I have the first generation LEAF, and it is the best car I have EVER owned, (and I have had 13 ICE cars). Costs nothing to own... no maintenance, and I charge for free at work. Doesn't get much better than that. I'm tempted to get this new gen LEAF, but there is nothing wrong with my old one... I think the thing will last forever.
Nicole Val If the range on your current Leaf is good enough for your commute and other needs, you should consider keeping it for as long as it runs well. Costs of living keep going up, and it makes good financial sense to spend what would otherwise go towards a car payment to either a) pay for increased costs of living, or b) pay off credit card debt.
8:53 "don't need capability that often", correct, but also remember that batteries degrade over time and starting off with an excessively large range will mean a sufficient range can be achieved for a longer period of time.
The future is definitely leaning towards green vehicles. With so many options out right now and the Tesla model 3 being heavy in demand, all signs lead to hybrids and all electric vehicles. Great video! Thanks you!
I have a 2017 Leaf SV and it's fun to see how much of my Leaf's interior items are carried over! Navi, handles, buttons, shifter, etc. are all familiar and unchanged.
Great review, as always. There's a lot to like about this car . . . Nissan is clearly spending generous R&D, and it shows. The forthcoming SL model, with its' greater range, will be their icing on the cake. Also, compact hatchbacks (that can truly seat five people) make popular UBER & Lyft vehicles.
I cant believe it still doesn't have a thermal management system, honestly that is a real deal killer to anyone who lives in California or a hot environment. We get summers of 115F and its 10-15F hotter on the asphalt at least, how do they think that will affect the battery longevity??? The residuals are going to be terrible just like the first gen. These will be fantastic leases, but only a fool would buy one of these outright.
I drove one this weekend. I was very impressed. It comes off as a car. It seems a bit bigger than the Bolt. The seat and headroom for the driver is better. The one I drove had a power seat. It handled well, had good acceleration. It was an impressive machine. All in all, in terms of creature comforts, it is better than the Bolt. As far as the Model 3 is concerned, I have never been able to drive or even sit in one. So, I can't comment about it other than to say the competition is coming
I live in south Florida, where summer temps are brutal; no way I would get an electric car without an active thermal battery system (I.e. liquid cooled system). Active systems are used in GM, BMW, and Tesla cars, and they hold battery temp very well down here. The battery pack sits at the bottom of car, less than 2 feet from a sizzling road surface in the summer.
Tom, you always do a great review. There seem to be a lot of nice features in these cars but you've didn't seem overly impressed. Maybe I just misread your take on it.
I'm fine with the Leaf but lack of liquid cooling is a concern that many people have with the car. Not an issue in the upper band of the US or Canada. This is an especially good deal used.
Charging stations don't exist where I live outside at the dealership. I've never seen one. Im looking into an electric car for my work commute of around 30 miles a day so mileage anxiety isn't that much of an issue with no charge stations.
Great review, Tom. You touched on what is preventing me from exploring evs - the interiors just aren't that nice. Would putting another grand into the interior really make it too expensive? That's where we spend our time.
I have to agree about the hard plastic interior, it is a major turnoff. We own an 87 Camry LE and it has a better interior in a number of ways. Another issue is the depreciation, it makes more sense to wait until the technology matures and charging standards evolve and unify.
We'll see if the 60kWh version lacks active thermal battery management. Because it'll use a completely different battery I think it will have the same system as the Bolt and likely the upcoming Kia Niro ev using LG Chem components. Tesla also includes active thermal management. And one other - Nissan in the newest NV200ev 40 kWh van. Same battery as the new Leaf but what gives?
Wow the huge suspension (?) bulges in the trunk really cut down space. And why no flat load floor when you fold the seats like in the Bolt? (I know, the batteries, but others have solved this problem- most Nissans and Renaults worldwide feature a variable-height load floor under the rear hatch). Also, why is there a transmission tunnel to limit foot-well space for the middle rear seat? The packaging here is pretty poor. I recall sitting in a 1st gen Leaf at a car show and loved the dead-flat passenger area floor. It seems that is gone. Put the batteries completely UNDER the car like the Tesla. Duh.
"Very, very small usage case" - tell this to those Texans and Arizonians, whose Leafs lose like half of the capacity because of overheating. On VW GTI the electric fan cools off the turbo when the engine stops, but on the Leaf the battery will not be cooled after the car stops. Also, that subwoofer in the trunk? Really subtle, Nissan, high class. And the tablet in the center console is way too slow. BTW Tom, I wonder with what did you shoot this time, the video seems to have a tad lower resolution, and the sky is blown out despite the overcast weather.
You travel all the way down to the desert and it rains? I do question if a battery powered car would be the best choice for me as I live in the Phoenix area. Day after day of 110* heat, can the battery handle that?
Louis Miller in that environment I would go with an EV that has active thermal management for the battery. Sadly the leaf doesn’t, I know that Tesla and GM EVs use active thermal management, not sure who else does.
You might hop on some Leaf forums and ask what other in your area are experiencing with 2016-2017 Leafs. I understand the value of an active cooling system but considering Nissan backs the battery pack with a solid warranty, it's a fairly good bet they know what they're doing. Replacing hundreds of batteries in the sunbelt would get prohibitively expensive.
Definitely not. For one thing, battery life will be greatly reduced with the a/c on full blast to counter the summer heat. This is one thing the EV cars don't tell you about. Folks who live in climates where it's only needed once in a while aren't too much impacted, but when it's still 98 degrees at 2am in Phoenix, you know your a/c unit is one of the greatest gifts in the world to allow humans to survive in such heat. That 150 mile range will easily drop to 100. Notice how they are trying to fool folks by having the car in Las Vegas - well guess what, in January the daytime temps are in the 50s there.
I'm confused about the DC Quick Charge port. At 3:15, it's said that SV and SL models get a Quick Charge port. The dealer tells me that the S model also includes Quick Charge. Can anyone confirm? PS - I'm in Canada if that makes a difference
Yup, it does make a difference in Canada. And according to the nissan.ca website your salesperson is correct, all get the quick charge port in the Great White North.
From what i know in the us. The s model does not come standard with quick charge. The sv and sl do. In the s model you can get a package which includes the quick charge port
BMW i3 has had this Technology Since 2014 : Regen-Braking in 3 modes (Comfort,Eco,Eco+ and Friction Braking if battery if in high state of charge done autonomously) i3 is a more expensive vehicle due to Carbon Reinforced Plastic construction, light weight and zero metal body panels to go rusty and interior. The Pro-Pilot concept I think is a gimmick and people will want to have hands always in wheel and it's annoying to be prompted every 1-2 mins to hand on again " I think the outgoing model looks MUCH BETTER and Space-Age design will prove Nissan had it right, right from the start > they succumbed to public pressure to blend in more, main stream, with the design which in time will prove they were wrong : They should have stayed strong to being bold and standing out with a good EV design : generation one design
"High Ambient Temperature effects battery life." So, say Las Vegas, Anywhere in Arizona or New Mexico, most of California... You know, those places where the temperature sits in the 100F range for a couple MONTHS? Typical Nissan and it's Renault partnership thinking the world is like France and Japan.
No thermal battery management = no go in warm and hot climates. Why did they omit this to save money? It’s like making an ICE car with a seriously undersize radiator, just dumb. Apart from fast charge problems even in cold climates, this car will have major battery overheat problems in hotter climates, which means battery degradation.
It's smart NOT to drive and make videos. Thanks, Tia! You have made the world safer for the rest of us. Most of the other knucklehead reviewers drive and talk - THAT'S DISTRACTED DRIVING! Wes Cooley at CNET is a prime example.
3D Motor Maker how do you get forth generation? A generation change is characterized by a redesign from the ground up and as such changes to the power plant/battery or exterior panels without changing the frame underneath doesn’t constitute a new generation but rather a mid cycle refresh (assuming body panels were changed to alter the cars appearance).
Ari Spelius no it's not that's the most stupid thing I have heared. Built from the ground up is called a new car. Leaf 2018 is a new car. When you change an existing car it's called a revision.
3D Motor Maker you might disagree with the terminology used, but this is the industry standard (specifically in the marketing department) here is a good wiki article on this (most relevant information is in the subsection titled model years): en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_model
The problem here is that all the people who have the original 2011-12 leaf (even the dealers) have always called it a generation 1, generation 2 gave the the new heat pump better battery chemistry and other refinements, generation 3 gave us the 30kWh battery. If we go by the 'generation' theme then the new leaf 2018 is either the 4th generation, or its a new car all together. You can't quote Wikipedia as its written by anyone, and is not usually accredited as a source of evidence.
Car is pretty ugly from the front view. 150 miles makes sense for me, but only at a reduced price. I used to charging my Volt overnight, every night, and I get about 40 miles on a charge, with no range anxiety due to a gas motor backup charger. I like the Leaf's auto safety features, but I want them built-in and not optional.
I don't like cheap electric cars, and frankly the Leaf is one of the worst, but electric cars have come so far. The thing is though non-car people should buy these. They're cost-effective, way more attractive now, and a great option for people who hate cars! This car is important whether you like it or not.
yeah, right, whatever, i'm an old dog, no need to learn new tricks! i'll pass until the range increases and the charge time decreases, until then i'll pony up the $3.50 a gallon and drive on - sorry
Hehe this thing cost more than a freezing Audi in my country if it was cheeper hell yes and even worse Nissan what so ever doesn't provide any support no warrenty nothing your drive terrain fails or battery fails your stranded.
"Not even Tesla has a sumptuous interior". Really, Tom? Have you driven a recent Model S or X? Certainly, if your definition of luxury includes lots of button and knobs, then Tesla doesn't satisfy that definition, however, Tesla's cabin materials are now very good. Leather is extremely soft, the Alcantara headliner is "sumptuous", and the UI is best in class by far. Interesting that you've never tested a Tesla. That seems to show a bias against them.
Why do these conversations devolve to the "bias" level? I have nothing against Tesla and hope that it does well for the sake of the electric car industry. Because its Teslas choice, the last press car I had was a Roadster (and that's after the PR person called me to say it was the best review she had seen of it). I have friends and neighbors that own the S and X. I'm familiar with them. I like the exterior design of the S and 3. The interiors, even the most recent ones are not impressive to me even though I love minimalist design. Look at an S Class or Audi Q7 and compare the craftsmanship and detail. It's my opinion that Tesla doesn't measure up there.
I agree that the S-class and A8 interiors are marginally nicer than my X, but frankly, I think Audi’s quality has degraded a bit relative to switch gear (my wife drives a 2018 Q5). That said, it’s hard to compare Tesla to either car given that Tesla’s are devoid of switchgear, and what little they have is actually most sourced from MB. I would say that Tesla has really improved on material quality and you can’t even begin to compare the UI for either MB or Audi, both of which pale in comparison. Using MMI in my wife’s Audi always reminds me just how much better Tesla is. Finally, you just can’t compare Nissan quality to Tesla quality. That’s what really rubbed me the wrong way.
That line was a bit of an off script ad lib, I wasn't comparing Tesla to Nissan, just that Tesla wasn't sumptuous. I understand how that could be misunderstood. I'll agree with you that MBs COMAND can be a bit obtuse. Tesla's user interface layout is good. I'm interested in the 3s, curious how everything on a touchscreen works out in real life.
I have a Model 3 on order. I was invited to config, but waiting for AWD. If Tesla doesn't offer one to you, come to NJ and you are welcome to drive mine once it arrives. Word is that AWD should be starting production this spring.
More practical was a reference to the older Leaf. I liked how the Bolt drove, but the interior was worse than a Leaf. The Bolt seats are small and really stiff.
I have a leaf and will never buy a Bolt! I charged more than 2 times faster and is more confortable with more space. It takes 90+ minutes to charge a Bolt to 80% I do it in less than 20 minutes. Also I way cheaper with better technology.
What criticism would you like? I said it's not terribly fast overall, the interior won't wow anyone, the range is less than Bolt and that the battery doesn't have an active cooling system. Other than that, it's improved and a pretty nice electric car for the price.
Elder pier I think the metric you are getting at is cost per mile of range (MSRP/EPA rated range) the long range Model 3 has the lowest cost per mile, followed by the Bolt EV, then the short range Model 3. I would have to check but I believe that the new Leaf takes fourth place for affordability per mile of range. Please note that I have not examined FCEV (Fuel Cell Electric Vehicles) as they gain an increase in range by increasing the hydrogen tank capacity rather then increasing their lithium ion battery size (yes they still use batteries, they are kind of like a hybrid car where the fuel cell stack takes the roll of the engine).
They become very attractive when the government drops the fuel subsidies! www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/may/18/fossil-fuel-companies-getting-10m-a-minute-in-subsidies-says-imf
I have the first generation LEAF, and it is the best car I have EVER owned, (and I have had 13 ICE cars). Costs nothing to own... no maintenance, and I charge for free at work. Doesn't get much better than that. I'm tempted to get this new gen LEAF, but there is nothing wrong with my old one... I think the thing will last forever.
Mike K don’t know why more people don’t understand this. Maybe they want to keep paying for gas and maintenance!
I agree. I own a 2015 leaf I love it. I test drove the Chevy bolt the other day and it’s nice but I will keep my leaf one more year until 2019.
Nicole Val If the range on your current Leaf is good enough for your commute and other needs, you should consider keeping it for as long as it runs well. Costs of living keep going up, and it makes good financial sense to spend what would otherwise go towards a car payment to either a) pay for increased costs of living, or b) pay off credit card debt.
8:53 "don't need capability that often", correct, but also remember that batteries degrade over time and starting off with an excessively large range will mean a sufficient range can be achieved for a longer period of time.
The future is definitely leaning towards green vehicles. With so many options out right now and the Tesla model 3 being heavy in demand, all signs lead to hybrids and all electric vehicles. Great video! Thanks you!
Always a pleasant experience watching your review.
I’ve always liked your press launch videos with the manufacturer representative discussing the benefits of the vehicle.
I have a 2017 Leaf SV and it's fun to see how much of my Leaf's interior items are carried over! Navi, handles, buttons, shifter, etc. are all familiar and unchanged.
Great Review Tom. This car is nicely improved over the first gen inside & out.
Great review like always Tom! Good Job!!!
The car is great but Its Tia thats gorgeous.
Love the cutaway shots at 2:50
great review, Tia is very pretty. looking forward to your future reviews with Tia.
Great review, as always. There's a lot to like about this car . . . Nissan is clearly spending generous R&D, and it shows. The forthcoming SL model, with its' greater range, will be their icing on the cake. Also, compact hatchbacks (that can truly seat five people) make popular UBER & Lyft vehicles.
The overpass B roll shot of interstate 5 was a lovely touch!
Can't wait for your Model 3 review as well Tom.. :)
I cant believe it still doesn't have a thermal management system, honestly that is a real deal killer to anyone who lives in California or a hot environment. We get summers of 115F and its 10-15F hotter on the asphalt at least, how do they think that will affect the battery longevity??? The residuals are going to be terrible just like the first gen. These will be fantastic leases, but only a fool would buy one of these outright.
Tia has a lovely smile.
I drove one this weekend. I was very impressed. It comes off as a car. It seems a bit bigger than the Bolt. The seat and headroom for the driver is better. The one I drove had a power seat. It handled well, had good acceleration. It was an impressive machine. All in all, in terms of creature comforts, it is better than the Bolt. As far as the Model 3 is concerned, I have never been able to drive or even sit in one. So, I can't comment about it other than to say the competition is coming
I live in south Florida, where summer temps are brutal; no way I would get an electric car without an active thermal battery system (I.e. liquid cooled system). Active systems are used in GM, BMW, and Tesla cars, and they hold battery temp very well down here. The battery pack sits at the bottom of car, less than 2 feet from a sizzling road surface in the summer.
Translation about the range: we cut corners and didn't count on gm competing and now we're playing catch up.
headcas620 that is the Nissan way
Tom, you always do a great review. There seem to be a lot of nice features in these cars but you've didn't seem overly impressed. Maybe I just misread your take on it.
I'm fine with the Leaf but lack of liquid cooling is a concern that many people have with the car. Not an issue in the upper band of the US or Canada. This is an especially good deal used.
Charging stations don't exist where I live outside at the dealership. I've never seen one. Im looking into an electric car for my work commute of around 30 miles a day so mileage anxiety isn't that much of an issue with no charge stations.
Great review, Tom. You touched on what is preventing me from exploring evs - the interiors just aren't that nice. Would putting another grand into the interior really make it too expensive? That's where we spend our time.
I have to agree about the hard plastic interior, it is a major turnoff. We own an 87 Camry LE and it has a better interior in a number of ways. Another issue is the depreciation, it makes more sense to wait until the technology matures and charging standards evolve and unify.
Hard plastic is superior. It's more durable, easier to keep clean and it looks better.
HI TIA!
I do so when I buy all my cars. Just thought it would help everyone out while there doing there research on utube.
We'll see if the 60kWh version lacks active thermal battery management. Because it'll use a completely different battery I think it will have the same system as the Bolt and likely the upcoming Kia Niro ev using LG Chem components. Tesla also includes active thermal management. And one other - Nissan in the newest NV200ev 40 kWh van. Same battery as the new Leaf but what gives?
that LEAF looks so good that i think they should add Hybrid Gas/EV as additional choice
The new Nissan Micra is going to look very similar, perhaps even a little sharper. Dig around on google for the euro Micra for a peek.
Wow the huge suspension (?) bulges in the trunk really cut down space. And why no flat load floor when you fold the seats like in the Bolt? (I know, the batteries, but others have solved this problem- most Nissans and Renaults worldwide feature a variable-height load floor under the rear hatch). Also, why is there a transmission tunnel to limit foot-well space for the middle rear seat? The packaging here is pretty poor. I recall sitting in a 1st gen Leaf at a car show and loved the dead-flat passenger area floor. It seems that is gone. Put the batteries completely UNDER the car like the Tesla. Duh.
Why does no one ever show a full set of golf clubs in the back with out putting sown the back set ????????????????
Because I'm a runner, not a golfer.
Love the new Leaf ;-)
One pedal? I am guessing that means no brake pedal. What happens if you have to make an emergency stop? That is to prevent a rear ender?
There is a brake pedal. In normal driving mode you do use the brake pedal to stop. It is only in e-pedal mode that you (mostly) don't need to use it.
Get a drone Tom, would make for some awesome driving footage!!!
EvoLuZioN_PR He had one last year. It got stuck in a tree.
I don't bring my drone on trips. I also don't use it in neighborhoods.
Driven Car Reviews Hi Tom. Will you be reviewing the 2018 Honda Accord?
"Very, very small usage case" - tell this to those Texans and Arizonians, whose Leafs lose like half of the capacity because of overheating. On VW GTI the electric fan cools off the turbo when the engine stops, but on the Leaf the battery will not be cooled after the car stops. Also, that subwoofer in the trunk? Really subtle, Nissan, high class. And the tablet in the center console is way too slow. BTW Tom, I wonder with what did you shoot this time, the video seems to have a tad lower resolution, and the sky is blown out despite the overcast weather.
I shot every frame. My cameras profile is set up for the Pacific Northwest, not the dessert.
PEHB Cars are the Future. Oil is not going away. when are you going to review the
Mitsubishi Outlander
PEHB?
More Tia, she's gorgeous!
You travel all the way down to the desert and it rains? I do question if a battery powered car would be the best choice for me as I live in the Phoenix area. Day after day of 110* heat, can the battery handle that?
Louis Miller in that environment I would go with an EV that has active thermal management for the battery. Sadly the leaf doesn’t, I know that Tesla and GM EVs use active thermal management, not sure who else does.
You might hop on some Leaf forums and ask what other in your area are experiencing with 2016-2017 Leafs. I understand the value of an active cooling system but considering Nissan backs the battery pack with a solid warranty, it's a fairly good bet they know what they're doing. Replacing hundreds of batteries in the sunbelt would get prohibitively expensive.
Definitely not. For one thing, battery life will be greatly reduced with the a/c on full blast to counter the summer heat. This is one thing the EV cars don't tell you about. Folks who live in climates where it's only needed once in a while aren't too much impacted, but when it's still 98 degrees at 2am in Phoenix, you know your a/c unit is one of the greatest gifts in the world to allow humans to survive in such heat. That 150 mile range will easily drop to 100. Notice how they are trying to fool folks by having the car in Las Vegas - well guess what, in January the daytime temps are in the 50s there.
People should not live in places where it is 98F at 2am.
Agreed.
I'm confused about the DC Quick Charge port. At 3:15, it's said that SV and SL models get a Quick Charge port. The dealer tells me that the S model also includes Quick Charge. Can anyone confirm? PS - I'm in Canada if that makes a difference
Yup, it does make a difference in Canada. And according to the nissan.ca website your salesperson is correct, all get the quick charge port in the Great White North.
Driven Car Reviews Fantastic! Thank you for letting me know.
From what i know in the us. The s model does not come standard with quick charge. The sv and sl do. In the s model you can get a package which includes the quick charge port
Looks good
How does Nissan define excessive capacity loss?
Do you also do the commercial of home hardware?!!
That screen is soooooo slowwwwww. Looks good though
That bigger battery is going to eat up that cargo area & I wonder where the poorly placed sub woofer will go?
you can't trust evil twins in Vegas, I'm a bad example, I spend 80% of my time in Vegas drinking and gambling, when I'm not walking or sleeping.
YOUR SUPPOSED TO HELP US ALLL A LOT MORE GOLFERS I BET WOMEN AND MEN, WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF A FULL GOLF BAG AND CLUBS WILL FIT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH
It take a village William. I don't own clubs. Maybe you could drag yours to a Nissan dealership and let us know how it works out? Thanks!
I prefer getting a hybrid. I can go over 300 to 500 miles without charging.
BMW i3 has had this Technology Since 2014 : Regen-Braking in 3 modes (Comfort,Eco,Eco+ and Friction Braking if battery if in high state of charge done autonomously) i3 is a more expensive vehicle due to Carbon Reinforced Plastic construction, light weight and zero metal body panels to go rusty and interior. The Pro-Pilot concept I think is a gimmick and people will want to have hands always in wheel and it's annoying to be prompted every 1-2 mins to hand on again "
I think the outgoing model looks MUCH BETTER and Space-Age design will prove Nissan had it right, right from the start > they succumbed to public pressure to blend in more, main stream, with the design which in time will prove they were wrong : They should have stayed strong to being bold and standing out with a good EV design : generation one design
First... great review as always
but... with the leaf, you get more for your money$$
I buy toilet paper by the year, You should have dropped by my house !!!!!!
Well, time was short.
"High Ambient Temperature effects battery life." So, say Las Vegas, Anywhere in Arizona or New Mexico, most of California... You know, those places where the temperature sits in the 100F range for a couple MONTHS?
Typical Nissan and it's Renault partnership thinking the world is like France and Japan.
0 to 60, 9 to 10 Second, model 3 only take 5.2.
Interior desirability is the issue here. I’ve seen nicer pickups. Nissan not making the most of their narrow lead, like they have no ambition.
No thermal battery management = no go in warm and hot climates. Why did they omit this to save money?
It’s like making an ICE car with a seriously undersize radiator, just dumb.
Apart from fast charge problems even in cold climates, this car will have major battery overheat problems in hotter climates, which means battery degradation.
It's smart NOT to drive and make videos. Thanks, Tia! You have made the world safer for the rest of us. Most of the other knucklehead reviewers drive and talk - THAT'S DISTRACTED DRIVING! Wes Cooley at CNET is a prime example.
Its actually a 4th generation leaf. you should call it either the 2018 or 'new shape' leaf.
3D Motor Maker how do you get forth generation? A generation change is characterized by a redesign from the ground up and as such changes to the power plant/battery or exterior panels without changing the frame underneath doesn’t constitute a new generation but rather a mid cycle refresh (assuming body panels were changed to alter the cars appearance).
No. It's a second generation.
Ari Spelius no it's not that's the most stupid thing I have heared. Built from the ground up is called a new car. Leaf 2018 is a new car. When you change an existing car it's called a revision.
3D Motor Maker you might disagree with the terminology used, but this is the industry standard (specifically in the marketing department) here is a good wiki article on this (most relevant information is in the subsection titled model years):
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_model
The problem here is that all the people who have the original 2011-12 leaf (even the dealers) have always called it a generation 1, generation 2 gave the the new heat pump better battery chemistry and other refinements, generation 3 gave us the 30kWh battery. If we go by the 'generation' theme then the new leaf 2018 is either the 4th generation, or its a new car all together. You can't quote Wikipedia as its written by anyone, and is not usually accredited as a source of evidence.
Car is pretty ugly from the front view. 150 miles makes sense for me, but only at a reduced price. I used to charging my Volt overnight, every night, and I get about 40 miles on a charge, with no range anxiety due to a gas motor backup charger. I like the Leaf's auto safety features, but I want them built-in and not optional.
johnny mars 40 miles a day on a 150 mile charge sounds good to me! No gas!
Hmm if Tesla could roll out thier 35000 model at good volumes they can literally kill nissan
I don't like cheap electric cars, and frankly the Leaf is one of the worst, but electric cars have come so far. The thing is though non-car people should buy these. They're cost-effective, way more attractive now, and a great option for people who hate cars! This car is important whether you like it or not.
yeah, right, whatever, i'm an old dog, no need to learn new tricks! i'll pass until the range increases and the charge time decreases, until then i'll pony up the $3.50 a gallon and drive on - sorry
Hehe this thing cost more than a freezing Audi in my country if it was cheeper hell yes and even worse Nissan what so ever doesn't provide any support no warrenty nothing your drive terrain fails or battery fails your stranded.
I quite like it lol
"Not even Tesla has a sumptuous interior". Really, Tom? Have you driven a recent Model S or X? Certainly, if your definition of luxury includes lots of button and knobs, then Tesla doesn't satisfy that definition, however, Tesla's cabin materials are now very good. Leather is extremely soft, the Alcantara headliner is "sumptuous", and the UI is best in class by far. Interesting that you've never tested a Tesla. That seems to show a bias against them.
Why do these conversations devolve to the "bias" level? I have nothing against Tesla and hope that it does well for the sake of the electric car industry. Because its Teslas choice, the last press car I had was a Roadster (and that's after the PR person called me to say it was the best review she had seen of it). I have friends and neighbors that own the S and X. I'm familiar with them.
I like the exterior design of the S and 3. The interiors, even the most recent ones are not impressive to me even though I love minimalist design. Look at an S Class or Audi Q7 and compare the craftsmanship and detail. It's my opinion that Tesla doesn't measure up there.
I agree that the S-class and A8 interiors are marginally nicer than my X, but frankly, I think Audi’s quality has degraded a bit relative to switch gear (my wife drives a 2018 Q5). That said, it’s hard to compare Tesla to either car given that Tesla’s are devoid of switchgear, and what little they have is actually most sourced from MB. I would say that Tesla has really improved on material quality and you can’t even begin to compare the UI for either MB or Audi, both of which pale in comparison. Using MMI in my wife’s Audi always reminds me just how much better Tesla is. Finally, you just can’t compare Nissan quality to Tesla quality. That’s what really rubbed me the wrong way.
That line was a bit of an off script ad lib, I wasn't comparing Tesla to Nissan, just that Tesla wasn't sumptuous. I understand how that could be misunderstood.
I'll agree with you that MBs COMAND can be a bit obtuse. Tesla's user interface layout is good. I'm interested in the 3s, curious how everything on a touchscreen works out in real life.
I have a Model 3 on order. I was invited to config, but waiting for AWD. If Tesla doesn't offer one to you, come to NJ and you are welcome to drive mine once it arrives. Word is that AWD should be starting production this spring.
The Tesla costs twice as much as the Nissan Leaf. And yes, a Mercedes has a better interior than an Impala.
“It’s more practical” o_O so having a car with less range than the 200+ Bolt is more practical? Give me a break!
Sam herreria couldn't agree more. This leaf is not impressive
More practical was a reference to the older Leaf. I liked how the Bolt drove, but the interior was worse than a Leaf. The Bolt seats are small and really stiff.
I have a leaf and will never buy a Bolt! I charged more than 2 times faster and is more confortable with more space. It takes 90+ minutes to charge a Bolt to 80% I do it in less than 20 minutes. Also I way cheaper with better technology.
I'm curious, which electric car impresses you at 30K Blake?
In Canada the costs are,
Entry level Leaf $35k (21k)
Entry level Bolt $43k (29k)
Entry level Tesla 3 $48k (34k)
Then take $14k in incentives off.
Gotta love better electric cars!
3X as much?
Also, where is the criticism?
Paid by Nissan?
What criticism would you like? I said it's not terribly fast overall, the interior won't wow anyone, the range is less than Bolt and that the battery doesn't have an active cooling system. Other than that, it's improved and a pretty nice electric car for the price.
$31K for 150 miles
$56K for 310 miles
Elder pier I think the metric you are getting at is cost per mile of range (MSRP/EPA rated range) the long range Model 3 has the lowest cost per mile, followed by the Bolt EV, then the short range Model 3. I would have to check but I believe that the new Leaf takes fourth place for affordability per mile of range. Please note that I have not examined FCEV (Fuel Cell Electric Vehicles) as they gain an increase in range by increasing the hydrogen tank capacity rather then increasing their lithium ion battery size (yes they still use batteries, they are kind of like a hybrid car where the fuel cell stack takes the roll of the engine).
These entry level EVs are not attractive without incentives. Meaning they cannot be successful without help.
They become very attractive when the government drops the fuel subsidies!
www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/may/18/fossil-fuel-companies-getting-10m-a-minute-in-subsidies-says-imf
These electric cars just look too wimpy.
This car is a joke.
Why?
pianopeach Mileage, price, less then stellar interior, exterior is alright I guess.