starting the fire you stack the "fuel" upside down, i.e. in reverse order from what would be considered normal (paper on bottom, then slivers, then kindling, the bigger, etc.)? I am installing a 1440 Squirrel as I write this. Richard Stamper, Thanks for posting this video. Nice job.
Yes- in our Pacific Energy Summit Classic house woodstove, I either make "log cabin" fires or topdown. The log cabin is easier in a large stove, using 2x2" splits- 2 side logs, one across the rear, paper/small kindling in the center-then add front cross split, and add more kindling in the center, do this until it reaches the secondary air baffle above. I use a propane torch to start the fire under the bottom cross split, and open extra draft by keeping the ash flapper open. This will reach a "roaring" stage quickly and must be watched; I close the ash flapper when the single wall stove pipe reaches 600 deg and keep door draft wide open....secondary burn is reached quickly as evidenced by by blue/purple flames waving around the firebox. Then you'll see no smoke from the chimney. This is our "quick heat" fire in the morning. Using 2x2 splits (we have a splitter) at the maximum draft allowable (no more than 700 deg at stovepipe, we get very little creosote, never have "banked" fires at night as our house is foam insulated and with 20deg outside, may drop only 10 deg F. A topdown fire is as I described in earlier post-and will not smoke from the chimney as gasses produced are burned up. It is a slower fire, not needing watching even with the drafts fully open until it is half burned down. Easy in a Morso, as you can stack against the sides as you go up. My daughter uses a third of a firestarter stick (sawdust in parrafin?) on top of the small kindling. Do not block the secondary air tubes in the back. When the firebox reaches over 500deg the gasses burn up due to the air from those little holes in the upper air tubes. When it reaches 600 deg on the stovetop, I do close the "under grate coal " draft. C
We have had our 2 fans for 3~4 years with no issues. They should never be positioned directly over the burner as they would run too hot. Set them as far back as you can and if you really hear them whirring then they are too hot.
@@richardstamper5630 yeah I did have the, back off the main part of the stoves. I sold them along with stoves. But that was when they first came out many years ago. I am sure they have improved!
Had mine 35 years now when my son was small and he’s 40 in Jan.
Never knew this I’ll try it when I light this autumn.
Hi Richard, I just bought a 1442 and there is a basic guide on how to start fire... but not one single word about operating the lower valve... !!! So thank you very much for your perfect video ! Morso should pay you money for ! Thanks !
Just moved into a house with this stove and had no idea how to use it so your video has been very helpful, thanks!
Excellent - in time you will adapt the use of both vents but good operation depends on so many factors, room ventilation (it needs a good air supply), the draw of your chimney etc but mainly using well dried logs is the key. If you notice the glass getting excessively black then you are burning too slowly creating smoke and not flame. If this happens and you want to clean the glass then get a paper towel, dip it in the ashes (when cold of course) and rub over the glass, it's better than any chemical solution. Rgds Rich
Just bought a 1410 ( old stock, can't get them now) and looking forwards to the install. You explanation on working the fire was excellent to listen to.
That's very kind of you. Being brand new it will stink for a couple of days so be prepared for that but I can assure you, you have purchased a great stove.
I have had morso squirrel for about 20 years. It will run 24 hours 7 days on 1 bag of Anthracite. Once burning well bottom air is about one quarter to a half turn open but I still open top about one turn this keeps glass clean and for logs top air only
Thanks for posting this. Installing a 1440 before winter and so this is great to see how it actually works.
Thanks for that - it's all about playing with the unit until you find the right balance.
Thanks for your help,had stove installed yesterday and had no idea 🤷♀️ how to use the vents.I feeling a bit more convenient now ,many many thanks 😊
My absolute pleasure.... just keep in mind, the more you close it down, the more the glass will soot up. It's a case of practice and if you need a little more flame then just open the bottom vent a tad until you get an actual flame, just don't let it smoulder. Rich
Hi Rich. I bought my Morso 1410 in 1988 second had for £50. No instructions. I now have it in our home from home near Annecy for holiday guests in the alps. The Morso, with a good draw and seasoned wood is simply the best. In England I have a Hunter Herald. Its double sided and big. It doesn't do the same job. Just love them.
Sorry for my late reply Paul... I also bought a second hand Morso 1410, it was down at our local refuge place. I paid £40.00 for it and all it needed was a new glass. I installed that one in my garage and I agree with you, there's not much on the market that's as good as the Morso. It sounds lovely when you say Annecy, I have spend a great deal of time skiing that area. It would be nice to check out you place for future rentals. Rich
Hi Richard, thanks so much for this video. I bought a 1410 two years ago and have been burning firewood in it. About four months ago I started using wood briquettes because it was hard to fit the firewood into the stove (I am in Australia and we use red-gum firewood which are often just too big). The briquettes are compressed saw dust with no glues involved. They burn hotter than normal firewood (probably because of the low moisture). When installed, I was given a very poor induction and in fact misled into thinking I just use the bottom vent in varying degrees of openness while burning wood. To be honest, I hadn't even noticed the top vent - and then thought it was just decorative. Yesterday the baffle collapsed into pieces of spongy furry iron. The front fender is warped significantly by the heat and there is a crack along the top of the stove (visible from both inside and out) and at the back, visible on the inside, above the fire brick where the baffle was located. At this point I don't know if the stove is useable with the cracks and I just need to replace the fire bricks and baffle, or whether it's completely ruined. The manual I downloaded (I wasn't given one) actually says briquettes are okay to use - so I assume that I have just been running the fire too hot by having the bottom vent open to some degree quite frequently. I have only been trying to figure out what went wrong for about 12 hours but it seems to me that in the first place I did not get a good induction. As I explore the internet for clues, I am confused as to whether this is a multi fuel or wood burner? I have found it listed as multi-fuel but then the specs say this stove uses timber while in other places I see it described as a wood-burner and not a multi-fuel stove. I am also confused about where the company is located so I can contact them. It is described as Danish but the main website seems to be in the UK. If you can help, or have comments, that would be much appreciated.
Wow, so many problems. I am no professional but I will give you my opinion. Firstly the 1410 is a rugged little stove so I am alarmed when you tell me about the cracked casing and the collapsed baffle. Let’s start with the wood briquettes. I think there’s a bit of confusion here, when we talk about briquettes in the UK we are mainly referring to coal briquettes which burn at a steady rate. Wooden briquettes in my opinion would burn faster and hotter, a bit like that train scene from Back to the Future. I can only conclude you might have put too much temperature into it? The 1410 is a multi-fuel burner, ours has been installed for several years and it’s runs on coal briquettes and wood depending on our stock situation. In general, when burning wood the top vent comes into play because you are really burning the vapours from the wood. With coal you have to burn it from below but sometimes it’s a mixture of both vents. I am guessing you must have a decent draw from your chimney because the wood briquettes were burning hard from below (the bottom vent open). How many briquettes were you burning at one time? Ideally the fire should have a steady glow and not a raging fire. We can put coal in our fire at 4pm and we would re-stock it after 4 hours (ish). When retiring to bed we shut down the burner and it will still be alight the following morning. At this point we either let it go out or we restock it. Personally I wouldn’t want to run your stove with those cracks, it could be lethal. Personally I don’t think the manufacturer would do anything to help, I feel they would come to the same conclusion but it’s always worth a try. The only other thing I can think of is this a genuine Morso or an inferior copy?
@@richardstamper5630 Many Thanks Richard for your generous reply. I would usually put a lot of briquettes in the fire and when they burnt they would expand to fill the cavity frequently pressing against the glass. They would burn very quickly if the vent was open at all and I would have to refuel every hour. Clearly, I was completely ignorant about how to use the fire and ran the fire far too hot. It’s a case of not knowing that you don’t know. I wouldn’t know how to tell if it was a genuine morso. It looks like one but then so would a fake I suppose.. Clearly I ran the fire “like a furnace” as someone put it to me, but at the time I wasn’t conscious of the difference between how a furnace runs and how a fire runs. It would have been good if the company, or the installer had provided really good instructions about how to use the stove. Do you know where Morso HQ is located as I would like them to have feedback and get guidance about whether the cracks can be repaired with furnace cement or not? Warm Regards and thanks again for the helpful video
@@charlespotter863 Hi Charles, I was just wondering what happened to your Morso saga. Morso tell me that when testing these stoves they run them up to 20kw, basically burning red but that temperature is brought up slowly. I am guessing your stove was cold and then went into bonkers mode not allowing time for the metal case to accept it. Anycase, let me know what happened. morsoe.com/en/customer-service/contact-morso
Jesus Christ is the only hope in this world no other gods will lead you to heaven
There is no security or hope with out Jesus Christ in this world come and repent of all sins today
Today is the day of salvation come to the loving savior Today repent and do not go to hell
Come to Jesus Christ today
Jesus Christ is only way to heaven
Repent and follow him today seek his heart Jesus Christ can fill the emptiness he can fill the void
Heaven and hell is real cone to the loving savior today
Today is the day of salvation tomorrow might be to late come to the loving savior today
Holy Spirit Can give you peace guidance and purpose and the Lord will
John 3:16-21
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Mark 1.15
15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Hebrews 11:6
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Jesus
This is a very good video but the information is incorrect. The top dial should always be slightly open. This is how the glass remains clear. You will find this in the Morso instructions.
Thank you for the lecture. Really helped my new stove 👏🏿
I have just have my Morso installed and I tried to read the instruction manual and there were many infos missing. I will burn only wood so I'll keep in mind your suggestion about the vents. Thank you for this very helpful video!!!
Thanks for that. Don't be scared to use the bottom vent even for wood. It often depends how dry and what type of wood you are using. Well seasoned dry logs are perfect but from time to time we have burnt young logs which need a solid flame under them.
Thanks for the info. I had mine installed yesterday and had no idea what I was supposed to be doing. So different to other woodfire stoves that I have had in the past.
Yes it's annoying, the manufacturers give you little clue how to use the thing but with a little practice it's easy to have a comfortable evening with the Morso.
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John 3:16-21
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Mark 1.15
15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Hebrews 11:6
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Jesus
Great info and very clear.
Thanks so much for the info. Having my morso lined this week and a register plate installed as these were missing when I moved in to new property. Looking forward to hopefully save on gch this winter. Do you think logs or smokeless coal? Which do you find the most cost effective please? Plan to keep a burn on during the night. Thanks again.
Hi Richard, I've got a question for you. When you open the door of the stove and look at what then call baffle plate, do you see any holes in it? apparently they call them secondary and territory air systems. I
Thanks so much for this info. I've had a 1410 for nearly 2 years now and while I've never had a problem lighting it, I've always had problems with the glass sooting up, and I could never find how to set the valves properly, so I've always had both valves open, which I now know was wrong. I've always set the top valve to twice the opening of the bottom valve - no wonder I had smoke issues! I normally start the fire with wood, once it's established I load it with Excel coal nuggets, then whenever I want some flame I throw a log or two on - is this wrong, should I be burning either wood OR coal, but not a mixture? Does wood give more heat than coal, or vice-versa? And lastly, do you know of a suitable lubricant for the stove handles which have become very squeaky?
Once again, many thanks for posting your excellent video!
First of all my apologies for not replying, I just missed your message. Seems to me you are operating your stove really well. I too sometimes run a mixture of wood and coal. The key is to keep and even glow but if the wood is a tiny bit damp then it will smoulder creating black soot. Coal when established has a gentle flicker whereas wood needs to burn so this can sometimes cause a conflict of control. With good control both fuels will give a similar performance except the wood would burn quicker and require more constant loading. Even with our years of experience it’s difficult to rule out a blackened glass, the best thing is to make sure you are burning the wood efficiently. Perhaps you know but the best way to clean the glass (when cold) is to dip a rag into the ashes and clean it with that, you don’t need any chemical cleaners. As to the squeaking handles there’s nothing you can do about this, it’s a by-product of the stoves temperature, anything you lubricate it with will soon dry out. We sometimes give the mechanisms a quick squirt of WD but this soon dries out. Finally, I think the key is not to overload the burner with wood because some of it will remain un-burnt for some time, small and often is my preferred route. Excel on the other hand works well with a decent load and can burn for hours and hours, ours is often alight the next day. I hope this helps. Rich
Thanks - just lit my morso for the first time. Smoke everywhere - then saw your video. Great...
Well done, thanks for taking the time to make a comment - has it settled down now. Rich
I have a Morso 1410, - Defra, M/F and have experienced terrible problems - 11.5 metres of flue does not help either! I agree with you 100% the instructions are pitiful, and in fact one would garnish more benefit from burning it as starter paper. Great video, however as you can tell I am still trying to find a solution as to why I can never fully burn all of my smokeless solid fuel. With that said I have cracked it with wood, and what a fantastic stove.
Sorry for my late reply but thanks for your comments. Smokeless fuel (from my experience) is sometimes hard to get going. It needs a lot of air and temperature to get it burning nicely. I am assuming you have a decent draw through the flue pipe, especially with 11.5m. They say you can test this by lighting a match or stick, let it burn for a few seconds and them blew it out, with the door partly open offer the smoke towards the door, it should pull it nicely into the burner. We have found that with our smokeless fuel it needs to be stacked right in the middle above the grate, unfortunately, the grate is fairly shallow on the Morso so getting that stack high enough is difficult because it falls to the sides where there is little air.. That said we seemed to have mastered that. We let the center get really hot then from time to time we move the un-burnt coal from the sided to the center. After a while we get a decent stack which on a good day can last for 2 hours. Finally, we have our lower valve fully open and turn it one or two turns when bright red. Rich
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Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Come to Jesus Christ today
Jesus Christ is only way to heaven
Repent and follow him today seek his heart Jesus Christ can fill the emptiness he can fill the void.
The Holy Spirit can lead you guide and confort you through it all
Heaven and hell is real cone to the loving savior today
Today is the day of salvation tomorrow might be to late come to the loving savior today
John 3:16-21
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Mark 1.15
15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Hebrews 11:6
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Jesus
Very good video I also found the instructions somewhat lacking in the control of the primary and secondary dials. "Backwash, secondary gases, all very confusing. I also just recently purchased the same fan from Amazon and I think I too should get a second. I learnt by trial and error and looking for videos about the controls. From now on I will turn off the bottom primary controller I used to have it cracked open a bit as the Fire always looked like it was going to go out. I also didn't use enough kindling so that was a good lesson to learn. Many thanks for this.
Thanks for that, to be honest, on occasions we also crack the bottom vent open when we want to get it going but once up to temp we start to close it again. Yes, a good stack of kindling really helps to get things going but what we could all do with is for Morso to create a great video about their own products - ah well. Rich
Thank u very much for this basic guide. I actually got a stove for free a week ago and I had smoke problems too. One question, what about burning from top and down, can the morsoe handle this method?
see my comment above re using this with a topdown fire- no problem, no smoke compared to bottom up fire.
Sorry for my late reply but thanks for your comments. A free stove, can't be bad. We also got a second hand 1410 very cheap which we put in our garage. I can only guess you are not getting a good enough draw through the chimney - is it lined? Theoretically with the right setup no smoke should escape the burner so I am wondering if your chimney is too wide and the air is dropping back? Listen to me, I am beginning to sound like some sort of expert, which I am not. Before installing the Morso we had a Euroheat Harmony 5. This was installed with a 1mtr pipe into the open chimney and whist it sort of worked, smoke would exit the door every time we opened it. When fitting the Morso we did it properly and it's been great. Let me know your situation. Rich
May I ask does this type of wood burner morso squirrel have a roof fire brick? To push up top nr flu ? Kind Regards.
Hi, the morso has a top metal deflector plate and 3 x fire bricks, one each side and a smaller rear brick just under the deflector. Hope this helps
Hi
Does it mean you cant burn wood and coal combined, its either one or the other?
The combined gases of wood and coal together are extremely corrosive to both glass and metals. It is not a good idea to burn both together.
Stove Fan works using a peltier cell that creates electrical power by being hot one side and cooler on the other. The electrical power drives a little fan motor .
Thanks for that, all I know is they really help distribute the heat.
Ah well that's a weight off my mind.
I found your video AFTER lighting my squirrel for the first time.
Horrible smell, boat full of smoke & both fire alarms going off 🤣🤣🤣
Yes, it happened to me and there was absolutely no info in the 'so called' user manual about that... so you have it on a boat, it must be really cosy in the winter.
@@richardstamper5630 well now the smoke has cleared, it's very pleasant!
Looking forward to many a cozy night in the future.
Thanks that was incredibly helpful
Well thanks for your comments and for spending 18 minutes of your time to view. Rich
How do I operate the vents when I'm burning peat?
Never used peat and with recent conservation chats about peat perhaps it's not a good idea.
Ok we just got this stove as well ! For our tiny home ? It’s 300 sq feet . But we can’t get this stove to heat the house more then 55 degrees ? The temp outside in neg 3 ...
Also do we not use a damper on the flu at all ?
A bit confused - you say 300sqft and then you say heat the house. no stove will heat a whole house, it will only heat the room its in. Of course some heat will move around the house but without radiators you will never get the air hot enough. Our room is about 16' x 16', the outside temp is about 4 degrees and the room temp with the fire burning away plus a radiator is currently 24 degrees. What are you burning? is there a good flame? The Morso is rated at around 5kw, are you driving it hard enough?
When I say 24 degrees, I mean Celsius so around 75 in Fahrenheit - fire was started 2 hours ago
thx very much indeed for this video. Morso should definitely up there game on client support
nice one thanks
Very good vid.
Interesting- I asume you are British; your stove opens from the left and has the bottom vent functional (for coal)...I am in the USA and have the 1410, opens from the right and bottom vent was welded shut; they have a likely safety standard that we won't use coal, only wood- and if open, it can overheat with wood? Like another user here, I ground off the weld and welded on a nut to make it functional. I open it and the top one for starting topdown fires that do need extra draft. We do not leave the door open. The vent is at the top to create a downdraft to keep the glass clean; the secondary air comes from an opening in back of the stove to tubes in top of the firebox drilled with holes. You should see flames from these holes if the firebox is hot enough to burn the gasses and add heat and keep the chimney clean.
A topdown fire works well, as it also has no smoke as the top flames ignite only the wood below and not trying to ignite the stack above, causing smoke. I pile 2"X2" hardwood about 8-10" long front to back from side to side, then use small pieces of softer wood piled on that, then sliver kindling 1/4" thick, topped with either a newspaper knot or use a propane torch to ignite the slivers. Once it reaches 600 deg on the stove top I close the bottom and adjust the top.
Being in a loft, our chimney is short (14 ft) and I must open door slowly to encourage updraft before adding wood.
Yes, we are in England. Definitely sounds like a safety standard, or maybe they just don't want you burning normal coal as it can smoke quite badly. I have heard that burning wood delivers the same amount or gases as if the wood were left to decay naturally. In other words, you are just accelerating the process - which is good. I must say I am extremely impressed with your procedures, I recon you could write a book on successful stove lighting :-). Thanks for taking the time to write about your experiences. Rich
MUTSthumbsaver, am I correct in understanding that for starting the fire you stack the "fuel" upside down, i.e. in reverse order from what would be considered normal (paper on bottom, then slivers, then kindling, the bigger, etc.)? I am installing a 1440 Squirrel as I write this.
Richard Stamper, Thanks for posting this video. Nice job.
Yes- in our Pacific Energy Summit Classic house woodstove, I either make "log cabin" fires or topdown. The log cabin is easier in a large stove, using 2x2" splits- 2 side logs, one across the rear, paper/small kindling in the center-then add front cross split, and add more kindling in the center, do this until it reaches the secondary air baffle above. I use a propane torch to start the fire under the bottom cross split, and open extra draft by keeping the ash flapper open. This will reach a "roaring" stage quickly and must be watched; I close the ash flapper when the single wall stove pipe reaches 600 deg and keep door draft wide open....secondary burn is reached quickly as evidenced by by blue/purple flames waving around the firebox. Then you'll see no smoke from the chimney. This is our "quick heat" fire in the morning. Using 2x2 splits (we have a splitter) at the maximum draft allowable (no more than 700 deg at stovepipe, we get very little creosote, never have "banked" fires at night as our house is foam insulated and with 20deg outside, may drop only 10 deg F.
A topdown fire is as I described in earlier post-and will not smoke from the chimney as gasses produced are burned up. It is a slower fire, not needing watching even with the drafts fully open until it is half burned down. Easy in a Morso, as you can stack against the sides as you go up. My daughter uses a third of a firestarter stick (sawdust in parrafin?) on top of the small kindling. Do not block the secondary air tubes in the back. When the firebox reaches over 500deg the gasses burn up due to the air from those little holes in the upper air tubes. When it reaches 600 deg on the stovetop, I do close the "under grate coal " draft.
C
I heard the temp sensor sits on the top not on the pipe for an acurate reading
It should sit on the 'stack' chimney pipe about 6-10 inches above the stove.
I think the ecofans are a waste of money because I have three of them that only worked for a very short time. Unless they have improved them !
We have had our 2 fans for 3~4 years with no issues. They should never be positioned directly over the burner as they would run too hot. Set them as far back as you can and if you really hear them whirring then they are too hot.
@@richardstamper5630 yeah I did have the, back off the main part of the stoves.
I sold them along with stoves. But that was when they first came out many years ago. I am sure they have improved!
Agree that the instructions are pitiful!