Delta Pro Ultra and Apollo 5K Kits: PoweredPortableSolar.com/Shop/ The EcoFlow Delta Pro Ultra and the Hysolis Apollo 5K are the top two units on the market right now. Which one is the absolute best one for a long term power outage?
Hi my name is Robert wooten an my family lost our house do to a fire an we lost everything an now we have to leave we're we are staying an I need help getting power off grid to a 35 foot camper on a property my dad left us but don't have a lot of money could really use your help please
Was a OUPES Mega 3 Home Backup & Portable Power Station | 3600W 3072Wh one of the solar generators you tested? I know you did a lot of work, but this generator seems to be a power horse. Just wondered how it compares to these two systems
If you can't afford something like this Even having a solar panel and battery, will make a world of a difference than not having anything when electricity is out.great video
I'm old school and like my systems just to be on all the time with no software or wifi needed. Large low frequency inverters. Charging happens with a contactor. When batteries are full the panels turn off. Simple robust components. Is been running that system almost eight years. Zero downtime.
Thank you for your extensive testing and data. However, with the years of issues I have had with EF, they could have received all the points, and I still would go with the Apollo.
I second this request! My greatest concern is what good does it do to have all this stuff if the EMP or CME wipes it all out. Only way I know for sure is to faraday cage it all, but then it’s sitting there doing nothing. I want to know how to fully protect the systems and utilize them at the same time so they can help pay for themselves.
I wholeheartedly third this request. This had been my biggest concern as well. If there is a way to harden these for EMP, I would love to know! Looking forward to that video!
Hysolis had expansion battery on a presidents day A small $100 off of a $3600 product. Very underwhelming sale! For this I say stay far away from Hysolis! I own a pair of Apollos and run them split pase. They work but are worthless if I cant afford to buy 2 expansion batteries for my use! Point is dont buy Hysolis if you think you can get a good sale price on expansion batteries, so far not happening. Pretty sure they didnt even have a black friday sale. Ben us super great for sure. Hysolis is not so great in my opinion!
I agree the sale wan't that big at all. Part of me wonders if they can't do massive sales because they're not a massive company like EcoFlow, I don't know. Thanks for sharing your opinion =)
I can only speak from my experience which has been good. When I call them I make a point to not let them know who I am or my channel so I get normal treatment. I can understand not everyone will have the same treatment but mine has been good.
Excellent overview, but a slight flaw in terminology. Standard 240 Volt service is single phase. This contrasts with the three phase power required by many types of industrial equipment. Two phase power is obsolete and used almost nowhere today. When the single phase 240 volt power is split by taking either side directly to ground you get split phase. A standard home service panel does not have two different phases, but two different sides of a single phase.
Over the years I have purchased multiple EcoFlow products knowing that if there are issues that their customer service really sucks. I like their products and eventually EcoFlow does make things right. However, based on their customer service history, I would never consider purchasing another Ecoflow product, so my vote goes to the Apollo.
Actually I have to disagree I have had 2 units fail not my delta pros just a river 2 mini and delta mini which they both replaced for better refurbished units. One the screen failed on the river mini and the solar plug failed on the delta mini not huge issues but still needed to be replaced
Yes, unless you have the units in a Faraday cage the electronics will be junk. The battery may still pass power on its own. I stress the word may because nobody has even tested to see if an emp will disable a lithium battery.
Excellent video. It would be great if you could do a video about ground-neutral bonds. This comes up often in the Facebook groups where people make mistakes and create hazardous conditions.
@@CityPrepping I've watched your solar generator videos multiple times over the past year and would love if you added your thoughts on the Apollo system.
Ben being offgrid the last thing I want to do is babysit my system and check to see if the solar power input has kicked on properly. I am not a big fan of having to make sure some firmware update has done its thing like it seems that you have illustrated with the DeltaPro Ultra. So in this situation my pick would be the Hysolis Apollo 5K. Thanks.
Good stuff Ben! I'd totally take Apollo. Ecoflow burnt me in the past badly so screw them but even if they didn't, I live in NE so need that PV input and I just like to pull for the smaller company since it's also US based it's a no Brainer. Never regret my Growatt 3k and my Point Zero Titan purchases but yea I'd love an Apollo if I could justify the purchase😊
I feel like I can trust a smaller business much more than a larger company. Sure their resources may be less but their ethics and morals come through much more in the end and in their product&service.
The apollo is what i need. But being in Europe, has to be 240v from the get go on a single apollo unit. Yes, i would love to have 1.2 gigawats (great scott!!) of power through multiple apollos and expansion batteries, but the reality is that I can’t afford from the get go 2 apollos etc. Buying 1 apollo with 240v output and then adding expansion batteries as i go would be awesome, but unfortunately not available. 😮💨
I just bought a Ford Lightning and it has a 7kW system that I can plug into my house and run it for days. The only problem there is I can't charge it with solar so I need another system to run off grid. If I was to get one of these I would get the Delta Pro Ultra all day long.
I went with EcoFlow due to the good service this past year. I am impressed with the attention to detail and quality of workmanship. Their forward thinking of creating other categories such as their Wave, Blade, etc assure me of strong viability of the company future.
Great job 👍. I personally don’t want one system. I much prefer zone usage of different sizes. It gives me redundancy and allows me to continue to take advantage of prior purchases. I love the tech but I like basic systems. I’ve had my share of issues with software on two of mid-cap platforms. I’ve since purchased simpler systems. But hey, to each his/her own. If I was buying I’d buy the Apollo. I love EF but don’t trust them for long term.
This was an amazing breakdown comparison! I was an Eco flow fan hands down until the Apollo was reviewed by another famous solar reviewer/teacher. But, when the Ultra was announced, I was on the fence. Your review has sealed the deal, simply for the off grid - non babysitting factor - right out of the box capability. If there was a need to leave the area (like an invasion or wildfire situation), the Apollo is what I would be buying (if I ever had the money 😢). Thank you for this break down) -Sub'd
I considered both of them but ended up going with the Ultra and 5 batteries at the launch price. Mainly because of the solar input and 240 out from one unit. I have 1.6kw to low and 2k to high voltage input. I use it to charge my car and works great (you need to bond the ground and neutral). Also at 7.2 output that’s a real plus. I only charge the car at 4k so I’m not running max on the unit for 5-6 hours at a time. As for plugged into to a wall outlet at the same time mine does not work if I’m using the 240 out. Seems as though anything over 2k out from the 240, the wall tries to pull over 2k and shuts down with an error code. Bummer. Powers my house with transfer switch and car. A real beast. When I first got it and the weather was bad I had a few different error codes, 182, 252, and 479. With the firmware update I only get 479 now and shuts down the high voltage PV, luckily I’m off during the day and can reset it often. Hasn’t been a set and forget system. You might consider waiting till the bugs are settled out
Absolutely an outstanding comparison video, thank you! Options are great. My personal need for one of these would be to provide up to 15 kw of battery, allow for a minimum of 4,000 watts of PV input (preferably combined low and high voltage), 240 split phase to run well pump and portable enough to move as needed. Both of these, as you pointed out, can do many of my wants. My decision, as close as it is, would be the EcoFlow. Currently I have to use multiple solar generators to accomplish the above and they take up a lot of space but I don't have close to the money either of these would cost me so until I can consolidate all I can do is watch videos like yours and keep dreaming.
Both very capable systems, do like the Hysolis but with pricing special $1,000 off went with the DPU, one unit with 240 volt, good solar input was only looking for critical load back up. Would not have been disappointed with Hysolis and it does have some great features.
From the first time and the beginning of the Apollo I’m still on board with there work. But. Thumbs up 👍 for both companies and your research on both. 😊
You mentioned that the Appolo is better in an RV because not having tomstack them, however I don't recall you mentioning how many ways the Apollo can charge. The DP ultra has can charge with solar, regular wall outlet, 240v, connected to the cars alternator as well as with additional charging with a smart plug with the adapter. Does the Apollo have the same options?
why do you play with ready-made solutions and ignore the custom solution with can solve 100% of your expectations? look at the victron hybrid inverter and solar panels and lifepo4 batteries you like. any capacity. any power. simple.
Do you feel that, at some point, if you need something that large, (basically no longer "portable") you're better off just going to a component-based system? Both of those systems are INSANELY expensive, for the capacity they bring to the table. There are any number of other solutions, which aren't "portable", but you get far more system for the money. The only use case I could see for either of these over-priced beasts would be someone who has BOTH an off-grid cabin AND a large RV that they boondock with regularly. For anyone other potential buyer of a system this big, they'd be way better off building a component-based system.
My opinion is if you need upwards of 1,500 kWh/mo it's a really good idea to look into hardwired system over a power station system. But some people want to pull the units out their boxes, attach some cables, flip their interlock switch and be off-grid. With these systems you can do that. With a hard wired system, you can't do that so easily.
If you can afford them, they're the best. Best overall size, integration, capability, software, functionality...and portability. I have delta pro's running my house and I like how I can roll each one away and throw them in a truck and take them to a cabin.
I pick the Apollos. That said, "portability" is relative. One Apollo weighs ~ 135lbs. One Apollo expansion battery weighs ~116lbs. The cart made for them rolls like glass, so that is not a problem. I don't know what DPU's weigh, but 135lbs. is not something easily picked up and moved without 2 people. The smaller Apollo footprint, the additional 3000 cycles, and ease of service with legitimate English speakers does it for me. I am "switching" from a gas backup generator to Apollos, (sort of). I have a manual switching system wired in long ago with a transfer box that I will keep for Apollos. I know how it works, plus I will keep the gas generator. I can use the gas generator to charge the Apollo system when needed, plus use the generator anytime the Apollo system might fail. You cannot charge an Apollo from your wall (electric utility) at the same time you charge it using a gas generator. You can charge with solar at the same time as either of the above. With a four Apollo system, one or two can fail and the others will get you by. With two DPUs if one fails you are down by 50% and if both fail you are down to zero. Even one Apollo is better than zero. It's a close choice, and Ben is right. What do you need, what do you want, and what do you want to pay or can afford? Neither system is cheap. I decided before I started this experiment that the idea of it paying for itself over time is a nonexistent issue for me. I want emergency power 1st, 2d, and last. Solar where I live is not the best as it is in AZ, NM, or TX. If you absolutely have to have solar pay for itself, perhaps you should forget it and stick with Edison. All of the above said, I don't see much wrong with a DPU system if that is your preference. Finally, If I want a hardwired system I would use Victron components and skip portability. I may yet do that, too, for unused space above my garage. Even so, I want a manual plug in system, not automatic switching. I know how that works and fully understand it. I can do that with any system, portable or Victron. Nothing requires you to hardwire Victron to your house. All systems have pros and cons------ your choice. Bottom line: Apollos for me. Thanks, Ben. You explained it well the same as always.
@@minutemanprep - I agree that some people think these systems are easier to hook up, and they are, but only by small degrees over the increasingly easy-to-install modular systems. The new 6000XP from EG4 (Luxpower) is dead simple, very powerful, very scalable, and really much better suited for a whole house solution than anything portable. Plus, it's quite a bit less expensive. You pay a real premium for the largest of the (marginally) portable systems.
@@MotoJB - I can see that working, in very specific situations, but it's a very expensive solution. You could almost buy two stationary systems for the same price, and never have to move anything around.
Thanks for the comparison! I'd have to vote for the Apollo because one unit does what i want it to do now for less $ than one DP Ultra and I still have the choice of growing the system if circumstances create that need. It also seems that the DP Ultra has some early adopter issues at the moment, but then so did Apollo last year, Hysolis handled the Apollo situation very well as they loaned me one of their MPS3k units while they fixed the issues with the Apollo! Both look like great products!
For me I would Take the Apollo...Just learning about this stuff.Looking to buy a off grid system...Right now I do have a back Generator.It only keeps the lights on.Where is the video on you hooking together 4 Apollo's into split phase.Please let me know where I can fine that.Thanks>:))
Really appreciate the time you put into this video. The only thing I would need 240 for is running my water well. I would choose the EcoFlow. Thanks again.
Sorry if this appears twice. Was an OUPES Mega 3 Home Backup & Portable Power Station | 3600W 3072Wh part of your overall test? It appears to be a power horse. Just wondered how it compares with the 2 systems in this video.
I really like both of these units. Thanks to this channel, I've been able to follow both of them for the last year. Thank you Ben! This video was very well done. They definitely have their pros and cons to fret over. Thank goodness that both of these units are very quiet. For me, it comes down to the initial costs. A few times, Ben mentions needing two Apollos to match the Delta Pro Ultra (to start with). If my goal is to have 12,000 watts running inverter output, 240 volt split phase, and 50 amp service, what will it cost me? In this case I need to buy two Delta Pro Ultras (non-sale price $11,600) or four Apollos (non sale price $21,980) Granted that only gives you about 12 kw of battery capacity for the DPU, versus 21.5 kw of battery capacity for the Apollo. And really, for long term power outages, battery capacity is king. But that roughly $22,000 for 50 amp service was more than I wanted to pay. $11,600 for delta pro ultras is bad enough. In addition, I couldn't afford (or have the space for) the amount of panels to recharge 21.5 kw of battery quickly. I kind of feel like its a repeat of the tortoise and the hare. The Delta Pro Ultra is the tortoise that gets an awesome head start; but in time, the Apollo (with its overall solar/battery capacity) will catch up and surpass the DPU. I'm with Ben's conclusion....for home/suburban use, the DPU is the way to go for small-medium setups. Even though I side with the DPU, I still have wandering eyes for the Apollo 😛
great video, but what i didn't hear you talk about is where can these units be placed. Do they have to be in a climate controlled area or can they be in a shed?
Be curious to compare Apollo and the EcoFlow Delta Pro 3...Have heard the 3 isn't as good as the Ultra, so mya just need to go with this great comparison, TY
I'm a rookie when it comes to solar power so I have a question about batteries and safety with these two specific solutions. Do these units need to be installed outside in a separate structure or are they safe to be installed say in a basement next to the pain breaker panel? Any issues with the batteries off-gassing? Great video. Very informative.
I think they've gotten most of them out, but it's hard to say I'm 100% comfortable. But that could be because I'm part of the beta testing and am destined to find those bugs. Overall I think the DPU is awesome.
so 1 Ultra = to 2 Apollo. just looking at amount of space each setup take up is huge. 3-phase 208V is nice to have if needed with the Apollo. The Ultra dose have a longer cable that was available at lunch so I have no idea what he is talking about as that's not an option.
Question I’m looking to set up the ultra in a RV trailer and Im leaning towards the delta pro ultra but my question is does the ultra have a connection/port to be able to be charged from shore power while still being charged by the panels my idea is to have a roof full of panels but on days/nights when the weather isn’t allowing me to charge or could I use a generator and charge the system off the generator or would the Apollo be a better option with the same scenario
Having someone that speaks English that I can understand is the one I would pick ? I get tired of saying I can’t understand you ? Then they pass you around to different techs ? Gets frustrating…. I agree that these units need to operate out of the box plug and play.
Not directly, no. I don't like it as a system. I sent out an email to my email subscribers explaining why and Point Zero immediately terminated my contract with them to be a dealer. They don't mind me having negative things to say about other units but with theirs they don't allow it. It's cool the 240SP can do 240v split phase power but it's limited to 4,000w output with no option to expand. There are half of a dozen other systems now that are better in price, output, input, and capacity over the 240SP. I told them as much before they launched the 240SP and recommended they not launch it but rather innovate like they did with the original Titan. Sadly, that didn't happen.
Vampire current and inverter efficiency for small loads pretty much comes down to inverter size. NONE of the big inverters will do well. Not a single one of them. Smaller is better, bigger is worse. Universal axiom when efficiency and vampire current is a concern. If small-load efficiency is important you basically want an external battery bank... 24V is best for small loads, and a small inverter connected to it, somewhere in the 500W to 800W range. That will generally have a vampire load of roughly 6W and be super-efficient for small loads. And still be big enough to handle a fridge cycling (for example). Some people even use little pure-sine-wave 12V "car" inverters, at least for the 100W-300W range. Vampire draw is typically 1-2W but watt-for-watt efficiency is a bit worse for the loads. Rule of thumb for an inverter, 50% of the inverter size is near the maximum efficiency point of the inverter watt-for-watt for loads. -Matt
Ben I bought my first solar unit from you that was a Titan with 3 batteries. Could you update your views on it now. I only need a unit to survive on at my small cabin. Thank you for all you have done to help us understand solar 😅
The Titan is still a great unit if you only need 120v power. I ran my Titan for over 4 years non-stop and it worked great. I have since upgraded my system at my cabin only because I have added 240v items and want to run them off of battery at night.
I was about to post this same question. Looking at the specs it says 120 which was basically the only reason I was thinking about going with the ultra. I'm looking for a somewhat portable setup with only a couple panels and didn't think I would be able to do that with 120v input requirement. 4:38
First of all, I really appreciate all the time and effort you put into your videos. I do find them rushed and I have to go back and review what you said. The other issue I had was comparing one unit with two of the other did not make any sense. It should of been one unit compared to the other unit; one to one, not taking one unit and match it with two units of the other. Not a fair comparision and of course the solar and inverter will be increased. I do agree for off grid I would buy the apollo.
Thank you for lettting me know. It was defintely a lot of info to cover and I needed to make sure everyone understood why I ranked each system how I did. I understand it was confusing when I said two units vs one. You need two Apollos for 240v power, which is why the vast majority of people get two Apollos. Since the Delta Pro Ultra already has 240v, the vast majority of people only get one. I was making sure to compare it based on what the vast majority of people are getting. Shortly after that I did mention the difference between 1 vs 1.
Thank you for all the research!! You mentioned EMP, wouldn’t that or a solar event fry these? How would you protect a system this large from an event like that? Too big for a typical faraday bag
@minutemanprep Solar storms won't affect these. You need long runs of conductor, which is a grid issue, and not a household issue. (If you have long runs between buildings, it MIGHT have an issue) Why? Solar storms are low flux, long time, wide area events. The magnetic flux in any small area is, well, small. But, over long runs (like telegraph lines for the Carrington event) the charge buildup can be significant. But in a small area, (like a house) the flux isn't enough to cause any issues. It may interfere with wifi (and DEFINITELY GPS) but nothing wire/conductor related. Foe the other EMP event, it's VERY high flux, over a wider area, but short duration. A Faraday cage is needed for this.
Question: will one of these 240v systems power a grid-tied inverter to make it produce and charge the batteries during the day during a grid power outage?
Sadly, no. You need to AC couple batteries to your existing system. I'm happy to help you with that if you'd like. You can email me at info@poweredportablesolar.com
Excellent presentation Ben. This gives me a lot to think about. At some point I will be running my 1200 sq ft off grid home with one of these or something similar. Thank you.
I'll have to go with gysolis! I currently have the most 4500 and living 100% off grid and they have helped me in a couple situations very quickly and friendly! I know the Apollo had a very rough starts(watched that video) butbwith the bugs worked out it seems like the champ, yeah a tad pricier especially if you want the 220 volt but the 6000 charges to the 3600 makes the Apollo better for longevity especially if you want slowly expand. Also can't the battery be replaced in the Apollo itself?
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Have you had a problem with delta pro ultra sold by amazon.The q/a:"Is ac pass through possible with 120v input? A: Use the c20 outlet for a bypass mode with a 120v input. There is no bypass mode for 240v input. AC output is turned off at this time"
This technology & market continues to move forward. What is the best today will be surpassed tomorrow; reminds of the PC/CPU days beginning in the 90's where CPU speeds were constantly doubling every year. With that said, which of these should a person buy for the long haul... say 5-10 years of use... maybe more?
Somewhat new to this so forgive me if the answer is so obvious you didn't need to mention it, but how did Hysolis achieve almost twice the lifecycles before degradation than the Eco Flow, while using the same battery technology?
It has to do with the battery capacity and the rated output of the inverter. Basically, it's impossible to discharge the battery really hard which means they never get over-worked, and therefore will last longer.
Thanks for putting this together! We have a mountain home in Colorado and I’m looking for a system to have us off grid. Just need the panels to charge the system and have the manual switch at the box. The Apollo is looking great! I have to find out what our max usage is, but we do have 240V in floor heating. The house is also all electric. So water heater and well boost pump will be a big draw possibly. No AC to worry about though!
Let me see, I'll get 2 Delta pros. I'll get that Delta ultra 2 of those. I'll get there Palo. I'll get the blue Eddie 300. I'll get the blue Eddie. 8 runs at 7600 W. Cause both of those units sound good to me, just like the a C3 100 which won't run everything and I'm not as planning on putting up Delta pro ultra 2 of those machines to everything I just plan to hit those to my most critical loads that the kitchen stove oven the water heater the. Dryer the Delta protwo of those. I'd put on the wash machine. The microwave, the refrigerator a split air conditioning heater 240 V. Or I might use Apollo for that and the Delta or something else, but I would use them for a split air conditioner heater cause I need a few with oz but I was, but I'll just stick my house down into a credit or is like I did when I had solar panels, and I just had. Small inverters, I just did each individual thing like I hooked up that for refrigerator the freezer what a wash machine the dishwasher, and run it that way and then, I could another one through another set of things and hook up another 1 to the delights in the house and plugins..
To be fair, you were using a preproduction unit, so that means you were also using a beta version of the app, which I would make sure you're now using the official version. There is a longer cable coming out for the DPU but both are good systems and I want your DPU batteries lol
Neither for home stationary use. Much better and cheaper options out there in terms of batteries (server rack?) and inverters / charge controllers that also don't lock you into an ecosystem. Going non-All-in-one also allows you to overcome the limitations and tailor to your needs. You are paying for your lack of education and ability to wire the components together by going with either of these units.
unfortunately I can't get solar input unless I literally go out of my building to get to a sunny spot to set the panels out. these 2 systems would be too big for me to get up the stairs into my apartment
I like the name brand recognition of the Eco-Flow but I would probably go with the Apollo. I say this because I can break it apart for home and remote use as needed. Amazing. Finally! Thought I saw 8 expansion batteries on the Hysolis. ... Did they have but downgrade? X FACTOR CONSIDERATIONS: Some people like the 90° cables of the DPU. And if you only had the one system, you could at least take the Apollo apart and reconfigure for a home and remote location and at least have 120V.
Great video. I came to similar conclusions. The market is changing more and more. The new Anker actually might be what I get due to how portable it is in comparison plus its way cheaper. For my basic portable needs I can save 3k which allows me to upgrade elsewhere. If I wanted off grid with rare portable needs then Apollo would be the choice. I think for my off grid set up I am going with a Schneider XW Pro inverter and get the Anker to be able to wheel it around to other parts of the property. Its a shame the Apollo couldnt be more portable because I really like it's specs. Ankers PV input is its biggest limitation but to run some saws and battery charging it would be ok.
Great job on the video. I must say the footprint (compactness) of the DPU and that it’s totally portable (comes with wheels) and can be hauled to remote locations with the hand cart/dolly, was, in my opinion, totally overlooked. That is so huuuge to be able to wheel your charging station to wherever you have a need. That said, your analysis and great video quality and editing are outstanding!
Mannnnnn! Great video.We just started installing solar this year and getting into solar powered generators. I'm always looking for the best and most economical choices for my customers and I appreciate videos like this. I heard you briefly touch on generator integration with the Apollo but not the Ultra - or I missed it. I was all Ecoflow till this video, and still am for home standby or back up power, but a lot to think about. Thanks for sharing
the never can have solar guy here. virtually no videos for that type of of customer that i’ve seen. ben, which of these would you pick for someone that will be recharging it with a dual fuel generator, if a prolonged outage? please do a video for no solar people please. thanks!
would you say the Anker Solix F3800 would be comparable to these units , I'm currently looking for something for a cabin totally off grid, really appreciate the info and time you took to make this video
Very interesting, the issue you mentioned at 23:45 is also with Delta Pro (the version before Ultra), so it seems like EcoFlow is struggling to fix this issue
Once ecoflow gets their act together with regards to their support, I'd reconsider but until then, no way would i purchase another unit from them. Their support is horrendous to say the least.
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The EcoFlow Delta Pro Ultra and the Hysolis Apollo 5K are the top two units on the market right now. Which one is the absolute best one for a long term power outage?
Thank you!
Hi my name is Robert wooten an my family lost our house do to a fire an we lost everything an now we have to leave we're we are staying an I need help getting power off grid to a 35 foot camper on a property my dad left us but don't have a lot of money could really use your help please
@@robertwooten9424 I'm sorry to hear about your tragedy. Feel free to email me at info@poweredportablesolar.com
Was a OUPES Mega 3 Home Backup & Portable Power Station | 3600W 3072Wh one of the solar generators you tested? I know you did a lot of work, but this generator seems to be a power horse. Just wondered how it compares to these two systems
Can you also include the EG4 and the point zero titan 240 next time?
If you can't afford something like this Even having a solar panel and battery, will make a world of a difference than not having anything when electricity is out.great video
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i have nothing.. too poor..
but i love watching these videos lol.
Delta Pro is the winner for me. Now I need to win the lottery.
I'm old school and like my systems just to be on all the time with no software or wifi needed. Large low frequency inverters. Charging happens with a contactor. When batteries are full the panels turn off. Simple robust components. Is been running that system almost eight years. Zero downtime.
What brands do you recommend?
Doesn't matter any used panel is fine just not broken glass.
You do an excellent thorough job on your videos !! You make it so easy to understand , my hats off to you sir !!! Happy father’s day to ya !!!
Thank you for your extensive testing and data.
However, with the years of issues I have had with EF, they could have received all the points, and I still would go with the Apollo.
Fair enough. Thanks for watching and leaving a comment.
Thank you for putting this together! As a follow up, I would love to see how you protect these against an EMP with such large systems.
I second this request! My greatest concern is what good does it do to have all this stuff if the EMP or CME wipes it all out.
Only way I know for sure is to faraday cage it all, but then it’s sitting there doing nothing. I want to know how to fully protect the systems and utilize them at the same time so they can help pay for themselves.
Great idea. I'll write that down and get a video about it.
@@criticalhadlock886 Good to know, thanks for seconding.
@@minutemanprep@minutemanprep , Also, please include how to protect your solar panels against an EMP .
I wholeheartedly third this request. This had been my biggest concern as well. If there is a way to harden these for EMP, I would love to know! Looking forward to that video!
Hysolis had expansion battery on a presidents day A small $100 off of a
$3600 product. Very underwhelming sale! For this I say stay far away from Hysolis! I own a pair of Apollos and run them split pase. They work but are worthless if I cant afford to buy 2 expansion batteries for my use! Point is dont buy Hysolis if you think you can get a good sale price on expansion batteries, so far not happening. Pretty sure they didnt even have a black friday sale. Ben us super great for sure. Hysolis is not so great in my opinion!
I agree the sale wan't that big at all. Part of me wonders if they can't do massive sales because they're not a massive company like EcoFlow, I don't know. Thanks for sharing your opinion =)
Unfortunately, I’ve been hearing a lot of negative talk about Ecoflow’s support! I don’t know if they fixed this or not?
I can only speak from my experience which has been good. When I call them I make a point to not let them know who I am or my channel so I get normal treatment. I can understand not everyone will have the same treatment but mine has been good.
Excellent overview, but a slight flaw in terminology. Standard 240 Volt service is single phase. This contrasts with the three phase power required by many types of industrial equipment. Two phase power is obsolete and used almost nowhere today. When the single phase 240 volt power is split by taking either side directly to ground you get split phase. A standard home service panel does not have two different phases, but two different sides of a single phase.
Over the years I have purchased multiple EcoFlow products knowing that if there are issues that their customer service really sucks. I like their products and eventually EcoFlow does make things right. However, based on their customer service history, I would never consider purchasing another Ecoflow product, so my vote goes to the Apollo.
I've been fortunate with my Ecoflow Delta pro and haven't required customer support, but I have heard they are terrible.
It's hit or miss. Had and issue with DeltaPro contacted them, communication as painful but ended up getting a new unit quickly.
Actually I have to disagree I have had 2 units fail not my delta pros just a river 2 mini and delta mini which they both replaced for better refurbished units. One the screen failed on the river mini and the solar plug failed on the delta mini not huge issues but still needed to be replaced
Oh and I got replacement units within days
Wouldn't an EMP just take these things out if you are within range?
Yes, unless you have the units in a Faraday cage the electronics will be junk. The battery may still pass power on its own. I stress the word may because nobody has even tested to see if an emp will disable a lithium battery.
Excellent video. It would be great if you could do a video about ground-neutral bonds. This comes up often in the Facebook groups where people make mistakes and create hazardous conditions.
Good idea, I'll make a note of that.
Question, If an EMP attack should occur will these inverters be functional, or will they be useless unless kept in an EMP protection bag?
They are not EMP proof.
For taking a home off grid setup, The ultra makes for a much cleaner install in a smaller footprint especially with the Smart Panel 2.
Looks a lot nicer too that’s the one I’m going for and I don’t need 400,000 watch the solar🤣
Excellent video!
Thanks! I appreciate it. This one was A LOT of work haha.
@@minutemanprep I can tell. This video will do well
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I've watched your solar generator videos multiple times over the past year and would love if you added your thoughts on the Apollo system.
Ben being offgrid the last thing I want to do is babysit my system and check to see if the solar power input has kicked on properly. I am not a big fan of having to make sure some firmware update has done its thing like it seems that you have illustrated with the DeltaPro Ultra. So in this situation my pick would be the Hysolis Apollo 5K. Thanks.
Good stuff Ben! I'd totally take Apollo. Ecoflow burnt me in the past badly so screw them but even if they didn't, I live in NE so need that PV input and I just like to pull for the smaller company since it's also US based it's a no Brainer. Never regret my Growatt 3k and my Point Zero Titan purchases but yea I'd love an Apollo if I could justify the purchase😊
US based is a cultural need for me.
I feel like I can trust a smaller business much more than a larger company. Sure their resources may be less but their ethics and morals come through much more in the end and in their product&service.
I need a system that is EMP proof.
The apollo is what i need. But being in Europe, has to be 240v from the get go on a single apollo unit.
Yes, i would love to have 1.2 gigawats (great scott!!) of power through multiple apollos and expansion batteries, but the reality is that I can’t afford from the get go 2 apollos etc.
Buying 1 apollo with 240v output and then adding expansion batteries as i go would be awesome, but unfortunately not available. 😮💨
But, being in the EU, not having a TUV/CE certification means it's not available for you.
Great Eco flow delta pro ultra solar system 👍😎
I just bought a Ford Lightning and it has a 7kW system that I can plug into my house and run it for days. The only problem there is I can't charge it with solar so I need another system to run off grid.
If I was to get one of these I would get the Delta Pro Ultra all day long.
I went with EcoFlow due to the good service this past year. I am impressed with the attention to detail and quality of workmanship.
Their forward thinking of creating other categories such as their Wave, Blade, etc assure me of strong viability of the company future.
Thank you for sharing the knowledge!!
Great job 👍. I personally don’t want one system. I much prefer zone usage of different sizes. It gives me redundancy and allows me to continue to take advantage of prior purchases. I love the tech but I like basic systems. I’ve had my share of issues with software on two of mid-cap platforms. I’ve since purchased simpler systems. But hey, to each his/her own. If I was buying I’d buy the Apollo. I love EF but don’t trust them for long term.
This was an amazing breakdown comparison! I was an Eco flow fan hands down until the Apollo was reviewed by another famous solar reviewer/teacher. But, when the Ultra was announced, I was on the fence.
Your review has sealed the deal, simply for the off grid - non babysitting factor - right out of the box capability. If there was a need to leave the area (like an invasion or wildfire situation), the Apollo is what I would be buying (if I ever had the money 😢).
Thank you for this break down)
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I considered both of them but ended up going with the Ultra and 5 batteries at the launch price. Mainly because of the solar input and 240 out from one unit. I have 1.6kw to low and 2k to high voltage input. I use it to charge my car and works great (you need to bond the ground and neutral). Also at 7.2 output that’s a real plus. I only charge the car at 4k so I’m not running max on the unit for 5-6 hours at a time. As for plugged into to a wall outlet at the same time mine does not work if I’m using the 240 out. Seems as though anything over 2k out from the 240, the wall tries to pull over 2k and shuts down with an error code. Bummer. Powers my house with transfer switch and car. A real beast. When I first got it and the weather was bad I had a few different error codes, 182, 252, and 479. With the firmware update I only get 479 now and shuts down the high voltage PV, luckily I’m off during the day and can reset it often. Hasn’t been a set and forget system. You might consider waiting till the bugs are settled out
Absolutely an outstanding comparison video, thank you!
Options are great. My personal need for one of these would be to provide up to 15 kw of battery, allow for a minimum of 4,000 watts of PV input (preferably combined low and high voltage), 240 split phase to run well pump and portable enough to move as needed. Both of these, as you pointed out, can do many of my wants. My decision, as close as it is, would be the EcoFlow.
Currently I have to use multiple solar generators to accomplish the above and they take up a lot of space but I don't have close to the money either of these would cost me so until I can consolidate all I can do is watch videos like yours and keep dreaming.
Both very capable systems, do like the Hysolis but with pricing special $1,000 off went with the DPU, one unit with 240 volt, good solar input was only looking for critical load back up. Would not have been disappointed with Hysolis and it does have some great features.
Love this video. How difficult and expensive is it to protect these kits from an EMP? And can the EcoPro run without WiFi?
From the first time and the beginning of the Apollo I’m still on board with there work. But. Thumbs up 👍 for both companies and your research on both. 😊
Thanks for sharing, always good to hear from you.
You mentioned that the Appolo is better in an RV because not having tomstack them, however I don't recall you mentioning how many ways the Apollo can charge. The DP ultra has can charge with solar, regular wall outlet, 240v, connected to the cars alternator as well as with additional charging with a smart plug with the adapter. Does the Apollo have the same options?
why do you play with ready-made solutions and ignore the custom solution with can solve 100% of your expectations? look at the victron hybrid inverter and solar panels and lifepo4 batteries you like. any capacity. any power. simple.
Do you feel that, at some point, if you need something that large, (basically no longer "portable") you're better off just going to a component-based system? Both of those systems are INSANELY expensive, for the capacity they bring to the table. There are any number of other solutions, which aren't "portable", but you get far more system for the money. The only use case I could see for either of these over-priced beasts would be someone who has BOTH an off-grid cabin AND a large RV that they boondock with regularly. For anyone other potential buyer of a system this big, they'd be way better off building a component-based system.
My opinion is if you need upwards of 1,500 kWh/mo it's a really good idea to look into hardwired system over a power station system. But some people want to pull the units out their boxes, attach some cables, flip their interlock switch and be off-grid. With these systems you can do that. With a hard wired system, you can't do that so easily.
If you can afford them, they're the best. Best overall size, integration, capability, software, functionality...and portability. I have delta pro's running my house and I like how I can roll each one away and throw them in a truck and take them to a cabin.
I pick the Apollos. That said, "portability" is relative. One Apollo weighs ~ 135lbs. One Apollo expansion battery weighs ~116lbs. The cart made for them rolls like glass, so that is not a problem. I don't know what DPU's weigh, but 135lbs. is not something easily picked up and moved without 2 people. The smaller Apollo footprint, the additional 3000 cycles, and ease of service with legitimate English speakers does it for me.
I am "switching" from a gas backup generator to Apollos, (sort of). I have a manual switching system wired in long ago with a transfer box that I will keep for Apollos. I know how it works, plus I will keep the gas generator. I can use the gas generator to charge the Apollo system when needed, plus use the generator anytime the Apollo system might fail.
You cannot charge an Apollo from your wall (electric utility) at the same time you charge it using a gas generator. You can charge with solar at the same time as either of the above.
With a four Apollo system, one or two can fail and the others will get you by. With two DPUs if one fails you are down by 50% and if both fail you are down to zero. Even one Apollo is better than zero.
It's a close choice, and Ben is right. What do you need, what do you want, and what do you want to pay or can afford? Neither system is cheap. I decided before I started this experiment that the idea of it paying for itself over time is a nonexistent issue for me. I want emergency power 1st, 2d, and last. Solar where I live is not the best as it is in AZ, NM, or TX. If you absolutely have to have solar pay for itself, perhaps you should forget it and stick with Edison.
All of the above said, I don't see much wrong with a DPU system if that is your preference.
Finally, If I want a hardwired system I would use Victron components and skip portability. I may yet do that, too, for unused space above my garage. Even so, I want a manual plug in system, not automatic switching. I know how that works and fully understand it. I can do that with any system, portable or Victron. Nothing requires you to hardwire Victron to your house.
All systems have pros and cons------ your choice. Bottom line: Apollos for me.
Thanks, Ben. You explained it well the same as always.
@@minutemanprep - I agree that some people think these systems are easier to hook up, and they are, but only by small degrees over the increasingly easy-to-install modular systems. The new 6000XP from EG4 (Luxpower) is dead simple, very powerful, very scalable, and really much better suited for a whole house solution than anything portable. Plus, it's quite a bit less expensive. You pay a real premium for the largest of the (marginally) portable systems.
@@MotoJB - I can see that working, in very specific situations, but it's a very expensive solution. You could almost buy two stationary systems for the same price, and never have to move anything around.
Thanks for the comparison!
I'd have to vote for the Apollo because one unit does what i want it to do now for less $ than one DP Ultra and I still have the choice of growing the system if circumstances create that need. It also seems that the DP Ultra has some early adopter issues at the moment, but then so did Apollo last year, Hysolis handled the Apollo situation very well as they loaned me one of their MPS3k units while they fixed the issues with the Apollo! Both look like great products!
For me I would Take the Apollo...Just learning about this stuff.Looking to buy a off grid system...Right now I do have a back Generator.It only keeps the lights on.Where is the video on you hooking together 4 Apollo's into split phase.Please let me know where I can fine that.Thanks>:))
Really appreciate the time you put into this video. The only thing I would need 240 for is running my water well. I would choose the EcoFlow. Thanks again.
What up Doe MMP!?
WoW!! Amazing vid, very informative!!
Right now I'm team Ecoflow Ultra because of home backup with added smart panel
Great video. Can you charge these with (2 phase) 208V, while still outputting (split phase) 240V?
Great video, clear, well thought out important information and comparison.
Sorry if this appears twice. Was an OUPES Mega 3 Home Backup & Portable Power Station | 3600W 3072Wh part of your overall test? It appears to be a power horse. Just wondered how it compares with the 2 systems in this video.
I really like both of these units. Thanks to this channel, I've been able to follow both of them for the last year. Thank you Ben!
This video was very well done. They definitely have their pros and cons to fret over. Thank goodness that both of these units are very quiet.
For me, it comes down to the initial costs.
A few times, Ben mentions needing two Apollos to match the Delta Pro Ultra (to start with).
If my goal is to have 12,000 watts running inverter output, 240 volt split phase, and 50 amp service, what will it cost me?
In this case I need to buy two Delta Pro Ultras (non-sale price $11,600) or four Apollos (non sale price $21,980)
Granted that only gives you about 12 kw of battery capacity for the DPU, versus 21.5 kw of battery capacity for the Apollo.
And really, for long term power outages, battery capacity is king.
But that roughly $22,000 for 50 amp service was more than I wanted to pay. $11,600 for delta pro ultras is bad enough.
In addition, I couldn't afford (or have the space for) the amount of panels to recharge 21.5 kw of battery quickly.
I kind of feel like its a repeat of the tortoise and the hare.
The Delta Pro Ultra is the tortoise that gets an awesome head start; but in time, the Apollo (with its overall solar/battery capacity) will catch up and surpass the DPU.
I'm with Ben's conclusion....for home/suburban use, the DPU is the way to go for small-medium setups. Even though I side with the DPU, I still have wandering eyes for the Apollo 😛
Thanks so much for sharing and for watching.
Apollo would fit my needs, I want off grid
great video, but what i didn't hear you talk about is where can these units be placed. Do they have to be in a climate controlled area or can they be in a shed?
Be curious to compare Apollo and the EcoFlow Delta Pro 3...Have heard the 3 isn't as good as the Ultra, so mya just need to go with this great comparison, TY
I'm a rookie when it comes to solar power so I have a question about batteries and safety with these two specific solutions. Do these units need to be installed outside in a separate structure or are they safe to be installed say in a basement next to the pain breaker panel? Any issues with the batteries off-gassing? Great video. Very informative.
Still a LOT of bugs to be worked out on the DPU....and SHP2
I think they've gotten most of them out, but it's hard to say I'm 100% comfortable. But that could be because I'm part of the beta testing and am destined to find those bugs. Overall I think the DPU is awesome.
so 1 Ultra = to 2 Apollo. just looking at amount of space each setup take up is huge. 3-phase 208V is nice to have if needed with the Apollo. The Ultra dose have a longer cable that was available at lunch so I have no idea what he is talking about as that's not an option.
Which one shocks you lol, I’ll wait till Costco has a deal on the ecoflow extended warranty and easy returns.
Which unit.
Question I’m looking to set up the ultra in a RV trailer and Im leaning towards the delta pro ultra but my question is does the ultra have a connection/port to be able to be charged from shore power while still being charged by the panels my idea is to have a roof full of panels but on days/nights when the weather isn’t allowing me to charge or could I use a generator and charge the system off the generator or would the Apollo be a better option with the same scenario
Having someone that speaks English that I can understand is the one I would pick ? I get tired of saying I can’t understand you ? Then they pass you around to different techs ? Gets frustrating…. I agree that these units need to operate out of the box plug and play.
Customer service is really important. Thanks for watching.
What’s your telling us makes it easier for someone to understand solar power how it operates. For back up power.
I'd pick the Ultra. It will allow me to use my Delta Pros with it.
I have found that the ECOFlow support staff are more rude than others. Maybe it’s just me
How can you write off your cost of purchase ecoflow etc? Business/LLC/non-profit?
Will you be reviewing the Titan 240SP?
Not directly, no. I don't like it as a system. I sent out an email to my email subscribers explaining why and Point Zero immediately terminated my contract with them to be a dealer. They don't mind me having negative things to say about other units but with theirs they don't allow it. It's cool the 240SP can do 240v split phase power but it's limited to 4,000w output with no option to expand. There are half of a dozen other systems now that are better in price, output, input, and capacity over the 240SP. I told them as much before they launched the 240SP and recommended they not launch it but rather innovate like they did with the original Titan. Sadly, that didn't happen.
Surviving long-term power outages is one thing while running out of food can spell doom.
Grand Rising ✊🏾 I think this will be a good review.
I would really like to see a comparison of the efficiency with a small load, seeing how much it takes just to keep each inverter turned on.
Vampire current and inverter efficiency for small loads pretty much comes down to inverter size. NONE of the big inverters will do well. Not a single one of them. Smaller is better, bigger is worse. Universal axiom when efficiency and vampire current is a concern.
If small-load efficiency is important you basically want an external battery bank... 24V is best for small loads, and a small inverter connected to it, somewhere in the 500W to 800W range. That will generally have a vampire load of roughly 6W and be super-efficient for small loads. And still be big enough to handle a fridge cycling (for example).
Some people even use little pure-sine-wave 12V "car" inverters, at least for the 100W-300W range. Vampire draw is typically 1-2W but watt-for-watt efficiency is a bit worse for the loads.
Rule of thumb for an inverter, 50% of the inverter size is near the maximum efficiency point of the inverter watt-for-watt for loads.
-Matt
Ben
I bought my first solar unit from you that was a Titan with 3 batteries. Could you update your views on it now. I only need a unit to survive on at my small cabin. Thank you for all you have done to help us understand solar 😅
I'm in the situation... they are running great, but... I'm wondering about how to sell them to get the latest & greatest
The Titan is still a great unit if you only need 120v power. I ran my Titan for over 4 years non-stop and it worked great. I have since upgraded my system at my cabin only because I have added 240v items and want to run them off of battery at night.
I was of the understanding that if a emp went off it would fry all those devices regardless due to the circuit getting fried
I thought the apollo min solar v is 120 vac not 60?
I was about to post this same question. Looking at the specs it says 120 which was basically the only reason I was thinking about going with the ultra. I'm looking for a somewhat portable setup with only a couple panels and didn't think I would be able to do that with 120v input requirement. 4:38
First of all, I really appreciate all the time and effort you put into your videos. I do find them rushed and I have to go back and review what you said. The other issue I had was comparing one unit with two of the other did not make any sense. It should of been one unit compared to the other unit; one to one, not taking one unit and match it with two units of the other. Not a fair comparision and of course the solar and inverter will be increased. I do agree for off grid I would buy the apollo.
Thank you for lettting me know. It was defintely a lot of info to cover and I needed to make sure everyone understood why I ranked each system how I did. I understand it was confusing when I said two units vs one. You need two Apollos for 240v power, which is why the vast majority of people get two Apollos. Since the Delta Pro Ultra already has 240v, the vast majority of people only get one. I was making sure to compare it based on what the vast majority of people are getting. Shortly after that I did mention the difference between 1 vs 1.
Thank you for all the research!! You mentioned EMP, wouldn’t that or a solar event fry these? How would you protect a system this large from an event like that? Too big for a typical faraday bag
A couple solutions are coming to market for EMP protection. Once they're ready, I'll post videos. But for now, they'd be fried in an EMP event.
@minutemanprep Solar storms won't affect these. You need long runs of conductor, which is a grid issue, and not a household issue. (If you have long runs between buildings, it MIGHT have an issue)
Why? Solar storms are low flux, long time, wide area events. The magnetic flux in any small area is, well, small. But, over long runs (like telegraph lines for the Carrington event) the charge buildup can be significant. But in a small area, (like a house) the flux isn't enough to cause any issues. It may interfere with wifi (and DEFINITELY GPS) but nothing wire/conductor related.
Foe the other EMP event, it's VERY high flux, over a wider area, but short duration. A Faraday cage is needed for this.
Being amongst all of these large power banks, have you ever thought about exposure of any kind to your body?
Is that even a thing?
I'm not concerned from what I have seen and studied.
What’s the real price comparison? You need 2 Apollo to 1 D ultra?
Question: will one of these 240v systems power a grid-tied inverter to make it produce and charge the batteries during the day during a grid power outage?
Sadly, no. You need to AC couple batteries to your existing system. I'm happy to help you with that if you'd like. You can email me at info@poweredportablesolar.com
What is solar charge time from 0 to 100% when solar is maxed out?
The DPU limiting solar input to 700W for 3 hours is completely unacceptable. Ecoflow shouldn't be releasing this until it's stable.
Do you think that another important criteria would be cost/watt ?
Excellent presentation Ben. This gives me a lot to think about. At some point I will be running my 1200 sq ft off grid home with one of these or something similar. Thank you.
what's your opinion on the BLUETTI EP900
Very good and I like that it connects with the grid. But I prefer an offgrid setup like the EP800.
Time for a new spreadsheet
It's updated =)
I'll have to go with gysolis! I currently have the most 4500 and living 100% off grid and they have helped me in a couple situations very quickly and friendly! I know the Apollo had a very rough starts(watched that video) butbwith the bugs worked out it seems like the champ, yeah a tad pricier especially if you want the 220 volt but the 6000 charges to the 3600 makes the Apollo better for longevity especially if you want slowly expand. Also can't the battery be replaced in the Apollo itself?
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Has anyone done a video on how clean the power is coming out of any of these
Have you had a problem with delta pro ultra sold by amazon.The q/a:"Is ac pass through possible with 120v input? A: Use the c20 outlet for a bypass mode with a 120v input. There is no bypass mode for 240v input. AC output is turned off at this time"
This technology & market continues to move forward. What is the best today will be surpassed tomorrow; reminds of the PC/CPU days beginning in the 90's where CPU speeds were constantly doubling every year. With that said, which of these should a person buy for the long haul... say 5-10 years of use... maybe more?
Somewhat new to this so forgive me if the answer is so obvious you didn't need to mention it, but how did Hysolis achieve almost twice the lifecycles before degradation than the Eco Flow, while using the same battery technology?
It has to do with the battery capacity and the rated output of the inverter. Basically, it's impossible to discharge the battery really hard which means they never get over-worked, and therefore will last longer.
Thanks for putting this together! We have a mountain home in Colorado and I’m looking for a system to have us off grid. Just need the panels to charge the system and have the manual switch at the box. The Apollo is looking great! I have to find out what our max usage is, but we do have 240V in floor heating. The house is also all electric. So water heater and well boost pump will be a big draw possibly. No AC to worry about though!
Let me see, I'll get 2 Delta pros. I'll get that Delta ultra 2 of those. I'll get there Palo. I'll get the blue Eddie 300. I'll get the blue Eddie. 8 runs at 7600 W. Cause both of those units sound good to me, just like the a C3 100 which won't run everything and I'm not as planning on putting up Delta pro ultra 2 of those machines to everything I just plan to hit those to my most critical loads that the kitchen stove oven the water heater the. Dryer the Delta protwo of those. I'd put on the wash machine. The microwave, the refrigerator a split air conditioning heater 240 V. Or I might use Apollo for that and the Delta or something else, but I would use them for a split air conditioner heater cause I need a few with oz but I was, but I'll just stick my house down into a credit or is like I did when I had solar panels, and I just had. Small inverters, I just did each individual thing like I hooked up that for refrigerator the freezer what a wash machine the dishwasher, and run it that way and then, I could another one through another set of things and hook up another 1 to the delights in the house and plugins..
Sorry, I meant to compare with the newest Oupes Mega 5 Home Backup & Portable Power Station | 4000W 5040Wh
I know I’m being “petty”. However, the Apollo system looks like an 80’s Atari version to the Eco’s PS5.
IMHO, the best power source for long term, WHOLE house, is a natural gas or propane powered 20kw genset.
To be fair, you were using a preproduction unit, so that means you were also using a beta version of the app, which I would make sure you're now using the official version. There is a longer cable coming out for the DPU but both are good systems and I want your DPU batteries lol
Neither for home stationary use. Much better and cheaper options out there in terms of batteries (server rack?) and inverters / charge controllers that also don't lock you into an ecosystem. Going non-All-in-one also allows you to overcome the limitations and tailor to your needs. You are paying for your lack of education and ability to wire the components together by going with either of these units.
unfortunately I can't get solar input unless I literally go out of my building to get to a sunny spot to set the panels out. these 2 systems would be too big for me to get up the stairs into my apartment
Excellent review, thank you
Thanks for watching.
I like the name brand recognition of the Eco-Flow but I would probably go with the Apollo. I say this because I can break it apart for home and remote use as needed.
Amazing. Finally! Thought I saw 8 expansion batteries on the Hysolis. ... Did they have but downgrade?
X FACTOR CONSIDERATIONS:
Some people like the 90° cables of the DPU. And if you only had the one system, you could at least take the Apollo apart and reconfigure for a home and remote location and at least have 120V.
Wow excellent comparison! Can you share the spreadsheet with the data of all the backup modules?! That would be cool to see! Thank you.
I appreciate your detailed review and all your work on this video. My only question is, can you compare the solar panels from both brands?
Great video. I came to similar conclusions. The market is changing more and more. The new Anker actually might be what I get due to how portable it is in comparison plus its way cheaper. For my basic portable needs I can save 3k which allows me to upgrade elsewhere. If I wanted off grid with rare portable needs then Apollo would be the choice. I think for my off grid set up I am going with a Schneider XW Pro inverter and get the Anker to be able to wheel it around to other parts of the property. Its a shame the Apollo couldnt be more portable because I really like it's specs. Ankers PV input is its biggest limitation but to run some saws and battery charging it would be ok.
Great job on the video. I must say the footprint (compactness) of the DPU and that it’s totally portable (comes with wheels) and can be hauled to remote locations with the hand cart/dolly, was, in my opinion, totally overlooked. That is so huuuge to be able to wheel your charging station to wherever you have a need.
That said, your analysis and great video quality and editing are outstanding!
Mannnnnn! Great video.We just started installing solar this year and getting into solar powered generators. I'm always looking for the best and most economical choices for my customers and I appreciate videos like this. I heard you briefly touch on generator integration with the Apollo but not the Ultra - or I missed it. I was all Ecoflow till this video, and still am for home standby or back up power, but a lot to think about. Thanks for sharing
In your battery category, you should compare the price per kwh not just wattage if you want to be truly judicious in your comparisons 😊
the never can have solar guy here. virtually no videos for that type of of customer that i’ve seen. ben, which of these would you pick for someone that will be recharging it with a dual fuel generator, if a prolonged outage? please do a video for no solar people please. thanks!
Have you done a comparison on the natures generator?
I haven't, becaus it's lead-acid. Lead-acid is dead. It's not a reliable system with that battery tech.
would you say the Anker Solix F3800 would be comparable to these units , I'm currently looking for something for a cabin totally off grid, really appreciate the info and time you took to make this video
Very interesting, the issue you mentioned at 23:45 is also with Delta Pro (the version before Ultra), so it seems like EcoFlow is struggling to fix this issue
Once ecoflow gets their act together with regards to their support, I'd reconsider but until then, no way would i purchase another unit from them. Their support is horrendous to say the least.