In defense of Hellkite Overlord, it was one of the first mythics ever printed and back then, mythics served a different purpose rather than just being a way to shoehorn expensive staples to drive sales. In addition, you really were not supposed to cast the mythics from alara. You were supposed to use their heralds to cheat them into play from your library. Every alara wedge has an 8 mana mythic bomb creature, and an associated common herald that lets you sacrifice 3 creatures (one of each color of the wedge) to immediately search your library for a copy of the mythic creature and put it into play. These mythics still, to this day, are much more exciting and fun than whatever power creep bs they are printing in every set nowadays.
Well said. Its important to remember the context surrounding the design of these cards. Even if it's not a competitive card, Hellkite Overlord is a sought after card for Jund dragon decks in EDH, and in some WUBRG dragon decks as well, so it should be reprinted to keep the price down and accessibility up.
Agree about the herald, but the first mythics also had powerful staples, and most mythics nowadays still have unplayable cards, and most competitive decks have mostly rares (not mythics).
Honestly the whole "mythics are for awe-inspiring lore stuff" was hogwash from the beginning. Almost immediately we had Lotus Cobra at mythic, which literally doesn't feature in the story or lore of Zendikar at all. It's just a powerful constructed card.
I remember that the Tree of Redemption printing was so bad, if anyone pulled it in its original set, you could hand it into our local stores for a new pack, provided you opened it in front of them. This was their form of protest against the Tree.
you missed the point of ghave. You don't use him as an abzan commander. You use him as a combo commander. Ghave+ashnod's altar make for so many inf combos when paired with a lot of other cards, which can range from inf etb+ltb, to inf mana, inf tokens, and inf counters. And then paired with something life blood artist of zulaport cutthroat you can wreck your opponents.
Yea Ghave isn't not played because it's bad, it's not played because it's too good for casual and not good enough for competitive. There is a reason people say Ghave combos with a ham sandwich and is nearly impossible to build without combos, people have tried to build it without combos and still found combos in the deck. So people just don't play it.
Ghave can be really really good in the right commander deck, but yeah for other constructed formats it's just a bit too slow. Calling it one of the worst mythics is ridiculous though.
Totally agree with the top pick, the fact it was chosen to represent that set was just mindboggling, even if you ignore monetary value. There were other iconic cards from that set that could have been chosen that would make more sense
The problem is that WOTC, in their infinite stupidity, upgraded rares that needed reprints to mythic thus negating the accessibility and price drop since mythics aren't guaranteed pulls. You could buy a box or even two and not pull one mythic. Hell, you could end up pulling nothing but bulks. Master sets are nothing but overpriced scams.
Do you rush out these videos? You should take time to check for mistakes, of which you make many quite often. You said it costs a green to pump the Dragons attack. You said Jugan costs 4 and two green. Slow down and review your work.
He has a team. As they play ygo, he knows some stuff and surely can catch mistakes. For magic and other tcgs he just reads the provided script. The quality of the magic content is especially lacking sadly. Many mistakes, research is not done well. Weird wording and other things
He also saying Geth is bad because he can only get artifacts, i think these videos are for people new to magic because i always see mistakes in almost all his videos.
@@robertdillman2616geth IS bad because he can only get artifacts He's both more expensive and conditional than goblin welder/engineer If his ability hit either creatures, or any card, it'd still be bad, but INCOMPARABLY better
@@V2ULTRAKill : Put target artifact or creature card with mana value X from an opponent's graveyard onto the battlefield under your control tapped. Then that player mills X cards.
Hellkite overlord's fire breathing costs one red, not one green. You should double check your script and your pronunciation. Edit: You also got Jugan's cost wrong...
Ghave actually can be a really absurd commander with the number of infinites you can do with him, but yeah I would be pissed as well to open a premium priced booster just for the mythic slot to be a card worth less than a dollar. At this point WOTC very clearly is playing the secondary market with Secret Lairs so to say that doesn't affect their choices for reprints is laughable at best.
What's worse is that As Foretold was later reprinted as a rare in a reprint sheet for a standard set and further in Doctor Who set, making the once $30 card into a $1 bulk "Mythic"
I used to play the Tree of life back in the day with slumbering dragons, deadbridge goliaths and increasing savagery. The Tree with 5 counters was the way to constantly increase your life total as well as trees toughness. Lets say you have 11 health and the tree with counters is 5/18, when tapped your life total becomes 18, and the tree becomes 5/16, next turn your health goes to 16, but the tree becomes 5/23 and so on.
I like throwing a single temporal mastery in my blue control decks. But yeah, the games where you get it in your opening hand or even worse in your hand after the first mulligan I am reminded why it's not all that good. But when you miracle it just right...I get to farm some salt from my opponent. I will also remind everyone that a janky miracle deck running temporals won the Avacyn Restored block constructed Pro-Tour event.
@4:40 Looking at Temporal Mastery, it feels like it could have a home in a deck with Eluge and Malcolm, where you stand a chance of casting it for less, and/or copying it.
when you read geths ability why did you stop when it said artifact and not read the next two words? im not saying it makes it wildly better but being able to steal a creature or artifact definitely doesnt make it bad, especially as it helps with mill strategies
while darksteel forge may be bad I still have fond memories of it as when I first got into mtg we couldnt really afford many physical cards, I only got a few packs every once in a while as a treat or got hand me downs from other people I know, but the first (and one of the only mythic rares) I ever pulled was the darksteel forge and I tried to make a deck around it ever since just to try to make it work
Kokusho and Yosei are huge. Jugan is...an EDH staple, but not good in Modern. The Akromas...show how power creep is. Ghave is about synergy. Grave Pact and Aura Shards, Blood Artist and Spike Weaver, Ashnod's Altar and Cathar's Crusade. He's useful, but not on his own. There are even the cute things like Mycosynth Lattice and Aura Shards or using all the triggers with Rule of Law. tl;dr: You're building a control deck. (Albeit the rare one where 60 cards focus on mana!) I'd put him comfortably at Tier 2, not format-breaking, but definitely a threat in casual. Comet Storm is a good finisher, but do we need more of it? Even Commander players aren't calling for more. Tree of Redemption is just, lolwut?
Regarding Masters 25, say what you want about Yu-Gi-Oh!, but at least they're willing to reprint beloved cards without hesitation. Admittedly, they over-reprint chase cards, but better that than stingy reprint policy. Compare Masters 25 with 25th Anniversary Rarity Collection. The latter has less cards, but much more meaning to the reprints.
True name nemesis is INSANE. protection is such a strong ability that why unless on a very expensive creature it's always limited in application like protection from white. 3 mana 3/1 protection from 1 opponent......and EVERYTHING hes got? Holy.....that's GOOD. 3/1 hexproof, indestructible, unblockable....
Idea for Future Videos: Like you mentioned with the temporal mastery, i would Like to See a Video about the biggest traps and a Video about cards everyone thought they we're Trash but they didn't 😊
I want everyone in these comments to remember that the duellogs is caring more about viability. temporal mastery is good in commander, but in modern or other formats its not good due to its mana cost. please stop being magic boomers
It still is good in the right commander deck. Like, really stupidly good. I can consistently get turn 4 combos with some ramp in my Ghave. In constructed formats that's a bit slow but in commander Ghave stomps.
How is Temporal Mastery anywhere near this list? Yeah miracles were overcosted outside of their miracle cost. If only there was a way to take advantage of this lmao.
These video have gotten lazy and full of mistakes, i use to love this channel for yugioh cause i didnt know shit about, but once i found the magic verison i now realize, he is just a narrator and these channels are for new people to either game. This video had just way to many mistakes and geth also gets creature too, you need to have your team do better, cause this is not the channel i thought i subbed too.
Something I hate about these type of videos - in the intro you show all the cards... so it dampens the enthusiasm to stay to the end... its like telling the entire story of the movie in a trailer! Please consider this for future videos. Thanks.
I'll admit that I quickly skim through the 10 cards before starting the video, but I definitely understand the entertainment value of seeing them as they come. As a Temporal Mastery enjoyer seeing it in the thumbnail only made me click faster.
Yeah, when it was 2 mana, or when it was 5 and there were tons of broken mana production. For 7 it was good when it also made birds and could be foretold, and when it was infinitely shuffled. Playing just any overcosted extra turn effect was never good.
boomer take here, this list perfectly represents what's wrong with modern card design and magic in general all those cards are super cool, with interesting designs and cool effects, most of them are not competitive viable (i mean, Bolas was great in standard) but that's not all that magic is supposed to be about, i'd rather have a cool, interesting piece to play for fun with my friends than a broken ultra staple that just works because it's overstatted and/or undercosted also him being mostly a Yugi player shows a lot here magic is played in multiple formats, and while sets have a main focus in mind, they need to aknowledge the needs of many different kinds of players, sometimes reprints are included in "modern" sets to balance the set's limited format or availability of cards for commandes/legacy/vintage/pauper etc... or even non sanctioned formats like pre modern insted of having people wait 1 or 2 years for their "dedicated" set to come out
20:09 Wait what? How do bad mythics make good cards more difficult to pull? It's the complete opposite. Every single bad mythic is a card you don't need to spend more on.
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In defense of Hellkite Overlord, it was one of the first mythics ever printed and back then, mythics served a different purpose rather than just being a way to shoehorn expensive staples to drive sales. In addition, you really were not supposed to cast the mythics from alara. You were supposed to use their heralds to cheat them into play from your library. Every alara wedge has an 8 mana mythic bomb creature, and an associated common herald that lets you sacrifice 3 creatures (one of each color of the wedge) to immediately search your library for a copy of the mythic creature and put it into play. These mythics still, to this day, are much more exciting and fun than whatever power creep bs they are printing in every set nowadays.
Well said. Its important to remember the context surrounding the design of these cards. Even if it's not a competitive card, Hellkite Overlord is a sought after card for Jund dragon decks in EDH, and in some WUBRG dragon decks as well, so it should be reprinted to keep the price down and accessibility up.
Ok but why reprint that card?
@MrDamojak because its a piece of magic history, and that's part of what masters sets are for
Agree about the herald, but the first mythics also had powerful staples, and most mythics nowadays still have unplayable cards, and most competitive decks have mostly rares (not mythics).
Honestly the whole "mythics are for awe-inspiring lore stuff" was hogwash from the beginning. Almost immediately we had Lotus Cobra at mythic, which literally doesn't feature in the story or lore of Zendikar at all. It's just a powerful constructed card.
I remember that the Tree of Redemption printing was so bad, if anyone pulled it in its original set, you could hand it into our local stores for a new pack, provided you opened it in front of them. This was their form of protest against the Tree.
At least is.now usable in arcades decks, a 0/15 for 4 mana y very intimidating
@@SergioGarsiaSolano Or a 0/40, where swinging for your life total is a viable, and hilarious, strategy.
I still don't know why that was so critical in Innistrad that it was iconic for the set.
you missed the point of ghave. You don't use him as an abzan commander. You use him as a combo commander. Ghave+ashnod's altar make for so many inf combos when paired with a lot of other cards, which can range from inf etb+ltb, to inf mana, inf tokens, and inf counters. And then paired with something life blood artist of zulaport cutthroat you can wreck your opponents.
Yea Ghave isn't not played because it's bad, it's not played because it's too good for casual and not good enough for competitive. There is a reason people say Ghave combos with a ham sandwich and is nearly impossible to build without combos, people have tried to build it without combos and still found combos in the deck. So people just don't play it.
@@atk9989 agreed
Ghave can be really really good in the right commander deck, but yeah for other constructed formats it's just a bit too slow. Calling it one of the worst mythics is ridiculous though.
@@kalebgray1050 yeah, like he isn't amazing. But calling him the 3rd worst mythic is absurd.
i absolutely was speachless in anger when i saw the tree be a mythic reprint
"I for one was very pleased with tree getting a badly needed reprint. A perfect piece for my army!" - Arcades the Strategist.
Totally agree with the top pick, the fact it was chosen to represent that set was just mindboggling, even if you ignore monetary value. There were other iconic cards from that set that could have been chosen that would make more sense
The problem is that WOTC, in their infinite stupidity, upgraded rares that needed reprints to mythic thus negating the accessibility and price drop since mythics aren't guaranteed pulls. You could buy a box or even two and not pull one mythic. Hell, you could end up pulling nothing but bulks. Master sets are nothing but overpriced scams.
There are at least 2 mythics per box
Like, that much is guaranteed
Do you rush out these videos? You should take time to check for mistakes, of which you make many quite often. You said it costs a green to pump the Dragons attack. You said Jugan costs 4 and two green.
Slow down and review your work.
He has a team. As they play ygo, he knows some stuff and surely can catch mistakes. For magic and other tcgs he just reads the provided script. The quality of the magic content is especially lacking sadly. Many mistakes, research is not done well. Weird wording and other things
He also saying Geth is bad because he can only get artifacts, i think these videos are for people new to magic because i always see mistakes in almost all his videos.
@@robertdillman2616geth IS bad because he can only get artifacts
He's both more expensive and conditional than goblin welder/engineer
If his ability hit either creatures, or any card, it'd still be bad, but INCOMPARABLY better
@@V2ULTRAKill But the card says creatures too
@@V2ULTRAKill : Put target artifact or creature card with mana value X from an opponent's graveyard onto the battlefield under your control tapped. Then that player mills X cards.
Hellkite overlord's fire breathing costs one red, not one green. You should double check your script and your pronunciation.
Edit: You also got Jugan's cost wrong...
These guys have a very narrow opinion on cards miracles for example used mastery in some decks dude needs to stay in yugioh
He does this to farm comments.
@@Lemon_Sage9999He doesn't write or review the script, others on his team does. He's just the narrator
@@yuuumtheepic4118 he also has super-dyslexia (speculation)
This channel and How To Drink feature so many egregious errors that I am sure it's intentional.
Ghave actually can be a really absurd commander with the number of infinites you can do with him, but yeah I would be pissed as well to open a premium priced booster just for the mythic slot to be a card worth less than a dollar. At this point WOTC very clearly is playing the secondary market with Secret Lairs so to say that doesn't affect their choices for reprints is laughable at best.
What's worse is that As Foretold was later reprinted as a rare in a reprint sheet for a standard set and further in Doctor Who set, making the once $30 card into a $1 bulk "Mythic"
I used to play the Tree of life back in the day with slumbering dragons, deadbridge goliaths and increasing savagery. The Tree with 5 counters was the way to constantly increase your life total as well as trees toughness. Lets say you have 11 health and the tree with counters is 5/18, when tapped your life total becomes 18, and the tree becomes 5/16, next turn your health goes to 16, but the tree becomes 5/23 and so on.
I like throwing a single temporal mastery in my blue control decks. But yeah, the games where you get it in your opening hand or even worse in your hand after the first mulligan I am reminded why it's not all that good. But when you miracle it just right...I get to farm some salt from my opponent. I will also remind everyone that a janky miracle deck running temporals won the Avacyn Restored block constructed Pro-Tour event.
@4:40 Looking at Temporal Mastery, it feels like it could have a home in a deck with Eluge and Malcolm, where you stand a chance of casting it for less, and/or copying it.
when you read geths ability why did you stop when it said artifact and not read the next two words? im not saying it makes it wildly better but being able to steal a creature or artifact definitely doesnt make it bad, especially as it helps with mill strategies
I'll never forget my brother opening Akroma back in Legions. The card was insane for the time. I still love playing it in my keywords commander deck
Before watching: did you post every single mythic in Double Masters 2022?
15:01, How does protection from red and black save you from the green Verdant Force?
Calling Ghave a bad mythic is so disconnected from reality it's insane
Agreed. I don't understand how anyone can say he's bad
If Jugan had made 5 mana when it died rather than measly +1/+1 counters, it could've been pretty decent. You'd only be down 1 mana in tempo.
"Gurrock Relentless"
while darksteel forge may be bad I still have fond memories of it as when I first got into mtg we couldnt really afford many physical cards, I only got a few packs every once in a while as a treat or got hand me downs from other people I know, but the first (and one of the only mythic rares) I ever pulled was the darksteel forge and I tried to make a deck around it ever since just to try to make it work
I remember pulling a comet storm and a foil comet storm in the same pack, one of the worst pulls of my life.
Kokusho and Yosei are huge. Jugan is...an EDH staple, but not good in Modern.
The Akromas...show how power creep is.
Ghave is about synergy. Grave Pact and Aura Shards, Blood Artist and Spike Weaver, Ashnod's Altar and Cathar's Crusade. He's useful, but not on his own. There are even the cute things like Mycosynth Lattice and Aura Shards or using all the triggers with Rule of Law. tl;dr: You're building a control deck. (Albeit the rare one where 60 cards focus on mana!) I'd put him comfortably at Tier 2, not format-breaking, but definitely a threat in casual.
Comet Storm is a good finisher, but do we need more of it? Even Commander players aren't calling for more.
Tree of Redemption is just, lolwut?
Regarding Masters 25, say what you want about Yu-Gi-Oh!, but at least they're willing to reprint beloved cards without hesitation. Admittedly, they over-reprint chase cards, but better that than stingy reprint policy.
Compare Masters 25 with 25th Anniversary Rarity Collection. The latter has less cards, but much more meaning to the reprints.
Question...
How can a card printed in 2004 be printed for Modern which didn't exist until 2011??
As someone who plays comet storm because it was in the precon, I feel like I’m being called out😅
True name nemesis is INSANE. protection is such a strong ability that why unless on a very expensive creature it's always limited in application like protection from white.
3 mana 3/1 protection from 1 opponent......and EVERYTHING hes got? Holy.....that's GOOD.
3/1 hexproof, indestructible, unblockable....
Idea for Future Videos: Like you mentioned with the temporal mastery, i would Like to See a Video about the biggest traps and a Video about cards everyone thought they we're Trash but they didn't 😊
Started with onslaught, the akromas were seen around many a lunch table.
4 and 2 green 🟢🎉
I love Geth in commander, he can be a brutal card if he gets going, but yea he did not need the reprint
Not me using mutates to get all 3 of my bolas cards in for "free" with while coming down with 14 loyalty
Um, actually, if a creature has the reach keyword, they can block a creature with flying.
16:41 “fishy exceptions” lmao
Welp, next video’s likely going to be an extremely long banlist talk, looking forward to it
I want everyone in these comments to remember that the duellogs is caring more about viability. temporal mastery is good in commander, but in modern or other formats its not good due to its mana cost. please stop being magic boomers
Are you joking? Temporal Mastery was a house in standard and modern miracle decks and was half the reason blue was even a color used.
It's faaaar from the worst extra turn spell at mythic
Any card is good in commander. It's a cop out to say this card sucks except for commander.
@@zackbonno3675 For real. Standard format warping stuff when Avacyn came out.
Keep in mind this is cards you could pull from double masters. I think thats past its time in standard...
As foretold is crazy in a Proliferate deck. Why it's here in the list?
A tree almost as bad as that one elemental tree
Guys...
Remember when Ghave was Good?
It still is good in the right commander deck. Like, really stupidly good. I can consistently get turn 4 combos with some ramp in my Ghave. In constructed formats that's a bit slow but in commander Ghave stomps.
How is Temporal Mastery anywhere near this list? Yeah miracles were overcosted outside of their miracle cost. If only there was a way to take advantage of this lmao.
These video have gotten lazy and full of mistakes, i use to love this channel for yugioh cause i didnt know shit about, but once i found the magic verison i now realize, he is just a narrator and these channels are for new people to either game. This video had just way to many mistakes and geth also gets creature too, you need to have your team do better, cause this is not the channel i thought i subbed too.
That was the worst pronunciation of Garruk I've ever heard
notifications for the win
you can do funny stuff with the tree and triskaidekaphobie
Something I hate about these type of videos - in the intro you show all the cards... so it dampens the enthusiasm to stay to the end... its like telling the entire story of the movie in a trailer!
Please consider this for future videos. Thanks.
I'll admit that I quickly skim through the 10 cards before starting the video, but I definitely understand the entertainment value of seeing them as they come. As a Temporal Mastery enjoyer seeing it in the thumbnail only made me click faster.
Word
Remember when taking extra turns was good? All these cards are playable lol
Yeah, when it was 2 mana, or when it was 5 and there were tons of broken mana production. For 7 it was good when it also made birds and could be foretold, and when it was infinitely shuffled. Playing just any overcosted extra turn effect was never good.
@@fernandobanda5734for 8 it was good when it could be delved for
Reprint Edgar Markov you cowards
Amazing
boomer take here, this list perfectly represents what's wrong with modern card design and magic in general
all those cards are super cool, with interesting designs and cool effects, most of them are not competitive viable (i mean, Bolas was great in standard) but that's not all that magic is supposed to be about, i'd rather have a cool, interesting piece to play for fun with my friends than a broken ultra staple that just works because it's overstatted and/or undercosted
also him being mostly a Yugi player shows a lot here
magic is played in multiple formats, and while sets have a main focus in mind, they need to aknowledge the needs of many different kinds of players, sometimes reprints are included in "modern" sets to balance the set's limited format or availability of cards for commandes/legacy/vintage/pauper etc... or even non sanctioned formats like pre modern insted of having people wait 1 or 2 years for their "dedicated" set to come out
Ass list as always!!!!
Actually terrible list. Most if not all of these cards are playable in commander.
Are there even 10 mythics that are unplayable in Commander? Casual Commander is a very low bar.
It's likely in context to Modern, given how often it's brought.
Which modern master masters mythic reprints do you think are worse?
"playable" in commander
When a opinion is based on "is.playable in commander" you know that opinion is trash
first
20:09 Wait what? How do bad mythics make good cards more difficult to pull? It's the complete opposite. Every single bad mythic is a card you don't need to spend more on.