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Is BUYING CHINESE Worth The Savings??
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- Опубліковано 12 лип 2024
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After owning two smaller Chinese excavators I realized the value of having one on the property. I was in need of something just a little bit larger so I decided to purchase the Bobcat e35 r2 series. What a difference the Bobat is vs the other. Very smooth, fit and finish is perfect, and I have a dealer with full time mechanic if needed only 30 minutes away. I will have all kinds of content using this machine around the property. There will be more of these videos to come, so make sure you subscribe so you can follow along. Thanks for watching!
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The reach, or lack of, is the biggest issue I have with my (not blue) 1.5T unit. Reach also translates to dumping height and I need to go over a electric fence line to get downed trees to the fire pit but it just barely does it. Mine is also has single speed drive motors. Had I waited 2 years I could have gotten an upgraded unit with more reach and 2 speed drive and 4 HP more, still without needing DEF. The price of this new Bobcat is more than I have spent on all the vehicles, and repairs to them, combined in the last 45 years.
“Juss look-at-it..!”
Your video comparison saved me from making a bad choice. I am a week away from making a what it seems like a terrible decision and trying to re-sell an expensive off “brand” where I live -Ohio- would probably never happen.
It seems well worth the extra cash to own a brand name.
Bobcat, here I come!!
If you can float it, its worth it in my opinion
Good video Kyle! I have many hours on an E35 and is a fantastic machine.
Running any piece of equipment can be mastered by experienced. I have a fantastic job and could afford an expensive machine (MACHINE!) but choose to buy less expensive stuff. Reliability is a huge factor when it comes to purchasing. Over the years I’ve learned that no matter how much you spend there is always a lemon. So I choose the cheaper option and if need be I can toss it if it’s a catastrophe. That option is not for everyone either. Some people buy the reliability because they don’t have time to deal with breakdowns. Every decision is made based on individual needs. I got sick of using a shovel and purchased a black RH14😉 and I’m really enjoying it! Definitely might be upgrading soon though….
I can't believe how smooth the controls are on my Bobcat E35. For this being my first ever excavator, I feel like I am controlling it well. The cab is an absolute must for me down here in Florida. Between the bugs, humidity and heat, I'm happy with my purchase. Lastly, parts and a good local dealer is worth so much. Enjoy that new machine!
Agreed! They shouldnt even sell open station in Florida.
I have hit a yellow jackets nest while in my e35 and the cab definitely saved my butt.
@@Chris-bn5cv same here but in my John Deere 4066r tractor. It was an unnerving feeling watching them bounce off the glass. But at the same time I was thrilled that I spent the extra money for a cab.
@@TKCL haha right! I got paranoid and shut the vents.
You don't even sound excited about the Bobcat...😂. For YT purposes I noticed your audio is much better in the cab of the Bobcat. The dealer network is worth the extra cost for sure. Resale will be easy if you ever want to upgrade again.
I slept in the Bobcat last night.
@SpicerDesignsLLC I would say "haha" but that may not be a joke...
I just bought my first big boy toy (machine) a Tym 574. Might need to start a UA-cam channel to help pay for it. lol.
UA-cam doesnt pay much
11:22 Please be careful around tree branches. If a tree branch gets caught in your hydraulics, it can end up pinching and bursting your hydraulic hose causing unnecessary downtime and expense. Some operators use a tree trimmer to cut down branches that might be in their way, to avoid this.
Great explanation. I definitely agree that there are many benefits to the Bobcat vs the Chinese machines. I have found the same thing with my Takeuchi - better quality and dealer network support.
You been using that thing or what? Should be dry enough now right
I've kind of noticed, just in the research that I've done, it seems as if the value of the no names vs the names seems to get a whole lot closer together as you get into the larger machines.
@@dustinbotten9596 it does. I think a lot of that has to do with shipping them over. They can only fit a couple in a shipping container vs a dozen of the small ones.
Bobcat all the way... A/C cab is a must have for bugs/heat. My wife is trying to tell me we don't need a Kioti tractor with cab and I'm like then we aren't buying a tractor. 😁 🍻
Cab is awesome. Im sitting in the Kioti right now as i respond to your comments. Nice and cool.
Ya know, I've always been against spending the extra money on a cab, figuring, eh, I can handle the heat/cold. Then the other day I hit a bald face nest on the rider. Whatever machine I get, will now have a cab 😅
Good explanation on the diggers, Kyle. I bought the joysticks and have the pleasure of figuring out how to switch the controls, yay! I'm with you on the touchiness of the Kymron controls, very intense if you're not used to it. I have been looking into this with my 26 and the solution seems to be a 'Cushion Valve' that allows for smoother operation. I'll address this in the future on my channel. Thanks for the update on your excavators, as always it was informative and entertaining at the same time.
I haven’t even watched this yet Kyle but can almost guarantee this will be one of your most popular videos and only grow in viewership over time - a lot of home-gamers and small businesses are in the same boat.
They would be great. Hope you enjoy it and i hope it helps people with their decision.
Absolutely love my E35! The only thing I can think of to watch out for is reaching down deep with the blade up. Typically you would have the blade down when digging but one scenario where it got me was climbing on top of a mound of dirt to load a dump trailer. Climbing up the soft dirt and reaching across the pile to help pull the MACHINE up, the main boom cylinder guard hit the blade and sheared the bolt that holds the guard on off. Not Bobcats fault, I’m sure that all excavators with a blade could have this issue.
Good to know.
I’m a buy once, cry once kind of person. I only buy JD tractors. I’ve looked at the Chinese brands which give people bang for the buck, but I would be wishing I bought a JD, Kubota, Bobcat, etc if I did. My only issue is upgraditis. I always want a larger tractor. 😂 Great video brother!
GREAT VIDEO! It's the QUALITY of the product THAT COUNTS! I'd pay more for better quality any day! Keep the videos sta8 and tell it like it is! You da man!
Good honest appraisal and info! Would love to have a name brand but for 3 acres just cant justify it quite yet. But seriously, the jerkyness of the little crappy machines is irritating as all get out.
It's about the dealership and how far you need to travel. Great video. Missing the beer and girls. God bless.
Kyle, fit, function, finances, frustration, usually one part of the equation takes presidence always in making a choice.
Stay safe, strong, and smart. Good stuff!
I see what you are talking about with the thumb now. I think that is a good price for the bobcat. Enjoyed the video.
I'm very happy for you. This new machine is generations -behind- EDIT: ahead the kymron. The movements are so smooth, the engine is much quieter - money well spend. The difference in price is the difference in function and comfort. Very nice toy!
generations ahead of the kymron, which is just a crappy kubota knock off.
@@DieselRamcharger Oh! of course - the other way around. freudian slip.
Thanks for the great run-down. Seems like you got a great "starter" unit and now have an even better "grown up" unit. Likely a helpful life lesson.
Had you ever rented equipment to try out and see where the capabilities lay? I know Bobcat of Davies County was a great dealer for you, but in trying to apply your lessons to my area it becomes harder to navigate based on dealer reputation alone.
@@patrickkenny2077 ive never rented any equipment. Just talked to people that own different brands
I know you don't buy on impulse. You research and think it all through. The right tools make all the difference.
Kyle - Really like the diversity of your intro videos vs the same old stuff each week. Great comparison video
Thanks you. Im trying to change it up here and there.
You could make a nice path down into that ravine with the bobcat and clean the entire slops . Looking good
@@Island.dweller my plan is to build a deck right there that cantilevers over the edge a little.
@@SpicerDesignsLLC sounds like a fun project, maybe I should come help
@6:40 "Hell, I'd be happy with an extra inch." "Machine!" Since you missed that pop in, I figured that I would help.
😅
55k sounds like a great price for a machine that equipped. I've been looking for something used in the same size but people want 40-50 for something with 2khrs. That's crazy when you can spend 10k more and buy new. Looks like I might have to get some quotes. Thats a nice looking machine and you can't beat the air conditioning😂👍
@@OUTDOORS55 thats the same boat i was in and decided to go new.
I have a JD 26G open cab. I've been getting rather annoyed with it starting to bounce and having to completely release the controls until it settles. It's worse at a higher throttle setting, but it's always there to some degree. I think the lighter the machine (machine!), the more prone it is to doing that. The 26G (5700lbs) is moderately capable, but I'm finding I need a heavier machine (machine!) for more and more things now. I also want a cab. I recently replaced my Kubota L4701HST with a TYM 574CH because I wanted more lift capacity and a cab. I guess the excavator upgrade is going to have to wait another week or two :). Also, check out progressive link thumb options for the Bobcat. That's the ultimate in thumb usability, as you typically get over 180 degrees of thumb rotation, vs the 120 or so for a good non-progressive link thumb.
I love my E60, glad you are happy with yours!!!
@@OneEyeCustoms i love your e60 too
Boy that XH42D isn't free either. I would have thought they would be further apart.
I'm going to weld extensions and 2 more cross braces on my Chinese hydraulic thumb.
@@lwwarren beefy
YES, it is worth it especially when talking MACHINES. I know you will enjoy the Bobcat.
Boy do I have excavator envy. The cab is your friend! Great video brother, enjoyed it!
Thanks Joe! I have track loader envy
@@SpicerDesignsLLC😂. Too bad we aren’t neighbors. 👊🏼
@JoeTheFarmer ya no kidding. That would save us some money
Kymron has a place and a value. But the Bobcat is on a whole other level. And like I noted to TKCL, Bobcats are going to have resale value. If or when you ever want to sell the machine, you will be able to get a lot back out of it. You and he are likely to keep these machines at low, low hours forever, and never beat the bushings out of them. Won't call it a sure thing but it is a reaonably safe bet. And you get the Bobcat dealer support, all the engineers at Doosan backing them up. This is big-league stuff. And I say that even as a Yanmar/Takeuchi fan because it is just true.
Awesome video! I just rock a skid steer on our farm, it's mostly flat in Nebraska!😂
@@alanschmeeckle3261 thank you!
Machine! Girth! Great video explaining you purchase. Thanks
Great information Kyle, thank you for posting this video, this is an important comparison, your compared the two machines in a very objective way. 😊
@@crf2go thanks! Hopefully it was helpful
M A C H I N E. That really helped me with my decision, thanks man. BTW, last video you mentioned swass, i broke out laughing cause we called it "wet tail"!!!
@@Outdoorsy368 hah! I think wet tail is even funnier.
Man honestly that’s a great price for the bobcat I was expecting a lot more for some reason.
I thought the same thing when i got the quote. Really not that far out of reach. I mean look at vehicle costs.
Hi I do agree with you about a name brand mini excavators also it depends on what you are doing with it such as if you are a landscaper and need fine detail work then the kymron china boy excavators you may not won’t to use but if you are a contractor that just uses a mini excavator twice or slightly more then a china boy mini is for you I mean a mini excavator lol specially if all you are doing is just digging a trench or a hole Both whether it’s Chinese or a brand name they both have a place you have to decide which is best for you have fun with your new bobcat also don’t be using it for a super weggie machine lol
Thanks for sharing!
Hey Semi trucks are Machines too! lol
For the professional contractor, it’s Bobcat all day long. For home owner on a tight budget and not making a living with machine, Chinese excavator will probably work fine.
Yeah, if your income and work depends on the machine, you want to have something reliable and with a service network.
Just for a little property or small farm getting a cheap or used small machine and just rent a bigger one for that odd job where you really need more power/reach makes probably more sense.
Great vid. Great comparison. Super helpful, THX. MACHINE!!!
No problem! Glad you enjoyed it.
Controls on Bobcat are much smoother. Really no comparison between the two machines. Bobcat look much more stable too. All around better machine for you. BTW, thanks for the electric info.
and bobcat is one of the worst name brand machines. simmer on that for a minute.
Dang. And my wife was pi$$ed when I bought another golf cart chassis. Nice MACHINE!
@@RBallarddesigns hah!
Hope you are ok.. Haven’t seen a new post in a couple weeks. More people need to subscribe to your channel
@@dibber13 im good. I just missed this past weekend. I have 3 videos im working on and none of them are ready unfortunately. Ill be back this weekend. Thanks for checking in. Much appreciated.
@@SpicerDesignsLLC I’m looking forward to seeing what’s next!
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Smooth operator…. I’m reminded of a song. 😂
Does the Bobcat use electronic solenoids? Redesigning that Kymron foot pedal would’ve been a good video. Small footed Asians.😂
I wanted to relocate it to the joystick. If i had more time i would have done it. Wasnt worth it after i decided to get a larger machine.
@Will-No-Co I have the same Kymron26D, mines just a few weeks new to me and I purchased the joysticks from Kyle and will be taking on this project. It may take some time but I will do my best to do a video on it.
I just checked in a ground hog because I bought 11 acres . Bobcat was $20,000 higher
@@jongipson9714 ya, the Bobcat is a better machine with more features. Just depends on your needs and budget. The Ground hogs are nice machines.
The Chinese machines will never be able to compete against Bobcat, Cat, etc.
Their main selling point is the cost.
This is not true. The chinese machines COULD compete, if they want to - but the price difference would be marginal. These machines opt for "good enough to do the job" at the bare minimum for a lower pricetag. China can produce quality - but quality isn't a regular requirement.
Problem with a cab is something more to break. Would definitely take the Chinese machine over the Bobcat therefore.
@@doolittlegeorge good to have options
Great video and comparison. I think you explained the differences quite well. I was talking to someone about the Kyrom verses brand name and told them that if your looking to save a little money and are just getting started it might be worth looking at. After you get to the point that the better quality of a Bobcat or Kabota or any other name would benefit you better you could upgrade at that point. But like you said shipping and local dealer support can be a huge advantage and the difference in price becomes less of a factor. Good stuff!!
Yup, it's what I call the "hassle factor"
As a retired Caterpillar employee, I tend to have a prejudice for Cat equipment. But I watch enough videos that feature construction equipment, that I really seem to like the Kubota machines a lot. The problem is, just like how people tend to buy cordless tools, I like Kubota for the color🙂. So I should never be trusted to make purchasing decisions on construction equipment.
I have both kubota and bobcat and both are great. The downfall of the kubota is parts are so stupidly expensive.
@@Chris-bn5cv I am not even a little bit qualified to know what machines are better. I was a design engineer on the Cat Backhoe Loader, but that was a long time ago. I am out of touch, but I enjoy watching stuff on construction equipment.
@@hamilde Me too! I just meant that is my only gripe with kubota after owning both. My kubota is a bit older though, it's a -2 series 161 X.
You got that bobcat for 55k?! I got a quote a year ago on an e35 same setup for $77,800!!
@@Tcw2019 wow! Thats a lot. What area are you in?
Big upgrade!
Machines are cool !
Awesome thanks man ya think if u upgraded to American on Myron it may be smoother
No problem! Im a little confused on the question though.
@@SpicerDesignsLLC sorry if u upgraded kymrom with American hydrolic pump u think run smoother?
@dst286 its not the pump it the valve controls that make the machine smoother.
So you spent $55k to reach 1 branch down a ravine. This guys got more money than brains
Well if he was 6’5” he could just reach it without the excavator 😊
Hah! Thats it. Its actually for sale now.
Shots fired! 🤣
@@SpicerDesignsLLCUpgrading the E35 to E60 now? 😏
Hah! Not at the moment.
MACHINE!!!
Can you post or send the recording equipment you use? Namely the camera and wireless mic. I'd appreciate it greatly.
Ya just email me and i can give you the info
Shoulda bought a house further from the road for UA-cam purposes 😂
Hah! The house is further just not the shop. Road noise does suck.
MACHINE!
If you ask me..I would buy a Kubota... :-)))
@@oliviergioan952 its good to have choices.
The thumb and the jerking of the other one makes that machine a no go for me. And that peddle appears it won’t last very long.
It does still work just not ideal. I was a little smoother before with the Kymron but after 16 hrs in the Bobcat and i lost my touch. The Bobcat is effortless.
Digging that extra reach…. 😅
Shoulda got a 2026 😂
I owened bobcat my hole live
Machine 👍
Machines!
Im looking at getting an 8 ton machine with a disc mulcher , how do you handle the insurance? is it covered under homeowners or a stand alone policy, no insurance or does BC sell a policy? you could mabey do vid about it.
@@aristotlesfate3015 its covered under my homeowners right now. I just added it on as another asset so its covered.
The chinese should be further apart, they are getting too big for their britches it should be 25k compared to 55k not 40k compared to 55k
So how much was the Chinese ver the bobcat. I would say put a different thum on the Chinese one. Been cheaper then buying a new machine
@@jtsokiehobbyandadventures6666 im guessing you didnt watch the whole video. I said all the prices. Rebuilding the thumb is not something i want to mess with on a brand new machine. All comes down to preference and your personal needs for a machine.
@SpicerDesignsLLC the bad part about any Chinese machines. You need to know how to repair things your self and mods. If you have a business then makes more sense to buy name brand with taxes and stuff.
As for resale on the kemron I think the warranty. Will it transfer to the new buy or not. If it stays on the machine then there's not a gamble on new buyer on what's left. But when you buy used machines you don't get a warranty anyway. I don't play with bigger machine. I'm in one ton ones. Sorry did comment before watching the full video.
The warranty does not transfer to the new buyer on the Kymrons Unfortunately.
why didn't you buy the Japanese one, Takeuchi Yanmar Kubota?
I like the Bobcat most. Was the best price too.
@@SpicerDesignsLLC it's a good machine too
Greetings from Poland
You were fan of kymron !!! Not anymore???
@@KUBBI7488 i dont dislike Kymron at all. Ive had no issues with mine at all and its done everything i need it to do. I talked about all the reasoning in the video.
it just the AC isn't it?
Maybe
Do people actually finance this equipment or do they pay cash? How do they afford it?
@@david_lawrence_h2703 same as vehicles. Equipment can make you money though.
Kemron is a pile of crap. Bobcat is a good machine.
You know you can rent these.
@@philipparana9225 how much is a two year rental? Thats about how much excavator work i have here on the property.
Lol
As a operator you are comparing two different weight machines. Not a complete comparison
@@jongipson9714 thats exactly what i said in the video. Right in the intro
You can’t expect it to be in the same category as a bobcat. It’s a cheap Chinese machine so what do you expect you know?
@@kennybiggs3944 what? Did you watch the video?
@@SpicerDesignsLLC yes
@@kennybiggs3944 im not sure what your asking.
@@SpicerDesignsLLC I’m not asking anything I’m making a statement. The thing is is I think you’re comparing it to a superior quality machine versus something that is not of the quality of a larger machine like a bobcat.
@kennybiggs3944 ya thats exactly what i was doing. Im explaining why the chinese machines are less and the name brand is more. And justifying the the differences in quality and design for the price. The Chinese machines arent that much less than name brand anymore so this is useful information for people that are on the fence.
YOUR QUESTION
IS
As I will be stating
*(In - Complete )* On its FACE VALUE for MOST, SOME, ALL who have been down this RABBIT HOLE Once and for ALL - still.
Does a D. I. Y. ( Home Owner ) Weekend Warrier, HONEY -Do-List of Grandfathered in Skills and Assets need to be even ( CONSIDERING ) More then a RENTAL, BORROWING -perhaps, a Loner or some one else PROBLEM solving on any given 5 minute project still ?
That really is the EQUATION here. ( A+B=C ) KNOWN as What then - EXACTLY.
TAKE this Simple Math QUESTION: Do YOU or any others Strongly believe the answer is always Cut and Dried (UNTIL) Its Allowed to play out in say 1,2,3,4,5,6, or more attempts on PAPER and also the Pocket book, bank accounts , CREDIT CARD Limits as well ??
(1+1=2) 1x1=1 (1+2=3) 1x2=2 (2+2=4) 2x2=4 (4+4=8) 4x4=16 (16+16=32) 16x16=256
( 256 - 32 = 224 ) OPTIONS, MISTAKES, FALSE Promises, WEATHER DELAYS, Interest Payments, ATM Fees and Neglected ( LAST Notices ) Attached to Creditors and Divorce Lawyers ( STILL ) the List keeps growing.
"Many Times the ( A N S W E R ) Lyes within the QUESTION being ASKED "
WOULD I, SHOULD I, COULD I ( SURVIVE ) Not being able to Save a penny while spending every waking hour Working off last weeks, months, years, Decade of Mistakes instead of figuring out Exactly what it takes ?
Some call this Estimating ( TRUTH IS ITS ACTUALLY THIS ) GUESS - Ti - Mating equals Aggravating explanations to others NOT in the Loop or otherwise DIRECTLY Related to YOU too. GENERAL Rule of THUMB. take what YOU honestly THINK it will take to go from *A to Z* Double that time frame NOW Double it again. Then Double that figure to reach less then 50%. WHY ?? Solutions are a FALSE FRONT.
*(F. E. A. R.)* Like in Nature being what ?
FALSE EVIDENCE APPERAING REAL ( F. E. A. R. )
One hour of a Skilled Labor Force on any given day or week. 100 bucks ( CALL IT ) 200 or 400 hundred once on the site to get the process ( PER Person )
Two Guy 8 hours per day. 400 times 8 = $ 3,200.oo BUCKS Add in the Second person.
$ 3,200 x 2 = $ 6,400.oo What does that truly get you ?
YEARS ( HOPEFULLY ) Of Trial and Error ( PROOFED out to LIMIT ) the Factors of Running back and forth Mis-calculations of costs, Time, money - efforts Expanded still.
Here is one EVERYONE Else will enjoy to be laid out. A FRIEND of a FRIEND. SIDE JOB ( GOVERNMENT WORK ) CASH ONLY - PAYMENTS UPFRONT - NO CHECKS or CREDIT ALLOWED. Got a Bridge ( I ) Would Really like to Sell you as well.
CHEAPER is NOT BETTER. YOU GET EXACTLY WHAT IT IS YOU PAY FOR !!!
LOW COST will almost ( ALWAYS ) Become the Meaning of Greater RISKS and HIGHER REPAIR BILLS, Buying it two or three or four times in a row. Then Coming to the conclusion ( THIS JUNK is JUST a BUNK of GARBAGE ) Now Start the Cycle over and complain about how much the GOOD Stuff would be totaling in Hindsight ( 20/20 ) ??
WAY to OFTEN QUICK FIXES TEND TO COST ALOT MORE THAN the Original *BILL* Would have GIVEN doing it RIGHT instead of OVER an OVER Again and Again. *(BUY ONCE - Cry Once )* " In the END - It ALL Goes Back to the BEGINNING "
Supposed ( HIDDEN ) COST are the Calculation LEFT Un-Done by the Master and the Commanders Eagerness to be a Five minute project checked off a To Do List. INSTEAD of the Reality being what ?
" There is ALWAYS Time to Do Things OVER - YET NEVER EVER Enough Time to Do Them RIGHT the VERY FIRST Time Tried"
FAILURE Adds up to 2,3,4,5,6,7, Times or Worse in Total INVESTMENT ( LOSS ) DEBTS and A$$ET$ LOST , Down the DRAIN, PI$$ED AWAY Yet AGAIN and AGAIN..
The TRUE COMPLETE ANSWER to YOUR QUESTION.
YES - NO- MAYBE ( CONFUSED ) or PLAYING the LOTTERY in HOPES this time it all comes out in your favor. DAY DREAMING ( NIGHTMARE ) On Hold and Ready to Explode !!!!
Could you repeat the question please?