The bike ride to the arcade was an RPG. We started out on bikes. Hit a few side roads. A couple of corner shops. A random persons house lol. Literally. Then to the mall about 7pm. Nice n cozy. Play a few hours then ride back exhausted from yelling
@@phychmasher its okay it doesn't exist anymore. it lives with the people who care. FGC was never about any of that, its just about finding a group of people creating a community in a lonely world. ive made my best friends through fighting games.
This is what happens when you post a game like marvel on the IGN channel. You get random people who don't even understand the game commenting about "Morrigan spam" and how this game requires "no skill".
Tanner FixIt Are you just being a douche or do you not understand that ShadowCoH is not saying blocking ALL projectiles is the way to go, but if you can't block then the "chip damage" ends up being your whole health bar in 5 seconds. Crying about spam on a game that lets you do it is on par with boxing against an opponent just as strong as you but punches faster, excuses.
Not sure who you're referring to but if you were in anyway talking to me then you're wrong, #1 I am not defending spam, I simply think people who cry and COMPLAIN about an as you said, illegitimate strategy are bad at the game. If they were any decent they wouldn't just sit and complain about it, they'd do something about it like Justin Wong did. If Chris's bullshit or whatever people of the majority call it is bullshit then let the players that dominate his spam show him that. Honestly all I have is #1 though, anyone who complains about it AND loses to it should be learning to get better, not find excuses to why they lose.
Just to give everyone background since everyone is screaming and whining "Spammer" and "Lame." Justin Wong, for over 5+ years, was absolutely hated in MVC2 for what Chris did in MVC3: Dominating the field. Not only that, Justin had the lamest runaway MVC2 Storm, constantly jumping straight up into the air offscreen while gaining meter on whiffed normals. It is almost ironic that Justin Wong, a man who was hated for being completely =undefeated= (100% Win Rate in Tournament Play) for 2+ years in MVC2, is being cheered like a hero so many years later. That is why IFC Yipes said "I'd never thought I'd see the day." Because he knew, like other Old School players, that Justin was never painted as the good guy for a large portion of his playing career. Hopefully, people will realize in the next coming years that Chris G, the man who dominated MVC3 for years, will get the same treatment in the next iteration for Marvel, if it's possible to have it. But one thing to note is that Chris somewhat follows the footsteps of all the great players before him, with impeccable defense, evasion and movement. It just so happened that this time, Justin finally got him at the grandest stage of FGs.
Wong is pretty much the most well known USA fighting game competitor, having won many tournaments over the past decade with awesome matches. The reason people are rooting for him is because he was playing Chris G, who currently uses a dominant team many people don't like.
i suggest people who call morrigan soul fist spam cheap pick her up. Please play her against a team like wolverine doom vergil with a top level player. Then you might have some respect for the godlike defense chris g has
So for the first, maybe minute-and-a-half, I see Morrigan shooting all over the place. I know it's an effective tactic to use Morrigan and Doom's missiles, but man, was that annoying to watch. Once she was gone though, it looked like it was over.
I think it's sad how Chris G gets accused of "spamming" because he plays a defensive setup in a generally rush-down obsessed game. He's a pioneer, why the hate?
technically is not really a problem if he plays that way, but the real problem is that Morrigan should not gain meter while in astral vision. That brokes the game in my opinion and if i remember right, i don't play this game since ages, she is the only character gaining meter while using a power up skill.
I love it how people still think Chris G is spamming. He's the only pro Morrigan that doesn't spam. If you were any good at this game you would notice his defense and movement is only matched by veterans like JWong.
Really now? I bet if someone were to count how many times Soul fist was used, it would be more than or close to a hundred. The main reason Chris was able to keep Justin at bay was due to his endless wave of Soul fist. That alone is proof of spamming and it doesn't help that he spammed with Doctor Doom for a bit. Problem?
***** Please keep in mind that this definition could vary for some people but here is my take on it. Spamming is generally the repeated use of a projectile or a cheap combo in a fighting game. For example, say we were fighting against each other in say Marvel vs Capcom 3 and I was using Zero but I kept using his projectile move over and over. That would be considered spamming. Not only would it be unfair to you but it would noobish is the term I believe, for me There are other characters that could spam as well, not just Zero or Morrigan.. If you wish to further research this matter, try looking up videos of Saki from Tatsunoko vs Capcom.
Shining Trapezohedron Typically "zoning" consists of a set of moves and tactics geared for that purpose, rather than the repeated use of one move ad nauseam.
man Chris G's team would be really tough to deal with, holy crap. It felt like a true underdog story to me, cause it seemed like Justin's team was grossly disadvantaged but he fought through adversity and won, that was amazing ^_^
rioshu agreed. That team combo is insane and is basically the Top Tier in UMVC 3 at this point. But Justin's Team paired with that skill is ungodly. And he proved it the following year in one of the most dominating Grand Finals in evo history. Chris had no chance at all.
say what you will about Chris G's Morrigan... but MAN does he have the best hit confirms with her in the world! From superjump level he can still pull off massive combos from loose hits... damn
Everyone complaining about morrigans "spam" they don't seem to understand what they're doing. It's not morrigan that's the problem is it's morrigan/missles. ChrisG knows it and Justin knows it. At 8:30 ChrisG didn't protect doom correctly and lost doom because of it. During the storm comeback only a total of 4 soulfists touched storm due to the lack of missles. Justin is constantly playing around the missles, throwing, stopping combos and optimising combos to avoid them. Look at 14:50 ChrisG rushed down when missles DIDN'T lock down storm and ended up getting thrown
It's not spam. Spamming is just using the same move over and over again brainlessly. Chris G has mastered a strategy that he forged himself. You try and play Morrigan and tell me where it gets you.
Lmao that Chris G was on that easy mode with those endless fireballs. there was never a second when there wasnt at least 5 on the screen. but according to some of these comments..."thats not cheesing, its skill". i will, however, give him the props for being the best cheeser ive ever seen...
You have to respect ChrisG for finding and mastering a team with amazing synergy, but I personally can't stand Anti-Hype teams in Marvel. I'd much rather watch Swagneto and Doom stylin' on bitches or Spencer punching those women than ChrisG zoning and controlling matches. That being said, I still enjoy watching ChrisG's mechanics.
So beautiful and ironic how it just came down to the classic street fighter keepaway strat at the end, Justin was like ight now im the one playing lame bro
Chris G spam so what. He found a character he like and he able to use her effectively. He constantly top 3. If is so easy why don't other people do it? Right, because it takes skill and understand of the game then spamming. For you trolls out there, he making money while you at home watching and hating on his game. The question is if the spam is so easy why you are not there facing J.wong instead of Chris G?
Zoning: Intentionally keeping distance/pressure on your opponent, either reading their style or forcing them into playing a certain way. Adaptive to close combat situations and able to make good on big damage opportunities. Which Chris G was doing he was forcing wolverine(a close range character) to not rush down and pressuring him. Spamming: When someone will mindlessly throw projectiles and not adapt to the opponents play style, cant perform combos.
yes. the only thing they share is that in most cases it involves players using the same move multiple times, but to call that spamming is useless because it doesn't mean anything. it doesn't mean you're trash if you use a move multiple times, because this is a game with characters who have a bunch of really good moves and some very situational and bad moves, and using your character's strengths is a sign of a competent fighter player.
It's not an issue of console loyalty, it's just an issue of performance. The PS3 version lags, especially on non-training stage levels. The Fighting Game Community hosts many "Road to EVO" tournaments, and the majority of them (if not all of them), decided to continue using the 360 to avoid this lag issue. Top players have complained of the PS3 lag affecting them during play (Chris G saying he had trouble un-flying with Morrigan; Chris saying it's harder to kara-grab with Ken in SSFIV, etc).
ok i'm going to give you two hypothetical situations: one of them is a random ryu who goes to a tournament, sits in the corner and just keeps using hadouken. he beats some players maybe, but along comes a good player who punishes the lag on hadouken by jumping and using aerials, or focus canceling the projectiles, etc. in the other scenario, you have daigo who spaces out all his hadoukens perfectly, uses it only when it cant be punish and to punish his opponents, and uses it to bait responses
Dr. Fun UMvC3 is more lively than USF4. Its alot more fast paced and combo based while having a very advanced system which difficult to master. USF4 is significantly slower and less combo and execution based but has a bigger focus on the fundamentals.
you can't even define the word we're talking about here. by what you just said, chrisg isn't a spammer because he used a lot of moves - he didnt just soul fist until he won, he soul fisted, he dr doom assisted, he comboed, he x-factored, he blockstringed, he thc'd and used a lot of other specials, etc
Chris g isn't spamming he's turtling to the extreme, there's a subtle difference he's throwing those soul fists out with the objective of creating a huge defensive wall. but kudos to Justin, great comeback
There's a huge difference between spamming and zoning, though. What Chris G did wasn't cheating, it's a strategy that takes as much skill as any other.
When I look at the matches from Chris G's point of view, he was really working hard to make sure that he would build enough bars to get Morrigan's Astral. Good games, Chris G.
lol, people don't stop bitching about ChrisG's strategy. You know there isn't a patent right? play mor/doom as well if you feel like its such a cheap combo.
You can tell someone has no idea what they're talking about when they use the word "cheap". Cheap doesn't exist in high level play. It's a word we used to use as kids.
Seems that way, but it's not really. It just does really well against most top-tier teams since most of them are rush-down heavy in Marvel. Chris G is super efficient with keep away, so most characters are half-dead by the time he gets hit and Vergil cleans up what's left. Justin won in large part due to Storm's hail super that lets him do full screen shave damage right back, clear the soul fists, clear doom missiles, and punish doom assist calls. Storm, who is a lower mid-tier character, wouldn't usually be used enough to beat this team, but that is how Morrigan was treated 2 years ago. When people start exploring the current mid-tier characters more, Morrigan will probably become less of a threat.
Thats correct, just an opinion. I mean without Doom he was doing pretty good, but when Morrigan was eliminated first, it was total destruction. But it was a really great fight.
Dmanbradley I agree that the strategy isn't cheap since it does require high level inputs but you can really do it with almost any good ranged character and Doom. The opposing player has to sneak in the tiny openings and go all out or be forced to slowly move forward while taking massive chip damage. Morrigan has the best screen coverage overall though. But I will say Morrigans power up state in general is incredibly cheap. The damage output and zoning she can achieve while it's going on paired with the fact that she gains meter is kind of dumb. Most characters either don't gain any meter or don't gain enough to keep their power up state going repeatedly. To top it all off Chris G. is usually smug when he wins but always has some excuse when he loses.
Kadorja It's true, but then if Morrigan could not gain meter in Astral Vision she would not be nearly as good. Chris G spends nearly every bar he builds to stay in AV for almost the entire match. I think the way to "fix" it would be to nerf the chip damage, but only slightly. And even still...only Chris G is really winning with the character. This will probably change over the years because the execution barrier will be overcome by more players, but for now, she is only top tier because of Chris G's efforts. Hidden Missiles, now that shit is cheap yo.
Ive always enjoyed coming up with ways to beat people with play styles like Chris G. If thats the way you like to play the game thats fine, but I dont play that way and it is VERY satisfying when you beat someone whos ugly strategies are formulated in their basement
love this game but zoning is knowing how to keep an opponent back with a set of skills and combos or anti airs not repeated use of a sigle move mixed with and assist and super. if I sit in any fighting game lets say ss4 as akuma i just forward fireball,l air fire ball and that's all I do your gonna try and tell me that's zoning not spamming . grow up Ive played fighting games sense the arcade before nes its spamming stop trying to make up new terms to defend your spamming ass ways. some games have mechanics to diminish repeated attks damage that soul fist would have stop doing damage half way in
mr bluray no one cares what any one player saying about a character its still spamming get a dictionary if your that ignorant doesn't matter what any 1 player says a character is built to play there are more moves on her than soulfist.
lol try because your lame ass excuse was just using the same move over and over isn't spamming because a tournament player said it isn't well guess what its still the definition of spamming you made yourself look like a dumb ass lol
oh and I didn't delete you it say your comment was reported for foul language you don't want people flagging you don't type like your an angry 5 year old man
Zoning is keeping the opponent at the optimal distance. It requires spacing and in some cases meter management. Also if it is spamming,it is easy just to go around it since they are doing the same thing over and over again.
Francamente el modo en el que jugo Chris G fue un asco practicamente solo se alejaba y no llegaba osea trabalon y la verdad asi no juegan los grandes, se la pasaba volando con Morrigan y no realizo mas que un solo combo decente en todo el encuentro claramente se vio que ha bajado de nivel y eso es triste porque en el 2011 jugaba mejor es una lastima
es lo mismo como aquel que juega con un personaje con shoryuken por ejemplo y se queda agachado pegando puño fuerte, la gente no le importa demostrar si sabe o no jugar solo quieren ganar al costo que sea triste pero es lo que ahí y este no es menos -__-
Existen mas jugadores que no juegan asi, Combofiend, Justin Wong, Daigo, Floker y mas pero Chris G es de los pocos que veo que su jugabilidad va de mal en peor y los trabalones no deberian ir a esos torneos
erick esquivel neta si... da hueva que no salgan de solo aventar el poder a lo lejitos... a estos niveles ya deberían hacer los torneos en modo random, ahí si se vería que tan cabrones son.
Exacto lamentablemente ya bajaron de nivel y ojala y fuera como en los torneos de Korea y Japon en The King of Fighter 2002 UM que restringen a ciertos personajes y solo juegan con los que no tienen tanto robo haciendo a un lado a los que si ejemplo Angel
erick esquivel lo que dices es algo estuoido perdon por ofender pero la lista de baneo es por que son "jefes" no banean a los mejores del juego banean a los jefes, acaso viste baneado a iori kio o athena, no y nunca pasara. si tu puedes hacer lo que chris g en el mismo nivel te dare la razon, pero aclaro no solo avienta bolas a lo imbecil ni llama assist alo imbecil claramente busca como entrar y salir de situaciones y llenar barra basado en donde estas o que podrias hacer, si es algo barato el tipo de juego pero toma practica no es como jugar rugal en king of fighter hacer un combo y un poder y ganar.
My point in that whole argument was that there's a difference between spamming and actually employing a strategy, that is all. So for whatever reason you felt you had to put your 2 cents in, you should ask yourself if it was really necessary.
Think of it this way. If you play Ryu in SF and constantly throw fireballs regardless of your position on screen and what your opponent is doing, you're gonna get focused or jumped in on and punished hard. If you're Daigo and you throw fireballs at the perfect position on screen, know when to wait so you can uppercut, and stop when you need to, then it's zoning. Not being elitist, but it's hard to explain the concept to people that aren't into fighting games.
I wouldn't just say just casual competition theres much more to it then that like the less random things happen in a game I would think the more of a chance they have at being competitive and being in MLG naruto storm 3 so random with the amount of crap that happens in that game, will never be mlg lol
PreeminentBeast They promote the biggest game. Halo-Sc2-LoL-CoD(insert newest title). If they wanted the most skillful competition they wouldve played CoD4 on pc but they want money and viewers so they pick newest public cod on xbox. They picked LoL over DoTa2 for the same reasons.
"Now you have witnessed what a true demon can do." I know Akuma is probably saying that to Vergil, as MVC3 had unique quotes depending on the losing character. But I always picture that Akuma is saying that to ChrisG.
+An Solo I don't think it's boring at high level play. I'm always anxiously anticipating the other guy breaking through it, just as JWong did. People who win it all by spamming alone would be news to me.
It's not spam. Spamming is just using the same move over and over again brainlessly. Chris G has mastered a strategy that he forged himself. You try and play Morrigan and tell me where it gets you.
PS3 version tends to lag and drop frames in busier stages, since the training stage has basically nothing in the background it is the de facto choice for tournaments that use PS3.
And to think before EVO this kind of stuff was just an unrecorded urban legend in a local arcade.
The bike ride to the arcade was an RPG. We started out on bikes. Hit a few side roads. A couple of corner shops. A random persons house lol. Literally. Then to the mall about 7pm. Nice n cozy. Play a few hours then ride back exhausted from yelling
and now those don't even exist anymore. oh, man.
@@phychmasher Time keeps on slipping slipping slipping, into the future.
Thankfully, I've been present to experience epic comebacks like these,sadly,all unrecorded. Thankfully made my life that much more memorable
@@phychmasher its okay it doesn't exist anymore. it lives with the people who care. FGC was never about any of that, its just about finding a group of people creating a community in a lonely world. ive made my best friends through fighting games.
The fitting message by Akuma as Justin won that last match
"My skills are unparalleled"
Capcom really blew a sponsorship opportunity there. He should've said "My skittles, taste the rainbow." (Cue Akuma holding bag of skittles)
Haha
*"My skills are unparalleled!"*
~ Akuma, speaking on Justin Wong's behalf
Evo moment 37
Yeah! 👍💪
His Akuma makes me go 😳😳😳
when ign covers your comeback, you know you've made it big
ign did not cover daigo. don't remember that anyway yet daigo is a GOD.
@@Video-Games-Are-Fun Daigo is TOO big
Lol
"Is this a classic?" Yep. Definitely one of the best EVO moments.
Decade later, still a classic.
This is what happens when you post a game like marvel on the IGN channel. You get random people who don't even understand the game commenting about "Morrigan spam" and how this game requires "no skill".
People who complain about "Spam" are people who don't know how to block.
ShadowCoH316 People who think blocking is effective against projectile spam are people who don't understand how chip damage works.
Tanner FixIt Are you just being a douche or do you not understand that ShadowCoH is not saying blocking ALL projectiles is the way to go, but if you can't block then the "chip damage" ends up being your whole health bar in 5 seconds. Crying about spam on a game that lets you do it is on par with boxing against an opponent just as strong as you but punches faster, excuses.
Not sure who you're referring to but if you were in anyway talking to me then you're wrong, #1 I am not defending spam, I simply think people who cry and COMPLAIN about an as you said, illegitimate strategy are bad at the game. If they were any decent they wouldn't just sit and complain about it, they'd do something about it like Justin Wong did. If Chris's bullshit or whatever people of the majority call it is bullshit then let the players that dominate his spam show him that. Honestly all I have is #1 though, anyone who complains about it AND loses to it should be learning to get better, not find excuses to why they lose.
I don't even own the game :D
Love it almost 10 years later
Moments like this you’ll never see again. Thanks esports.
Just to give everyone background since everyone is screaming and whining "Spammer" and "Lame."
Justin Wong, for over 5+ years, was absolutely hated in MVC2 for what Chris did in MVC3: Dominating the field. Not only that, Justin had the lamest runaway MVC2 Storm, constantly jumping straight up into the air offscreen while gaining meter on whiffed normals. It is almost ironic that Justin Wong, a man who was hated for being completely =undefeated= (100% Win Rate in Tournament Play) for 2+ years in MVC2, is being cheered like a hero so many years later. That is why IFC Yipes said "I'd never thought I'd see the day." Because he knew, like other Old School players, that Justin was never painted as the good guy for a large portion of his playing career.
Hopefully, people will realize in the next coming years that Chris G, the man who dominated MVC3 for years, will get the same treatment in the next iteration for Marvel, if it's possible to have it. But one thing to note is that Chris somewhat follows the footsteps of all the great players before him, with impeccable defense, evasion and movement. It just so happened that this time, Justin finally got him at the grandest stage of FGs.
Nah, no respect for dumb morrigan spammers. This is suppose to be a fighting game .
Jerry what? Best believe the pros respect his play. Adapt and overcome. No whining in the fgc
Jerry what? Hate the game buddy Chris g is smart for using the best strategy for winning.
@@jerrywhat4799 Cry more, scrub
@@mister_redgrave ouch what a comeback
Wong is pretty much the most well known USA fighting game competitor, having won many tournaments over the past decade with awesome matches. The reason people are rooting for him is because he was playing Chris G, who currently uses a dominant team many people don't like.
“now you have witnessed what a demon can do” bro😭😭
The fuckin bars the characters be droppin
@@JusRed48 the writing in this game is so good
One of the most iconic and hype moments in FGC history.
The Wong Factor
8:12
"Yeah, but what does Storm _do_ [against Morrigan]"
_[Proceeds to Snipe Doom and wipes out the rest of Chris G's team with Storm, on low health]_
i suggest people who call morrigan soul fist spam cheap pick her up. Please play her against a team like wolverine doom vergil with a top level player. Then you might have some respect for the godlike defense chris g has
Nah shits cheesy and doesnt deserve respect
Jerry what? You try do it. It took Wong like 3 games to figure him out
@@jerrywhat4799 fr just try to learn the game
So for the first, maybe minute-and-a-half, I see Morrigan shooting all over the place. I know it's an effective tactic to use Morrigan and Doom's missiles, but man, was that annoying to watch.
Once she was gone though, it looked like it was over.
I think it's sad how Chris G gets accused of "spamming" because he plays a defensive setup in a generally rush-down obsessed game. He's a pioneer, why the hate?
technically is not really a problem if he plays that way, but the real problem is that Morrigan should not gain meter while in astral vision. That brokes the game in my opinion and if i remember right, i don't play this game since ages, she is the only character gaining meter while using a power up skill.
Hes not a pioneer dominion used morrigans zoning way before chris g did he just added doom missiles and perfected the style
S A L T
Because this is suppose to be a fighting game, not some weird platforming dodge the missle simulator
I love it how people still think Chris G is spamming. He's the only pro Morrigan that doesn't spam. If you were any good at this game you would notice his defense and movement is only matched by veterans like JWong.
SOU-SOU-SOU-SOUL FIST
SOUSOUSOUSOUL FIST
Really now? I bet if someone were to count how many times Soul fist was used, it would be more than or close to a hundred. The main reason Chris was able to keep Justin at bay was due to his endless wave of Soul fist. That alone is proof of spamming and it doesn't help that he spammed with Doctor Doom for a bit. Problem?
***** Please keep in mind that this definition could vary for some people but here is my take on it. Spamming is generally the repeated use of a projectile or a cheap combo in a fighting game. For example, say we were fighting against each other in say Marvel vs Capcom 3 and I was using Zero but I kept using his projectile move over and over. That would be considered spamming. Not only would it be unfair to you but it would noobish is the term I believe, for me There are other characters that could spam as well, not just Zero or Morrigan.. If you wish to further research this matter, try looking up videos of Saki from Tatsunoko vs Capcom.
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Spamming and Zoning are two different things unless you don't know what are the differences in those two....
Shining Trapezohedron Typically "zoning" consists of a set of moves and tactics geared for that purpose, rather than the repeated use of one move ad nauseam.
Should have shown the crowd and the two of them, this was literally one of the best matches of EVO, the ending was so close.
man Chris G's team would be really tough to deal with, holy crap. It felt like a true underdog story to me, cause it seemed like Justin's team was grossly disadvantaged but he fought through adversity and won, that was amazing ^_^
I kinda wish IGN would show the actual competitors like the main EVO stream does, but that's just personal preference
Interesting that in one of Justin's greatest moments the words "my skills are unparalleled" would be on the screen.
Well I'm no expert, but once Morrigan's down, Justin has a feast with him.
Has a feast with him
I really like that...
Pretty much. Chrisg really only has morrigan. His doom is cheap and his virgil is not the greatest..
Once Chris G loses Morrigan his game just falls apart.
Chaud314231 Nah; his Vergil can solo teams.
rioshu agreed. That team combo is insane and is basically the Top Tier in UMVC 3 at this point. But Justin's Team paired with that skill is ungodly. And he proved it the following year in one of the most dominating Grand Finals in evo history. Chris had no chance at all.
can solo teamS solo teamS
can solo teamS. solo teamS
can solo teamS. solo teamS
Yipes yells at Justin, giving him superpowers. He is a genie.
One of the best UMvC 3 match-ups I've ever seen.
say what you will about Chris G's Morrigan... but MAN does he have the best hit confirms with her in the world! From superjump level he can still pull off massive combos from loose hits... damn
Everyone complaining about morrigans "spam" they don't seem to understand what they're doing. It's not morrigan that's the problem is it's morrigan/missles. ChrisG knows it and Justin knows it. At 8:30 ChrisG didn't protect doom correctly and lost doom because of it. During the storm comeback only a total of 4 soulfists touched storm due to the lack of missles. Justin is constantly playing around the missles, throwing, stopping combos and optimising combos to avoid them. Look at 14:50 ChrisG rushed down when missles DIDN'T lock down storm and ended up getting thrown
Them voice cracks
Uff
That butt crack
amazing, Justin Wong still great at Marvel. at least he can say he was the champ in MVC2 and MVC 3 numerous times.
It's not spam. Spamming is just using the same move over and over again brainlessly. Chris G has mastered a strategy that he forged himself. You try and play Morrigan and tell me where it gets you.
***** It's actually closer to soulfistsoulfist hidden missiles oulfistsoulfist hidden missiles oulfistsoulfist hidden missiles oulfistsoulfist soul fist soulfist hidden missiles hidden missles oulfist soulfistsoulfist hidden missiles oulfistsoulfist hid soul den mis fist siles oulfistsoulfist hidden missiles oulfistsoulfist hidden missiles oulfistsoulfist hidden missiles oulfistsoulfist hidden missiles oulfistsoulfist hidden soulfist missiles oulfistsoulfist hidden missiles oulfistsoulfist hidden missiles oulfistsoulfist hidden missiles oulfistsoulfist hiddensift missiles oulfistsoulfist hiddensou soulfist fistsoul missiles fist oulfistsoulfist hidden missiles oulfistsoulfist hidden missiles. Which is ok in my book.
Its okay. Justin won in the end anyway. The fair always win against the spammers when they find a good staratergy
***** Relax dude Im on your side I think chris g is a spammer who deserved to lose
Why just because he beat a spammer
Yh, a spammer that's what I said...
Oldie but a goodie.
Idk why everyone hates him like if something works just roll with it, it's not his fault nobody know how to play against it right
Lmao that Chris G was on that easy mode with those endless fireballs. there was never a second when there wasnt at least 5 on the screen. but according to some of these comments..."thats not cheesing, its skill". i will, however, give him the props for being the best cheeser ive ever seen...
***** thats why i dont really play fighters like this. i like mortal kombat wayy better
***** It's like people forgot Justin used to use cheap as hell chars too.
***** cant be too hard lmao its a game
***** lol "skill"...."game" how about no
***** yea why dont ya do something productive
You have to respect ChrisG for finding and mastering a team with amazing synergy, but I personally can't stand Anti-Hype teams in Marvel. I'd much rather watch Swagneto and Doom stylin' on bitches or Spencer punching those women than ChrisG zoning and controlling matches. That being said, I still enjoy watching ChrisG's mechanics.
So beautiful and ironic how it just came down to the classic street fighter keepaway strat at the end, Justin was like ight now im the one playing lame bro
12:21
The day Helmet Breaker died.
Cool. I forgot about that. Might check it out when I get the chance. Thanks man.
The thing is Chris G found a play style that is extremely efficient but cheap and annoying at the same time
You can hate on morrigan play all you want,but chris g is the only real person who plays her right.
yipes swims in the pool with his shirt on
he had flashbacks the moment he heard the let's go justin from the commentators haha
Chris G spam so what. He found a character he like and he able to use her effectively. He constantly top 3. If is so easy why don't other people do it? Right, because it takes skill and understand of the game then spamming. For you trolls out there, he making money while you at home watching and hating on his game. The question is if the spam is so easy why you are not there facing J.wong instead of Chris G?
Zoning: Intentionally keeping distance/pressure on your opponent, either reading their style or forcing them into playing a certain way. Adaptive to close combat situations and able to make good on big damage opportunities.
Which Chris G was doing he was forcing wolverine(a close range character) to not rush down and pressuring him.
Spamming: When someone will mindlessly throw projectiles and not adapt to the opponents play style, cant perform combos.
Wow that was the best comeback I've ever seen in a fighting game period lol....Justin Wong is skillz 10:21
yes. the only thing they share is that in most cases it involves players using the same move multiple times, but to call that spamming is useless because it doesn't mean anything. it doesn't mean you're trash if you use a move multiple times, because this is a game with characters who have a bunch of really good moves and some very situational and bad moves, and using your character's strengths is a sign of a competent fighter player.
This was absolutely insane watching it live.
It's not an issue of console loyalty, it's just an issue of performance. The PS3 version lags, especially on non-training stage levels. The Fighting Game Community hosts many "Road to EVO" tournaments, and the majority of them (if not all of them), decided to continue using the 360 to avoid this lag issue. Top players have complained of the PS3 lag affecting them during play (Chris G saying he had trouble un-flying with Morrigan; Chris saying it's harder to kara-grab with Ken in SSFIV, etc).
I miss the FGC so much
We'll be back soon brother.
ok i'm going to give you two hypothetical situations: one of them is a random ryu who goes to a tournament, sits in the corner and just keeps using hadouken. he beats some players maybe, but along comes a good player who punishes the lag on hadouken by jumping and using aerials, or focus canceling the projectiles, etc. in the other scenario, you have daigo who spaces out all his hadoukens perfectly, uses it only when it cant be punish and to punish his opponents, and uses it to bait responses
THE DREAM IS NOT DEAD
how do you watch/play this game. so much going on, on the screen
+Wilman Garcia you gotta play to understand.
+L8 Valentine or just watch a bunch of videos :)
Probably the hypest match ever! That Wong factor lives!!!!
People who don't play will simply never understand...that's one of the greatest moments in professional fighting game history
What the heck is going on? I'm used to SF, this is such a clusterfuck
haha same here, it came up in my suggestions watched it and it was like watching 6 neon lights have sex
Jordan Newton Not even close, 1/10.
Jordan Newton
No, that's my score. Translated into ign's rating system, you get the lowest possible score of 9/10.
Dr. Fun UMvC3 is more lively than USF4. Its alot more fast paced and combo based while having a very advanced system which difficult to master. USF4 is significantly slower and less combo and execution based but has a bigger focus on the fundamentals.
Jordan Newton I'm reviewing you, not the game.
Now revised to a 0/10.
you can't even define the word we're talking about here. by what you just said, chrisg isn't a spammer because he used a lot of moves - he didnt just soul fist until he won, he soul fisted, he dr doom assisted, he comboed, he x-factored, he blockstringed, he thc'd and used a lot of other specials, etc
There is so much shit going on on the screen I cant focus! 0_0
Haha, the voice cracking at the end is awesome!
Chris g isn't spamming he's turtling to the extreme, there's a subtle difference he's throwing those soul fists out with the objective of creating a huge defensive wall. but kudos to Justin, great comeback
I don´t understand a single thing about what´s happening in this video, but I love it! :D
Wong says Hi again in 2014
Justin wong you just got a new fan... best player I've ever seen
Really liked the matches, but I wish the commentators were less biased in Wong's favour.
everybody hates chris g
John Ramirez people hate him because he does the same boring cheap team for years now
John Ramirez there is a reason I got 6+s. People agree
Our Lord Emperor Trump Yeah and I wanted to know why
they're biased because it's JWong
There's a huge difference between spamming and zoning, though. What Chris G did wasn't cheating, it's a strategy that takes as much skill as any other.
When I look at the matches from Chris G's point of view, he was really working hard to make sure that he would build enough bars to get Morrigan's Astral.
Good games, Chris G.
Problem with the IGN video is they don't show the crowd or Justin/Chris's reactions between rounds. :(
Jesus Christ I love Justin Wong
IGN CAN THEIR BE A PLAYLIST OF THESE DUALS BETWEEN PLAYERS IN SEPERATE LIST. HARD TO GO BACK AND FIND THESE DUALS FROM PLAYLISTS.
Storm be like: Whos a bad character now?
The last air grab set up was sick though. LOL
NEVA GIVE UP
Dat obstacle course. Nice work Justin.
lol, people don't stop bitching about ChrisG's strategy. You know there isn't a patent right? play mor/doom as well if you feel like its such a cheap combo.
13:55 Loving Yipe's reference to Chappelle Show Dylan skit XD
This game looks really difficult ._.
nah its just stupid broken
It's very fast paced but it's actually one of the easier and more forgiving fighters in terms of execution and combos. Lots of fun!
Just as Lythero says, it is hard to play, but once you know how, it is easy to master
easier in terms of exacution? its one of the most demanding for that lol
You can tell someone has no idea what they're talking about when they use the word "cheap". Cheap doesn't exist in high level play. It's a word we used to use as kids.
Is it just me, or Morrigan strategy seems to be pretty cheap?
Seems that way, but it's not really. It just does really well against most top-tier teams since most of them are rush-down heavy in Marvel. Chris G is super efficient with keep away, so most characters are half-dead by the time he gets hit and Vergil cleans up what's left. Justin won in large part due to Storm's hail super that lets him do full screen shave damage right back, clear the soul fists, clear doom missiles, and punish doom assist calls.
Storm, who is a lower mid-tier character, wouldn't usually be used enough to beat this team, but that is how Morrigan was treated 2 years ago. When people start exploring the current mid-tier characters more, Morrigan will probably become less of a threat.
Thats correct, just an opinion. I mean without Doom he was doing pretty good, but when Morrigan was eliminated first, it was total destruction. But it was a really great fight.
Dmanbradley
I agree that the strategy isn't cheap since it does require high level inputs but you can really do it with almost any good ranged character and Doom. The opposing player has to sneak in the tiny openings and go all out or be forced to slowly move forward while taking massive chip damage. Morrigan has the best screen coverage overall though.
But I will say Morrigans power up state in general is incredibly cheap. The damage output and zoning she can achieve while it's going on paired with the fact that she gains meter is kind of dumb. Most characters either don't gain any meter or don't gain enough to keep their power up state going repeatedly.
To top it all off Chris G. is usually smug when he wins but always has some excuse when he loses.
Kadorja It's true, but then if Morrigan could not gain meter in Astral Vision she would not be nearly as good. Chris G spends nearly every bar he builds to stay in AV for almost the entire match. I think the way to "fix" it would be to nerf the chip damage, but only slightly. And even still...only Chris G is really winning with the character. This will probably change over the years because the execution barrier will be overcome by more players, but for now, she is only top tier because of Chris G's efforts.
Hidden Missiles, now that shit is cheap yo.
well if soulfistM flightcancel soulfistH flightcancel's cheap.... try pulling that off
incredible moves, combos, and avancing grauds
as a tekken player i dont know whats happening
Capt.Skull Ster same
Capt.Skull Ster because Tekken is not as fast and it is 1v1 in most games
you can't compare Tekken to MvC
Experimento 626 hence
Wish I could see what was happening (facecam and all).
Crowd sounded wild man.
Ive always enjoyed coming up with ways to beat people with play styles like Chris G. If thats the way you like to play the game thats fine, but I dont play that way and it is VERY satisfying when you beat someone whos ugly strategies are formulated in their basement
I'd like to see you try to beat Chris G's "ugly basement strategy"
I don't even play this game and that was awesome!
JESUS
How do you UMVC3 see what's happening in game time? I can't seem to keep track with all the characters and relentless attacks ;p
These comments make my head hurt...
Akuma's quote at the end there was very fitting imo.
love this game but zoning is knowing how to keep an opponent back with a set of skills and combos or anti airs not repeated use of a sigle move mixed with and assist and super. if I sit in any fighting game lets say ss4 as akuma i just forward fireball,l air fire ball and that's all I do your gonna try and tell me that's zoning not spamming . grow up Ive played fighting games sense the arcade before nes its spamming stop trying to make up new terms to defend your spamming ass ways. some games have mechanics to diminish repeated attks damage that soul fist would have stop doing damage half way in
mr bluray no one cares what any one player saying about a character its still spamming get a dictionary if your that ignorant doesn't matter what any 1 player says a character is built to play there are more moves on her than soulfist.
lol try because your lame ass excuse was just using the same move over and over isn't spamming because a tournament player said it isn't well guess what its still the definition of spamming you made yourself look like a dumb ass lol
oh and I didn't delete you it say your comment was reported for foul language you don't want people flagging you don't type like your an angry 5 year old man
Zoning is keeping the opponent at the optimal distance. It requires spacing and in some cases meter management. Also if it is spamming,it is easy just to go around it since they are doing the same thing over and over again.
Man I have nothing against Flocker but god did I want Justin to take it this year so much, more than in a lot of years.
Francamente el modo en el que jugo Chris G fue un asco practicamente solo se alejaba y no llegaba osea trabalon y la verdad asi no juegan los grandes, se la pasaba volando con Morrigan y no realizo mas que un solo combo decente en todo el encuentro claramente se vio que ha bajado de nivel y eso es triste porque en el 2011 jugaba mejor es una lastima
es lo mismo como aquel que juega con un personaje con shoryuken por ejemplo y se queda agachado pegando puño fuerte, la gente no le importa demostrar si sabe o no jugar solo quieren ganar al costo que sea triste pero es lo que ahí y este no es menos -__-
Existen mas jugadores que no juegan asi, Combofiend, Justin Wong, Daigo, Floker y mas pero Chris G es de los pocos que veo que su jugabilidad va de mal en peor y los trabalones no deberian ir a esos torneos
erick esquivel neta si... da hueva que no salgan de solo aventar el poder a lo lejitos... a estos niveles ya deberían hacer los torneos en modo random, ahí si se vería que tan cabrones son.
Exacto lamentablemente ya bajaron de nivel y ojala y fuera como en los torneos de Korea y Japon en The King of Fighter 2002 UM que restringen a ciertos personajes y solo juegan con los que no tienen tanto robo haciendo a un lado a los que si ejemplo Angel
erick esquivel lo que dices es algo estuoido perdon por ofender pero la lista de baneo es por que son "jefes" no banean a los mejores del juego banean a los jefes, acaso viste baneado a iori kio o athena, no y nunca pasara.
si tu puedes hacer lo que chris g en el mismo nivel te dare la razon, pero aclaro no solo avienta bolas a lo imbecil ni llama assist alo imbecil claramente busca como entrar y salir de situaciones y llenar barra basado en donde estas o que podrias hacer, si es algo barato el tipo de juego pero toma practica no es como jugar rugal en king of fighter hacer un combo y un poder y ganar.
My point in that whole argument was that there's a difference between spamming and actually employing a strategy, that is all. So for whatever reason you felt you had to put your 2 cents in, you should ask yourself if it was really necessary.
I have no idea what happening
+Army G kick?
Think of it this way. If you play Ryu in SF and constantly throw fireballs regardless of your position on screen and what your opponent is doing, you're gonna get focused or jumped in on and punished hard. If you're Daigo and you throw fireballs at the perfect position on screen, know when to wait so you can uppercut, and stop when you need to, then it's zoning. Not being elitist, but it's hard to explain the concept to people that aren't into fighting games.
This could definitely be in MLG, I wonder how cod ghosts is in MLG..
MLG has never been about skills. Its all about casual competition.
I wouldn't just say just casual competition theres much more to it then that like the less random things happen in a game I would think the more of a chance they have at being competitive and being in MLG naruto storm 3 so random with the amount of crap that happens in that game, will never be mlg lol
PreeminentBeast They promote the biggest game. Halo-Sc2-LoL-CoD(insert newest title). If they wanted the most skillful competition they wouldve played CoD4 on pc but they want money and viewers so they pick newest public cod on xbox. They picked LoL over DoTa2 for the same reasons.
"Now you have witnessed what a true demon can do."
I know Akuma is probably saying that to Vergil, as MVC3 had unique quotes depending on the losing character.
But I always picture that Akuma is saying that to ChrisG.
Great comeback! Good for him. I cant stand spammers. I know that its strategy, but damn its boring to watch and block all game long
When money is on the line,a strategy being boring doesn't matter.
I used to be allright playing this when it came out. Now when i get on it, holy shit! I need practice... lol wish i could play like these guys tho
Ikr. Very hard online. I need to work on my objections
I need to work on my dr doom. My sentinel and akuma is beast
+An Solo I don't think it's boring at high level play. I'm always anxiously anticipating the other guy breaking through it, just as JWong did. People who win it all by spamming alone would be news to me.
Who is going to stream this year? Tell me please anybody .
I came here just to see Chris G get annihilated.
Was the crowd saying soul fist at the end?
Chris G got karma, he spam so much, in the end he got spammed
It's not spam. Spamming is just using the same move over and over again brainlessly. Chris G has mastered a strategy that he forged himself. You try and play Morrigan and tell me where it gets you.
PS3 version tends to lag and drop frames in busier stages, since the training stage has basically nothing in the background it is the de facto choice for tournaments that use PS3.