Seen someone post a puzzle clown on insta the other day but cant find it now 🤦♂️. Definitely crazy outcome for this project hope someone makes a combo that brings it to life. 😊
I hatched 8 ball phyton late last year. Pairing was Leopard 66% clown/puzzel female from JKobelka to male leopard 100% het clown/puzzel. Half of the babies look puzzle, but the patterns look clown. I have been wanting to send the shed. Im hoping to send the female shed and a few of the babies soon.
As far as disappointing pairings, literally the whole bel complex. Dont get me wrong, bels are cool, but what would like a mystic bamboo look like if you got the darkening and contrast on a bamboo vs a white snake??
It’s interesting that all the ones tested were Leopards. I’ve noticed that even though Freeway Clowns generally look VERY different to Clowns that aren’t Freeway, when Leopard is present, they kinda just look like Leopard Clowns. So I wonder if the Leopard is playing a part in hiding the Puzzle here? Although surely not all of Justin’s other possible Puzzle Clowns were Leopards… Could it be that even though Puzzle and Clown are not allelic, they are affecting the development of the snake in a similar way, and are therefore affecting the pattern similarly too? And maybe the Clown just has the greater effect, so the Puzzle Clown just looks like a Clown? Like, just as an example, say you had a morph that maybe makes the dark patterns on the snake absolutely pitch black. And you have another morph that makes the dark bits pretty dark, but not quite black. If you put them together, maybe you have a snake with really black dark patterning - but it would look the same as just the first morph on its own, because you can’t get any darker than solid black - it was already as dark as it gets. Idk if that really made sense - it’s late here and I’m tired and really struggling to articulate my ideas, haha.
Yes, that does make sense, and could certainly be true! We will see over time as we see how more combos turn out! I’d imagine there will be some combos that will be amazing!!!
Go at it with this kind of thought. Spider X cypress increases influence for this example where as blackhead covers it up but all are allelic. Cryptic X clown you have an interaction which Cryptic vs crypton they don't stand out but you still have something visually different than the clown & that you'll see clowns. Now puzzle X clown clown trumps the puzzle but breed the animal & will you pass on puzzle and clown equally.
I love your videos, always with interesting information. I learn a lot with you. Thank you!!!!
Thanks so much for your kind words, we appreciate it very much!!!
It just gets me in the feels Anytime someone says Visual.. 😁 But anyways thanks for sharing...
I'm surprised there is not more of a visual impact with a puzzle/clown. Don't know what I was expecting, though.
It will be interesting to see if leopard over powers it…we shall see if other combos are more obvious!
I liked your comment bcuz you said Visual.. lol
That was a gorgeous leopard clown. ❤
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Always interesting 🤔
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Seen someone post a puzzle clown on insta the other day but cant find it now 🤦♂️. Definitely crazy outcome for this project hope someone makes a combo that brings it to life. 😊
💯!!! Me too! I’m sure there will be some combos that will make the double visual pop!
I hatched 8 ball phyton late last year. Pairing was Leopard 66% clown/puzzel female from JKobelka to male leopard 100% het clown/puzzel. Half of the babies look puzzle, but the patterns look clown. I have been wanting to send the shed. Im hoping to send the female shed and a few of the babies soon.
Very cool clutch! I look forward to running them, and have you posted pics anywhere?
Do you think the ones Justin shared w Cryptic had more going in w them?
Not sure yet. For sure need more data, that was an unexpected result for sure!
As far as disappointing pairings, literally the whole bel complex. Dont get me wrong, bels are cool, but what would like a mystic bamboo look like if you got the darkening and contrast on a bamboo vs a white snake??
Yes, very true. I’d love to see darkening and contrast over a white snake any day!!!
It’s interesting that all the ones tested were Leopards. I’ve noticed that even though Freeway Clowns generally look VERY different to Clowns that aren’t Freeway, when Leopard is present, they kinda just look like Leopard Clowns. So I wonder if the Leopard is playing a part in hiding the Puzzle here? Although surely not all of Justin’s other possible Puzzle Clowns were Leopards…
Could it be that even though Puzzle and Clown are not allelic, they are affecting the development of the snake in a similar way, and are therefore affecting the pattern similarly too? And maybe the Clown just has the greater effect, so the Puzzle Clown just looks like a Clown? Like, just as an example, say you had a morph that maybe makes the dark patterns on the snake absolutely pitch black. And you have another morph that makes the dark bits pretty dark, but not quite black. If you put them together, maybe you have a snake with really black dark patterning - but it would look the same as just the first morph on its own, because you can’t get any darker than solid black - it was already as dark as it gets.
Idk if that really made sense - it’s late here and I’m tired and really struggling to articulate my ideas, haha.
Yes, that does make sense, and could certainly be true! We will see over time as we see how more combos turn out! I’d imagine there will be some combos that will be amazing!!!
I think this project needs spotnose and yb
Yes, I think those would be great to add!!!
Or even hurricane and confusion
Go at it with this kind of thought. Spider X cypress increases influence for this example where as blackhead covers it up but all are allelic.
Cryptic X clown you have an interaction which Cryptic vs crypton they don't stand out but you still have something visually different than the clown & that you'll see clowns. Now puzzle X clown clown trumps the puzzle but breed the animal & will you pass on puzzle and clown equally.
Very true!!!
It's kind of a shame that clown overpowers puzzle so much tho... cuz puzzle > clown lol
In this combo for sure…we will what other combos do over time!
How disappointing... Puzzle and clown together looks like a clown, nothing more or less, it seems.
We shall see if other combos turn out better…🤞🤞