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Bonus: A Conversation About Tiger King and Rural America | BEHIND THE BASTARDS
Robert is joined by Billy Wayne Davis for a bonus episode inspired by the Netflix series, Tiger King.
Original Air Date: April 13, 2020
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This episode is a good example of why when libertarians say they “just wanna be left alone” you really gotta follow it up with a “to do what?”
Oh the answers is almost always "to be freaks and do things that would be criminalized in any remotely civilized society"
There was a very visceral connection I had to that moment when you realize that the person who is in charge of your fate and safety for the immediate future is clearly operating on some other level of reality than you are and that sinking feeling of understanding that you're going to have to keep engaging with that person until you're no longer in that position.
"I think they're leaving out the meth part" ohhhh now the American south makes total sense...
What else are you gonna do? Tipping cows is only fun so many times 🤷🏼♀️
@@SesshyLover777 Give meth to the cows obviously
"And that is why basically everywhere in Alaska you're allowed to care a gigantic handgun if you want."
"Yes, and you can be a little drunk. That's the rule." As an Alaskan I can confirm this is accurate 😂
I'd take an episode of just Robert and Billy taking turns saying "There's rural, and then there's ____"
RRal
Additional point to rural communities and the police; you have to be at least a town to have a police station. If you're in a township, an area with less than 1000 people that gets lumped in to the nearest city on your postal address, you don't have a police force... Which means the Sherriff of your surrounding towns is the only person qualified to respond to a call.
Sherrif is an elected position. There are no required qualifications in law, criminal defense, justice, or otherwise.
Due to elected officals dealing with these places and their needs, wildly inconsistent outcomes result. No one trusts an inconsistent authority to be there when you NEED them, like in the case of a murder where an investigation needs to be carried out for the safety and security of the community.
Other Sherrifs will, instead of ignoring a situation, just arrest someone to put it to bed because arrests look good when re election comes up, and people in the township don't have a say on the ballot you'll be appearing on because that's a city election for city residents.
So... Yeah, no one out in the country calls for help because the help either
- Ignores them
- shows up and does their job poorly
- shows up and arrests an innocent person before declaring the whole thing done
- shows up, chews out some people, harasses some others, and goes home without doing their job
There's no trust because no trust has been earned.
I used to kick it with a dude who had a baby gator named Boots on his compound. He was so sad when the feds took his gator and briefly incarcerated him for a variety of his criminal enterprises.
Good times!
Billy Wayne Davis is just great as a guest. Also a lot of things about Robert are starting to make sense with this episode
41:26 I think a lot of people forget that violent action is expression, is communication. It is the nessesary force to back up the statement 'Keep your distance or I will end you.' Bears express this when they stand up and tower over a possible threat, geese express it by hissing, ect. And humans, with our highly adaptive mouthparts, can mimick these behaviors to get our message across in the appropriate language... But when that fails, as we've all run face first into the language barrier at least once in our lives, one must be READY ( i stress, READY, not fucking eager jesus h ) to enforce NO, YOU MAY NOT HURT ME WITHOUT CONSEQUENCES.
bullets are just nature's way of telling predators to leave the humans alone.
and prior to bullets, throughout the animal world it was once well known, "if you fuck with the weird hairless apes, you get the opposable thumbs."
25:27 theres Rural and then there's 'the nearest gas station is an hour away, and the nearest grocery is across a state line'
My cousin had a wolf. The wolf was really nice to me. And the thing is they only lived about 30 mins away from KC.
Cool guy alert
god... the amount of family members I know that owned dogs that they had no reason to other than "I like this kind of dog" is unreal.. brother, whom lives in an apartment at most had a 180lb st bernard that eventually had bum hips and passed away after two years of being stoned for most of the time. Dad had a sheep-dog... the kind that should be running thousands of meters a day herding sheep for a living but now.. they tied it up out back on a pully system that let it run around a 20m by 30m backyard... that one died of cancer. My sister has also owned multiple dogs, abandoned one for nearly two years only to get it back... it eventually developed a massive separation anxiety disorder and had to be medicated until it passed away several years later. All this because she got the dog, decided she wanted to move away for school leaving it with my dad and brother and then wanted it back when she moved back to town...
Long story short.. do not own a dog unless you have the proper place to keep it, are willing to cater to its actual (not perceived) needs and realize that while they are domesticated.. many are not "pets" in the sense that you can pick and choose how you want to raise them and not expect horrible outcomes.
I'm originally from the South and have lived there fairly recently. This is definitely not some sort of fairytale drama, this was a Tuesday.
19:08 okay maybe this is the big difference between the north and the south because Minnesota is Deer, Elk, and Moose hunting country. And if you want yourself a hunting lisence, you must pass a basic gun safety test. Basic shit such as pointing your gun at the ground until you're ready to aim, NEVER pointing your gun at something you don't intend to kill, keeping the safety on until aiming, and trigger discipline where YOU DO NOT put your finger on the trigger until you're ready to take a shot.
In fall, small children are gifted bright orange clothing so hunting accidents are less likely while kids explore the woods that's all over the place between houses and neighborhoods.
I still have my florecent orange hoodie my father gave to me when I was 13, and I still wear it every fall despite moving to a new state because it's a safety habit. It was part of being responsible within my community of hunters and farmers.
The idea that you'd casually fire a gun in the general direction of a person, much less their FEET because if you are a farmer a foot injury will fuck up the rest of your life, boggles my brain.
Guns aren't toys. That isn't okay.
Okay, the bit about 36 minutes in about the man who owned a nurse shark and an iguana... did you meet my dad?
I joke, but the man literally did own a small shark at one point before I was born, and then later owned a large, foul tempered iguana that I was simultaneously fascinated by and terrified of as a kid that sometimes he'd just let roam around his house freely.
He also briefly owned venomous lionfish later in my life. Thankfully he hasn't had the time and energy to try for exotic animals in recent years, but he does still have a barely set up terrarium from when he wanted to get a snake or bearded dragon recently (more reasonable pets at least.)
Last year, my dad was driving in southern OK or norther TX, don't remember which, but a bullet shattered his windshield. It was only lucky that it went through the passenger side of it rather than the driver's side.
Does your dad look like a revenooer?
3:49 hes right that the tiger truck stop no longer has their tiger. I'm pretty sure they tried replacing Tony with a camel, idk what happened with the camel but its no longer there (I mean sticking a desert animal in a swamp couldn't have been a great idea to begin with). A few weeks ago, I stopped by to see what they managed to wrangle in their cages & the good news is that they've replaced their exhibit with a parking lot. NGL, somewhere in my nostalgia center, is a teensy bit of sadness that its gone. But the whole point of this is a few exits east of the truck stop is a glorious billboard on i10 throwing shade at LSU saying that Tony had a lifespan longer than _any_ Mike. I honestly wish I would have spotted it quicker because I definitely would have snapped a picture because the salt & shade thrown was 🤌
Actually, of all the exotic animals it's irresponsible to own, camels are some of the least! Not encouraging it, but they're incredibly hardy, deal well with very cold, and very hot enviors, can handle not being fed/water properly much better. And they'll get ornery and mean but they're less likely to kill you then a horse. More likely to beat the shit out of you tho.
I'm from Norman (still here) and I'm an hour from where Joe's "zoo" was. Always love turning this episode on when I need a pick me up 🤭
Grew up in Michigan and our family knew a rich guy that lived in the middle of nowhere. He had ALL THE GUNS including two cannons and a mile long sighted gun range. The house on his property had a room that was wall to wall ceiling to floor stuffed deer heads. Growing up I got to sleep in there.
I genuinely thought I was a townie up until this point. My parents met because my dad grew pot in the redwoods and sold it to my mom's biker gang. I'm from nowhere.
What a romantic story, damn
If you live out in the country long enough you get to know that one road that no one smart drives down. You may not know why, and you don't want to know.
A lot of what you guys were saying about the difference between merely rural and "backwoods" so to speak makes a lot of things make more sense to me (as an Australian). I visited rural Texas (and rural Oregon at a later time) and found rural Texas to be so highly populous that it shocked me. Out here when you're talking rural you're talking about places where (like where my best friend grew up) the population of the town is 8 when the bartender is in town for the weekend. And I really didn't quite understand the gulf of difference in culture. But knowing that I was likely just seeing the first layer makes it all make so much more sense.
This needs to be a yearly tradition
Hearing your conversation about being heavy handed towards pet animals is so relatable. My family got horses and one of them very much wants to be the leader. So if you are soft with him he will bother you all day when you're working him. But if you put the foot down early, don't hurt him but he stiff with him and don't give him an inch for the first 30min, he will know you're not messing about and he will follow you and listen to your commands so its safe for you and him plus he doesn't spend all his energy trying to disrupt you.
A friend of mine is a reporter in Florida and has somehow (bad) lucked her way into being emailed any time that Carol Baskin feels someone's being mean to her.
I loved this episode and all the talk about the unique traditions of the south. I haven't laughed so hard in a long time.
I live in North Carolina, so the outer cusp of the "Deep South". Not much goes on in the state, but we're close enough to the others to hear about it, and be a potential flight risk location?
So yeah anyway, pretty much everything discussed today is about 75% accurate OR higher, correlating directly with how high the involved parties are.
Civets are actually giant weasels.
I assume he means a Savannah, which is a normal cat bred with a serval
in northwest Indiana, we had a tattoo shop owner weirdo guy who had a tiger
37:02 So a interesting aspect of Napoleon Dynamite is that it is located in Preston, Idaho which is south (about an 45 minute to an hour drive) of the town of Lava Hot Springs. The latter is where the Ligertown incident occured in 1995 where ligers, tigers, and wolves were able to escape a private owners compound.
So in the movie it would make sense that people in the school likely learned what a liger was. At least with the older teens as the escape happened when they were kids.
"Tiger junkies"? _Is that like krokodil??_
Robert just realizing he wants to be the tiger king.
Having lived in Pahrump for over a decade, the cat lady he's talking about is nowhere close to the weirdest that place has to offer.
This is THE funniest shit I have ever heard in my life.
Aside from the one with the child bride, yeah. Whatever the exact circumstances I don't fancy her situation is a good one.
The meat story is so good.
You never fully appreciate just how far from town you are until you hear the words "Are you proud to be a white man?"
Sometimes you don’t have to leave town to hear that.
@@mkvenner2 Well, "town" is really more of a metaphor for some safe way out of a f*****-up situation. Last time it happened to me, my town was the good fortune for most of the....hmm "short-haired gentlemen" in the room to become distracted by John Bonham's drum solo in The Song Remains the Same that was playing on the TV.
@@mkvenner2 I lived just outside Prescott, Arizona for a while. I got: "Are you proud to be white??", gratuitous pamphlets about the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, some kooky thing about "Saturday law", etc., many assurances that there's a big computer running everything or at least the New World Order (who's running the computer, why da jooz, of course), all the usual small town Nazi shit. One of the local business owners was a full-on Nazi. Another guy was a gun-runner - he was actually pretty cool although unlike so many others he didn't wear his politics on his sleeve. Rural areas are basically insane.
Oh yeah, biggest difference is how much danger you're in when you hear that. Big city, and there's plenty of excuses and escape routes and people to keep'm in check. Out in the boondocks where it's just you, a tiger or two, this guy and his thirty seven different stabbers for fifty miles? Best tred lightly.@@mkvenner2
I'm ignorant, what is the implication behind "the one very specific thing that guy had to do to get banned from South Africa?"
Reasons someone may have an animal that hates:
- The alternate is death for the animal (as cannot be released due to invasive species)
- breeding to create captive breed populations to reduce poaching from the wild
- Cool to look at it/keep just not interact with
Anyhow, fascinating conversation
I live in Ohio. The only reason we don't have crazy people owning a fuck load of big cats anymore is because a dude at one point released all of his tigers, lions, bears, and wolves and then offed himself because he was in a bunch of debt, leaving 50 massive predators that law enforcement had to hunt down and kill. This was in 2011...
Apparently, this is referenced in the first episode of Tiger King. I haven't actually watched the show though.
I grew up in rural Minnesota, and Tiger King is the worst kind of animal keeping behavior you see; people who have land and decide that they can do whatever they want to, with, and on that land-- no matter how stupid or ill advised. If you challenge them, they'll INSIST that their care for their animals is correct and You Just Don't Know Them Like I Do, and then insist that its their right to do the thing no matter how horribly they're going about it.
Rural communities do not trust the police to do anything but fuck over everyone involved. The most the police are trusted to do is report fires to the fire department, and search the school when bomb threats get called in ( my schools had 3 threats that required Evac and search while I was going there, where we would be shipped to another school in the district while ours was considered a danger zone. We wouldn't DO anything there, just sit in the gym and wait for the all clear ). Point is, no body is gonna call the authorities because nobody TRUSTS any authority to resolve anything, just fuck it up for EVERYONE who tried to do the right thing and most likely let the asshole continue being an asshole.
It's the same logic perscribed for dealing with a bully; no one likes a tattle tale so just shut up and let them do it.
And people wonder why I've got anger issues x.x
So on the gun bit, this is why I NEVER flip people off in Oklahoma traffic. There are road rage shootings often enough so that I just yell 😅
There was a gas station in Kentucky with a pet monkey in a cage…. Near rough river somewhere
I wonder how many other people clicked on this in curiosity of how rural Americans relate to the WW2 Königstiger.
Having now realized my mistake, I may have just watched a few too many historical documentaries and not enough reality TV. Though the way The History Channel went, I should more readily expect the latter than the former when tuning in.
Holy crap,
What a story.
I like this episode, the southernness of tiger king was immediately recognizable to me. also on the Casual violence among animals in rural areas many people dont really have an understanding of animals, they think they aren't dangerous and wouldn't dare to harm a human or (I the case of their pets) a smaller animal. I like pets but this weird way of viewing animals is really annoying to me. Like these people get angry if they hear about a rural village in India killing a man eating tiger
I don't know if I'd be angry about it, but I'd be perplexed why eating a tiger would cause a village to kill a man for doing so.
Ah, wait, I think I see what you meant here.
Good comments on violence as a means of communication!
Incidentaly war as communication is a common view in todays acedemia.
Just because theyre animals doesnt mean kicking them is ok. The way to earn a cats trust is not with fear but with food and play. But also dont fk with tigers and lions they are super dangerous and belong in the wild. Cheetahs are cool though. Dont think theyve ever killed anybody.
Well, cheetahs are nervous wrecks, like to the point they need emotional support dogs to prevent miscarriages.
@VayaKahvi agreed. I saw a cheetah in a zoo with one of those dogs. Shy cheetah and confident golden retriever is an absolutely adorable combination. Cheetahs are my favorite big cat. Definitely nervous though, poor cats have anxiety.
@@normalusernameiguess1516funnily enough cheetahs arnt actually big cats since they can't roar. But they can purr
ALSO CHEETAS ARE ADORABLE, AND SO FRAGILE AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE POOR WEE THINGS HAVE EXISTED FOR SO LONG. Like, sure claws and ambush predators, but so many of them take fatal injuries from TRIPPING. They're like carnivorous dodo's.
Jeez, these people have lived fascinating lives and their probably not even 40 yet.
Codeine syrup and DXM syrup are two different things. Surprised that Robert got them confused.
Remember when people had, like emus?
I don't even know if Robert looks at this channel, but: I challenge you to a cult-off.
I can train a dog! HEHEHE I feel dangerous now, thanks! :) HEHEHEHEHEHEHE
This is the wildest conversation I’ve ever listened to
I could tell meth was involved too! I've been working with people with addiction for almost two decades.
Oh, i disagree. You *can* stop people like the tiger king and carol baskins. As a society, or as an individual. They can do what they do because they're allowed to
I've seen cat hunters. They don't hunt shit. Dogs do all the work.
(Mumbling)
“We can never go back to Arizona!”
When people have too much space, they feel no responsibility, and so they completely lose track of reality as if there are only a million people left on the planet.