I made a major study on this issue. There are two major factors that influnce the number of footballers playing abroad: when a nation has much more quality players than the domestic league can absorve (surplus of players), and domestic economic situation (when emigrating is finantially convenient for players). At the begining of 20 century, in most countries, it was foreigners, mostly from Britain, that brought the first balls, started first clubs, introduced the rules and were the first players and coaches. If we exclude them and take into account emigrants only from the time leagues were already established, we have the case of major clubs bringing first foreign coaches and players from two regions where football was most developed: Brittish isles and what was known as Mittleuropa. Most leagues in Europe were established around 1920s, some a decade earlier, some a decade later. In this interwar period football gains huge popularity and first "signings" appear. From Scandinavia, to Portugal or Turkey, the best clubs started bringing coaches which were often also players, from either England, Scotland or Ireland, or either from Austria, Hungary, Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia. The main leagues became the English, Italian, German, Austrian, Hungarian and French, while others would progressivelly become more peripherical as greater the distance from this central/western Europe was. In my personal opinion, foreigners became common first in leagues of countries where inter-ethnic relations were already a reality. For instance, Czechoslovak league included a club DFC Prag which was formed by ethnic Germans. Also, sharing German language made coaches and players from Germany, Austria and Switzerland play in any of those countries. Another aspect is that Austria, Hungary and Czechoslovakia had leagues established earlier when all were part of Austro-Hungarian empire and all 3, including also parts of Yugoslavia, Romania, Italy and Poland, could join clubs from any of these regions as in all they were domestic. WWI separated all these countries, however, they shared one same football style and school, and a revolution came when the Mittleuropa Cup was formed. The best clubs of Austria, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, and Italy would compete in what is by many considered the predecessor of the European Champions Cup. These clubs started taking football much more seriously and first professional contracts started being offered. These clubs started offering enough high salaries so coaches and players could dedicate exclusivelly to football. This also meant this clubs would start searching for players from elsewhere which would deserve the salaries they could offer. Some interesting cases were Beerchot and Belgian national team striker Raymond Braine being brought by Sparta Prague, Unirea Timisoara and Romanian national team captain Rudolf Wetzer being brought by BSK Belgrade, Yugoslav striker Ivan Bek brought by Sete, DFC Prag bringing english striker James Ottaway, MTK Budapest bringing English striker Joe Lane, Gradjanski Zagreb bringing Austrian midfielder Karl Heinlein, Hajduk Spit signing Czech Jiri Sobotka, etc. We see that best clubs chased best players trying to improve their team, while best clubs from peripherical leagues were more interested in bringing senior experienced players which would serve initially both as coaches/players and progressivelly focus more in their coaching skills and teaching local youngsters the tactics and skills which they knew from Britain or Mittleuropa. Simultaneously, there was the emergence of a less visible wave which was parallel with socio-economic migration, which resulted in Latin Americans in Italy and Spain, or footballers from African colonies in France, Belgium, or Netherlands. WWII interrompted the rapid evolution football was having and the outcome of the war resulted in many changes. The first is the progressive disapearance of Mittleuropa as dominant center of football. Although Austria, Hungary, Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia continued displaying good football, having success in international competitions, and having high demand for their coaches and players, the post-war reality slowly finished with their notion of belonging to one same school. Politics created walls between these nations, with Austria staying as part of Western Europe, but with Hungary and Czechoslovakia becoming isolated in the eastern block, and Yugoslavia being separated from both by following a policy of Non-Allignment. Eastern block completelly changed the perception of football by bringing communist ideology into it in which spending capital to bring foreign coaches and players became perceved as evil capitalist model, and introduced a different style which focused entirelly on the development of local youth. Furthermore, free movement, travelling and playing abroad were strictly limited. An era of defections had started, with notable cases such as Puskas, kocsis, Czibor, Jorg Berger, Poliwka, Falko Gotz, or Miodrag Belodedici.In order to play abroad they had to become enemies of their state where they were considered traitors. This new division of the world in two blocs was probably one of the factors footballers emigration slowed down for some time. It will progressivelly increase in the 1970s and 1980s. With initially biggest clubs bringing established star players from all over the world, the dinamic changed to medium clubs searching for affordable good players, and smaller clubs chasing younger players in obscure leagues that would allow them to profit by selling them later expensivelly after getting them cheap.With players of equal or higher quality than Europeans, and clubs with incomparably lesser financial power, Brazilians and Argentinians became massivelly available and will be at the top of the list of foreign footballers for long time. Other major exporters would become Yugoslavs, Eastern Europeans and Africans. I could write over 100 pages about it, but cannot do it here. However, to finish this comment, I can say that the 1980s and 1990s were for football signings just as Sony Walkman was for music. Sony with its walkman made portable music available from everybody, same as transfers and bringing foreigners stoped being just a privilege of richest clubs from richest countries, but became a possibility for everyone. Here is when new dynamics appear, all sorts of clubs start investing in skauting. We move to a new era where old rules and privileges disapear. Borders are opened, travel time and connections improved, and globalization starts bringing an entire set od advantages. In a short space of time we change from not being able to even know if football is played in some remote area in the opposite side of the globe, to be able to keep updated with live games and resumes from every corner in the planet. Remote places are no longer dependent on political structures to bring foreigners to coach them or play in their team, but can make themselves heard and make direct offers to whoever they want. Globalization is a reality fully perceptible in international football, however, migrational trends are still highly influenced by the past, and identifying and analising them within their socio-economical, political and cultural elements. Regards to all.
Argentina and Brazil could be the strongest leagues in the world if they didn't lose some much talent to other leagues. Copa Libertadores could rival or be better than Champions League.
@@shenruivah of course you need money to retain your players. And I never said Europe doesn't produce talent, just saying that South America could have stronger leagues if they didn't have to sell their players
that makes no sense. those players only reach top world level once they leave to a better league. their problem is not too many players leaving, its too few international players coming to their league. south american trainers arent as good as europeans and that counts.
Before 91 there was about 20 countries in Europe less small countries that means better leagues mostly in east Europe. Yugoslavia is a Good example they went from 1 Good league to 7 leagues that has weak competion.
The Brazilian Seríe A could be one of the greatest leagues in the world, they just need to get more players to stay home and market there league like the prem somewhat. Then they can pay there players like European clubs and more will stay.
TheBossDrew Productions I believe it’s because there is not enough money in Brazil to support the player’s families. A lot of big European clubs exploit that socio-economic status of Brazil and the underprivileged families.
Many would need to invest in Brazil's league. It is easier to do that in England because England is a rich and well off country. Brazil is not as much, and is much poorer, therefore if you took the risk of investing you could make a big loss.
In the A League in Australia (I know not the greatest comp) but we r only allowed 5 imports the rest have to be from Australia or new Zealand it meant to keep some local talent at home also we have play offs and salary cap if we didn't I assume Melbourne city fc would win every year as owned by owners of man city. We are also required to have to have a couple of age grade players.
agreed, i also live in australia, have done for 30 years, i'm just sick of the ruling body, totally useless, after all these years of having sbs to rely on for our coverage we have hit rock bottom, first time since i've been here that's there's no free to air coverage, fucking sucks.
@Sebastian Saam oh the shame, i used to play for the original central coast (gosford) back in the 80's, so i follow the mariners, loads of serbs play in the a league, same as croats, italians, english, greek etc used to be seperate clubs in the old days but thankfully we are now all playing together instead of against eachother, basically every club in australia has a serb there somewhere, good players, love the serbs, only country with the bollocks to stand against hitler lol...
In Mexico there’s no salary cap but we have “pro/rel” and playoffs. Usually the teams that spend more are the most consistent but it doesn’t guarantee you winning the league.
Sebastian Saam well it’s interesting. Because Mexico has the best paid league in almost all of north and South America. I thnk the reason a lot of Mexicans don’t go abroad s encause I there playing at a decent sized club they make more money than being at a mid table club in a top euro league. And inflation in the league as well. My club bought a player a few years ago. And don’t get me wrong he’s good really good but the Mexican market isn’t worth much in the world stage. IMO he was worth 7-10 mil. But because he was bought for so much no club wants to lose to have a top player leave. And Argentine players have been hit or miss. Almost half the league is foreign players and players range from current players getting call ups for national teams like arg,Uruguay, Peru, Chile Colombia and Ecuador. So it makes it pretty competitive. But at the same time a lot of average/below average players come. But overall I think the Mexican league is solid. With loads of room for improvement especially if we can manage to get back in to copa libertadores.
Portuguese Liga teams not doing bad in Europe. The league also provides some talented players to Spain and England, teams enjoy sales to the other leagues. I admit that without the imported players from Brazil, Portuguese Liga standard would become weakened. It's good for young Brazilian players coming to Portuguese Liga, having chances to play regularly and getting notice from the bigger clubs in Europe.
@Sebastian Saam I agree with you. I think the financial factor is perhaps the problem for Portuguese teams, they focus too much on profit which leads them to get Quarter-final in European competitions if they are lucky. Their first priority is winning domestic competitions and then see how they'll perform in Champions League/Europa League, which is a great way to showcase their players
Mauro Rodrigues my man! Portuguese team has 4 champions league and 2 Europa league trophies, no to mention Benfica finals in 2013 and 2014 in Europa Legue. So it’s not true what you said
@@LHollan I was focusing on what happened last season, which is true. Sorry if I wasn't specifying in the history of the sport. Last year the best Portuguese teams did was the quarter final of CL. Which is not bad !
Great show! One thing about the migration from Argentina to Chile, a big part is due to the tax regulations in Argentina which makes it more profitable for players to go to Chile and from there to another country in a so-called triangular trade. A good example would be the case of Lavezzi.
I also loved the Piu Bella Cosa bit when talking about most foreigners in a European country. You're German aren't you? I didn't know you guys were into Eros Ramazzotti who is huge in Latin America. If not GREAT taste in music sir!
@Sebastian Saam I'm Uruguayan mate. I'm quite glad that as a footballing fan you've taken time out to visit South America to get a bit of our footballing culture. And since you have you've probably visited Uruguay already but if you haven't I encourage you to visit Deutscher Klub, est. in 1866 when you wish to take a trip to Uruguay. Its a little place that might bring you a little closer to home and they have great stakes to match. :-)
Just to clarify what many think here in Brazil, it's not exactly "players leave here too early thus weakening our football " it's more like "players leave here too early so they never fully develop the braziliam style" but also probably would not matter anymore forget braziliam style it's kinda dead with all the coachs too tatically "europeanized".
@Sebastian Saam It clearly is pretty lost as i see and has been for a while with of course a few exceptions that still has some sort of reminecent style like neymar, but if you just go to any neighborhood local club and play casual football with friends (with is still very common here) you will see the core braziliam way everywhere being played for fun all the time. When i was younger i've even trained in a club and almost started in amateur league and i can tell you already on this level what the scouts are looking for is nothing like we used to be in the best days, would be hard to describe precisely but being rudimmentary summing it up it is like "dribbling is too risk so it's bad do it as little as possible, frestyle is bad, good players are the one who just please the coachs in what they believe is the best". edit: if the coachs actualy were any good the previous statement would not be so bad, but most coachs here are horrible doesn't have a clue how to train a team, i'm talking even serie A teams, no ideia how this knowlege got lost.
The reason La Liga is so good despite having so less foreigners than other European leagues is bc those few foreigners are the best in the world. Basically what they lack in quantity they make up for in quality. Check the top players in the world throughout the years and I'll bet you the majority have played in La Liga at some point in their careers.
7:40 what? Portugal clearly profits a lot from it.. it’s such a small nation and benfica and porto have been the most dominant teams outside the top 5 for years
Sebastian Saam 😂 Portugal has more than the double of Netherlands size (POR 92.000 Km vs Netherlands 41.000 km) so it’s not that small compared to many important countries in Europe. And they only stress they are small, this could be a bit of trauma for the size of Spain? 😂 Moreover you say “Portuguese league is not a powerhouse”, obvious it’s a good league, it ranked 5th place last season (then, they outweighing French league according to UEFA ranking)... however it doesn’t make it a power house, not at all... not yet at least... but I’ve notice ms Portuguese are too much patriotic people, once I criticised Portugal national team and... 😂
Foreigners make national teams better, this is because they have better players from around the globe who take their spots but those who keep them get better than those "better" players and thus you have stronger players for the national team.
Slovakians are the biggest group in Polish Ekstraklasa .Dusan Kuciak , Lukas Haraslin , Robert Pich , Ondrej Duda ( 2014-2016 Legia Warsaw ) , Tomas Vestenicky ( Cracovia ,the opposite club to Wisla Krakow ) and 109 rest of Slovaks . Second nation in Poland is ... of course Brazil . The most known Brazilian in Polish League was Paulinho . That Paulinho from FC Barcelona . 112 other his fellow Brazilians plays and used to play in Poland . Then Serbia ( Milos Krasic ) , Croatia , Czechia ,Spain , Lithuania , Portugal , Nigeria .
That's also why it's so difficult to step up in Italian football, even for footballers Who have played for 10 years it's probably the most difficult league in the world (tactically), imagine for an 18 year old
Free movement of workers is a fundamental principle of the European Union! So we have a unique situation in our continent as we do not need any visas to work or live anywhere in Europe! How ever, a good mix of people of different countries is important too to keep the league on a very high level! That's why the Premier League is known to be one of the best leagues of the world! I lived in Australia, the A League is the equivalent of the 3 -4 division over here! No quality, no relegation system etc.
You are totally right. Despite all leagues still having regulation iimiting the number of foreigners, the Bossman rule changed the meaning of foreigner and made any player holding EU passport becoming domestic anywhere within EU. Clubs faced a major change by having now a new option to reinforce their squads. The ones that were less fortunate and lacked enough ammount of local talent to mantain their quality, were given an option which, if donne properly, could solve their problem. It became a case of free choice each club could make, if it wanted to invest more in their academy and be more dependent on local youngsters, or, if it wanted to invest more in scauting and buying players. Ideally, the best became a club finding a balanced way of investing in both, in a dinamic way in which adapts to a reality it faces at each moment, and makes the best of what academy produces and what can spend to cover the needs that were left. This however made some clubs disregard completelly their academy and just buy players. Ocassionally, clubs fielding a team of 11 players all from another countries resulted in some critics and conservatives claiming that this way football was becoming too commercial and was loosing its link with its roots, fans and local communities. It became obvious this extreme was not welcomed and that a balance between signings and home-players had to be made. UEFA also paid atention to this and implemented some rules making clubs having to include a certain number of home-players in the squad. However, even the most conservatives have to recognise that this new rule had brough a vast new number of options for clubs on how to make and menage their squads. Even the accusation that this ends favoring the richest clubs allowing them to use capital to simply buy and gather the best players from other clubs, it is also truth that other clubs also have a new option to explore other markets and capitalise by signing cheap talents from remote less developed areas, and later sell them by a vastly higher price. While Bossman rule undeniably changed club football, making leagues no longer to be formed overwelmingly by clubs who´s squads represented the quality of local talent, it didn´t forbit clubs from keeping working that way if wanted to, it just included a new element into competitivity which became clubs skill in participating in globalized transfers market. Inevitably some clubs failed and became victims, while others found ways to benefit and even archive results not even immagined earlier. However, even in countries where the reliability of clubs in their academies to archive results was deeply rooted and exclusive as way to succede, it was easy to verify that in bigger, or lesser, extent, the top clubs had allways benefited from a certain level of privilege in order to bring talented players from a wider range of territory, even if within their own country, while the rest had been the ones reliying strictly on home-based players. This means that this practice of players moving between clubs was always a reality, and, it overwelmingly benefited the few privileged ones, when now, all clubs are free to play its role in it. Football was inevitably going to change in this direction as globalization became a reality. It is wanderfull that we no longer have extraordinary players being tied as slaves unable to leave close dictatorial regimes and being exploited without capitalising their work and talent. Football opened way for a global market in which even obscure regimes are no longer able to deny their footballers to capitalise their talent if that becomes a possibility. While at first glance Bossman rule may seem some unfair instrument created to benefit the richest, in reality it provided a fair globalised tranfers market in which all are free to take part. Claiming Real Madrid benefits more now than in the time all Spanish clubs were subject to see their star being taken by government decree for free to Real Madrid, is ridiculous. Today, rich clubs clearly have an advantage, however, now all clubs are able to receve fair price for their players, and can explore themselves the market and with skills find talented players for affordable prices and make proffit. Not to mention the joy that players feel by not being tight anymore to what their local club can offer them, but negociate now fairly his value depending on his quality and offers. Also, local players can no longer demand artificial high values counting on abscense of quality of local players, clubs are free now to replace him by bringing a better and cheaper player from somewhere else. If critics even ignore all this and still claim that club football was better before with less foreigners and clubs depending much more on their academies and local players, they have to admit that no one is obligating clubs to anything, clubs can still keep on working as they wish and have their squads in a traditional way, like Athletic Bilbao does, the difference is just that clubs gained a wider spectrum of alternatives and choices to menage their squads, and the game just became more interesting. (Yeah, I am crazy :D but I love this topic)
It's entetaining to have the ability to bring the top talent to clubs, no matter their ethnicity. However, it would be a shame for the game itself if young people gave up on their dreams because they can't make it into their own league ( yes, i'm speaking about the UK ). Also, i think the spread of players really hurts the national teams. Look at Brazil and Argentina the past 20 years. We've ruined them as footballing nations in order to harvest their talent. But i can't complain at that, because Firmino is my absolute passion in Liverpool.
@Sebastian Saam Fair point, no actually sure if he came directly from brazil to hoffenheim either. But on the other hand, a lot of brazilian players never really live up to their hype in Europe, whilst they might have kept being brilliant at home in their own culture.
Hey, DW Kick off! I really like your videos but I do think you should be more accurate when delivering stats. E.g., when you talk about "correlations", what you really mean is proportions.
Sebastian Saam I am a teacher and we can only use it in class when it has subtitles but even so I will pass to the students explaining the content. Thank you!!
It's rather good. He would widen the attacking options couse we don't have any ather player like him. He seem to be the new James in the squad and exactly as him, I don't expect the board to trigger his buyout cause either.
Serbia had just won U20 World Cup in New Zealand. In the past it had won it as Yugoslavia in 1987 as well. It was twice a loosing finalist of European championships, and once a 3rd place in first ever World Cup in 1930. About clubs, Red Star was European and world champion in 1991 and Partizan Belgrade a loosing finalist in 1967. BTW, Serban capital Belgrade has the "Eternal Derby" between Partizan and Red Star considered by many the hotest derby in the world. Serbia is no surprise at all. You done some zero searching there dude.
@Sebastian Saam I apologise for being harsh at the end. You obviously done research. Please forgive me. The problem is the following. Both you and the publication fail to insert the data into a context. The context is that analising Serbian football as if it started when Serbia became Serbia in 2006 and ignoring Kingdom of Serbia, Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes, Kingdom of Yugoslavia, SFR Yugoslavia, FR Yugoslavia and Serbia and Montenegro, is as wrong as if analising Russian football and ignoring Soviet Union. Although Croatia had been having recently better results, Serbia is the official and only successor of Yugoslavia. The reason is that Serbs were majority always present in the national team and same with clubs allways present in the league. Serbian clubs have have by far most titles and, the most important aspect, the federation was in Belgrade, Serbia, continuously till today, only that other nationalities enter/left, borders changed, country names changed, but the headquarters, presidency, and Serbian players in nt and clubs in league were the constant. For Serbs, that was allways "our" federation, our national team, our league, regardless of the name of the country, or inclusion, or not, of others. The history of Yugoslav and Serbian football are one and same in continuity. This becomes even more evident in the migration analisis. Yugoslav players became very popular in the 1970s and 1980s. Being the only communist country outside Warsaw Pact and having a much more liberal regime, Yugoslavs became popular in western Europe, northern America and even Australia. National team was strong, the league was competitive and coaches and players started being highly desired by many western clubs. By the late 1980s Yugoslavs were already common foreigners in most western European leagues. Ammong them, Serbs were the most numerous which is normal since they are the most numerous nation, but others emmigrated just the same, and proportionally, Croats were even the most common in German, Austrian, Swiss or Belgian clubs for exemple. Yugoslav U20 WC title in 1987 indicated there was talented young generations comming, and good results of clubs in Europe served as a great way to display players besides the national team. Yugoslavs played an atractive offensive football which made Yugoslav coaches to be on high demand as well, and they would often bring along players as well. So, this is the root that made Serbs, Croats, Bosnians, Montenegrins and other ex-Yugoslavs to be numerous in many leagues. With the dissolution of Yugoslavia, wars and UN sanctions that excluded Yugoslavs for 3 years from international competitions, the dissolution of the league into much less competitive ones and the financial crisis the clubs experienced (along with incresing corruption) made Serbs, Croats and others increased the massive exporting bussiness of footballers which is seen till today. Initially, it was the liberal policy of Yugoslav regime that made Yugoslavs able to emmigrate and to become ammong the first foreigners in many leagues, their overall better relation of quality and price, and the political situation home, that made Yugoslavs be popular along Brazilians and Argentinians. Serbs as most numerous ex-Yugoslav nation non-surprisingly are the most numerous, with Croats in the top 10 as well for sure. So one cannot come and be surprised at all for seeing Serbs at the list, and it is not at all because of their numbers in Bosnia as you said (most those Serbs in Bosnia are native Serbs born there) but because of this long tradition initiated in Yugoslav times and kept since then. For more you can see a good text at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Serbian_football_champions
@Sebastian Saam your mistakes are: Not to understand Serbs are on that list on the top 5 since the 1980s. Not to understand Serbs have long standing tradition both in football and as foreigners in leagues around the world. Not to understand their numbers are not due to their presence in Bosnia or other regional leagues (actually, there are just as many Croats playing in Bosnia). They are there, but those are mostly either local Bosnian Serbs or irrelevant players which found no club in Serbia so went there to avoid playing at Serbian lower leagues. Serbia has many players abroad because all over world there are many Serbian coaches and players all around the world ever since decades ago. As mentioned, it started by the best clubs in major leagues bringing best Serbian players, and continued by many clubs wanting themselves to bring their own Mijatovic, Stankovic, Mihajlovic, Vidic and others. Not to understand Serbs and Croats are numerous in leagues around the world as both were Yugoslavs back then and share same emigrational root. Croats proportionally even emigrated more if you notece overall population. Croats are numeroustoday in Ukraine, Poland, Germany, Austria, Hungary, etc. Even in Serbian clubs Croats were usual imports in history, only now because of the animosity between the two that their presence is rare. Most interesting, Serbian and Croatian footballers abroad were common ever since 1930s. They were usual foreigners along Austrians, Hungarians and Czechoslovakians in Serie A and Ligue 1 ever since then. Then after the end of second world war the tendency slowed down just to be retaken in the 1970s and 1980s. Serbs were ammong the first and most numerous foreigners in basically all major European leagues, and also ammong the first in places like Japan (Stojkovic), Mexico (Bora Milutinovic), first foreign goalkeeper in Premier League (Golac, Southampton 1978), in China, etc. So, see your mistakes now? See the lists at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lists_of_expatriate_association_football_players
Argentines who go to Chile or Mexico are always players without a level to go to Europe. Mediocre players or just above average. They go to those leagues because there they can be protagonists and earn more money. There is no other reason. Really good players go to Europe without stops. That is why in the Mexican or Chilean leagues players who in the Argentine league are no big deal can become big stars.
@Sebastian Saam global migration may be a feature of globalization but that is not what it is and secondly globalization is actually quite new in our time but was practiced in early forms such as the silk road.
People should not be so surprised that players are actually migrating to the USA. You can make all the jokes you want about American soccer and MLS, but that league has one stipulation that will make it very attractive: All MLS players are guaranteed to get paid on time, regardless of who they play for. No MLS club investor can get away with delaying payments or handing out IOUs like too many owners in other countries become guilty of. So maybe you won't make a ton of money playing association football in the States, but you at least have the security of knowing your check will always arrive on time.
Football has become so tactical like Spain during they're reign 2008-2012 WC, UEFA CL the best modern period football is between 1998-2004 - England got a great squad that has won nothing no CL, no WC!!
I am a Portland Thorns fan. We do have a lot of international players, but World Cup after World Cup shows U.S. women dominate. That said, when a top Icelandic, German or Australian footballer wants to move here for twice the salary she can get at home, I am like "Hey honey! The weather's great and have you tried our local salmon?" Soccer city USA.
Well, our team captain is still Canadian I think, but Christine Sinclair is probably only a touch behind Marta as the most effective woman forward of all time. If she is even behind.
@Sebastian Saam I recently checked, less international players than I initially thought. But significant. Team Captain Sinclair, Rasso, and a few others.
North American leagues don’t have national requirements. All they ask is, Can you do it? Mind you, we play mostly different sports, and our leagues have different structures.
You really didn’t do your research on this Serbia thing, Serbia has these borders since 2008 politically and 2015 football-wise and they don’t have 7 million. Kosovo is now a country for UEFA
Well according to what you just said Serbia has undergone a border change in 2008, but the reporter says it’s borders are from 2006. If Kosovo is recognized by the world or not is not of matter because football recognizes it as a football nation and that’s what we are talking about.
Sebastian Saam I am not talking about the political point of view. Kosovo is a football nation since 2015-2016 and that’s when Serbia’s “border” was changed according to UEFA and FIFA. Mind you Great Britain is not a football nation, there are 4 football nations in the political Great Britain. We are talking about football here not about actual borders. Thanks
Most of black people with name from Western African countries (Mendy , Sissokho, Sidibe...) you see in France are born in France and grown up in France.
It needs to be monitored or you'll end up with England with not as much English homegrown players given training and time trying to compete with the best of the world, but now that the FA changed rules, English players are thriving alot more in their England team international tournaments
Most European big clubs cook their numbers or have Arab oil sugardaddies behind them for their financing. Once that bubble bursts it will be a sight to behold. Time to cancel the bosman rules as well that would make club and international football much more exciting.
@Sebastian Saam what Aleksa refers is the same that I explained you, it is your reaction in the video as being surprised for seing Serbia in 3rd in the list and suggesting Serbia has no tradition in having footballers abroad, when in fact Serbs, defined earlier as Yugoslavs, would be continuously on the top 5 of that list ever since 1980s. The tradition of Serbian expatriate footballers begins in the very begining of foreigners in club football in entire world. Serbs were ammong Yugoslavs that became first foreigners along Austrians, Czechoslovaks and Hungarians still in the 1930s. Serbs were common in major leagues in the 1970s and 1980s, but it is in the 1990s that they massivelly invade worldwide leagues. During 1990s in Spain and Portugal there were more clubs including at least one Serbian player than not. Mijatovic, Djukic, Jokanovic, Kovacevic, Djorovic, Nadj, Pantic, Paunovic, etc. Serie A the same, Mihailovic, Stankovic, Jugovic, Mirkovic, Bolic, Sakic, Lazetic, etc. Eredivisie with Vasovic, Kezman, even Mexico with Milutinovic, Brazil with Petkovic, Japan with Stojkovic, you name it. Not only players but coaches invaded all corners of the world Antic, Milutinovic, Rajevac, Boskov, Petkovic, etc. The trend continued ever since then because overall all Yugoslavs offered good quality/price relation. You failed there in missing Serbs have huge tradition as foreigners both as players and coaches. So for someone informed on the matter it shouldn´t be surprise at all, and should explain it much better than mentioning their presence in Bosnia since that is eactly a missleading idea.
@Sebastian Saam I don't know, that's what I was hoping to get from this video. But I know in Ireland right now, people are talking about the fact that there aren't many foreign players in our league, this is despite the fact that there is a lot of immigration generally. So whatever's happening, the dynamics of immigration are different for soccer than general immigration.
galatasaray besiktas fenerbahce and other turkish clubs have 007's in germany where ever they see a german born talented turk they GRABBBBBBBBBBBBB....
MLS actually pays more than almost all of the leagues except the top 5. Which proves MLS is a much better league than its FIFA ranking shows. I’m no MLS apologist. I hate MLS and am so glad the USMT is finally being drawn from Euro clubs and not the MLS. But it gets ranked like near the Lithuanian first league despite the fact that MLS pays so much more. It’s like sure, supposedly better players in supposedly better league just don’t want to go to the US to get paid more and would rather get paid less and live in Eastern Europe than get paid more and live in the country with the highest standard of living on Earth. Yeah no. The MLS is much better than its FIFA ranking. It’s payroll proves that. Players go where they can make the most money. And to a lesser extent live in a nicer place and face tougher competition and get more media exposure. But money comes in first...
MLS is ranked 20th in the league coefficient rankings, behind Greece yet they’re 7th in pay. Behind the 5 big Euro leagues and Brazil. Interestingly enough, the 6 leagues in front of them rank exactly the same in pay and in their coefficient. Which makes sense. The best players will go where they can make the most. Yet only the MLSs coefficient is so far behind their average pay. So obviously, the either the MLS is way under rated or players just prefer to make less and play in shitty countries...
MLS is around the Turkey League, Eridivisie, Liga MX range, better than the Scottish Premier except for Rangers and Celtic. Just follow the money. The top teams in the world pay the most money. Same with the top leagues. All the math is slightly thrown off by the existence of designated players in MLS but not so much as too bring the MLS from the 7th highest paying league to the 20th best. Again, all the other leagues in the world are ranked right around if not exactly what they pay. Only the MLS is the discrepancy so massive. It’s obvious anti American bias. Again, all this from someone who hates MLS...
Pay doesnt equal quality, for many people fame also counts highly and moving to another european country near you with the same culture is more attractive then moving to the USA. You also need to consider the cost of living, 1mil a year in the USA may get you less then 500k in an eastern european country. There can even be more aspects like lower crimerate, better food, friends and family, being a european citizen gets you easy access to any other european country and club, ...
Nationality should not determine anything I think. Teams should contain the players that they have raised in their team. There can be a limitation about that.
Sebastian Saam That Cool ! I also watched the video made during the Copa America and enjoyed watching Flamengo's game. I'm a Flamengo fan and I frequent Maracanã regularly. Next Sunday we will have Flamengo x Fluminense.
@Sebastian Saam Lol. She spoke to you in Portuges and you replied in Spanish. Although they are very similar languages, they are not the same. I speak Spanish and can understand Portuges relatively easy.
@Sebastian Saam they most certainly are. Nigeria is one of the major exporters of footballers top 10 on every list including the CIES mentioned in this video. Nigeria has more players than Uruguay playing Abroad. That's just one example.
I made a major study on this issue. There are two major factors that influnce the number of footballers playing abroad: when a nation has much more quality players than the domestic league can absorve (surplus of players), and domestic economic situation (when emigrating is finantially convenient for players). At the begining of 20 century, in most countries, it was foreigners, mostly from Britain, that brought the first balls, started first clubs, introduced the rules and were the first players and coaches. If we exclude them and take into account emigrants only from the time leagues were already established, we have the case of major clubs bringing first foreign coaches and players from two regions where football was most developed: Brittish isles and what was known as Mittleuropa. Most leagues in Europe were established around 1920s, some a decade earlier, some a decade later. In this interwar period football gains huge popularity and first "signings" appear. From Scandinavia, to Portugal or Turkey, the best clubs started bringing coaches which were often also players, from either England, Scotland or Ireland, or either from Austria, Hungary, Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia. The main leagues became the English, Italian, German, Austrian, Hungarian and French, while others would progressivelly become more peripherical as greater the distance from this central/western Europe was. In my personal opinion, foreigners became common first in leagues of countries where inter-ethnic relations were already a reality. For instance, Czechoslovak league included a club DFC Prag which was formed by ethnic Germans. Also, sharing German language made coaches and players from Germany, Austria and Switzerland play in any of those countries. Another aspect is that Austria, Hungary and Czechoslovakia had leagues established earlier when all were part of Austro-Hungarian empire and all 3, including also parts of Yugoslavia, Romania, Italy and Poland, could join clubs from any of these regions as in all they were domestic. WWI separated all these countries, however, they shared one same football style and school, and a revolution came when the Mittleuropa Cup was formed. The best clubs of Austria, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, and Italy would compete in what is by many considered the predecessor of the European Champions Cup. These clubs started taking football much more seriously and first professional contracts started being offered. These clubs started offering enough high salaries so coaches and players could dedicate exclusivelly to football. This also meant this clubs would start searching for players from elsewhere which would deserve the salaries they could offer. Some interesting cases were Beerchot and Belgian national team striker Raymond Braine being brought by Sparta Prague, Unirea Timisoara and Romanian national team captain Rudolf Wetzer being brought by BSK Belgrade, Yugoslav striker Ivan Bek brought by Sete, DFC Prag bringing english striker James Ottaway, MTK Budapest bringing English striker Joe Lane, Gradjanski Zagreb bringing Austrian midfielder Karl Heinlein, Hajduk Spit signing Czech Jiri Sobotka, etc.
We see that best clubs chased best players trying to improve their team, while best clubs from peripherical leagues were more interested in bringing senior experienced players which would serve initially both as coaches/players and progressivelly focus more in their coaching skills and teaching local youngsters the tactics and skills which they knew from Britain or Mittleuropa.
Simultaneously, there was the emergence of a less visible wave which was parallel with socio-economic migration, which resulted in Latin Americans in Italy and Spain, or footballers from African colonies in France, Belgium, or Netherlands. WWII interrompted the rapid evolution football was having and the outcome of the war resulted in many changes. The first is the progressive disapearance of Mittleuropa as dominant center of football. Although Austria, Hungary, Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia continued displaying good football, having success in international competitions, and having high demand for their coaches and players, the post-war reality slowly finished with their notion of belonging to one same school. Politics created walls between these nations, with Austria staying as part of Western Europe, but with Hungary and Czechoslovakia becoming isolated in the eastern block, and Yugoslavia being separated from both by following a policy of Non-Allignment. Eastern block completelly changed the perception of football by bringing communist ideology into it in which spending capital to bring foreign coaches and players became perceved as evil capitalist model, and introduced a different style which focused entirelly on the development of local youth. Furthermore, free movement, travelling and playing abroad were strictly limited. An era of defections had started, with notable cases such as Puskas, kocsis, Czibor, Jorg Berger, Poliwka, Falko Gotz, or Miodrag Belodedici.In order to play abroad they had to become enemies of their state where they were considered traitors. This new division of the world in two blocs was probably one of the factors footballers emigration slowed down for some time. It will progressivelly increase in the 1970s and 1980s. With initially biggest clubs bringing established star players from all over the world, the dinamic changed to medium clubs searching for affordable good players, and smaller clubs chasing younger players in obscure leagues that would allow them to profit by selling them later expensivelly after getting them cheap.With players of equal or higher quality than Europeans, and clubs with incomparably lesser financial power, Brazilians and Argentinians became massivelly available and will be at the top of the list of foreign footballers for long time. Other major exporters would become Yugoslavs, Eastern Europeans and Africans.
I could write over 100 pages about it, but cannot do it here. However, to finish this comment, I can say that the 1980s and 1990s were for football signings just as Sony Walkman was for music. Sony with its walkman made portable music available from everybody, same as transfers and bringing foreigners stoped being just a privilege of richest clubs from richest countries, but became a possibility for everyone. Here is when new dynamics appear, all sorts of clubs start investing in skauting. We move to a new era where old rules and privileges disapear. Borders are opened, travel time and connections improved, and globalization starts bringing an entire set od advantages. In a short space of time we change from not being able to even know if football is played in some remote area in the opposite side of the globe, to be able to keep updated with live games and resumes from every corner in the planet. Remote places are no longer dependent on political structures to bring foreigners to coach them or play in their team, but can make themselves heard and make direct offers to whoever they want. Globalization is a reality fully perceptible in international football, however, migrational trends are still highly influenced by the past, and identifying and analising them within their socio-economical, political and cultural elements. Regards to all.
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Argentina and Brazil could be the strongest leagues in the world if they didn't lose some much talent to other leagues. Copa Libertadores could rival or be better than Champions League.
But then you need money too, and it's not like European nations don't produce good players.
@@shenruivah of course you need money to retain your players. And I never said Europe doesn't produce talent, just saying that South America could have stronger leagues if they didn't have to sell their players
that makes no sense. those players only reach top world level once they leave to a better league.
their problem is not too many players leaving, its too few international players coming to their league.
south american trainers arent as good as europeans and that counts.
Ecxept it wouldn’t because you get better playing against bigger teams more players different foreigners not just the same old people dummy
for many decades they did, A Santos, Penarol, Independiente,Estudiantes, were forces to be recon in those years.
Before 91 there was about 20 countries in Europe less small countries that means better leagues mostly in east Europe. Yugoslavia is a Good example they went from 1 Good league to 7 leagues that has weak competion.
The Brazilian Seríe A could be one of the greatest leagues in the world, they just need to get more players to stay home and market there league like the prem somewhat. Then they can pay there players like European clubs and more will stay.
TheBossDrew Productions I believe it’s because there is not enough money in Brazil to support the player’s families.
A lot of big European clubs exploit that socio-economic status of Brazil and the underprivileged families.
alot of brazil player are signing contract with chinese club. there is no way brazilian club would pay salary as much oscar earns in shanghai sipg
Brazilian players only reach world quality when they leave.
brazilian league is weak because their trainers are weak.
That's hard because the dream of all kids whos play football and also the dream of 99,9% of brazilians players is to play in europe.
Many would need to invest in Brazil's league. It is easier to do that in England because England is a rich and well off country. Brazil is not as much, and is much poorer, therefore if you took the risk of investing you could make a big loss.
In the A League in Australia (I know not the greatest comp) but we r only allowed 5 imports the rest have to be from Australia or new Zealand it meant to keep some local talent at home also we have play offs and salary cap if we didn't I assume Melbourne city fc would win every year as owned by owners of man city.
We are also required to have to have a couple of age grade players.
Aaron Becker Same in India
agreed, i also live in australia, have done for 30 years, i'm just sick of the ruling body, totally useless, after all these years of having sbs to rely on for our coverage we have hit rock bottom, first time since i've been here that's there's no free to air coverage, fucking sucks.
@Sebastian Saam oh the shame, i used to play for the original central coast (gosford) back in the 80's, so i follow the mariners, loads of serbs play in the a league, same as croats, italians, english, greek etc used to be seperate clubs in the old days but thankfully we are now all playing together instead of against eachother, basically every club in australia has a serb there somewhere, good players, love the serbs, only country with the bollocks to stand against hitler lol...
In Mexico there’s no salary cap but we have “pro/rel” and playoffs. Usually the teams that spend more are the most consistent but it doesn’t guarantee you winning the league.
Sebastian Saam well it’s interesting. Because Mexico has the best paid league in almost all of north and South America. I thnk the reason a lot of Mexicans don’t go abroad s encause I there playing at a decent sized club they make more money than being at a mid table club in a top euro league. And inflation in the league as well. My club bought a player a few years ago. And don’t get me wrong he’s good really good but the Mexican market isn’t worth much in the world stage. IMO he was worth 7-10 mil. But because he was bought for so much no club wants to lose to have a top player leave. And Argentine players have been hit or miss. Almost half the league is foreign players and players range from current players getting call ups for national teams like arg,Uruguay, Peru, Chile Colombia and Ecuador. So it makes it pretty competitive. But at the same time a lot of average/below average players come. But overall I think the Mexican league is solid. With loads of room for improvement especially if we can manage to get back in to copa libertadores.
Portuguese Liga teams not doing bad in Europe.
The league also provides some talented players to Spain and England, teams enjoy sales to the other leagues.
I admit that without the imported players from Brazil, Portuguese Liga standard would become weakened.
It's good for young Brazilian players coming to Portuguese Liga, having chances to play regularly and getting notice from the bigger clubs in Europe.
@Sebastian Saam I agree with you. I think the financial factor is perhaps the problem for Portuguese teams, they focus too much on profit which leads them to get Quarter-final in European competitions if they are lucky.
Their first priority is winning domestic competitions and then see how they'll perform in Champions League/Europa League, which is a great way to showcase their players
Mauro Rodrigues my man! Portuguese team has 4 champions league and 2 Europa league trophies, no to mention Benfica finals in 2013 and 2014 in Europa Legue. So it’s not true what you said
@@LHollan I was focusing on what happened last season, which is true. Sorry if I wasn't specifying in the history of the sport.
Last year the best Portuguese teams did was the quarter final of CL. Which is not bad !
Great video, you guys "killed it" (in a strongly positive way) with the music! LIKE!
Incredibly produced, I also loved your delivery. Thank you for the information :)
Great show! One thing about the migration from Argentina to Chile, a big part is due to the tax regulations in Argentina which makes it more profitable for players to go to Chile and from there to another country in a so-called triangular trade. A good example would be the case of Lavezzi.
I also loved the Piu Bella Cosa bit when talking about most foreigners in a European country.
You're German aren't you? I didn't know you guys were into Eros Ramazzotti who is huge in Latin America.
If not GREAT taste in music sir!
@Sebastian Saam
I'm Uruguayan mate. I'm quite glad that as a footballing fan you've taken time out to visit South America to get a bit of our footballing culture. And since you have you've probably visited Uruguay already but if you haven't I encourage you to visit Deutscher Klub, est. in 1866 when you wish to take a trip to Uruguay. Its a little place that might bring you a little closer to home and they have great stakes to match. :-)
Love the music in this video haha. Kollektiv Turmstrasse and Daft Punk
Just to clarify what many think here in Brazil, it's not exactly "players leave here too early thus weakening our football " it's more like "players leave here too early so they never fully develop the braziliam style" but also probably would not matter anymore forget braziliam style it's kinda dead with all the coachs too tatically "europeanized".
@Sebastian Saam It clearly is pretty lost as i see and has been for a while with of course a few exceptions that still has some sort of reminecent style like neymar, but if you just go to any neighborhood local club and play casual football with friends (with is still very common here) you will see the core braziliam way everywhere being played for fun all the time. When i was younger i've even trained in a club and almost started in amateur league and i can tell you already on this level what the scouts are looking for is nothing like we used to be in the best days, would be hard to describe precisely but being rudimmentary summing it up it is like "dribbling is too risk so it's bad do it as little as possible, frestyle is bad, good players are the one who just please the coachs in what they believe is the best".
edit: if the coachs actualy were any good the previous statement would not be so bad, but most coachs here are horrible doesn't have a clue how to train a team, i'm talking even serie A teams, no ideia how this knowlege got lost.
brazilian style, "brinca na areia" consists in great tecnic, big show and loosing the game.
16 millions INDIA ...... Lots of love from INDIA
In India It is 7 per team and 5 on the pitch at a time
06:10 Dubioza Kolektiv - great taste of music 👌
@Sebastian Saam haha what an idea 😄 I'll fuckin do that! 😄
The reason La Liga is so good despite having so less foreigners than other European leagues is bc those few foreigners are the best in the world. Basically what they lack in quantity they make up for in quality. Check the top players in the world throughout the years and I'll bet you the majority have played in La Liga at some point in their careers.
@Sebastian Saam Money. Fame. The opportunity to play for some of the most successful and popular clubs.
7:40 what? Portugal clearly profits a lot from it.. it’s such a small nation and benfica and porto have been the most dominant teams outside the top 5 for years
Sebastian Saam 😂 Portugal has more than the double of Netherlands size (POR 92.000 Km vs Netherlands 41.000 km) so it’s not that small compared to many important countries in Europe. And they only stress they are small, this could be a bit of trauma for the size of Spain? 😂 Moreover you say “Portuguese league is not a powerhouse”, obvious it’s a good league, it ranked 5th place last season (then, they outweighing French league according to UEFA ranking)... however it doesn’t make it a power house, not at all... not yet at least... but I’ve notice ms Portuguese are too much patriotic people, once I criticised Portugal national team and... 😂
Foreigners make national teams better, this is because they have better players from around the globe who take their spots but those who keep them get better than those "better" players and thus you have stronger players for the national team.
Foreigners make national leagues they leave worse too.
Slovakians are the biggest group in Polish Ekstraklasa .Dusan Kuciak , Lukas Haraslin , Robert Pich , Ondrej Duda ( 2014-2016 Legia Warsaw ) , Tomas Vestenicky ( Cracovia ,the opposite club to Wisla Krakow ) and 109 rest of Slovaks . Second nation in Poland is ... of course Brazil . The most known Brazilian in Polish League was Paulinho . That Paulinho from FC Barcelona . 112 other his fellow Brazilians plays and used to play in Poland . Then Serbia ( Milos Krasic ) , Croatia , Czechia ,Spain , Lithuania , Portugal , Nigeria .
That's also why it's so difficult to step up in Italian football, even for footballers Who have played for 10 years it's probably the most difficult league in the world (tactically), imagine for an 18 year old
Free movement of workers is a fundamental principle of the European Union! So we have a unique situation in our continent as we do not need any visas to work or live anywhere in Europe! How ever, a good mix of people of different countries is important too to keep the league on a very high level! That's why the Premier League is known to be one of the best leagues of the world! I lived in Australia, the A League is the equivalent of the 3 -4 division over here! No quality, no relegation system etc.
You are totally right. Despite all leagues still having regulation iimiting the number of foreigners, the Bossman rule changed the meaning of foreigner and made any player holding EU passport becoming domestic anywhere within EU. Clubs faced a major change by having now a new option to reinforce their squads. The ones that were less fortunate and lacked enough ammount of local talent to mantain their quality, were given an option which, if donne properly, could solve their problem. It became a case of free choice each club could make, if it wanted to invest more in their academy and be more dependent on local youngsters, or, if it wanted to invest more in scauting and buying players. Ideally, the best became a club finding a balanced way of investing in both, in a dinamic way in which adapts to a reality it faces at each moment, and makes the best of what academy produces and what can spend to cover the needs that were left. This however made some clubs disregard completelly their academy and just buy players. Ocassionally, clubs fielding a team of 11 players all from another countries resulted in some critics and conservatives claiming that this way football was becoming too commercial and was loosing its link with its roots, fans and local communities. It became obvious this extreme was not welcomed and that a balance between signings and home-players had to be made. UEFA also paid atention to this and implemented some rules making clubs having to include a certain number of home-players in the squad. However, even the most conservatives have to recognise that this new rule had brough a vast new number of options for clubs on how to make and menage their squads. Even the accusation that this ends favoring the richest clubs allowing them to use capital to simply buy and gather the best players from other clubs, it is also truth that other clubs also have a new option to explore other markets and capitalise by signing cheap talents from remote less developed areas, and later sell them by a vastly higher price. While Bossman rule undeniably changed club football, making leagues no longer to be formed overwelmingly by clubs who´s squads represented the quality of local talent, it didn´t forbit clubs from keeping working that way if wanted to, it just included a new element into competitivity which became clubs skill in participating in globalized transfers market. Inevitably some clubs failed and became victims, while others found ways to benefit and even archive results not even immagined earlier. However, even in countries where the reliability of clubs in their academies to archive results was deeply rooted and exclusive as way to succede, it was easy to verify that in bigger, or lesser, extent, the top clubs had allways benefited from a certain level of privilege in order to bring talented players from a wider range of territory, even if within their own country, while the rest had been the ones reliying strictly on home-based players. This means that this practice of players moving between clubs was always a reality, and, it overwelmingly benefited the few privileged ones, when now, all clubs are free to play its role in it. Football was inevitably going to change in this direction as globalization became a reality. It is wanderfull that we no longer have extraordinary players being tied as slaves unable to leave close dictatorial regimes and being exploited without capitalising their work and talent. Football opened way for a global market in which even obscure regimes are no longer able to deny their footballers to capitalise their talent if that becomes a possibility. While at first glance Bossman rule may seem some unfair instrument created to benefit the richest, in reality it provided a fair globalised tranfers market in which all are free to take part. Claiming Real Madrid benefits more now than in the time all Spanish clubs were subject to see their star being taken by government decree for free to Real Madrid, is ridiculous. Today, rich clubs clearly have an advantage, however, now all clubs are able to receve fair price for their players, and can explore themselves the market and with skills find talented players for affordable prices and make proffit. Not to mention the joy that players feel by not being tight anymore to what their local club can offer them, but negociate now fairly his value depending on his quality and offers. Also, local players can no longer demand artificial high values counting on abscense of quality of local players, clubs are free now to replace him by bringing a better and cheaper player from somewhere else. If critics even ignore all this and still claim that club football was better before with less foreigners and clubs depending much more on their academies and local players, they have to admit that no one is obligating clubs to anything, clubs can still keep on working as they wish and have their squads in a traditional way, like Athletic Bilbao does, the difference is just that clubs gained a wider spectrum of alternatives and choices to menage their squads, and the game just became more interesting. (Yeah, I am crazy :D but I love this topic)
It's entetaining to have the ability to bring the top talent to clubs, no matter their ethnicity. However, it would be a shame for the game itself if young people gave up on their dreams because they can't make it into their own league ( yes, i'm speaking about the UK ). Also, i think the spread of players really hurts the national teams. Look at Brazil and Argentina the past 20 years. We've ruined them as footballing nations in order to harvest their talent. But i can't complain at that, because Firmino is my absolute passion in Liverpool.
@Sebastian Saam Fair point, no actually sure if he came directly from brazil to hoffenheim either. But on the other hand, a lot of brazilian players never really live up to their hype in Europe, whilst they might have kept being brilliant at home in their own culture.
Hey can anyone help me out with the soundtracks used? I just keep forgetting song names
Hey, DW Kick off! I really like your videos but I do think you should be more accurate when delivering stats. E.g., when you talk about "correlations", what you really mean is proportions.
Persiana americana - soda stereo is the song played when Argentina is mentioned to have players In Chile.
nothing their nice songs , I was just mentioning because I thought his choices were good ones.
Cool Video and Dope Backgroundmusic!!
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Great post for geography classes! thanks! Pena não ter legendas
Sebastian Saam I am a teacher and we can only use it in class when it has subtitles but even so I will pass to the students explaining the content. Thank you!!
Awesome content
Great video!
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@Sebastian Saam you have made right guesses. It's Bayern. And btw they are 15 now.
It's rather good. He would widen the attacking options couse we don't have any ather player like him. He seem to be the new James in the squad and exactly as him, I don't expect the board to trigger his buyout cause either.
Serbia had just won U20 World Cup in New Zealand. In the past it had won it as Yugoslavia in 1987 as well. It was twice a loosing finalist of European championships, and once a 3rd place in first ever World Cup in 1930. About clubs, Red Star was European and world champion in 1991 and Partizan Belgrade a loosing finalist in 1967. BTW, Serban capital Belgrade has the "Eternal Derby" between Partizan and Red Star considered by many the hotest derby in the world. Serbia is no surprise at all. You done some zero searching there dude.
@Sebastian Saam I apologise for being harsh at the end. You obviously done research. Please forgive me. The problem is the following. Both you and the publication fail to insert the data into a context. The context is that analising Serbian football as if it started when Serbia became Serbia in 2006 and ignoring Kingdom of Serbia, Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes, Kingdom of Yugoslavia, SFR Yugoslavia, FR Yugoslavia and Serbia and Montenegro, is as wrong as if analising Russian football and ignoring Soviet Union. Although Croatia had been having recently better results, Serbia is the official and only successor of Yugoslavia. The reason is that Serbs were majority always present in the national team and same with clubs allways present in the league. Serbian clubs have have by far most titles and, the most important aspect, the federation was in Belgrade, Serbia, continuously till today, only that other nationalities enter/left, borders changed, country names changed, but the headquarters, presidency, and Serbian players in nt and clubs in league were the constant. For Serbs, that was allways "our" federation, our national team, our league, regardless of the name of the country, or inclusion, or not, of others. The history of Yugoslav and Serbian football are one and same in continuity.
This becomes even more evident in the migration analisis. Yugoslav players became very popular in the 1970s and 1980s. Being the only communist country outside Warsaw Pact and having a much more liberal regime, Yugoslavs became popular in western Europe, northern America and even Australia. National team was strong, the league was competitive and coaches and players started being highly desired by many western clubs. By the late 1980s Yugoslavs were already common foreigners in most western European leagues. Ammong them, Serbs were the most numerous which is normal since they are the most numerous nation, but others emmigrated just the same, and proportionally, Croats were even the most common in German, Austrian, Swiss or Belgian clubs for exemple. Yugoslav U20 WC title in 1987 indicated there was talented young generations comming, and good results of clubs in Europe served as a great way to display players besides the national team. Yugoslavs played an atractive offensive football which made Yugoslav coaches to be on high demand as well, and they would often bring along players as well.
So, this is the root that made Serbs, Croats, Bosnians, Montenegrins and other ex-Yugoslavs to be numerous in many leagues. With the dissolution of Yugoslavia, wars and UN sanctions that excluded Yugoslavs for 3 years from international competitions, the dissolution of the league into much less competitive ones and the financial crisis the clubs experienced (along with incresing corruption) made Serbs, Croats and others increased the massive exporting bussiness of footballers which is seen till today. Initially, it was the liberal policy of Yugoslav regime that made Yugoslavs able to emmigrate and to become ammong the first foreigners in many leagues, their overall better relation of quality and price, and the political situation home, that made Yugoslavs be popular along Brazilians and Argentinians. Serbs as most numerous ex-Yugoslav nation non-surprisingly are the most numerous, with Croats in the top 10 as well for sure. So one cannot come and be surprised at all for seeing Serbs at the list, and it is not at all because of their numbers in Bosnia as you said (most those Serbs in Bosnia are native Serbs born there) but because of this long tradition initiated in Yugoslav times and kept since then.
For more you can see a good text at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Serbian_football_champions
@Sebastian Saam your mistakes are:
Not to understand Serbs are on that list on the top 5 since the 1980s.
Not to understand Serbs have long standing tradition both in football and as foreigners in leagues around the world.
Not to understand their numbers are not due to their presence in Bosnia or other regional leagues (actually, there are just as many Croats playing in Bosnia). They are there, but those are mostly either local Bosnian Serbs or irrelevant players which found no club in Serbia so went there to avoid playing at Serbian lower leagues. Serbia has many players abroad because all over world there are many Serbian coaches and players all around the world ever since decades ago. As mentioned, it started by the best clubs in major leagues bringing best Serbian players, and continued by many clubs wanting themselves to bring their own Mijatovic, Stankovic, Mihajlovic, Vidic and others.
Not to understand Serbs and Croats are numerous in leagues around the world as both were Yugoslavs back then and share same emigrational root. Croats proportionally even emigrated more if you notece overall population. Croats are numeroustoday in Ukraine, Poland, Germany, Austria, Hungary, etc. Even in Serbian clubs Croats were usual imports in history, only now because of the animosity between the two that their presence is rare.
Most interesting, Serbian and Croatian footballers abroad were common ever since 1930s. They were usual foreigners along Austrians, Hungarians and Czechoslovakians in Serie A and Ligue 1 ever since then. Then after the end of second world war the tendency slowed down just to be retaken in the 1970s and 1980s. Serbs were ammong the first and most numerous foreigners in basically all major European leagues, and also ammong the first in places like Japan (Stojkovic), Mexico (Bora Milutinovic), first foreign goalkeeper in Premier League (Golac, Southampton 1978), in China, etc. So, see your mistakes now?
See the lists at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lists_of_expatriate_association_football_players
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Argentines who go to Chile or Mexico are always players without a level to go to Europe. Mediocre players or just above average. They go to those leagues because there they can be protagonists and earn more money. There is no other reason. Really good players go to Europe without stops. That is why in the Mexican or Chilean leagues players who in the Argentine league are no big deal can become big stars.
Any southamerican can destroy mexican league easily is a walk in the park
Awesome video
I actually know the book around the world in 80 days and have it
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This is the result of a bigger process. Globalisation.
Sebastian Saam Bruh globalisation doesnt mean global immigration its more of economy stuff... please don’t speak more bullshit
@Sebastian Saam global migration may be a feature of globalization but that is not what it is and secondly globalization is actually quite new in our time but was practiced in early forms such as the silk road.
Great video
People should not be so surprised that players are actually migrating to the USA. You can make all the jokes you want about American soccer and MLS, but that league has one stipulation that will make it very attractive: All MLS players are guaranteed to get paid on time, regardless of who they play for. No MLS club investor can get away with delaying payments or handing out IOUs like too many owners in other countries become guilty of. So maybe you won't make a ton of money playing association football in the States, but you at least have the security of knowing your check will always arrive on time.
Mostly go for better competion and salary. Modric cant play in Dinamo today and become a world class midfielder.
What article is the video using as source? Where can I find these lists :)?
Do a video about concacaf football
i know we should be in top 3 with all these argentinians in Mexico
7:51 Persiana (louver) Americana by Soda Stereo? Geat wink wink nudge nudge inside joke there! I wasn't expecting that.
It is Soda Stereo indeed. Well spotted!
Just a correction...
The map that you were showing, of Serbia, is inaccurate, as it included also Kosovo in it.
Have it corrected :)
Poor serbs
Sebastian Saam a neutral person would put dotted lines on the Kosovo-Serbia border to show it is disputed
@@gersigaming2868 Poor you Shippy ! You are not recognized state .
ISL could be great they just need to sign some big players to gain attraction .
@Sebastian Saam Bengaluru FC
@Sebastian Saam yes they has
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Football has become so tactical like Spain during they're reign 2008-2012 WC, UEFA CL the best modern period football is between 1998-2004 - England got a great squad that has won nothing no CL, no WC!!
CL?
I am a Portland Thorns fan. We do have a lot of international players, but World Cup after World Cup shows U.S. women dominate. That said, when a top Icelandic, German or Australian footballer wants to move here for twice the salary she can get at home, I am like "Hey honey! The weather's great and have you tried our local salmon?" Soccer city USA.
Well, our team captain is still Canadian I think, but Christine Sinclair is probably only a touch behind Marta as the most effective woman forward of all time. If she is even behind.
And the best woman's club probably in the world. ua-cam.com/video/Z2ns0h4YaN0/v-deo.html
@Sebastian Saam I recently checked, less international players than I initially thought. But significant. Team Captain Sinclair, Rasso, and a few others.
I don't think professional footballers are making the waiting lines at the NHS longer
@Sebastian Saam they make a great living to afford private doctors
Janga is playing in Switzerland on loan from Astana fc
North American leagues don’t have national requirements. All they ask is, Can you do it? Mind you, we play mostly different sports, and our leagues have different structures.
africa won 2018 world cup if you think about it
No, most oft them were born in france
South African viewers when he said 27th South Africa?
@Sebastian Saam we featured thats all. It's not that deep
I like how no one is going out of America lmao
Surprised that Africa wasn't mentioned at all, since every time I watch soccer (which is rarely) I see black players.
You really didn’t do your research on this Serbia thing, Serbia has these borders since 2008 politically and 2015 football-wise and they don’t have 7 million. Kosovo is now a country for UEFA
Well according to what you just said Serbia has undergone a border change in 2008, but the reporter says it’s borders are from 2006. If Kosovo is recognized by the world or not is not of matter because football recognizes it as a football nation and that’s what we are talking about.
Sebastian Saam I am not talking about the political point of view. Kosovo is a football nation since 2015-2016 and that’s when Serbia’s “border” was changed according to UEFA and FIFA. Mind you Great Britain is not a football nation, there are 4 football nations in the political Great Britain. We are talking about football here not about actual borders. Thanks
Also Most the big teams in Europe enjoy fanatic support across the world.
Great Video, you look like the Joker
lmao
It his German brother.
This comment
That was random.
Are you suggesting footballers migrate?
African footballers or European footballers?
he forgot that Africans to migrate
What about western African countries to France and Belgium?
Most of black people with name from Western African countries (Mendy , Sissokho, Sidibe...) you see in France are born in France and grown up in France.
Funny that they say the first non European is Mexico, the first non European is US, then Turkey and then Mexico. Get your facts right
LA LIGA ITALIANA Y LA ESPAÑOLA SON LOS DOS ÚNICAS LIGAS QUE CONTRATAN MUCHOS JUGADORES SUDAMERICANOS.
You should not be allowed to leave your country that you hold a passport to make the leagues fairer and that continental competition is fairer
It needs to be monitored or you'll end up with England with not as much English homegrown players given training and time trying to compete with the best of the world, but now that the FA changed rules, English players are thriving alot more in their England team international tournaments
Did somebody helped you or you figured it out on your own ???
You should make a video only for Africa.
Most European big clubs cook their numbers or have Arab oil sugardaddies behind them for their financing. Once that bubble bursts it will be a sight to behold.
Time to cancel the bosman rules as well that would make club and international football much more exciting.
Eros ramazzoti when talking about Italy having 16 foreigners on average.
Nice one
How about French footballers of Algerian and Malian ancestry?
Serbia was country before 2006
He said there current borders
@Sebastian Saam what Aleksa refers is the same that I explained you, it is your reaction in the video as being surprised for seing Serbia in 3rd in the list and suggesting Serbia has no tradition in having footballers abroad, when in fact Serbs, defined earlier as Yugoslavs, would be continuously on the top 5 of that list ever since 1980s. The tradition of Serbian expatriate footballers begins in the very begining of foreigners in club football in entire world. Serbs were ammong Yugoslavs that became first foreigners along Austrians, Czechoslovaks and Hungarians still in the 1930s. Serbs were common in major leagues in the 1970s and 1980s, but it is in the 1990s that they massivelly invade worldwide leagues. During 1990s in Spain and Portugal there were more clubs including at least one Serbian player than not. Mijatovic, Djukic, Jokanovic, Kovacevic, Djorovic, Nadj, Pantic, Paunovic, etc. Serie A the same, Mihailovic, Stankovic, Jugovic, Mirkovic, Bolic, Sakic, Lazetic, etc. Eredivisie with Vasovic, Kezman, even Mexico with Milutinovic, Brazil with Petkovic, Japan with Stojkovic, you name it. Not only players but coaches invaded all corners of the world Antic, Milutinovic, Rajevac, Boskov, Petkovic, etc. The trend continued ever since then because overall all Yugoslavs offered good quality/price relation. You failed there in missing Serbs have huge tradition as foreigners both as players and coaches. So for someone informed on the matter it shouldn´t be surprise at all, and should explain it much better than mentioning their presence in Bosnia since that is eactly a missleading idea.
money and opportunitys
Because clubs in Europe are better give more money,that is the reason , you got your answer
That should say "fewer and fewer natives".
talks about serbia plays bosnian band. KEK
You didn't go in to the why enough
@Sebastian Saam I don't know, that's what I was hoping to get from this video. But I know in Ireland right now, people are talking about the fact that there aren't many foreign players in our league, this is despite the fact that there is a lot of immigration generally. So whatever's happening, the dynamics of immigration are different for soccer than general immigration.
enjoyed
No borders at all
German Jeff Gordon
Why do footballers migrate? Really? More money and opportunities!
galatasaray besiktas fenerbahce and other turkish clubs have 007's in germany where ever they see a german born talented turk they GRABBBBBBBBBBBBB....
MLS actually pays more than almost all of the leagues except the top 5. Which proves MLS is a much better league than its FIFA ranking shows. I’m no MLS apologist. I hate MLS and am so glad the USMT is finally being drawn from Euro clubs and not the MLS. But it gets ranked like near the Lithuanian first league despite the fact that MLS pays so much more. It’s like sure, supposedly better players in supposedly better league just don’t want to go to the US to get paid more and would rather get paid less and live in Eastern Europe than get paid more and live in the country with the highest standard of living on Earth. Yeah no. The MLS is much better than its FIFA ranking. It’s payroll proves that. Players go where they can make the most money. And to a lesser extent live in a nicer place and face tougher competition and get more media exposure. But money comes in first...
MLS is ranked 20th in the league coefficient rankings, behind Greece yet they’re 7th in pay. Behind the 5 big Euro leagues and Brazil. Interestingly enough, the 6 leagues in front of them rank exactly the same in pay and in their coefficient. Which makes sense. The best players will go where they can make the most. Yet only the MLSs coefficient is so far behind their average pay. So obviously, the either the MLS is way under rated or players just prefer to make less and play in shitty countries...
MLS is around the Turkey League, Eridivisie, Liga MX range, better than the Scottish Premier except for Rangers and Celtic. Just follow the money. The top teams in the world pay the most money. Same with the top leagues. All the math is slightly thrown off by the existence of designated players in MLS but not so much as too bring the MLS from the 7th highest paying league to the 20th best. Again, all the other leagues in the world are ranked right around if not exactly what they pay. Only the MLS is the discrepancy so massive. It’s obvious anti American bias. Again, all this from someone who hates MLS...
And that Lithuanian first league comment wasn’t sarcasm. The MLS was ranked behind that league in the coefficients just a few years ago.
Pay doesnt equal quality, for many people fame also counts highly and moving to another european country near you with the same culture is more attractive then moving to the USA. You also need to consider the cost of living, 1mil a year in the USA may get you less then 500k in an eastern european country. There can even be more aspects like lower crimerate, better food, friends and family, being a european citizen gets you easy access to any other european country and club, ...
there should be no borders at all
Best talent from América to top europe leagues :
Brazil
Argentina
Uruguay
Colombia
Chile
Venezuela
Paraguay
Ecuador
Perú
Sorry Bolivia
Mls just buy old players that r at the end of their career
MLS teams get players from CONCACAF and South America.
@Sebastian Saam MLS will always he shit unless they implement relagations
It's a retirement league for European footballers and footballers who started off in Europe. No player in their prime from Europe go to the US.
Migrate for money, that's it. Dangle the cash carott and they will go
Lying what involve Hong Kong wit football when they don’t even have good league people play football for free there
Nationality should not determine anything I think. Teams should contain the players that they have raised in their team. There can be a limitation about that.
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This is just bs
It depend on how good their players r
And how good their league is
largest diasporas? Chinese 50mils
Dua Lipaaaaaaaaaa
Sebastian Saam reasonably well known
O que uma camisa do Fluminense faz no varal? Kkkk
Sebastian Saam That Cool ! I also watched the video made during the Copa America and enjoyed watching Flamengo's game. I'm a Flamengo fan and I frequent Maracanã regularly. Next Sunday we will have Flamengo x Fluminense.
@Sebastian Saam Lol. She spoke to you in Portuges and you replied in Spanish. Although they are very similar languages, they are not the same. I speak Spanish and can understand Portuges relatively easy.
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Este yankie tienen menos futbol que partido de tenis 🤣
What is up with Germans being such lefties? Also, why are you getting political talking about football jeez! So played out
Also Boris Johnson, just a bit condescending, but not surprised, it is the norm now, Lefties are just so much better as people, so virtuous haha
@Sebastian Saam Also, i shouldn't have said "Germans", meant Germans that I watch in media
Sh!+¥ Stuff no explanation about Nigeria or African or Asian migration patterns
@Sebastian Saam they most certainly are. Nigeria is one of the major exporters of footballers top 10 on every list including the CIES mentioned in this video. Nigeria has more players than Uruguay playing Abroad. That's just one example.