How to Write in Ragtime or Saloon style (Songwriting Tips)

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  • Опубліковано 22 гру 2024

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  • @thugthatspatsomerealtalk2820
    @thugthatspatsomerealtalk2820 2 роки тому +9

    Thank you friend. This saved my HSC composition from a low D to a passing C. Couldn't have done it without you!

  • @stevengoomba6490
    @stevengoomba6490 4 роки тому +25

    I’m hardly a musician, but this made music theory kinda easy to follow! I’m a huge fan of Joplin’s rags, and this sounds like a contemporary rendition of that old timey charm. If you composed this yourself, nice work!

    • @OrcastraStudio
      @OrcastraStudio  4 роки тому +7

      Thank you!! and yea it's an original composition but the chord progression is borrowed ;) from Joplin's Maple Leaf Rag. Using existing progressions and then altering them for your own pieces is a great way to start to get into different types of genres.

  • @2li678
    @2li678 6 років тому +37

    I don't mean to be a horrible pedant, especially because I like the video and think you laid out the basics very well, but:
    *There are plenty of rags played on guitar, mandolin, fiddle, or brass, etc.-- Dixieland and early jazz was basically ragtime played by bands.
    *While any progression might work, as you noted 2ndary doms. are very common. The I-III-VI-II-V-I cycle and its variations are pretty typical. The ii-V-I progression of many jazz tunes derives from this.
    *There are three specific types of syncopation that I can think of that make ragtime raggy:
    #1) The 16th-8th-16th-8th-8th cell;
    #2) Accenting melodic lines of straight 8ths in groups of 3;
    #3) occassionally straying from the oompah march accompaniment with a 3+3+2 subdivision in the bass, though that may be more in the ragtime guitar tradition.

    • @NovaMenno
      @NovaMenno 5 років тому +6

      also, another thing that is a staple of ragtime is syncopation over barlines and the half of the bar (from beat 2 to 3) if you have syncopation other than that, it's called cake walk, the tutorial part(I-IV-I-V), was cake walk.
      The intro example (which is built off a progression that feels strange and definetely not ragtimey) would be considered ragtime however.
      I do feel that the video looks very cool with the score continuing on parallel to the script. That's something really clever.
      The basics were also there, allthough your way of writing melodies could work, however ofter feel sparadic and too jumpy, while ragtime music still has melodic scentences. The fine line however, is difficult to balance on while writing

  • @TomEyeTheSFMguy
    @TomEyeTheSFMguy 5 років тому +12

    I like this one. It doesn't show everything I want to learn, but I learned a lot of satisfactory thing.

  • @paulstanton2124
    @paulstanton2124 3 роки тому +1

    Great job. You summed up the basics nicely. Great contrast with the march. Like a friend of mine would say "if you can't do it with this help, you just can't do it." Nailed it, absolutely nailed it.

  • @heyitsanotherben
    @heyitsanotherben Рік тому

    I’ve watched a couple videos on this topic to help me and this is by far the best.
    Easy to understand, well presented, and overall just really helpful!

  • @tommyl.dayandtherunaways820

    I’ve been composing a piece in musescore and I wasn’t really sure if it was “raggy” enough or too basic melodically. I’m not a piano player, at least not any more than a very intermediate level, always been more of a guitarist and I’m used to writing songs with that instrument, but I love the sound of piano rags and I’ve always wanted to write them. This video kind of reassured me that I’m at least on the right track 🙂

  • @ЛюдмилаДементьева-ц8о

    The best explanation! Thanks!

  • @KasumiL5x
    @KasumiL5x 6 років тому +6

    Fantastic! One of my favorite genres! :)

    • @OrcastraStudio
      @OrcastraStudio  6 років тому +4

      Mine too! I did a research paper on Scott Joplin in college so it's always been a favorite

  • @pablotg_09
    @pablotg_09 2 місяці тому

    Ahora nos toca a nosotros hacer Ragtimes. Si alguno de vosotros habéis escrito ya alguno, por favor, subirlos a vuestros canales, porque estaría encantado de escucharlos para nutrirme más y conseguir experiencia.

  • @STgA97
    @STgA97 6 років тому +8

    Thank you for making these videos, you always deliver :D

    • @OrcastraStudio
      @OrcastraStudio  6 років тому +1

      You're welcome, and thank you for the kind words!!

  • @Tsskyx
    @Tsskyx 5 років тому +1

    I'd like to see more tutorials about melody and rhythm like this one. Imo this is an important concept that sadly gets quite often overshadowed by tutorials about scales, modes and harmony.

  • @itsRemco
    @itsRemco Рік тому

    Nice video and well explained

  • @soulubilityofficial6635
    @soulubilityofficial6635 4 роки тому +5

    Underrated music.

    • @nou8049
      @nou8049 4 роки тому

      I 100% agree with that statement.

  • @nou8049
    @nou8049 4 роки тому +2

    What is the rag in this? I really like the way it sounds if I am being honest.

  • @Divinii
    @Divinii 5 років тому +3

    First time here!
    First of all, haha “Orcastra”. Very clever lol! 😹
    I really love the layout of this tutorial!
    Can’t wait to try composing tomorrow! 😼

  • @skeebleweeble2144
    @skeebleweeble2144 3 роки тому

    Holy cow this is amazing i was always looking for something like this! Thanks!!!!

  • @45leonardo
    @45leonardo 4 роки тому +2

    How do you Play so Fast the left Hand

  • @NathanSakamoto
    @NathanSakamoto 3 роки тому

    Cool didatics!

  • @jakob9564
    @jakob9564 6 років тому +5

    fantastic video

  • @curtpiazza1688
    @curtpiazza1688 8 місяців тому

    Cool video! 😂

  • @romandumas7998
    @romandumas7998 Рік тому

    I love your channel, but I don't feel it sound like piano ragtime.

  • @prod.lavender
    @prod.lavender 4 роки тому +1

    Ayyyy what's this rag called? I enjoyed the way it sounds genuinely! :)

  • @Nausicaa-rp5tp
    @Nausicaa-rp5tp 11 місяців тому +2

    Does ragtimes have to be always in major key?

    • @TK--ch9jl
      @TK--ch9jl 3 місяці тому

      No, you can put it in minor keys. Write it how you like, and you may just make the new thing. Experiment a little my guy

  • @DanIel-fl1vc
    @DanIel-fl1vc 2 роки тому

    The only difficult thing about this is the fancy lingo that starts at 2:00. "Finally put the chord hits on the and of every measure", what the hell does that mean. I swear they use fancy lingo on purpose to make it seem what they're doing is more difficult than it is. When you only compose in a DAW this lingo seems very pretentious. Better just download a midi and have a look at how the notes line up.

    • @TM-tt8em
      @TM-tt8em 2 роки тому +1

      It's not pretentious. The 'and' basically refers to the beat between the two eighth notes, which is called the sixteenth note. Maybe his use of the word 'hit' instead of 'occurs' in that sentence is confusing. The chord aligns with or happens at the same time as the 'and' (the space between the two notes is what that is- the sixteenth note beat).
      It's hard to talk about music without using terminology because that's just the vocabulary needed to identify things.

  • @CoffeeAcorn
    @CoffeeAcorn 2 місяці тому

    whats the difference between this and ska, is it just the instrumentation?