Russian spec ops guys don't like this gun because of it's unreliability, and as they say, they better even take an old Makarov or Stechkin in spite of it's weaker ammo
Non-spec ops guys don't like it either. It's cumbersome in its holster in comparison with Makarov, the mags are bitch to load, it is indeed quite unreliable (again in comparison with PM) and all the pointy and sharp features on the pistol's body do not make it handier.
I'd say that the most effective of contemporary Russian handguns is SPS (SR-1), its only downside is the cost of ammo - that's what hinders the spread of its use in the Russian Armed Forces.
the first models of MP-443 grach is actually really prone to jamming that's why many Russian special forces guys prefer APS Stechkin over the MP-443 but the gun was modified until now that it is much more reliable than the earlier models.
I definitely want one of those. They need to let the Russians sell those and the modernized AKs to the people in the USA. Larry Vickers looks ice cold shooting and has an awesome channel- who better than a former delta operator to talk about guns and gear, right? Dudes a legend.
Russians are able to own firearms, and soon laws will be implemented that will allow open carry. Get off your lazy ass and sign the paper work and go through the required safety training.
Sad about what? We don't need a life ammo handgun to protect our selves in the street, illegal guns in criminal hands are very rare here, even after many left after 90-es. How many countries in the world can say the same?
Quite high accuracy from this gun, at least in the dash. I shot from such, lethal piece, the truth return is too big, well, let's say, so the early samples were not the best, they had a lot of shortcomings About the current I can not say anything, because I did not shoot and did not see.
Just saw one of these in a videogame and caught the two position feed mag. Very neat. The FN Fiveseven is as well, but that cartridge is very small in diameter and less shocking to see two-position feed.
The first time I heard of this new Russian design pistol was in a 2005 firearm magazine that did an article history about the Makarov pistol title,"Farewell to the Makarov...Say Hello to the MP-443 Grach"
Another ignorance rave. Somehow Yarigin managed to design a vastly improved barrel tilt cam action. Up to date the smoothest cam was CZ type but it requires large travel space and the loop is the weak point of the design. Yarigin managed to completely unload cam stresses from the action which gives it great strength and smooth operation. The cut is a straight slit at a 45 degree angle. It does add to the high of the barrel mount, but eliminates travel gap. The problem is with complicated barrel geometry which requires multiple steps to cut properly. Initial production runs could not produce stable tolerances levels from one batch to another which forced poor fitting to slides. Secondary issue was similar manufacturing issue with dual position mag. Exact same issues were encountered with Gsh-18 mag which is also a dual position configuration. Both mags are hard to load towards the full capacity, but are inherently more reliable in feeding vs dual to single stack conversion. Gsh-18 has the strongest rotating barrel design, Yarigin the strongest tilt barrel, while StrikeOne is a total gimmick.
hey mate I know it's been a while but could I get any info on where you sourced this? I see references to the Yarigin being incredibly reliable but I also see accusations on the other end of the spectrum as well. I recently bought a Steel framed MP-446C so I am hoping I haven't somehow purchased a lemon.
Nigel Tegg Your Viking should be all good as long as you don't shoot high pressure +p+ through it, it's a factory limitation for a civilian market pistol. Only initial limited production runs had tolerances issues since manufacturing was not set up. I sourced from Russian blogs, this is one of them; k-a-r-d-e-n.livejournal.com/
That's good to hear, I spoke to the company and found out mines a 2010 model. The other thing they mentioned that I will confirm with the designers next week is they reckon the locking parts are warranted to 2 tsnd rounds and the barrel is in excess of 10 tsnd. I love Kardens blog, such a good insight into their gear but it sucks trying to navigate with google translate haha Cheers for the info
This pistol isn't rare. They export it all over the world as the 'Baikal Viking'. Maybe in the US yes, but not anywhere else. You can even find it in Australia.
i think there is only afew handguns with mags int he grip that have double feed magazines .. stechkin.. sdh-18 this gun and one recently made chinese pistol
Good Night Larry, You who had the weapon and some information nearby, how much does this weapon cost? In LATAM only Venezuela has it in its armed forces.
Могу сказать вам про этот пистолет, чего о нем мало говорят. По конструкции он неплохой. Я бы даже сказал хороший. Это что касается кинематики внутренних узлов. Но на него легли при создании две проблемы. Первая проблема в том, что его создавали люди, которые сами не стреляют. То есть как механизм который приспособлен для стрельбы этот пистолет не хуже других и даже получше некоторых. Но из-за того, что у нас оружие проектируют люди, которые сами не увлечены стрельбой. Не знают, как эта машинка живет в руках у стрелка, - это стало причиной откровенных ляпов по внешнему дизайну. Сейчас перечислять не буду. Там целый список. Кто в пистолетной стрельбе хотя бы пару лет прожил, чисто по внешнему виду навскидку вам скажет, где ошибки. То есть конструктора научили в соответствующем вузе, как сделать, чтобы из этого куска металла вылетали пули и гильзы. Но не объяснили, что этого знать недостаточно. Что этим изделием потом живые люди должны будут пользоваться. Которые видели что такое SigSauer, S&W, Colt. И они невольно сравнят ЭТО с иностранными образцами. И спросят. А что за дурень этот пистолет придумал? Вторая проблем, которая усугубила судьбу этого проекта - это состояние производственной базы на которой он производится. Металл используется некачественный. Что-то с термообработкой недодумали. Ось затворной задержки ломается, экстрактор выходит из строя. Сейчас только появилась возможность как-то доставать запчасти. Раньше было вообще проблема. То есть я считаю, что если провести внешний рестайлинг и производить его из качественных сплавов на точном оборудовании, то он подтянется к мировым образцам. Но это уже будет не совсем пистолет Ярыгина, а что-то другое.
Действительно стрелки это пистолет не хвалят, а история с его принятием навооружение в полиции и вовсе смахивает на откровенное вредительство - его соперником был "Бердыш" Стечкина, но... :-/ Вот здесь более полная информация от специалиста: ua-cam.com/video/hR2BarJRNzw/v-deo.html
Hmmm. I thought it looked fairly Beretta-ish on the surface, even down to the triggerguard. Is the lockwork similar? Based on comments, sounds like the dual position feed is questionable. Does it result in a wider grip? Or is it all handled by the shape of the breechblock? The Beretta has a fairlyhigh feed position that goes almost straight in, and we all know it works great. No doubt the Russians didn't straight copy it due to national pride. I'm surprised no one has made a locked breech 9x18- or have they? It would seem a natural for it, since it is so close to 380 ballistically. Maybe they should just buy some CZ-83's.......
Now it quite nice gun, cause it was modified many times. But at start it has so many disadvantages: unrepairable jams after 3rd shot, too uncomfortable grip, unqualitive mags, etc. So why most experienced russian operatives still not prefer him and use OC-27 "Berdish", PMM and regular "cops" using legendary legendary reliable PM. This was just my opinion. Vickers, i also want you to do review on OC-27 cause its really perfect weapon.
Quite high accuracy from this gun, at least in the dash. I shot from such, lethal piece, the truth return is too big, well, let's say, so the early samples were not the best, they had a lot of shortcomings About the current I can not say anything, because I did not shoot and did not see.
Srainles is "Grach", polymer is "Vityaz". I did have shoot with second one, i had a problem with stop-slide. Even my instructor could not to take off from stop-slide. Also, problem with magazine, because there two factories makes magazine's and they're not interchangeable. Didn't like him, unfortunely.
+Malacovics Even the only time I don't remember blinking was my time in the Infantry, but I was in combat focus. At home shooting here and there I still blink every now and then. I have been trying to get it to happen without conscious effort.
There is also a 9x21mm "Gyurza" version that holds 15 rounds in magazine, used by Spetsnaz, wich rivals with 357 sig in firepower and has armour piercing capability superior to the 7.62 Tokarev round. Vickers should one day test that version against Body Armor.
I have one like him, which is a viking baikal mp 446 C, which is very practical, effective and steadfast. It's a Russian-made pistol but compares the glock and HS 😉
Right! BUT that gun was originally built as a machine pistol that could be used as a sidearm if necessary. This PYa was purpose built as a sidearm. I have a VP70Z which is the civilian import model and it's actually a very accurate gun if you take the time to learn the trigger.
When I search "Beretta 92" or "M9" I find shit tons of videos, but when I search mp-443 I find barely anything, including a bunch of videogame clips about how russian weapons are trash, which I don't fully believe.
this gun is good and well made.. reliable.. ut i think some of the first samples provided to the russia military were defective.. ive neevr seen the proof of it as all the ones ive seen have been good..
FUCK. Larry, I want one :( I don't even know which is less possible: changes made with import bans or a US manufacturer making domestic copies. Either way I don't thinK I'll ever get to have one
I really wished Larry got his hands on GSH-18 pistol when he was in Russia.
That gun is so rare and I would like to hear his opinion on it
It’s rare as you say
1.Just saying. Nice to see my BF3 favourite Handgun!
10x better in bad company 2 though
This gun is beast tho! I has 25 kill with this gun!
Stands for Pop Yo Ass
Russian spec ops guys don't like this gun because of it's unreliability, and as they say, they better even take an old Makarov or Stechkin in spite of it's weaker ammo
Fnd the mags from one Grach dont work on the other one?
They actually prefer the GsH-18
It is more simple and more reliable and has the same Mag Cap, AP bullet capability, and a lighter profile
Non-spec ops guys don't like it either. It's cumbersome in its holster in comparison with Makarov, the mags are bitch to load, it is indeed quite unreliable (again in comparison with PM) and all the pointy and sharp features on the pistol's body do not make it handier.
I'd say that the most effective of contemporary Russian handguns is SPS (SR-1), its only downside is the cost of ammo - that's what hinders the spread of its use in the Russian Armed Forces.
Lurkerkun Гюрза 9х21?
The first man on a planet who managed to run through the whole 18 rounds in the mag without a jam
Weapon experienced lots of modifications, so now its quite reliable.
bull shit - the gun is fine in right hands
the first models of MP-443 grach is actually really prone to jamming that's why many Russian special forces guys prefer APS Stechkin over the MP-443 but the gun was modified until now that it is much more reliable than the earlier models.
Не ожидал тебя тут увидеть
О пластмассострелы-эксперты подъехали.
1. German Guns
2. Russian Style
3. 'Murica
Says "Here Is First Shot"
*Fire 18 Rounds
That last shot: He was totally in the zone!
I definitely want one of those. They need to let the Russians sell those and the modernized AKs to the people in the USA. Larry Vickers looks ice cold shooting and has an awesome channel- who better than a former delta operator to talk about guns and gear, right? Dudes a legend.
We have the most badass weaponry in the world, but general population aren't allowed to carry even the pistol
Always make me sad
agreed
Russians are able to own firearms, and soon laws will be implemented that will allow open carry.
Get off your lazy ass and sign the paper work and go through the required safety training.
Sad about what? We don't need a life ammo handgun to protect our selves in the street, illegal guns in criminal hands are very rare here, even after many left after 90-es. How many countries in the world can say the same?
Если увидишь человека с ножом, пистолет самое то. Боевой.
@@ПолковникЗайцын Germany
I would buy one if they became available through Kalashnikov USA or some other importer... HINT HINT
Kalashnikov USA isn't an importer, it's a company that produces Russian inspired weapons, it even has no ties with original Kalashnikov concern.
Русский Котэ or so they claim.
Quite high accuracy from this gun, at least in the dash.
I shot from such, lethal piece, the truth return is too big, well, let's say, so the early samples were not the best, they had a lot of shortcomings About the current I can not say anything, because I did not shoot and did not see.
Russian made weapons are embargoed in the US .
Just saw one of these in a videogame and caught the two position feed mag. Very neat. The FN Fiveseven is as well, but that cartridge is very small in diameter and less shocking to see two-position feed.
The Steyr GB had a similar mag.
Thank you for these videos. I use this pistol on battlefield 4 and never seen a video of it firing.
The first time I heard of this new Russian design pistol was in a 2005 firearm magazine that did an article history about the Makarov pistol title,"Farewell to the Makarov...Say Hello to the MP-443 Grach"
Well that's just badass. Thanks Larry. I hope one day a lot of the Russian firearms you feature will be available here in the U.S. Soon.
America : Pew Pew Pew
Russia : Pya Pya Pya
Finally an MP-443 video! Thx!
Larry thank you for your service and sacrifice. Also thank you for all the sweet rare guns you bring to us. Much appreciated.
Matimi0's favourite pistol
Vasil Zahariev Matt is trash now. Only plays one game
I barely even got a look at the gun itself, it's like seeing a gun but not seeing a gun. Nice effort tho
Just Google it. Wikipedia has a great description. Beautiful gun. Trying to track one down in the united states right now. I'd love to have it
Another ignorance rave.
Somehow Yarigin managed to design a vastly improved barrel tilt cam action. Up to date the smoothest cam was CZ type but it requires large travel space and the loop is the weak point of the design. Yarigin managed to completely unload cam stresses from the action which gives it great strength and smooth operation. The cut is a straight slit at a 45 degree angle. It does add to the high of the barrel mount, but eliminates travel gap.
The problem is with complicated barrel geometry which requires multiple steps to cut properly. Initial production runs could not produce stable tolerances levels from one batch to another which forced poor fitting to slides. Secondary issue was similar manufacturing issue with dual position mag. Exact same issues were encountered with Gsh-18 mag which is also a dual position configuration. Both mags are hard to load towards the full capacity, but are inherently more reliable in feeding vs dual to single stack conversion.
Gsh-18 has the strongest rotating barrel design, Yarigin the strongest tilt barrel, while StrikeOne is a total gimmick.
hey mate I know it's been a while but could I get any info on where you sourced this? I see references to the Yarigin being incredibly reliable but I also see accusations on the other end of the spectrum as well. I recently bought a Steel framed MP-446C so I am hoping I haven't somehow purchased a lemon.
Nigel Tegg
Your Viking should be all good as long as you don't shoot high pressure +p+ through it, it's a factory limitation for a civilian market pistol.
Only initial limited production runs had tolerances issues since manufacturing was not set up.
I sourced from Russian blogs, this is one of them;
k-a-r-d-e-n.livejournal.com/
That's good to hear, I spoke to the company and found out mines a 2010 model. The other thing they mentioned that I will confirm with the designers next week is they reckon the locking parts are warranted to 2 tsnd rounds and the barrel is in excess of 10 tsnd.
I love Kardens blog, such a good insight into their gear but it sucks trying to navigate with google translate haha
Cheers for the info
Nigel Tegg
Any time mate!
Where did you get your Viking from?
I'd love to get my hands on a Viking, but damn are they impossible to find.
18 in the mag. 1 in the chamber. Who needs extra mags!!? 🤷♂️
This pistol isn't rare. They export it all over the world as the 'Baikal Viking'. Maybe in the US yes, but not anywhere else. You can even find it in Australia.
this gun is absolutely gorgeous something and I would actually love to have him my collection
Very nice sir thank u for all the awsome vids
Rip Larry.
the GSh-18 also uses the dual position feed... it's quite popular in russian designs.
i think there is only afew handguns with mags int he grip that have double feed magazines .. stechkin.. sdh-18 this gun and one recently made chinese pistol
Dang it LAV, how are you not blinking during recoil?!! Better question: how do I stop blinking during recoil?
I like to call it the Gopnik Glock, solely because of the same magazine capacity and caliber.
It would be cool to see Serdyukov SPS Gyurza pistol in your video
It'd be really cool to have a well-made airsoft version of the MP-443 for a Russian loadout.
It's been a while... But we're finally getting one from a company called Raptor based in Taiwan!
Super cool dude, thanks for letting me know.
I'd never see the MP-443.... I do own a MP-446 Viking. it looks very similar to it
Viking is a civilian model of MP-443.
How about a video of that PL-14 Kalashnikov Concern unveiled a while back?
Good Night Larry, You who had the weapon and some information nearby, how much does this weapon cost? In LATAM only Venezuela has it in its armed forces.
Looks even bigger than the 92FS.
Doesn't the HK VP70 and FN57 have dual feed?
The Steyr GB pistol also has dual position feed magazines
Yep.
Also APS Stetchkin... its still rare though.
Rare gun in my country = SIG X6 Supermatch. Great video cheers
will you guys review and show the Stetchkin pistol???
Могу сказать вам про этот пистолет, чего о нем мало говорят. По конструкции он неплохой. Я бы даже сказал хороший. Это что касается кинематики внутренних узлов.
Но на него легли при создании две проблемы. Первая проблема в том, что его создавали люди, которые сами не стреляют.
То есть как механизм который приспособлен для стрельбы этот пистолет не хуже других и даже получше некоторых.
Но из-за того, что у нас оружие проектируют люди, которые сами не увлечены стрельбой. Не знают, как эта машинка живет в руках у стрелка, - это стало причиной откровенных ляпов по внешнему дизайну. Сейчас перечислять не буду. Там целый список. Кто в пистолетной стрельбе хотя бы пару лет прожил, чисто по внешнему виду навскидку вам скажет, где ошибки. То есть конструктора научили в соответствующем вузе, как сделать, чтобы из этого куска металла вылетали пули и гильзы. Но не объяснили, что этого знать недостаточно. Что этим изделием потом живые люди должны будут пользоваться. Которые видели что такое SigSauer, S&W, Colt. И они невольно сравнят ЭТО с иностранными образцами. И спросят. А что за дурень этот пистолет придумал?
Вторая проблем, которая усугубила судьбу этого проекта - это состояние производственной базы на которой он производится. Металл используется некачественный. Что-то с термообработкой недодумали. Ось затворной задержки ломается, экстрактор выходит из строя.
Сейчас только появилась возможность как-то доставать запчасти. Раньше было вообще проблема.
То есть я считаю, что если провести внешний рестайлинг и производить его из качественных сплавов на точном оборудовании, то он подтянется к мировым образцам.
Но это уже будет не совсем пистолет Ярыгина, а что-то другое.
Действительно стрелки это пистолет не хвалят, а история с его принятием навооружение в полиции и вовсе смахивает на откровенное вредительство - его соперником был "Бердыш" Стечкина, но... :-/ Вот здесь более полная информация от специалиста: ua-cam.com/video/hR2BarJRNzw/v-deo.html
Stechkin, VP70, GB80, GSh18 and Chinese CF98. If the gun is wide, why not to use?
Man I wanted to see this gun for a long time it is a good pistol.
Will you do a full review of this pistol and compare it with the civilian model?
Love and respect for u sir I m ur big fan ..one of most experienced person u r sir lot of respect from pakistan
The Chinese service pistol uses a magazine like this... just thought you should know.
Sir, Do a Review on the SAR 21 (Singapore's Assault Rifle 21st century).. Thanks, i really enjoy ur videos
Tarkov surprisingly got everything right
that slow mo sound effect 1:00 i jizzed
it needs a decocker with the safety, i think its cosmetically slightly improved since this film
Hmmm. I thought it looked fairly Beretta-ish on the surface, even down to the triggerguard. Is the lockwork similar? Based on comments, sounds like the dual position feed is questionable. Does it result in a wider grip? Or is it all handled by the shape of the breechblock? The Beretta has a fairlyhigh feed position that goes almost straight in, and we all know it works great. No doubt the Russians didn't straight copy it due to national pride. I'm surprised no one has made a locked breech 9x18- or have they? It would seem a natural for it, since it is so close to 380 ballistically. Maybe they should just buy some CZ-83's.......
Hey, Larry
were those sights raised so that it can be equipped with a can? If so... can you do the a review of it with a can on it?
thanks
They really need to make it that you can add a Laser Sight and suppressor to it
Still searching for one in the U.S. 5 years still none found.
When did you have your eyelids removed Larry? didn't see ya blink once when firing.
Looks like the HK VP70 pistol have the same type of magazine.
SR-1 MP and GSh-18 - the best.
Now it quite nice gun, cause it was modified many times. But at start it has so many disadvantages: unrepairable jams after 3rd shot, too uncomfortable grip, unqualitive mags, etc. So why most experienced russian operatives still not prefer him and use OC-27 "Berdish", PMM and regular "cops" using legendary legendary reliable PM. This was just my opinion. Vickers, i also want you to do review on OC-27 cause its really perfect weapon.
GSH18 next?
I would like to see an H&K G3 :)
Alex St but these are his russia videos
+nejinaji I also want to see them too
It's Tula pistol, not Izhevsk. Another manufacturer. So far, this videos were with IzhMash production
The H&K VP70/VP70Z and FN Five-seveN use similar styled Double stack magazines.
Странно, что он не заклинил...Надеюсь, что ему дадут протестировать лучший пистолет на данный момент - "Бердыш".
Чего там странного, пистолет второй десяток лет дорабатывают. Да и большинство задержек из-за плохого боеприпаса происходит.
YarikLP потому что у американцев хорошие патроны
Quite high accuracy from this gun, at least in the dash.
I shot from such, lethal piece, the truth return is too big, well, let's say, so the early samples were not the best, they had a lot of shortcomings About the current I can not say anything, because I did not shoot and did not see.
The steel framed version (446?) is designed to fire special +P+ 9mm steel core, AP ammo. (Apparently)
Srainles is "Grach", polymer is "Vityaz". I did have shoot with second one, i had a problem with stop-slide. Even my instructor could not to take off from stop-slide. Also, problem with magazine, because there two factories makes magazine's and they're not interchangeable. Didn't like him, unfortunely.
Would you take the Ya or the Arsenal? I have the Arsenal, it is absolutely awesome. I would move to Russia just for their weapon designs!
Mp443 now have an airsoftversion with worse comment.
Accurate? How did you train yourself to not blink after the shot. Even after 10 years of shooting, I still blink.
Mindstrengh
Larry has more military and combat experience than Chuck Norris, Schwarzenegger and Stallone in their movies combined.
He was a Delta or something. I guess he isn't just a gun fan or a hobby shooter as most of us.
+Malacovics Even the only time I don't remember blinking was my time in the Infantry, but I was in combat focus. At home shooting here and there I still blink every now and then. I have been trying to get it to happen without conscious effort.
Ackevor I'm a totally inexperienced shooter but I blinked all the time too.
Larry are you right hand left eye dominant?
There is also a 9x21mm "Gyurza" version that holds 15 rounds in magazine, used by Spetsnaz, wich rivals with 357 sig in firepower and has armour piercing capability superior to the 7.62 Tokarev round. Vickers should one day test that version against Body Armor.
🇷🇺💪
Can't wait on a PL-14 video
It's already out on the channel.
Андрей Герман holy cow, missed that one. Thanks!
Herrdesrings
No problem)
*My Fav Pistol in BF3 & BF4*
Matimi0's handgun of choice! ;)
I have one like him, which is a viking baikal mp 446 C, which is very practical, effective and steadfast. It's a Russian-made pistol but compares the glock and HS 😉
When you day HS do you mean HS-2000?
Fantastic!!
Ярыгин джон иган. Поржал.
Pls make russian sub in all video
Есть чувак, который дублирует эти видосы на русский, набери "Vickers Tactical на русском"
the vp70 was also double stack double feed
Right! BUT that gun was originally built as a machine pistol that could be used as a sidearm if necessary. This PYa was purpose built as a sidearm.
I have a VP70Z which is the civilian import model and it's actually a very accurate gun if you take the time to learn the trigger.
Is it as bad as everyone says you know staple gun type trigger
Yeah it's exactly like a staple gun. It can be learned though and the gun is capable of pretty good accuracy.
What would be the purpose of dual position feed on a handgun?
more bullets in the magazine
looks like the old Browning BDA
I love this gun
What are you doing here?
No rail? I wonder if Russia has its own proprietary rail system.
It's a standart army service pistol, special forces use handguns with rails
Is this abaikal viking mp 446 or not
Viking is a civilian version of this pistol
Stephany Locks
NATO 9mm is being used a lot in Russia
The HK VP70 has a dual feed magazine
what is the diff betw this model and MP-446?
looks pretty cool
Это не пистолет, а позорище российской оружейной промышленности.
Точнее производства, первые ревизии ПЯ пошли плохие чисто из за отвратной сборки, уже последующие ревизии шли нормальные.
начинаю смотреть. когда он заклинит?
DA/SA but no decocker? Might as well be SAO.
That's how I look at it. Like the CZ-75 with the safety, I'd rather treat it as a SAO.
Shout out to the Ukrainians watching this video after picking one up off a dead Russian as a war trophy.
beretta apx striker pistol review pleeeeeeeeeeeaaaase!!!
Best looks easy to control
It doesnt have a rail.
э, подстава какая то. у него даже ан-94 клинил, почему 443 внезапно начал нормально работать?
Пистолет хреновенький, глок лучше, и наши спецназовцы это понимают
civilian import model?
Yes, it's called "Viking"
The C96 is dual feed
When I search "Beretta 92" or "M9" I find shit tons of videos, but when I search mp-443 I find barely anything, including a bunch of videogame clips about how russian weapons are trash, which I don't fully believe.
this gun is good and well made.. reliable.. ut i think some of the first samples provided to the russia military were defective.. ive neevr seen the proof of it as all the ones ive seen have been good..
FUCK. Larry, I want one :(
I don't even know which is less possible: changes made with import bans or a US manufacturer making domestic copies. Either way I don't thinK I'll ever get to have one