Jim Cornette on Dave Meltzer's Star Ratings For AEW Dynasty

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  • Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
  • From Episode 530 of the Jim Cornette Experience
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  • @americanbadass88
    @americanbadass88 4 місяці тому +491

    The fact that Kurt Angle has ZERO 5 star matches but plumber moxley has about 100 of em with his death match crap says how STUPID his "star" ratings are

    • @Youtubepoiuytre
      @Youtubepoiuytre 4 місяці тому +57

      Don't forget that Moxley was recently crying about being overlooked. I guess all that free advertising Dave is doing is not paying off.

    • @tigerbug69
      @tigerbug69 4 місяці тому +34

      Yeah star ratings mean absolutely nothing if Angle vs HBK or Angle vs Taker are not 5 stars.

    • @marcespinoza6068
      @marcespinoza6068 4 місяці тому +29

      Seriously, once you learn that arguably the greatest in ring wrestler of all time doesnt have a single 5 star match, you cant take any of his ratings seriously.

    • @flobama3247
      @flobama3247 4 місяці тому +4

      @@tigerbug69Not defending Dave but a lot of wrestling fans just don't like the WWE's style of match. Things like too many pointless pin attempts that everyone and their grandma knows won't result in a 3 count, no moves other than a finisher and a school boy roll up getting a 3 count, heel getting heat for 10 minutes before the babyface makes a comeback and just the overall predictability of WWE matches.

    • @bigpoppa1234
      @bigpoppa1234 4 місяці тому +6

      personally I'd have given angle vs shane & some of his matches vs benoit 5.. he also probably got robbed of 5 vs Lesnar by that horrific SSP botch. The two other matches not getting 5 that prove his ratings mean shit are not giving TLC 2 five (only giving it 4 and 3/4ths) and Rock vs Hogan which he only gave 3 stars because it wasn't one of his preferred flippy workrate vanilla midget vs vanilla midget cheoreo fests.

  • @hhbentee
    @hhbentee 4 місяці тому +537

    Meltzer saying that Jericho’s heat is “good heat” is like saying that Vince McMahon is getting some good heat atm

    • @raysiva
      @raysiva 4 місяці тому +55

      Jericho has go away heat nowadays. “Please retire” chant is the worst lol

    • @kevinkarvaski8611
      @kevinkarvaski8611 4 місяці тому +2

      Amazing

    • @anoldsmellyunusedaccount
      @anoldsmellyunusedaccount 4 місяці тому +31

      @@raysiva "Please retire" is definitionally telling someone to go away lol

    • @rogueelephant7994
      @rogueelephant7994 4 місяці тому +1

      It’s bad heat but still real heat

    • @matthewhostetter8974
      @matthewhostetter8974 4 місяці тому +5

      I'm sure Meltzer is going to give that Dumpster Fire tonight with Shibata at least 4 stars. But remember AEW is "Real Wrestling."

  • @ModernDayRenaissanceMan
    @ModernDayRenaissanceMan 4 місяці тому +168

    Let's think about this for a second,
    Trent Beretta defeating Matt Sydal in a dark match got 3.25 stars.
    Hogan v Rock at WM18 got 3 stars?
    Seems legit.

    • @ECB2000
      @ECB2000 4 місяці тому +40

      God, I hate that this is a factual statement.

    • @alexanderletzing6705
      @alexanderletzing6705 4 місяці тому +28

      Jesus fucking Christ. That honestly says everything

    • @wrecclessescobar6252
      @wrecclessescobar6252 4 місяці тому +13

      This hurts to read

    • @pokehybridtrainer
      @pokehybridtrainer 4 місяці тому +8

      Dave doesn't seem to like story much, eh.

    • @natmason5528
      @natmason5528 4 місяці тому +1

      Cornette DOES have a point about this match. Both of these guys were pretty good back in their WWE days. Low midcard on a PPV level.

  • @Beans981
    @Beans981 4 місяці тому +217

    I’m convinced Jericho writes up his own reviews in Meltzers website.

    • @freiflug83
      @freiflug83 4 місяці тому +3

      he definitely has an alt

    • @ghad311
      @ghad311 4 місяці тому

      Multiple ​@@freiflug83

  • @CornBreadtm1
    @CornBreadtm1 4 місяці тому +289

    Dave doesn't understand Jericho's go away heat because Dave has go away heat. He's just blind to it.

    • @thomasgodfrey7587
      @thomasgodfrey7587 4 місяці тому +15

      The ratings are just stupid anyway, never mind Dave's regular jumbled bullshit.

    • @davidcook3116
      @davidcook3116 4 місяці тому

      Well said.

    • @vinceraven1501
      @vinceraven1501 4 місяці тому

      Very good.. 👍🏻👍🏻

    • @bre4kd0wn1
      @bre4kd0wn1 4 місяці тому

      ​@@thomasgodfrey7587I've always multiplied everything Meltzer said by zero ever since around 2010s, maybe 2013, once I learned he was never truly in the Pro Wrestling business aside of journalism, not in the ring, nor in the backstage, nor in the commentary, nor in the management, or anything; he had few, if any, ideas on what he's talking about.
      His interview with CVV further confirmed my view on him.

  • @wilcee238
    @wilcee238 4 місяці тому +224

    J. Jonah Jameson from “Spider-Man” is a more objective reporter than Dave Meltzer

    • @zlinedavid
      @zlinedavid 4 місяці тому +41

      The Moscow Gazette under Stalin’s regime was more objective than Unca Dave

    • @EliasRoy
      @EliasRoy 4 місяці тому +5

      Ahahahaha 😂

    • @matthewhostetter8974
      @matthewhostetter8974 4 місяці тому +20

      At least JJ eventually sees that Spiderman isn't the bad guy. Meltzer will never admit that AEW is really in the shitter, as long as Tony keeps giving him his 20+ min Masturbation matches with OceanSpreay.

    • @undertakernumberone1
      @undertakernumberone1 4 місяці тому +7

      @@matthewhostetter8974 JJJ, portrayals like Insomniac's Spider-Man and such aside, also, USUALLY, WHEN WRITTEN WELL, puts a lot into journalistic integrity, social issues etc.

    • @stephennicoil5225
      @stephennicoil5225 4 місяці тому

      @@matthewhostetter8974 Ouch 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @gipsydanger7
    @gipsydanger7 4 місяці тому +102

    Remember when CM Punk said the AEW wrestlers perform for star ratings from some goof?
    We all know who that goof is

    • @eiephants
      @eiephants 4 місяці тому +5

      Dave should never be taken seriously, so "Goof" is apt. The fact aew wrestlers look to him for affirmations is sad.

    • @FallenRyan1989
      @FallenRyan1989 4 місяці тому +5

      Meltzer’s comeback to that was saying that Punk called him “every week” while he was in AEW. I’m willing to bet that someone was posing as Punk to rib him or he’s insane, which are 2 valid explanations.

    • @anoldsmellyunusedaccount
      @anoldsmellyunusedaccount 4 місяці тому +2

      @@eiephants the fact that they serenaded Kenny Omega to the ring with talk of the "only wrestler to achieve seven stars" was so unbelievably pathetic - actually made Kenny Omega look worse in my opinion. His status should preceed him in and out of kayfabe.

    • @jackogood
      @jackogood 4 місяці тому

      Mjf too

    • @savagereaper6291
      @savagereaper6291 4 місяці тому +1

      Funny thing is people are having all these high star matches.....but the program can't average over 800k for weekly TV. Newsflash. No one cares about the ratings besides Tony and Dave.

  • @wildwine6400
    @wildwine6400 4 місяці тому +276

    Judging by the ratings, Dave must have one giant arm now like Quagmire

    • @tallalmk6
      @tallalmk6 4 місяці тому +16

      Lmao

    • @Weezy232
      @Weezy232 4 місяці тому +35

      Giggity

    • @coryshannon3815
      @coryshannon3815 4 місяці тому +25

      Meltzer was definitely looking like Randy Marsh in the room with the computer on the episode where the internet dies.😂

    • @MoparStephen
      @MoparStephen 4 місяці тому +14

      @@coryshannon3815 It was Ectoplasm.

    • @matthewhostetter8974
      @matthewhostetter8974 4 місяці тому +1

      Meltzer flooded his entire house for OceanSpreay, and the rest of the ratings was a pity Fuck. To make up for the fact Mania was better, Dynasty buy rates sucked, Tony made an ass of himself and OceanSpreays feelings got hurt.

  • @sbz88
    @sbz88 4 місяці тому +209

    Rumor is Dave went through 2 fresh boxes of Kleenex during that Osprey/Danielson match.

    • @aic8001
      @aic8001 4 місяці тому

      I haven't seen that rumor where'd you read that?

    • @mrbadguysan
      @mrbadguysan 4 місяці тому +3

      Dave has an innie.

    • @Forever_Thatter
      @Forever_Thatter 4 місяці тому +20

      that rumor is untrue: it was 5.

    • @zlinedavid
      @zlinedavid 4 місяці тому +15

      And his palms look like a chia pet

    • @j_mad
      @j_mad 4 місяці тому +13

      And 6 things of Vaseline 😂😂😂

  • @wilsonjoshwilson
    @wilsonjoshwilson 4 місяці тому +193

    Dave handing out more stars than a game of Mario Party.

    • @Twiztedgoalie
      @Twiztedgoalie 4 місяці тому +5

      …. There’s like 2 boards in the entire series that give out stars like Meltzer, and one of them is on the ds.

    • @polsdofer
      @polsdofer 4 місяці тому +11

      Its a me dave meltzaa

    • @poppy87
      @poppy87 4 місяці тому +8

      Yeah, uh, it uhh a me, maybe , uh mario.

    • @barry-allenthe-flash8396
      @barry-allenthe-flash8396 4 місяці тому +11

      "We're the only two people here to play Mario Party, Dave"
      "Well what you gotta understand is that there's a lot of competition going on for Mario Parties right now, what with the NBA playoffs and pre-emptions and social media causing people to ignore some of these parties or maybe show up later. Really, the ACTUAL amount of people here is, like, 2 + 18 once you take into account the time zone---"
      "You can only have up to 4 people in a Mario Party though"
      "Traditionally, yes. I mean, in a traditional sense, can the game only have four people, the answer would be yes. But what I'm saying is that you can't gauge _this_ Mario Party by the standards of _Mario Party_ and have to look at it from the perspective of---
      "Fuck it. I'm going to go play Garfield: Lasagna Party, Dave"

    • @poppy87
      @poppy87 4 місяці тому +5

      @@barry-allenthe-flash8396 what's Todd the Shroom during in the Impact Party Zone?

  • @newkirkgman2
    @newkirkgman2 4 місяці тому +139

    "Tony Khan is booking for Dave Meltzer" ~ Eric Bischoff.

    • @jesuszamora6949
      @jesuszamora6949 4 місяці тому +2

      You could take out the word 'essentially,' and be more accurate. It's obvious at this point.

    • @Ticketman99
      @Ticketman99 4 місяці тому +4

      @@jesuszamora6949 At this point? It's been this way from the very beginning.

  • @LilMonkeyFella87
    @LilMonkeyFella87 4 місяці тому +379

    Reminder: from Meltzer's own chicken lips, the star rating scale actually goes to infinity. So on a scale that goes to infinity, this PPV was dreadful

    • @polsdofer
      @polsdofer 4 місяці тому +37

      Meltzer is proof about its not what you know, it's who you know.

    • @CadChamberlain
      @CadChamberlain 4 місяці тому +7

      PPV was actually great, just a few bad moments like any other wrestling show

    • @adaminthehouse2
      @adaminthehouse2 4 місяці тому +27

      ​@CadChamberlain I wouldn't agree. Match quality was alright across the board for the majority of the night but the booking and lack of compelling storylines made it another episode of Dynamite 🤷‍♂️

    • @LordAbaddon
      @LordAbaddon 4 місяці тому +9

      ​@@CadChamberlainIf you enjoyed that, you also like: a video of a pile of crap slowly breaking down; 2 girls 1 cup; and all of the Neil Breen movies.

    • @LordAbaddon
      @LordAbaddon 4 місяці тому +9

      @@chuckles9767 I sincerely apologize. You are correct, 2 girls 1 cup is truly a masterpiece compared to AEW.

  • @chroniclesofnigeria1358
    @chroniclesofnigeria1358 4 місяці тому +167

    If Cornette told us to boycott AEW for a week they would lose 15-20% of the audience

    • @Will_kid_cortez
      @Will_kid_cortez 4 місяці тому +48

      All he has to do is not review these shows and it be a wrap 😂

    • @troystaunton254
      @troystaunton254 4 місяці тому +10

      I don’t think that many Cornette fans are watching aew. Certainly for me, myself I don’t think it’s even available in Australia, and I regularly go to England I’ve not seen it there either. But I don’t look for it either.

    • @illusionwanderer
      @illusionwanderer 4 місяці тому

      @@troystaunton254it’s on Kayo

    • @cowboy9275
      @cowboy9275 4 місяці тому +1

      Viewership & Attendance tells the story people don't watch not bc of what Corny says but because the product is what was it Goldberg said " Cheesy"

    • @jasmith85
      @jasmith85 4 місяці тому +3

      The hardcore AEW fan who can tolerate Tony Klowns booking and the Boring Bucks wouldn't listen to Cornette, Bischoff, Dutch since they use common sense and logic whilst Uncle Dave, Conrad & Tony Klown all live in laa laa land.

  • @Sansri16761
    @Sansri16761 4 місяці тому +51

    To quote Kevin Nash, "that's cool, but what did they draw?"

    • @Yankeemuscle114
      @Yankeemuscle114 4 місяці тому +1

      Over a million $. Surprised tbh, most of their events don't come close to that #. And that's just the gate, not sure how many PPV buys they had. Most likely their 2nd most profitable event after Wembley.

    • @vdgadef
      @vdgadef 4 місяці тому

      ​@@Yankeemuscle114Proof of this over a million?

    • @jpmagnus6909
      @jpmagnus6909 4 місяці тому +1

      Pretty sure that the gate was $400k...

    • @SlimSavageBlanco
      @SlimSavageBlanco 4 місяці тому +1

      The gate was definitely $400k.
      Funny listening to Nash talk about earning money when he ended up costing WWF money when he was champ. Vince almost sold the company and almost filed chapter 11.
      But you tell'em Kev.

    • @chico1680
      @chico1680 4 місяці тому +5

      ​@@SlimSavageBlanco That was Vince costing the WWF all that money. He's the one who decided it was a good idea to strip Diesel of everything that made him popular as a heel and make him a milquetoast babyface with no edge.

  • @TaeDoloSolo
    @TaeDoloSolo 4 місяці тому +845

    Bro I just rolled a joint.. perfect timing

  • @mrbadguysan
    @mrbadguysan 4 місяці тому +105

    I wish I had a woman who was as shamefully fond of me as Dave is for AEW.

    • @wwmoggy
      @wwmoggy 4 місяці тому +11

      No thanks she would probably have dave's face.

    • @austincayer751
      @austincayer751 4 місяці тому +2

      😂 ​@@wwmoggy

  • @j_mad
    @j_mad 4 місяці тому +43

    Undertaker & Shawn Michaels at Wrestlemania got 4.5 Stars 😂😂😂

    • @zlinedavid
      @zlinedavid 4 місяці тому +12

      Pockets and the Pudd’n Gang have more 5 star matches than Kurt Angle

    • @j_mad
      @j_mad 4 місяці тому +5

      @@zlinedavid Angles has 0 same as Dave's IQ 😂😂😂

    • @EliasRoy
      @EliasRoy 4 місяці тому +2

      @@zlinedavid Even Lars Sullivan 😂😂😂

    • @tigerbug69
      @tigerbug69 4 місяці тому +4

      Angles tv matches in the first few months of his career were better than most AEW matches. @zlinedavid

    • @TakerKaneanite619
      @TakerKaneanite619 4 місяці тому

      ​@@EliasRoyForgot about that one.

  • @canedust
    @canedust 4 місяці тому +69

    Jericho: "are they booing me?"
    Dave: "no, uh, they're uh saying boo-rns"

    • @thebristolbruiser
      @thebristolbruiser 4 місяці тому +12

      We were saying “BUDAS”

    • @IamErik31
      @IamErik31 4 місяці тому +6

      @@thebristolbruiserThey saying “Budah” to Chris?! 😂

    • @Incurious_
      @Incurious_ 4 місяці тому +1

      Jeericho

    • @TheScott689
      @TheScott689 4 місяці тому

      SUCH an underrated comment.
      One of those “if you know, then you know”
      Hans Moleman receiving a football to the nuts would get at least 4 stars according to Dave…..

  • @MetalMilitia83
    @MetalMilitia83 4 місяці тому +39

    What’s funny is, I thought the Ospreay vs Danielson match was a fantastic match, but the greatest match ever? 😂 it’s like the Okada Omega match he gave 7 stars. It’s a good match, but the best thing ever? Like come on Dave… lord have mercy

  • @ModernDayRenaissanceMan
    @ModernDayRenaissanceMan 4 місяці тому +20

    I read in an article that it said that the Brian Danielson versus Will Osprey match was AND I QUOTE "said by many to be the greatest match on North American soil."
    NO IT WASN'T. ONE PERSON SAID THAT. NOT "MANY"
    These "news" sources are just repeating one person and then claiming many people said it. It's outrageous how the industry is being reported today.

  • @ramontorres8424
    @ramontorres8424 4 місяці тому +76

    Uncle Dave had to check-in to a hospital for dehydration, exhaustion and chronic shafing after that Ospreay/Danielson match.

    • @jesuszamora6949
      @jesuszamora6949 4 місяці тому

      *chafing.
      Still, you're not wrong. Meltzer needs to stop being such a cocksucker for Tony.

  • @CadChamberlain
    @CadChamberlain 4 місяці тому +28

    Giving that Jericho match anything higher than 1 star makes no sense

  • @jakec7669
    @jakec7669 4 місяці тому +20

    *AEW is literally sinking like the Titanic*
    Dave Meltzer (after every AEW Event): 5-STARS!!!! 5-STARS!!!! 5-STARS!!!! AEW IS 5-STARS!!!!

    • @matthewhostetter8974
      @matthewhostetter8974 4 місяці тому +2

      AEW can't live on "Dream Matches", Meltzer's 5-stars, and Cage Match ratings, but Uncle Dave will continue to simp for AEW till OceanSpreay gets hurt.

    • @undertakernumberone1
      @undertakernumberone1 4 місяці тому

      Only 5-Stars? Has AEW offended Dave somehow?

  • @jspres86
    @jspres86 4 місяці тому +40

    "If Orson Welles was in a low-budget porn flick, would you STILL give it 4 stars?"
    Well...scratch that one off the list of statements I never thought I would hear.

  • @JeffyHart
    @JeffyHart 4 місяці тому +26

    Who would pay for Dave's verbal fellating of AEW everyday. It's gross. I'm ashamed to have ever paid for the observer.

    • @yawnytaco
      @yawnytaco 4 місяці тому

      In my opinion, I think because DM spent his life as the "go to guy" for insider wrestling scoops. With the wrestling world evolving(since the "it's ballet" days), and it becoming a part of the pop culture,
      I don't believe he's come to grips (or cannot accept) that he no longer is that "go to guy". No disrespect meant, but for the most part, his old school contacts have either passed or left the business.
      Now he's just out of touch with the wrestling audience and as more recognizable legit sport media (and pop culture-Rock, Cena) cover wrestling what his utility in wrestling?
      I suggest writing more history pieces and obit books.

  • @Deans-jm3uf
    @Deans-jm3uf 4 місяці тому +11

    I don’t care about the ⭐️ ratings but the “oh come on!” response now makes me deeply invested

  • @Cynicayke
    @Cynicayke 4 місяці тому +7

    This is the same guy who didn't think Hogan vs Rock deserved more than 3 stars for all of its storytelling and crowd reactions.

  • @YellowJeep
    @YellowJeep 4 місяці тому +19

    I love these bits. They're like 15 minutes' worth of Jim cutting promos on Unka Dave.

  • @vinceraven1501
    @vinceraven1501 4 місяці тому +5

    If the Finger Poke of Doom happened at the Tokyo Dome, Uncle Dave would've given it 15 & 7/8 ⭐...

  • @gameon71
    @gameon71 4 місяці тому +33

    Honestly people should take it easy on Uncle Dave, poor man has a hard time giving out those ratings with only one hand on the keyboard and the other down his pants. Because Wednesday nights aren't the only nights he gets to stay up late.😉

  • @bjcc619
    @bjcc619 4 місяці тому +21

    Dave twisting his own bizarre wrestling notions into a pretzel, to desperately defend the people he thinks are his friends, will always be hilarious

  • @jasonflores9576
    @jasonflores9576 4 місяці тому +55

    Star rating is a joke, not sure how anyone can take that clown serious.. he’s like the kid who is nice to you cause he wants to play with your toys

  • @Courtneylynntucker
    @Courtneylynntucker 4 місяці тому +35

    Knowing Dave he would definitely give Tony's bump a 10 on his star rating scale lol. And then proceed to go on a tangent defending Tony, and then rambling nonsense while taking 20 minutes just to get to the point.

    • @SSJFutureGohan62093
      @SSJFutureGohan62093 4 місяці тому +1

      He never gets to the point though

    • @councilbaker7972
      @councilbaker7972 4 місяці тому +1

      yet not only never get to the point, but being further away from it than when he started...

  • @WarGhoulKharas
    @WarGhoulKharas 4 місяці тому +34

    Wait until he sees the Jericho/Shibata match. He's going to spit blood.

    • @DynastyIcon
      @DynastyIcon 4 місяці тому +8

      y'all just can't stop watching AEW for some damn reason man 😂😂

    • @3DBrawlChannel
      @3DBrawlChannel 4 місяці тому +14

      ​@@DynastyIcon At this rate there's going to be more hate-viewers than actual fans.

    • @WarGhoulKharas
      @WarGhoulKharas 4 місяці тому

      ​@@DynastyIcon I had to do laundry. I watched the first hour and a half.
      It's not hate. It's morbid amusement and curiosity. Besides, without those watchers, it's only worthless fans like you.

    • @Whocares65774
      @Whocares65774 4 місяці тому +9

      I stopped hate watching it 2 years ago. It's f***ing terrible! I still watched WCW and TNA through the bad times but AEW has the worst wrestling shows ever!

    • @jasonfuller2734
      @jasonfuller2734 4 місяці тому +3

      @@DynastyIcon 1 guy in here watched it chief, hold your excitement.

  • @geunglejoose338
    @geunglejoose338 4 місяці тому +26

    I think we can safely assume that Khan is booking for Meltzer rather than his audience, and Meltzer's brain has been deep-fried by all of the time he's been spending with his balls in the hands of the Young Bucks. That's not to say that they've got him in a vice, but rather, he's being overstimulated by flips and kicks and dives oh my.

    • @Ticketman99
      @Ticketman99 4 місяці тому +2

      I *knew* AEW was a Meltzer focused promotion since the beginning.

  • @manuelper
    @manuelper 4 місяці тому +19

    I just remove 2*s from Dave's AEW ratings, have been for a few years. Same thing I do with Rotten Tomatoes these days, subtract 15-20 percentage points and that's probably about right.

    • @423chart
      @423chart 4 місяці тому

      I texted something similar to a friend that loses their mind over Dave’s ratings. Advised him to take his rating, then subtract 1-2 stars based on what you like. That’s closer to reality.

  • @nikoknowswrestling
    @nikoknowswrestling 4 місяці тому +14

    Rumor has it Uncle Dave has a happy sock specifically for Ospreay matches.

    • @423chart
      @423chart 4 місяці тому

      His special sticky slipper. It does twist and turns so Dave gives it five stars

    • @MrJjburgess11
      @MrJjburgess11 4 місяці тому

      We used to call those slam rags

  • @who610055
    @who610055 4 місяці тому +19

    Tony lives on another planet similar to politicians they don’t live in reality 😂

  • @AlphariusDominatus
    @AlphariusDominatus 4 місяці тому +8

    Hook and Taz are jumping to NXT. Imagine Taz and Booker on commentary together lol.

  • @ericgilbert56
    @ericgilbert56 4 місяці тому +9

    The one thing that business is predicated on. Dave's stars. Not money, not an audience, not tickets, just a crazy old man and his stars.

  • @CesarGarcia-lg7nm
    @CesarGarcia-lg7nm 4 місяці тому +6

    Quick thing: the 500 was a typo in the original numbers. It was 5,000 PPV traditional buys for TNA's "Rebellion".
    Explanation:
    ---
    [...] Seems to be that it was a chain reaction of misinformation because Cultaholic and 411Mafia has reposted this piece of wrong data, which is hilarious because it seems to specify that it’s a 83% decrease [from Hard to Kill’s 22,400 buys] which makes 500 clearly not the right number.
    Also remember that streaming buys for TNA are typically at a larger portion compared to the number of traditional buys (Hard to Kill its around 20000 TV PPV buys, 60000 buys in total)
    Accordingly to Ewrestlingnews of whom wrote 5000 instead of 500, seeming to source the WON podcast and added,“It is worth noting that 34.6% of TNA Rebellion 2024 viewers went on to purchase AEW Dynasty 2024 the following day”
    ---

    • @xxrocketshark216xx4
      @xxrocketshark216xx4 4 місяці тому +1

      I didn't think 500 was right to begin with. That's so dystopian that if they actually did only get that number I imagine they'd shut the doors immediately. I mean that's like bankruptcy numbers. Not that 5k is that much better...

    • @TheWill1225
      @TheWill1225 4 місяці тому +1

      @@xxrocketshark216xx4but that number will grow a bit along with that number not including streaming numbers at all and the last ppv got 28K in streaming numbers so that’ll grow this shows buyrate and they have a tier on TNA+ that pays for the ppvs that Uncle Dave will never have.
      We aren’t saying TNA did a tremendous number but if the real number all told was 20K and Brian is guffawing over a fictional 500 number, that’s not a good look for Brian

    • @xxrocketshark216xx4
      @xxrocketshark216xx4 4 місяці тому +2

      @@TheWill1225 I mean im all for calling out Brian when he has an L but he's said alot worse. Think it was just a genuine goof

    • @bryguy615
      @bryguy615 3 місяці тому

      500 sounds right when you got Ali & Ziggy in Title Matches in 2024

  • @JoshDanielAnglo
    @JoshDanielAnglo 4 місяці тому +36

    Dave's AEW glazing is now crazy at this point, he also said Trick Williams is not a good wrestler, i mean, WHAT!! hes insane

    • @TheManOfTheHourEveryHour
      @TheManOfTheHourEveryHour 4 місяці тому +19

      Dave parrots what the Bucks say, ignoring the fact that they're flaming GOP racists, all the while pretending to be liberal IRL back when he was trying to cling onto Cornette 😂😂😂 I've never seen a more confused person.

    • @raysiva
      @raysiva 4 місяці тому +10

      What’s funny is the whoop that trick chant at the end when the faces all came to ringside and Tony was laying there. Dave may not like him, but Trick’s been getting main roster chants and now even at AEW

  • @kevindwyer2064
    @kevindwyer2064 4 місяці тому +3

    “Move over Steamboat and Macho Man” hilarious

  • @Tekin1inci
    @Tekin1inci 4 місяці тому +21

    Grudge Dave gave Roman v Cody WM match a 4.75. I think he may not have given 5 stars because the quarter point was all his remaining brain, but it is clear that he did not use it at all in the matches he gave 6 or 7 stars to.

    • @Kratosx23
      @Kratosx23 4 місяці тому +6

      My theory is that he didn't give it the full 5 because Cody left AEW.

    • @matthewhostetter8974
      @matthewhostetter8974 4 місяці тому +1

      Dave had to shit on WWE ratings for Mania as punishment for Tony's ALL IN footage not going his way, plus OceanSpreay's feeling hurt when WWE never mentioned him. Dynasty's ratings were desperation for the low buy rate and Tony still making an ass of himself

    • @undertakernumberone1
      @undertakernumberone1 4 місяці тому +5

      @@matthewhostetter8974 Honestly? I think it's just Dave going back to his old ways. The "Kurt Angle never had a 5* match, Taker VS Michaels is 4.75*" ways. For WWE, 4.5, 4.75 and 5* say a whole lot more about match quality than for All Elite Inflation. Basically, Dave rates WWE on a 5* Scale where they have to go above and beyond to get up there.
      He also rates his boy toy promotion (and NJPW) on a scale where the highest is whatever he wants to give.

    • @yoholmes273
      @yoholmes273 4 місяці тому

      Cody Roman was not anywhere near a 4. At all.
      It was a schmozz match. Half a dozen runins and pure gaga.
      And seriously no Roman match ever is on "the best matches" list.
      That being said, when he left he was the biggest star in the business so who gives a single chit about 'work rate' star ratings by some goof

    • @zemm9003
      @zemm9003 4 місяці тому +5

      ​@@yoholmes273 Cody vs Roman was easily the match of the year so far. It was a fantastic wrestling match with all ingredients. It was a much better match than Bryan vs Osprey which had no build or storyline purpose.

  • @vanzammerz
    @vanzammerz 4 місяці тому +4

    You get a star. You get a star. Everyone gets 5 stars!!!

  • @traumashark
    @traumashark 4 місяці тому +8

    Dave Meltzer has never passed my sniff test. I never understood how a guy who never worked, produced or even held a boom mic for a legitimate wrestling match- how anyone would take his ratings or assessments seriously.

    • @gobo6175
      @gobo6175 4 місяці тому

      💯

    • @xxrocketshark216xx4
      @xxrocketshark216xx4 4 місяці тому +1

      Literally all it is is that he was one of the first to do it and people in the business used to like and respect him and he was able to get enough insider info to make an interesting newsletter.
      If the internet and Twitter and smart marks had existed back when Dave started the Observer someone else would have beaten him to the punch. He's literally only noteworthy bc he's a smart mark with a keyboard from an age before they were a dime a dozen.

    • @Jeff_Pryce
      @Jeff_Pryce 4 місяці тому +1

      @@xxrocketshark216xx4 They claim he’s good at being a wrestling historian, but frankly, even that function I wouldn’t trust given how his memory seems sus over time.

  • @MoparStephen
    @MoparStephen 4 місяці тому +14

    I love it - every Travis image of Dave, has the tongue out! Is that Dave licking the Bucks' butts?

  • @Dale-jr7oj
    @Dale-jr7oj 4 місяці тому +18

    More stars than Mario 64

  • @Nediablo
    @Nediablo 4 місяці тому +6

    Okada Vs PAC = HBK Vs Taker at Mania
    I like PAC Vs Okada. I really did. I doubt I'll remember in 15 days.
    It's 15 years later and I still remember watching HBK and Taker. I remember talking to my friends with me watching it.
    These two are not equal. At all.

  • @PolkaMonroe-g3u
    @PolkaMonroe-g3u 4 місяці тому +4

    The TNA number was a typo. It did 5,000 not 500. However, i don't doubt Jim and Brian are bigger than TNA. I always listen to Jim and Brian, i never watch TNA.

  • @userjim83
    @userjim83 4 місяці тому +10

    Put pretty much any WCW cruiserweight match at the top of the card in AEW in 2024 and Dave would give it 10 stars based on what he scores highly these days. He’s lost his mind.

  • @MetalJT24
    @MetalJT24 4 місяці тому +17

    Dave fanboys so hard for someone not being paid by Tony.

  • @mjdf122
    @mjdf122 4 місяці тому +22

    Dave Meltzer gave one of my wrestling matches 4 stars but then gives Nick Wayne 6 stars 😂

  • @SairajRKamath
    @SairajRKamath 4 місяці тому +3

    Dave's room probably resembled a Jackson Pollock painting after that performance by his golden boy, Will Ostrich.

  • @televiper11
    @televiper11 4 місяці тому +3

    I love New Japan & All Japan stuff from the 80s & 90s. Doesn’t mean I want to see every match in America emulating that style.

  • @EdoggCentral
    @EdoggCentral 4 місяці тому +5

    I give this podcast 5 out of 5 🌟
    Honestly, Dave giving a match 6.5 out of 5 stars is like saying 10 out of 9 times, Dave is right and a good "journalist."

  • @CadChamberlain
    @CadChamberlain 4 місяці тому +9

    Just to make it clear, even the internet wrestling fans didnt love the 6 man tag match or Jericho match. Its only Meltzer.

    • @xxrocketshark216xx4
      @xxrocketshark216xx4 4 місяці тому

      I'm willing to bet even he doesn't actually. I think he just said that he did to either:
      A. Stay ahead of the curb, incorrectly assuming all the internet smart marks who actually subscribe to his drivel would and not wanting to have the wrong opinion
      or B. He doesn't wanna hurt his friends' feelings

  • @Its_Liam1994
    @Its_Liam1994 4 місяці тому +3

    Dude imagine comparing Kurt vs lesnar to a hook match 💀

  • @nooneinparticular5273
    @nooneinparticular5273 4 місяці тому +5

    0:44 I dunno if I'd call David vs Goliath a great match. I mean, yeah, the babyface won over a big monster heel, but he won in one move. Can't ever book Goliath again after he takes a loss like that to a little guy. He's buried.

  • @bird2684
    @bird2684 4 місяці тому +6

    As a Japanese I never understood some American obsession with Japanese wrestling, most of the Japanese I knew think American wrestling are superior to Japanese wrestling.

    • @EliasRoy
      @EliasRoy 4 місяці тому +2

      Nothing is superior is pro wrestling. It all ultimately depends on which style a person prefers. Americans prefer emphasis on storytelling and character development whilst most Japanese prefer emphasis on the in ring work and realistic hard hitting matches. The U.S. has a lot of people so there are going to be a section who prefers the Japanese style of Pro Wrestling

    • @bird2684
      @bird2684 4 місяці тому +1

      @@EliasRoy Maybe it’s hard hitting and realistic before like 2009 it’s not the case anymore, I feel like Buddy Mathews and Tommaso Ciampa are better strikers than 95% of the Japanese wrestlers these days.

    • @yoholmes273
      @yoholmes273 4 місяці тому +1

      It is not an "American obsession" currently, it is one man, goof Meltzer.
      Back in the VHS tape trading days Japanese wrestling was like gold. Watching guys like the Funkers, Hansen, Brody, Vader, Gordy working stiff with the local stars was just tremendous.
      Has not been tremendous for over 20 years. Nobody told Dave that.

    • @charliewebb6348
      @charliewebb6348 4 місяці тому

      It became prevalent with AJPW and NJPW in the 90s. AJPW was a very serious if dangerous product and NJPW really introduced cruiserweight style. American wrestling was pretty bad on the mid 90s so the early internet wrestling community was very pro-Japan.

  • @willjohnboy
    @willjohnboy 4 місяці тому +7

    According to Uncle dave, AEW's lower ratings was because of other live sports, but when the same happened to Raw, he said people come up with excuses like nfl (live sport).

    • @tuuk17
      @tuuk17 4 місяці тому

      And the previous two years, AEW also had to deal with those same exact live sports…and the last two years their ratings were higher by 100-thousand plus. It’s just excuse after excuse from them

  • @Lawangeenkhan-uu6fw
    @Lawangeenkhan-uu6fw 4 місяці тому +7

    Dave watched ospreay vs danielson naked in the basement

  • @planetschlock
    @planetschlock 4 місяці тому +2

    It's a shame that Trent Beretta vs Matt Sydal was a dark match, that would have main evented an episode of WWE Superstars circa 2009 😂

  • @GatsbyCioffi
    @GatsbyCioffi 4 місяці тому +8

    Remember everyone, this is the same guy who originally gave Hogan vs. Andre the Giant at WM3 -4 stars, lol

    • @williamwolfxrivera9929
      @williamwolfxrivera9929 4 місяці тому +2

      And considers Taker/HBK (WM25) Predictable .... for some reason

    • @EliasRoy
      @EliasRoy 4 місяці тому

      1 star*

    • @travisboyle285
      @travisboyle285 4 місяці тому +5

      Hogan vs Andre was a pretty well put together match considering Andre's limitations. Maybe doesn't hold up to today's wrestling fans but it told a pretty great story with the set up ect.

    • @alexanderletzing6705
      @alexanderletzing6705 4 місяці тому +2

      Al Snow said it best. That's the best match of all time because of all the pomp and circumstance. Throw in Andre being unable to move and still getting the spectacle we got, it's iconic for a reason. Dave having 40 years of "credibility" after that is astonishing.

    • @yoholmes273
      @yoholmes273 4 місяці тому +2

      Hogan Andre will always be the greatest match ever, headlining the biggest show ever.
      Meltzer has ALWAYS been a goof and a fan of pipsqueak gymnastic flippy floppers.

  • @JagerLange
    @JagerLange 4 місяці тому +2

    That TNA stat doesn't add up (literally) - not defending them but the figures are off and you'd think Brian would have noticed.

  • @mrbadguysan
    @mrbadguysan 4 місяці тому +6

    A high star rating from Dave means your match was only fit for nerds.

  • @rjuniverse7289
    @rjuniverse7289 4 місяці тому +2

    So, according to Meltzer, the bucks vs. ftr was as good as Sami vs. Gunther. They both got the same star ratings.

  • @stonedViking304
    @stonedViking304 4 місяці тому +3

    I’m a female so I can say this😅
    That Toni Storm vs Thunder Rosa match wouldn’t even been 4 stars if they did topless…Dave needs to quit trippin

  • @keeganhurley119
    @keeganhurley119 4 місяці тому +2

    AEW is such a joke. They make the Dixie Carter era of TNA seem tolerable. I feel bad for every ex WWE wrestler there except for Dax Harwood.

  • @grammysworld5449
    @grammysworld5449 4 місяці тому +9

    Brain loves taking shots at TNA.. Even Jim seems tired of it

  • @jasonmoehl6994
    @jasonmoehl6994 4 місяці тому +2

    I saw Dax from FTR accusing Bischoff of taking money from someone to criticize AEW on Twitter. Brian and Jim sorta touched on the subject but I’d like to hear this topic discussed more

    • @WyattHolliday
      @WyattHolliday 4 місяці тому +3

      Bald FTR crying again, huh? I bet Gun FTR wishes he’d stop.

    • @waynetech10
      @waynetech10 4 місяці тому +1

      ​@@WyattHolliday Gun FTR LOL

  • @Christian.J_hXc
    @Christian.J_hXc 4 місяці тому +7

    How does meltzer still have any audience?

    • @raysiva
      @raysiva 4 місяці тому +7

      He brainwashed them with rumors for decades and they paid him for it

    • @waynetech10
      @waynetech10 4 місяці тому +2

      The spectacle. Hearing what he says next, and how ridiculous it'll be. What he says has very little credence. He's at Hulk Hogan's level now. People want to hear what bizarre statement will come next.

    • @Christian.J_hXc
      @Christian.J_hXc 4 місяці тому

      @@waynetech10 I'm right there wanting to hear and laugh. But I stopped my subscription. I stopped listening to Dave like 8 years ago, because at that time he was just playing both sides of any argument to cover himself. Plus him and Alvarez have their own q&a things... So he's got actual fans

  • @Gbro
    @Gbro 4 місяці тому +2

    To say that will anyone be talking about this match in 2 years never mind 20 years later, my best mate and I still talk about Perfect vs Bret and Owen vs Bret steel cage and Savage vs Steamboat and so on, if they are still talking about this match in two to five years then maybe I will consider what Uncle Dave is saying.

  • @naxireal869
    @naxireal869 4 місяці тому +7

    Is Dave's plan to eventually sell the Observer to Tony Kahn and retire or something?
    On the booking a show idea, just putting this out there with enough time and you could probably pull off a few decent level events in the four corners. Especially Grand Junction, CO look up JuCo, Rock Jam, and Country Jam. Moab, UT around Easter weekend, tends to be the big Jeep weekend, yes playing a Sturgis card. And Page, AZ/Lake Powell or Lake Mead around Spring Break. I'd say 20,000 up easily on all of them as long as you had a few names. Not sure on RMPRO(CO) and UCW's(UT) current status, but there's Riot City out of Nevada. Just a thought.

  • @ice8259
    @ice8259 4 місяці тому +1

    Didn't Meltzer himself say at one point in his intervew with Chris Van Vliet that he takes into account the crowd reactions and atmosphere of the matches when giving these star ratings? You mean to tell me he saw that Jericho match, witnessed that energy from the crowd and went "oh *chef's kiss* impecable heat Chris, here have 3.25 stars ⭐️⭐️⭐️"

  • @anoldsmellyunusedaccount
    @anoldsmellyunusedaccount 4 місяці тому +4

    its official: Okada vs PAC is as good as Taker vs Michaels I. You heard it here first.

  • @daviddavidson7836
    @daviddavidson7836 4 місяці тому +2

    I'd buy a cornette ppv. Just have Jim talk about wrestling for 2 hours, doesn't really matter what context

  • @Devypocalypse
    @Devypocalypse 4 місяці тому +3

    Fun fact: Bowie wrote Starman about Uncle Dave.

  • @mrzoo5753
    @mrzoo5753 4 місяці тому +2

    Meltzer Rating System:
    Referee shows up 1 Star
    1 opponent shows up 2 Stars
    Both opponents show up 3 Stars
    Ring the bell to start match 4 Stars
    They sell popcorn 5 Stars

  • @nol6409
    @nol6409 4 місяці тому +2

    AEW fans are the only people still supporting the Observer, that's why he has to protect them at all costs. If he loses their support he's out of a job

  • @truthusuallyhurts4810
    @truthusuallyhurts4810 4 місяці тому +2

    Cornette presents: No Vanilla Midgets live on PPV

  • @SportPhilosophies
    @SportPhilosophies 4 місяці тому +3

    Star ratings will always mean nothing when Melter and his ilk are rating matching in a vacuum not taking any story or character building into account. What Meltzer likes about wrestling is entirely different to what normal people get out of it.
    Moves and matches are only half of what this industry is about but smarks rate it like that’s the whole package.

  • @vampsheeVAs
    @vampsheeVAs 4 місяці тому

    jim’s “what.” at 4:30 is legendary omg

  • @carloslozada470
    @carloslozada470 4 місяці тому +3

    Dave is mad because he probably tried to get a job with Vince and Vince laughed in face

  • @OzzyOscy
    @OzzyOscy 4 місяці тому +2

    0:16 *_'Suck' is bleeped in America?!?_* 🤣

  • @graefx
    @graefx 4 місяці тому +3

    What i have learned from Meltzer's ratings is they make more sense if you interpret them as being a 10 scale now and just divide by 2 to normalize them to ratings from 15+ years ago. Inflation hitting everyone.

    • @undertakernumberone1
      @undertakernumberone1 4 місяці тому

      according to that, Cody VS Roman was 2.375 Star. You sure about that?

  • @ronin86_Oi
    @ronin86_Oi 4 місяці тому +2

    0:47 thumbnail reference

  • @3DBrawlChannel
    @3DBrawlChannel 4 місяці тому +3

    Dave's review of Jericho v Hook is just him scrambling to defend AEW's booking and once again blame the fans for the negatives.
    "The fans rushed the heel turn..." Shut up Dave.

  • @kenkearns2444
    @kenkearns2444 4 місяці тому

    Wake and bake before work with Jim and Brian, keeps America running!

  • @DeMarcusFountain-sv6fi
    @DeMarcusFountain-sv6fi 4 місяці тому +3

    Meltzer star ratings are such a joke. I have zero respect on his opinion on anything

  • @actuallynotsteve
    @actuallynotsteve 4 місяці тому +2

    Kinda surprised they didn't point out Dave's obviously racist rating of Julia Hart's match because she hangs around "them black fellas"

  • @SWAYZEKOBAIN
    @SWAYZEKOBAIN 4 місяці тому +7

    🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 (If it was in the Tokyo Dome)

    • @heisensaul5538
      @heisensaul5538 4 місяці тому +3

      Thats gonna happen one of these days. AEW is gonna hold an event in the Tokyo Dome and Meltzer's head will explode lol

    • @MrSpeed-lt8gr
      @MrSpeed-lt8gr 4 місяці тому +3

      Hell, probably ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

  • @Harjawaldar
    @Harjawaldar 4 місяці тому +1

    The worst thing about Dace Meltzer is that he can't finish a sentence before he starts a new one.

  • @rloy
    @rloy 4 місяці тому +1

    In the Attitude Era we called that X-Pac heat.

  • @Nofunleaguesportschannel
    @Nofunleaguesportschannel 4 місяці тому +3

    The snowman lives for the stars 🤣😂

  • @tahcria
    @tahcria 4 місяці тому +1

    I am giving this clip 10 stars!

  • @mr._muji
    @mr._muji 4 місяці тому +3

    Spoilers: The main event of tonight's Dynamite is a segment featuring Kenny Omega, Young Bucks, Okada, Jack Perry, and FTR. Good luck for those who haven't watched yet.

    • @zlinedavid
      @zlinedavid 4 місяці тому +3

      Can’t believe I’m about to say this but please tell me it’s Omega and FTR joining sides and beating the piss out of the others.

    • @jeffmendez02
      @jeffmendez02 4 місяці тому +1

      And Kenny's promo was better than any of Mercedes Moan recent promos.

    • @zlinedavid
      @zlinedavid 4 місяці тому +1

      @@jeffmendez02 Helen Keller could cut a better promo than Sasha Moan.

  • @womenonthemovefitness
    @womenonthemovefitness 4 місяці тому +1

    I’m here for the Big Daddy reference 🇬🇧

  • @LoganSewell83
    @LoganSewell83 4 місяці тому +2

    Meltzer reviews AEW the same way Homer Simpson initially reviewed restaurants. The only thing missing is a fat AEW roster with Tony Khan's knees collapsing.

    • @StriderShadow
      @StriderShadow 4 місяці тому

      Have you seen Keith Lee since moving to AEW? Looks like he gained 100 pounds at least

  • @TheScott689
    @TheScott689 4 місяці тому +1

    Can not wait for the review of Kenny “Breathless Harpo” Omega forcing fake tears and talking about collostomy bags, along with Okada’s cringe inducing promo