I love this call because the caller starts with the idea that his faith helps him and does no harm, and ends with cowardice, conspiracy theories, and general ignorance of the world around him.
Since 'God' does not actually exist except for as a concept alone, 'sin' does not actually exist except for as a concept alone. A concept cannot do anything in and of itself. A concept is just that, a concept is all.
I'm in recovery from addiction. Been in recovery for about 5 years now. I'm also an atheist. I finally got clean when I hit rock bottom. The withdrawls were so intense that my plan was to unalive by throwing myself off a bridge when I finally ran out of money/support. I had to decide that my life was worth living and worth fighting for. You know what didn't help at all? Any god or religion. In fact it was a HUGE obstacle to my recovery. I live in NE Ohio where AA was founded, it's really big here. ALL of the sober living houses are religious, they require church attendance and mandatory bible studies. All of the inpatient rehabs are also religious. I tried going to meetings but they told me I'd end up dead or institutionalized because I wouldn't give my life over to a 'higher power' (it's always Jesus lol) that I didn't believe in. They refused to help me because I wouldn't join their cult. I finally found outpatient treatment and some meeting that were based more on volunteering and giving back then just religion, even tho it was still VERY religious. At every meeting there was someone who always said god was the 'only' way- which is super annoying when you are trying to do it on your own. Everyone else was handed a literal how to book while I had to figure it out by myself. Fortunately I did. Today I work in a medical field where I deal with patient care, many of whom have either addictions or mental illness. I have a psychology degree, which doesn't increase my income but is still super helpful. My coworkers often come to me to deal with difficult patients because I'm so good at it. I also have an amazing partner and my family supporting me. My life isn't perfect, I'm pretty broke most of the time but I'm killing it. What I hate the most about religious recovery like AA and bible based treatments is it takes away all your hard work. Anything good you did- NOPE. God did it. You are totally powerless and god did it all for you. But anytime you slip or f^ck up that's on YOU. It's so toxic. Being in recovery is the hardest thing I've ever done. I completely changed my life. ME. It was SO HARD. But I put in the work, did so much therapy, got my mental health & meds sorted, exercised and got healthy etc. It was literally the hardest thing I ever did. And I refuse to give that away to something that I have no evidence even exists. I am NOT powerless, I am POWERFUL. Sorry but that caller can suck it. I'm glad he got better, but he (and working 2nd shift plus overtime) is why I don't go to meeting anymore. I'm so sick of all the credit for my work being taken away and given to some bullsh^t fake deadbeat dad that only shows up when I do something sexual it doesn't like, or take it's name in vain lol. It wasn't there when I was in active addiction, withdrawl, OR in recovery. I was.
Congratulations on your recovery. Here in California, we have the option of going to A.A. with religion, and A.A. without religion. I was rather disappointed when A.A. without religion still pushes the core belief that you are broken and in need of a higher power. They allow you to pick your own higher power. So, I went with Gandalf. Unfortunately, they still used the book Alchoholics Anonymous, written by a prosetylizer and womanizer. Wikepedia has a nice bit on him. The 12 step programs are just a sneaky way to push religion, like church charity. And, they are not very effective, there are better programs that are secular.
That toxic relationship is why I STRONGLY disagree with the major religions _not_ being referred to as "cults". In this case, it's appalling that the underlying ethos is that EVERYONE is permanently, and unrecoverably monstrous (so much so that we are deserving of _ETERNAL TORTURE),_ and that no matter how hard you work at something, it's not you who did the good thing, that was God's doing. 🤮 It's mind boggling that people think that you need to adopt this "irrevocably broken" mindset in order to recover.
"If you do something bad, it's your fault. If you did something good, god did it"... How can something that obviously problematic continues to survive and has that many believers ? And how can they consider that god to be good ?
It's a scary thing to realize you, and only you, can have control and power over your life. Little kids come up with imaginary friends, have stuffed animals, or dolls. They are told to believe in Santa, Easter bunnies, tooth fairies, etc. At some point the kids stop believing in those things because they don't make sense. But, the religious crutch was designed to continue your entire existence. And, the stakes for not believing are so high people just play it safe.
@@IamnotJohnFord nice narrative, but that is specifically the opposite of reality. People excitedly and willingly embrace the idea they have control and power. But, of course, even in your fiction you just have to unironically sound as much like a Sith Lord as possible “take control of the power that lies before you” Literally the Garden of Eden allegory played out over and over again since the beginning of our time. Stop eating that damn fruit!
There is 2 parachutes, one of them is packed badly, you have to pick one. Faith is asking god which one to pick and then choosing one based on a sign you need to interpret. An evidence based decision is asking someone who professionally packs parachutes all day to have a quick look and tell you which parachute seems to be packed better. The better packed parachute might STILL not deploy, but the second decision is still not "based on faith", it's based on examinable evidence. There is also a reason parachutes have "a backup parachute", it's because we know that even under perfect conditions, something can still go wrong, ie we never have an exact 100% trust.
It's closer to someone giving you an invisible parachute and telling you that it works better than any real parachute. And you want to then convince as many people to also take this invisible parachute.
@@ChallengeYourBeliefs It's the Peter Pan fallacy. You can fly if you only believe earnestly enough. And if you fall to your death, so sad, must not have had enough faith.
An expert in parachutes would know that you always pack your own parachute. If you were to pack someone else's parachute and it failed, you might be held liable.
@@taurculh69 Fairh... having faith in something I know is worthy of my faith. A story in the bible is NOT faith. It's Russian roulette. Science is something to trust in. Like asking me to trust Jim Jones... which many did and failed miserably.
To clarify the meaning of this, you can't prove that the love that atheists supposedly feel is the same kind of love that Christians feel. This is the result of your dishonest philosophy. You destroy the potential for ideas to contain objective truth.
Consider this: when hosts assign callers homework-asking them to research a topic they were uninformed or misinformed about, or leaving them with a question to ponder before calling back-what percentage do you think actually follow through? Based on the numerous calls I've listened to, especially from repeat callers, my estimate is only about 20%. There are only a handful of instances where callers review their previous discussions or thoroughly research a topic that was beyond their understanding. Many callers seem to rely on the hosts to answer all their pressing questions. When dissatisfied with the answers, they often deflect to another topic or question, especially when they're cornered by a logical argument. This pattern underscores a reluctance to engage deeply with challenging concepts and to seek out information independently.
The pattern or the name of the podcast needs to change because it's not about the atheist experience. It's about arguing over nonsense with people who have indoctrination-induced personality disorders. I'd rather listen to fellow atheists calling in to talk about things that matter to us, like stopping christian nationalism from taking over the US government.
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@@willdwyer6782But that sorta runs the risk of it becoming an echo chamber. That's why it's important to talk to people with different beliefs, so we can examine the beliefs, the reasoning and arguments, and hopefully expand the minds of the people listening to the show.
I think the problem is that religions ultimately restrict seeking knowledge. This because they make unsubstantiated claims and seeking knowledge can undermine those claims by showing them to be false. Religions essentially fall back on: Believe what we say to believe, do what we say to do.
Next time someone asks, "what's the harm? I have everything to gain and nothing to lose by believing without evidence...". Just show them this. Nothing to lose? This person has lost their ability to think clearly, to empathize or love without threats and dire consequences, to evaluate evidence uniformly, to have confidence in himself to overcome addiction without a crutch that cannot be demonstrated to even be real, and to be honest in the face of challenges to the tenuous things accepted with crap evidence. This is the harm. It damages your psyche so deeply that if you question it and it inevitably crumbles apart if you ever decide to be honest, all of these things that make up the bulk of your identity come undone along with it.. You essentially have to relearn all these basic things and learn how exist as a person in REALITY. The flood, evolution, etc.... These are all things that were told to him to prop up the crap reason to believe in the first place. But they want you to FEEL like it makes sense, it doesn't have to actually make sense. Look at all these crazy things you have to sacrifice and cling to for this "harmless belief" for fear of losing your identity. Please... tell me again how harmless it is.... It's truly sad to listen to. Where another Christian hears a godly, devout individual.... We see it for what it is. A really damaged person who never got the help they actually needed and is perpetually being told that faith and these very things that are damaging him mentally and making him talk like an emotional toddler with an equivalent epistemology and scientific knowledge, are the things that he should strive for to become a good person in the eyes of a being who can't even be shown to exist. What an evil fucking religion that turns people into this.
Why is it atheist can't comprehend the meaning of evidence. Anyway there is some things people believe in faith that have horrific consequences like the idea your child is born with a brain of a different gender in their body. Atheist humanist seem to adopt this faith-based belief recently. Atheists have a lot of faith-based beliefs like the idea their ancestors were sea creatures. Some also believe in the supernatural aka the idea of the origins of Life came into existence without God. Atheism requires no evidence it requires no logic it doesn't even require the ability to think it's a disbelief. If you replaced the brain of somebody who believed in God with a rock and you did the same thing with an atheist you would end up with two atheists because neither one of them would have the ability or willingness to accept God if they had a rock in their head instead of a brain
Wow. Ya I think billions of people for thousands of years would disagree but let's just pretend YOU figured it all out brother. Amazing. I've learned ot from you people. Your hatred towards Christ is actually perculiar.
@Shamusmusic416 Yeah, no hatred, just sympathy, compassion, concern, and pity for the multitude of individuals who have committed their lives to the writings of bronze age grifters. The only hate is your Christian "love".
When they say they believe the Bible is the word of God, and then you confront them with the Bible passages on slavery (always a good one to bring up), genocide, etc.. and they start to get uncomfortable, well.. it's "in for a penny, in for a pound".
@@Shamusmusic416 "Agree with it or not, he's the almighty power." Nope... See, you have no proof... Your claim is as valid as :" Agree with it or not, Odin is the almighty power. " or Agree with it or not, Quetzalcoatl is the almighty power. "
"in for a penny, in for a pound" Theists are like: you have to go to church, you have to find faith, you have follow the word of the Bible. Then I'm like: But I was born out of wedlock and Deuteronomy 23:2 says I can't attend church because I was born out of wedlock. To add to it, Leviticus 21:20 says that dwarves, people with bad eyesight, bad backs, skin disease or "broken stones" cannot attend church. I have arthritis in my neck, and wear glasses. If the Bible is infallible, then I get a hall pass!
Maybe you can answer this question. Why is somebody who's a member of the lgbtq community approximately 3 times more likely to be an atheist according to a Pew research report ? I believe evidence suggests that the reason why they chose to be unwilling to accept God is because they know in the moral conscience the lifestyles they live are immoral and they chose to ignore the moral conscience and adopt the philosophy of do as a Wilt and the ends justified the means. If they didn't reject God they would have to acknowledge their moral conscience comes from God and what they're doing is completely immoral.
Faith is accepting another's statements as true without a skeptical test. So maybe faith and responsibility are opposites. One who is responsible may listen to another's proposition but they don't give a cart blanche open mind. They have some standards of coherence, evidence, and conciliance that must be met before they think of something as true. They also have a low tolerance for dissonance within their worldview picture.
Not totally consciously wilful in reality denial - he was slowly conditioned into a brain state where his brain simply shuts down when confronted with adverse information until the onslaught of reality has subsided. For him nothing in between happened. Like in Germany in the 1930s (btw, 98% of germans in Nazi Germany were christians, just 0.3% or so were atheists) people had learned not to "look in certain directions" - not to eaver ask themselves the question why the Goldblums next door had moved away, out of Germany, why the store of the Silbersteins was not owned and led by an Mr. Meier, and so on.
It is not just faith in some amorphous, invisible, supernatural entity, it is the systems of religion whose books are based on false history, contrived stories, great ignorance and all manner of failures. The only way formal religion survives is to brainwash young children to believe mythology is true and then add in shame, guilt and fear to prevent questioning of what they have been inculcated with. No matter how benign some might feel about religious membership, it is, at its core, a heinous and dangerous practice.
The comment section is already full of wannabe preachers, failing to provide any evidence for god thingies . Makes me wonder what they think their counterproductive preaching is going to achieve ?
@sideboob6851 We are all just one Bible quote away from believing in a god who's willing to commit planetary genocide buy unwilling to forgive us for sins that he made up, unless we clap and pretend that he was a genius for coming up with a Rube Goldberg contraption of forcefully impregnating a girl to send his son to die temporarily, all to give himself an excuse for sending people to an eternal torture. It's not his fault, according to God, that the unbelievers chose eternal punishment. Is there any actual Christian who believes that anyone would prefer eternal torture if you were given an actual evidence that there is such a thing? If you were given a choice to give me ten thousand dollars to get a billion dollar from a Nigerian prince or delete that spam, would you actually choose to throw away the billion dollars?
This comment section is already filled with people unwilling or unable to accept God AKA atheist. They will claim things like God doesn't exist. God is a fairytale and when I asked them if they believe the origins of Life came into existence without God they run away they won't answer the question. They have no problem telling me they believe the origins of Life didn't come into existence because of God but they won't tell me if they believe it came into existence without God. Very strange they say God doesn't exist but they won't tell me if they believe the origins of Life came into existence without God . They won't say it because they don't want to provide evidence proving that the origins of Life came into existence because of a non intelligent occurrence because they have no evidence for it. Atheist love to claim that atheism is the default position that they have no burden of proof and that atheism is also whatever they say it is . If there's any atheist out there who believes the origins of Life came into existence without God and can provide evidence to why they believe that , in return I will provide at least the same level of evidence to why I believe in God and we will see which one is more logical . PS if I happen to find any atheists to take me up on my offer if you're going to argue that you believe the origins of Life came into existence without God because you never seen God I'm just going to argue I believe in God because I never seen life pop into existence because of a non intelligent occurrence. Like I said I will give an equal or greater amount of evidence to why I believe in God for your evidence to why you believe the origins of Life came into existence God.
@@AtheismIsDestructive Why do you have so much disbelief of evolution? Is it because you are unwilling or unable to accept scientific data??? I believe that origin of life came into existence without god. Strange how you keep lying that atheists don't say this and lie and say that atheists believe that god created life. Did your fictional god create lying? And do you call your god Rachel Levine just because of your obsession???
@@ChallengeYourBeliefs just because that version of reverse psychology works on you it doesn't mean it works on other people. If you want me to come on your stream why don't you ask. Have you corrected your other can't Believe it's not butter thread after my exposing all your lies your intellectual dishonesty and straw manning.
There are two kinds of faith: reality-based faith, and faith-based faith. Reality-based faith is merely recognizing that reality is consistent with itself, so it's the most reasonable variety of faith. Faith-based faith boils down to believing what you're told just because someone said so. If it were consistent with objective reality, it would be reality-based faith, but because it is not, it can only be faith-based faith. And that's essentially the same as gullibility.
@@AtheismIsDestructive "atheist have about their children being born with a brain of a different gender in their body." WTF is your personal defect... Gender and atheism have nothing to do with each other.... Do you post because you're a f**king moron or because you're a bigoted f**king moron? Or is it because you have issues over your own gender...? Are you afraid of women? Do you wonder if you have a clit or dick and the size isn't helping you figure it out? Get help for your mental issues...
@@AtheismIsDestructive "faith-based belief that everything came from nothingness." but no one except the most uneducated would think that was possible.... See, there never was a "nothingness". Only Bible believers believe their God created everything from "nothingness"
@@AtheismIsDestructive "faith based beliefs of Christians resulted in the greatest civilization in the history of mankind which is modern Western Civilization. " Because they slaughtered the rest of the people who disagreed... They introduced their primitive religion at sword or gun point.... That being said, if we didn't have religion holding things back for centuries, civilization may have been far further developed and maybe we'd be a space faring species now....
@@AtheismIsDestructive " it's been proven to be an instinctive thought and or a logical conclusion." Nope. There are cultures that never developed any sort of religion.... also, people are born atheist.... they develop religion through indoctrination, confirmation bias and self -delusion...
Mark is committing an Appeal to Consequences fallacy when he claims that the perceived benefits of his belief in a god imply that the god must be real.
It’s been 157 days since I’ve began counting and in that time not a single theist has been able to provide any convincing reason to believe in the existence of any god, gods or other divine or supernatural beings. It’s been a bit since I updated my count since it seemed to be making the trolls uneasy and causing them to leave very manic posts. I hate to cause that kind of discomfort with folks that can’t defend themselves or their faith.
@LeeannChriqui Well actually they've shown that "demonic possession" is unlikely to be real and so many events claimed as being divine or god given have been shown not to be. So your first sentence needs to be qualified as "science hasn't disproven all god/demon claims just most of them" Remember the burden of proof and null position are important scientific "axioms". Because personal experience is so subjective it needs external verification ti be considered true.
@LeeannChriqui thank you for providing an excellent example of the kind of empty rhetoric that many believers rely on. You’re failure to provide any convincing reason to believe in the existence of any god, gods or other divine or supernatural beings also leaves the door open to also believing in things such as a creature that eats gods and the souls of their followers or even Santa. If you disagree feel free to disprove both. See how useless that is?
@LeeannChriqui The burden of proof isn't on anyone to disprove claims about "dark individual energies". The burden of proof is on those claiming said energies.
@LeeannChriqui 1. Yes, science CAN in fact, "disprove Gods/Demons". When a "God" is claimed to be the cause of "Effect X" (say, lightning) and we demonstrate that there is a natural process, we have disproved that God.
Belief ≠ acceptance and faith ≠ trust. There's a different mindset between secular usage and religious usage of words. Misuse is at best laziness or ignorance, if done willfully it's equivalent to lying.
His "relationship with god produces positive results in his life".. is god like a genie? He is super SUPER superstitious. And his guilt and addictive personality is used against him by religion.
@@DJ-Synth The teally divine version of Jesus as John described him - KNEW he was divine, - KNEW he was immortal, - KNEW that he would RETURN to Heaven and exist on in timeless eternity - KNEW of the importance of his task, - KNEW exactly what would happen ("all is according to God's plan") - KNEW that he could even say goodbye to his buddies and give them last instructions. What happened to such a Jesus? A day of inconvenience, 3 days of timeout, and then he went back to where devout christians cannot wait to get, and there he gets the best place. How lucky that suicide is forbidden in christianity, otherwise millions of christians woulf kill themselves in the moment they think all their sins were forgiven and they surely go to Heaven. After Muhammad's revelation "When you give your life in the name of Allah (i.e. die going to war for me), you will go into paradise immediately and have 72 virgins for you" was VERY successful. even the pope has a revelation that dying for God in the crusades brought you into Heaven (skipping the virgins). And this shortcut to Salvation has run halfway out of fashion, luckily. No, that was not a sacrifice for Jesus - that was a small inconvenience. Compared to the sure eternal Heaven, anyhow irrelevant. I always thought that a Jesus that knew he was mortal, that that was his ONLY life, that all would be over when he died, but was so persuaded by the importance of his new ideas that he rather gave his ONLY life than betray his ideas, that such a Jesus would be WAY more impressive, way and his teachings more relevant. Any soldier who sacrifices himself to save his comrades, or was captured and tortured and does not betray his comrades is more impress ive to me. You are only so keen because Jeus is a superstar with superpowers. You admire his powers, and as he is the supposed judge about eternal torture (and according to the Commandments, envying your neighbour's belongings is just as severe as murder), one better keept at good odds with him. Many US christians long for the rapture, they want this world to end asap to get to Heaven, as they pais dearly to their preacher to receive the guarantee that their place in Heaven is booked. I am baptized as catholic, in my country you have 10 years of religious lessions of your confession in school, NEVER heard we the hysterical fundamentalist ideas that US christians so love. In the eyes of these US christians easily 90% of CHRISTIANS will go to Hell, AND THEY DON'T CARE. They think only they are relevant, their country is the Chosen one, they are the ones that get EVERYthing right that they could NEVER be wrong, literally to Hell with the others. This mindset of vanity and arrogance and infallibility of these US christians brought mw to the point "When I have to endure (with unlimited dure-ation) these people forever - then I do not want to be in Heaven":
Anne Frank could have potentially come to Christ just like you can. Not all germans knew why they were fighting. It is specifically you who wishes suffering and death upon those you think deserve it, even while we pray for your salvation.
@@dereknoto6555 slavery was a currency literally used by every civilization on earth. They were servants. Stop applying today's paradigm to the old world. Humans enslave humans . What specific slavery are you referring to btw?
Berlinski, that guy he threw in at the end, is not an agnostic - he works for the Discovery Institute. It just goes to show how the efforts of DI to dress themselves as serious academics have been successful amongst the Christian community.
'Faith' can mean a number of different things, which causes some confusion. There is the idea in some religious circles that belief in God is reasonable. Where the faith comes in is being prepared to rely on and trust in God. The idea of just taking things on faith, on the other hand, is really the issue under discussion here. The problem is that that's quite arbitrary. Why believe in Christianity rather than something else? The reasons tend to be either cultural, personal, or both, none of which provide any reasonable indication of how likely it is to be true. I grew up in a Christian household in a mainly Christian culture. What does that have to do with the ultimate source and purpose of existence? Nothing at all, as far as anyone can reasonably infer!
Humans are built to use their imaginations to tell stories, invent scenarios, and believe them. So I don't fault this man - or anyone else - for creating a narrative that includes a God figure, especially since he credits it for his recovery. My problem is with those who impose their belief system on others and use it as a litmus test for the worthiness of those who choose not to be theists. Especially when they use the power of the state to impose those beliefs.
@@jaflenbond7854 Hey, there you dick-less blunder... YOU are again reported for SPAM... I'd report you for being a moron too, but they don't have that category yet...
The sooner people start admitting and taking responsibility for their own bad actions and decisions, the better the world will be. And the sooner people start realising it’s because of them and not god, that when they make better decisions, their life usually improves.
The thing here is that recovering addicts feel an indescribable change -- they truly cannot fathom how they went from their former hopelessly dead-end/get smashed everyday psyche to consistently sober. This transformation is so profound to the extent that it truly feels like the hand of God MUSTve done it. A non-addict will never understand this type of experience that feels tantamount to a downright MIRACULOUS experience. An addict is wired different. Im one and like you seem to convey here, I eventually understood that everything is on me, and I have taken accountability for my actions, processed the factors involved, and made it out of my horrendously dark past reality. Yet, I still wake up on somedays absolutely dumbfounded by my new sobriety. Importantly, Im always infinetly more vulnerable than others to relapse and Im constantly on gaurd. It gets exhausting, and Id love it if there was a God that helped me out in this effort. I think this is why people like this make believe and reap the benefits associated with lesser exhaustion as a consequence.
Yup. I'm an atheist in recovery so trust me I've heard this sooo many times. They are too afraid to get clean alone, so they need a religious security blanket. They basically start using manifestion to give themselves something 'stronger' then themselves. Paraphrasing here, but the Big Book says something like 'I can't, but He (god) can'.
A stupid version of the stupid Pascal's wager: "If you're gonna live your life like there's no God, .. you better be right!!!" Why believe in the stories that you hear as a consequence of where you were born? No atheist lives life like there's no god. That's as stupid as saying that you immediately become naughty because you realized that there's no Santa watching your every move.
1:00 you produce gods certificate of "good godding" and show me the metrics by which he earned this certification and the agency that ceritfied it and I'll trust him to pilot the universe the way i trust the FAA and pilots to get me to where im going
He almost nearly got it, but then reverted to type, I'm sure he'll come away from this learning nothing because his bible is too close to his heart and hes still convinced got saved him, despite him telling us that it was him alone.
That is the problem with calvanism. Maybe you can begin to understand why there’s so many different Christian denominations. There’s so many that will issue claims that they save themselves, which is morally equal to atheistic philosophies, and they’d be better off studying humanism rather than their own religion for moral guidance.
Life = Can maintain stable internal environment, cellular organization, can metabolize fuel to generate energy and nutrients, will grow and develope, can adapt, and can reproduce. When creationists claim that life can only come from life, what are they talking about? Do they think that their god is alive??? Or do they mean that life can only come from a supernatural entity with no physical attributes? Not as catch as life can only come from life.
Quecee, can I invite a godling that I'm chatting with to come on the live-chat? He is armaggon5920 and the chat I've been having is on video called WOW Signal of the Terrestrial Genetic Code ,put the comments to show newest and there are 131 comments on the thread. Might be fun to have a new person to chat with.
GOD DOES NOT ACTUALLY EXIST EXCEPT FOR AS A CONCEPT: For those who claim God actually exists (besides as a concept), consider the following: a. An actual eternally existent absolute somethingness truly existing. b. An actual eternally existent absolute somethingness that has consciousness, memories and thoughts truly existing. People who claim God actually and eternally exists basically are claiming that 'b' above is correct but yet simultaneously seem to be saying that 'a' is impossible to occur. 'a' above can exist without 'b' existing but 'b' cannot exist unless 'a' exists. Even per the scientific principal of Occam's razor, 'a' is more probable of being really true rather than 'b'. I am one step away from proving God's existence, but am unable to find any actual evidence to do so. And nobody I've talked to seems to have any actual evidence of God's actual existence either. All humans appear to have are 'Theories of God'. Some humans appear to go their whole life basing their life upon their specific theory of God. Many give their God human characteristics and cannot even prove the existence of their God much less the characteristics given to their God. Some have circumstantial arguments for a God's existence, but others have circumstantial arguments for no God existing. Not one has any actual factual evidence that their God actually factually even exists. Hence, at this time in the analysis, God does not actually exist except for as a concept created by humans for humans. Humans have personified Nature and called that personification "God". Instead of what is claimed "God created man in God's image", it's more likely that "Man created God in Man's image". Further consider that if the emotional parts of the brain override the logic and reasoning parts of the brain, people can be made to believe basically anything at all as being really true. It has also been scientifically proven that the brain makes up stuff to 'fill in the blanks' of it's perceived reality. Technology is often needed to perceive items that are outside of the human senses' capabilities. Plus modern science has already proven that humans can have visual and audio hallucinations that are very real to that individual. All the more reason for critical thinking being needed and to follow the facts wherever those facts might lead. Some people for some reason (social conditioning/brainwashing/wishful thinking) even believe in future eternity without end but do not accept eternity past with no beginning. In addition, while modern science does not know what consciousness actually is yet, memories and thoughts appear to require a physical correctly functioning brain to have those items occur. Where is God's brain? Where are God's memories stored at? How are God's memories stored and retrieved? How does God think even a single coherent thought? If inside of this space time dimension we appear are existing in, then where? If outside of this space time dimension we appear are existing in, then where is the interface between that dimension and this dimension? No such interface has been discovered as of yet as far as I am currently aware of. * Note: Since this is a search for the real absolute truth concerning God, Intelligent Designer, Pre-existent Consciousness, etc, feel free to copy and paste this elsewhere to further the analysis and discussion. * For those who claim God actually exists besides just as a concept, please prove that 'b' above is really true and that 'a' is not really true.
Additionally: a. Modern science claims energy cannot be created nor destroyed, hence energy is eternally existent. b. An absolute somethingness cannot come from an absolute nothingness, so an absolute somethingness always existed, most probably being energy itself. c. Universe ALWAYS existed in some form and NEVER had a beginning, No Creator Needed. 'a' is true, is it not? 'b' is true, is it not? If 'a' and 'b' are true, then no creator is needed in 'c'. * Some people for some reason (social conditioning/brainwashing/wishful thinking) believe in future eternity without end but do not accept eternity past with no beginning.
@@DJ-Synth The universe always existed in some form and never had a beginning. Even the singular big bang theory is just a fairy tale for various reasons. Galaxies and life come into existence, galaxies collapse in upon themselves, 'bang' generating a huge nebula cloud eventually generating a new galaxy with new life in it, of which the galaxy then collapses in upon itself in a never ending cycle. We are just the latest version of galactic life alive right now is all.
@@DJ-Synth Also: Please show how 'b' is really true and that 'a' is not really true in the God analysis above. Nobody has been able to do so as of yet, but hey, maybe you are the one.
Since the current analysis indicates that all life on and from this Earth, real and artificial, are all going to die and go extinct one day, everything everyone has ever worked for and some even fought and died for, are all ultimately going to nobody. All of life itself is ultimately meaningless in the grand scheme of things. (Subject to revision as new information might dictate).
@@ALTDOK667 SMART PEOPLE AND/OR AI'S NEEDED: Consider the following: UNLESS the following Impossible Mission is successfully accomplished, our very life and existence does not ultimately matter: MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: (Or so it currently appears): For those who have the mental and physical resources to help (including AI's): Try to save at least 1 single species on and from this Earth to exist beyond this Earth, solar system and most probably collapsing spiral shaped galaxy into a universe that never ends in a big freeze (the singular big bang theory is a fairy tale for various reasons) or by some other means so that life itself on and from this Earth has continued meaning and purpose to potentially throughout all of future eternity. (Otherwise, all life on and from this Earth, real and artificial, eventually dies and goes extinct, is ultimately meaningless in the grand scheme of things, and are all a waste of spacetime in this universal existence.) * Mission Impossible of the Highest Order: MIHO. * Nature is our greatest ally in so far as Nature gives us life and a place to live it, AND Nature is also our greatest enemy that is going to take it all away. (Can we change the ending?)
@@ALTDOK667 I responded to you but checking back, it appears YT hid my reply. For you and/or anybody else who wants to see my reply: 'Sort by' up above; Select 'Newest first'; Scroll down to this thread and select 'replies'.
It would be useful to ask about details: age range, employment status, & social support. Younger people, unemployed people, unsupported people tend to struggle more to recover from Alcohol Or Drug Use than than middle-aged, employed, and/or supported people. All the things the caller tried to use (recovery program, psychotherapy, meditative practice, etc.) which did not result in sobriety/recovery were still in his memory contributing to increasing potential to recover. It took time, during which he aged (eventually gaining more perspective), figured out how to keep a job, and figuring out how to put together a social support network to enhance his recovery efforts. Callers like this often claim that they had tried 'everything' before 'finding God'. Well, "trying everything" takes time, and perseverance and commitment, and this helps them learn what social supports help support recovery and which do not. They don't often realize that they were ever so slowly increasing their ability to successfully recover. What seems evident to them is that, finally, they were able to recover. Since they hadn't been successful before, something else must exist to account for their success. Age, experience, better social support, employment. Oh, yeah, that.
All Mark did is substitute one addition (God/religion) for another (alcohol). Happens ALL THE TIME. A huge portion of those that kick addictions (doesn't matter what kind) attribute their success to a god when, in fact, they did it without any supernatural intervention.
Scientists have calculated that if all water on Earth were liquified (polar ice caps melted, mountain snow and ice melted, Greenland Ice melted, all atmospheric clouds and water vapor condensed, etc.), the global sea level would rise by about 250 feet. Not exactly a global flood. Sure, all coastal cities would be destroyed. But at 300’ elevation, good old Fresno would almost become oceanside property!
I have been to AA. They just tell you to invent your own gawd. Just like Dumbo's feather. And you Have to say the Lord's prayer at the end. KEEP COMING BACK, IT WORKS. But not for everyone.
If the caller has gone through a 12 step program, one of the steps is accepting a higher power. I would avoid conversations about god with any recovering addiction. I would hate to derail someone’s sobriety over a pointless argument about the existence of god. Changing this guy’s belief isn’t going to change the world, and might mess up his life.
A - How is Atheism “a bit extreme in it’s quest for logic is itself”? …whatever that means. B - Your life being “100% indulgent” is irrelevant. Many people who believe in a God can live indulgent lives & many people who don’t believe in a God can live non-indulgent lives. Many people have changed their behavior & lives without “experiences” they attribute to a god. Many people have also changed their lives with “experiences” they attribute to a Different God to the one you believe in. If someone living an indulgent life has an “experience” of demons & Mohammed…..does that mean the Muslims have got the correct Religion? If someone has an “Experience” where Santa Claus appears to them & tells them to change their life….does that mean Santa is real?
and it WASNT ur god or anything like it that made u stop. it wasxthe risk of getting locked up for a VERY LONG TIME and u didnt want that risk. so common sence was one of the MAJOR factors for u to change. and that religious rehab dont really help that many. they send more into continue the bad ways that they accually help and thats an accual FACT
This guy is very well versed in all the creationists rubbish , I don’t believe that he is a relatively recent convert . In the way he talks , it sounds to me as if he has been brought up with all this curation, flood garbage. He may have been a little bit bad as some stage and is just exaggerating to make a point about ‘ sinner saved’ by god magic .
Sure, faith isn't everything. How about a description of a nuke 2500+ years ago ? Would that be a bit more substantive? Here you go: Zechariah 5 (if you can be bothered to read it.. swap 'woman' for 'fire offering' since they're the same word. Good luck!)
people like mark have a deep set desperate NEED to believe their worldview is true so they can keep leaning on the crutch that is holding them up. Sad.
Didn't Jesus say much on faith? As Peter supposedly walked on the sea of Galilee. Jesus saying, "He who believes in me will do works I have and even greater than these..." Ever see a Christian show their faith by walking on water. All one Christian has to do on camera, is walk on water and the world would be Christian. So, either Christians don't have the 'faith,' or the story is made up and fake. I want to know, which is it.
@@atum497you can have all the confidence you like in your faith... doesn't make it correct or even justified. *Faith* noun: _The excuse given when you don't have evidence._
We all use faith, everyone. In the simple things like washing ourselves and thinking about the next day and brushing our teeth, and looking after children and going to school for example. Ordinary things have faith embedded in them. The spiritual version of faith draws us closer to God and creates us to be more like Him. Jesus is the way to spiritual faith.
You are conflating justified belief with unjustified belief. Unjustified belief (what you call "the spiritual version of faith") only draws you further away from reality and further into delusion.
I don't. You have equivocation fallacy. "Jesus is the way to spiritual faith" Show me the historical documents where jesus as the son of god was called by name outside of the bible.
How do I use faith when brushing my teeth!? Or going to school or thinking of the next day? Even when conflating trust with faith, those would still be very poor examples imho.
Well I can't say I was ever atheist, thats a bit extreme in its quest for logic in itelself, but there was no God or Christ attached to my beliefs in my life. My life was 100 percent indulgent. It was one big party. From age 14 to 35 it had always been booze, coke, sex , party, music etc. I was being a good boy if I was just smoking weed everyday. I didn't even realize how bad of a person I was. I Had a dream after my seperation at my lowest point on an alcohol/cocaine bender. I had two. One right after the other that changed my life forever. One involved demons, the devil. hell and something I'll call "separation from God". The other involved the man we call Jesus. The separation from God was something I had never felt in the real world, but it was by far the worst thing I've ever felt in my life. Like a sensation of being buried deep down in blackness for eternity with nothing but loneliness and hopelessness. The sadness and darkness is indescribable. However. On the contrary the opposite feelings were indescribable when I was in the face of Jesus. Call them dreams and you're not wrong, but it made a believer out of me! I cried out to him for the first time in my life and he answered. Now i have to adjust my life to this truth. It's been 5 years and I'm on the path but still no ideal example albeit I'm a MUCH different and better person and maybe not always a nice man, but always a good man. One thing I would say is even if hypothetically non of it was true, I see how just having the belief brings people peace and makes them better people with better morals and I can't see why we would want to diminish or discourage that ideology. It's existed this long and this far and wide. Only in this crazy new age do we see it as crazy! Eh, I hope and pray all of you are given a sign 🙏. It's all our own paths.
@@Shamusmusic416 some peoples bar on what they consider evidence is so low that they’ll believe anything. Your testimonial, while might be convincing for you, would never be considered evidence by anyone with critical thinking skills. Can you give some good evidence?
I've seen a ton of Christians change the subject when you ran them into a corner, this is the first time I've heard you guys use that tactic. Your pivot to the bible was pretty disingenuous, he didn't bring it up, you did.
He brought up that he wasn't much concerned about truth if something may have utility. Bringing up the bible was related to that as an example. Apart from that, hosts are not allowed to bring things up...? How is it disingenuous to ask a question?
I'll believe the Creator of all things (Jesus Christ) before I believe finite (limited) man. When I thought I could believe man they tried teaching me I was an ape man. At a very young age I knew better. Man lies especially those who don't know the truth (Jesus Christ). This world is going to go through a tribulation period, chaos like mankind has never seen in history before. Jesus Christ is the answer, believe it or not. Our only hope of salvation.
@@Lord.1337-7 Read your bible the truth (Jesus Christ) will set you free. 2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god (little g - Satan - the devil) of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. This evil world is about to find out how evil the devil - Satan really is. Chaos is right around the corner like this world has never seen in history. Take your head out of the sand. Evil/sin runs rampant, and it is getting worse every day. God/Jesus Christ offers all the free gift of God. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing.
@@Lord.1337-7 You mock. That's because you don't know the truth (Jesus Christ). Take your head out of the sand and look around. this evil world is about to go through chaos like it has never seen before in history. Evil/sin runs rampant and is getting worse every day. laugh and mock God/Jesus Christ. God's wrath is coming soon, and you think it's a joke. So sad!
1 Corinthians 2:14 KJV 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned 1 Corinthians 15:3-8 3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures John 3:16 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life ROMANS 10:13 For “whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
superstition - noun 1a: a belief or practice resulting from ignorance, fear of the unknown, trust in magic or chance, or a false conception of causation b: an irrational abject attitude of mind toward the supernatural, nature, or God resulting from superstition 2: a notion maintained despite evidence to the contrary Merriam-Webster
Faith truly does NOT always lead to truth: If someone determines to throw themselves off a Highrise, no matter how much faith they exhibit that they will suddenly sprout wings and be saved from death, that faith will not materialize into truth. But seeking to find GOD of the Bible requires faith to find the Truth of His existence and presence in your life. You don't have to like it. You don't have to agree with it. You don't have to see the need for it. But you are not God. So, if you want to find God, to know His love and promise - and purpose for you as stated in John 3 16 and Ephesians 1:4 - then YOU must take a step of faith toward Him.
@@justbeingme003 why don't YOU find all that out with a personal humble and sincere journey? That's the journey ALL believers have to take. John 3 16 invites you to know THAT God's love and promise to you. To find Him and know Him, you have to seek Him. To seek Him you have to have some beginning 'inkling' that He exists. His Word tells you exactly how to know that He is who He says He is (John 8 28). If you REALLY want to know, follow the directions Jesus gives you by implementing His teachings and character into your daily life and testing His promises contained in His many Names - then seeing for yourself what kind of God He is and why He gave us the path He gave us.
Allah said: [Prophet], when your Lord took out the offspring from the loins of the Children of Adam and made them bare witness about themselves, He said, ‘Am I not your Lord?’ and they replied, ‘Yes, we bear witness.’ So you cannot say on the Day of Resurrection, ‘We were not aware of this.
Repent. Believe in Jesus Christ for salvation and become a new person in this life. Luke 13:3 KJV I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Romans 10:9 KJV That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Where is Jesus right now? If you say 'Heaven', then I ask, where exactly is 'Heaven'? Humans have been to the clouds, above the clouds, and even into outer space. No 'Heaven' nor Jesus found. Note also, God not found there either. So, where exactly is Jesus right now?
@@charlesbrightman4237 No human has been to "outer space" or the moon. Up above us is the firmament that holds back the waters of heaven which is why the sky is blue. Jesus is in heaven and will be making His return shortly, after the 7 year tribulation, to rule and reign on earth for a thousand years.
Oh if only these poor atheists would open their hearts to our Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth and turn away from their sinful nature and stop worshipping idols and committing adultery I believe some demons are given license to possess the living and torment them into thinking that death is simply nothing more than the grave I pray all the people of the world will hear the gospel amen. Ephesians 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
Come back when you've bothered to look up the definition of "atheist". Because how the FUDGE does "doesn't believe in any gods" translate to "worshiping idols"!?
We are still waiting for you to provide some good verifiable evidence that you are right about your creator g0d and that one billion Hindus are wrong about theirs. What's the hold up?
"stop worshipping idols" You mean like an idol such as a figure on a cross or wearing cross around your neck? Those are idols... "and committing adultery" I never got married so I can't commit adultery.... ' I believe some demons" There's no such thing... Are you a mental case? "I pray all the people of the world " Here's a better idea: GROW UP AND GET A MENTAL HEALTH ASSESSMENT! F**k why is it you people post like retreads and thing we are going to listen to you.... Do you really think we are as stupid as you?
@@DenisK21 Romans 1:23 teaches us that all people exchange the truth about God for a lie, choosing to worship the creation rather than the Creator. That includes atheists. John Calvin was right when he said that man’s sinful nature produces a “perpetual factory of idols.” Undoubtedly, an atheist’s idol will look different than a Buddhist statue (@holgerlubotzki3469) The atheist may rely solely on his own reason to decide what’s true, he may give himself fully to physical pleasure, or, as Jesus put it, he may choose to serve money rather than God (Matthew 6:24). God’s assessment is still the same: Many atheists have rejected God simply because they don’t like the God revealed in Scripture. Regardless of the reason, atheists are no strangers to idolatry, and God’s assessment is still the same thank you.
@@user-qsdf9br3e We are still waiting for you to provide some good verifiable evidence that you are right about your creator g0d and that one billion Hindus are wrong about theirs. What's the hold up?
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I love this call because the caller starts with the idea that his faith helps him and does no harm, and ends with cowardice, conspiracy theories, and general ignorance of the world around him.
I just noticed that ..
Remember, if you don’t sin, Jesus died for nothing.
I dont have sins @@DJ-Synth
@@DJ-SynthI've never sinned
Since 'God' does not actually exist except for as a concept alone, 'sin' does not actually exist except for as a concept alone. A concept cannot do anything in and of itself. A concept is just that, a concept is all.
@@charlesbrightman4237
Exactly! 👍
he didn't die....he just gave up a week end
I'm in recovery from addiction. Been in recovery for about 5 years now. I'm also an atheist. I finally got clean when I hit rock bottom. The withdrawls were so intense that my plan was to unalive by throwing myself off a bridge when I finally ran out of money/support. I had to decide that my life was worth living and worth fighting for.
You know what didn't help at all? Any god or religion. In fact it was a HUGE obstacle to my recovery. I live in NE Ohio where AA was founded, it's really big here. ALL of the sober living houses are religious, they require church attendance and mandatory bible studies. All of the inpatient rehabs are also religious. I tried going to meetings but they told me I'd end up dead or institutionalized because I wouldn't give my life over to a 'higher power' (it's always Jesus lol) that I didn't believe in. They refused to help me because I wouldn't join their cult.
I finally found outpatient treatment and some meeting that were based more on volunteering and giving back then just religion, even tho it was still VERY religious. At every meeting there was someone who always said god was the 'only' way- which is super annoying when you are trying to do it on your own. Everyone else was handed a literal how to book while I had to figure it out by myself.
Fortunately I did. Today I work in a medical field where I deal with patient care, many of whom have either addictions or mental illness. I have a psychology degree, which doesn't increase my income but is still super helpful. My coworkers often come to me to deal with difficult patients because I'm so good at it.
I also have an amazing partner and my family supporting me. My life isn't perfect, I'm pretty broke most of the time but I'm killing it.
What I hate the most about religious recovery like AA and bible based treatments is it takes away all your hard work. Anything good you did- NOPE. God did it. You are totally powerless and god did it all for you. But anytime you slip or f^ck up that's on YOU. It's so toxic. Being in recovery is the hardest thing I've ever done. I completely changed my life. ME. It was SO HARD. But I put in the work, did so much therapy, got my mental health & meds sorted, exercised and got healthy etc. It was literally the hardest thing I ever did. And I refuse to give that away to something that I have no evidence even exists. I am NOT powerless, I am POWERFUL.
Sorry but that caller can suck it. I'm glad he got better, but he (and working 2nd shift plus overtime) is why I don't go to meeting anymore. I'm so sick of all the credit for my work being taken away and given to some bullsh^t fake deadbeat dad that only shows up when I do something sexual it doesn't like, or take it's name in vain lol. It wasn't there when I was in active addiction, withdrawl, OR in recovery. I was.
Congratulations on your recovery. Here in California, we have the option of going to A.A. with religion, and A.A. without religion. I was rather disappointed when A.A. without religion still pushes the core belief that you are broken and in need of a higher power. They allow you to pick your own higher power. So, I went with Gandalf. Unfortunately, they still used the book Alchoholics Anonymous, written by a prosetylizer and womanizer. Wikepedia has a nice bit on him. The 12 step programs are just a sneaky way to push religion, like church charity. And, they are not very effective, there are better programs that are secular.
I'm proud of You 💜
keep up the good work
That toxic relationship is why I STRONGLY disagree with the major religions _not_ being referred to as "cults". In this case, it's appalling that the underlying ethos is that EVERYONE is permanently, and unrecoverably monstrous (so much so that we are deserving of _ETERNAL TORTURE),_ and that no matter how hard you work at something, it's not you who did the good thing, that was God's doing. 🤮
It's mind boggling that people think that you need to adopt this "irrevocably broken" mindset in order to recover.
"If you do something bad, it's your fault. If you did something good, god did it"...
How can something that obviously problematic continues to survive and has that many believers ? And how can they consider that god to be good ?
I'll never understand when people deny the true power of their own free will.
Because some of us have felt how that power enslaved us. The dualistic way of things. I 🙏 you get your sign too brother.
Awesome response. Illusions of power corrupt and control us.
@@Shamusmusic416 I didn’t know a 3 point dunk existed in reality, but you just did it to win the championship game.
It's a scary thing to realize you, and only you, can have control and power over your life. Little kids come up with imaginary friends, have stuffed animals, or dolls. They are told to believe in Santa, Easter bunnies, tooth fairies, etc. At some point the kids stop believing in those things because they don't make sense.
But, the religious crutch was designed to continue your entire existence. And, the stakes for not believing are so high people just play it safe.
@@IamnotJohnFord nice narrative, but that is specifically the opposite of reality.
People excitedly and willingly embrace the idea they have control and power.
But, of course, even in your fiction you just have to unironically sound as much like a Sith Lord as possible
“take control of the power that lies before you”
Literally the Garden of Eden allegory played out over and over again since the beginning of our time.
Stop eating that damn fruit!
There is 2 parachutes, one of them is packed badly, you have to pick one. Faith is asking god which one to pick and then choosing one based on a sign you need to interpret. An evidence based decision is asking someone who professionally packs parachutes all day to have a quick look and tell you which parachute seems to be packed better. The better packed parachute might STILL not deploy, but the second decision is still not "based on faith", it's based on examinable evidence. There is also a reason parachutes have "a backup parachute", it's because we know that even under perfect conditions, something can still go wrong, ie we never have an exact 100% trust.
It's closer to someone giving you an invisible parachute and telling you that it works better than any real parachute. And you want to then convince as many people to also take this invisible parachute.
@@ChallengeYourBeliefs
It's the Peter Pan fallacy. You can fly if you only believe earnestly enough. And if you fall to your death, so sad, must not have had enough faith.
Any wonder Christians can't walk on water.
An expert in parachutes would know that you always pack your own parachute. If you were to pack someone else's parachute and it failed, you might be held liable.
@@taurculh69
Fairh... having faith in something I know is worthy of my faith. A story in the bible is NOT faith. It's Russian roulette. Science is something to trust in. Like asking me to trust Jim Jones... which many did and failed miserably.
Knock knock. Who's there? Jesus Christ. What do you want? I want to save you! Save me from what? Save you from myself if you don't let me in!
I love that. Have that on my 'post it' wall.
Having a hope in God does not make God real
Needing God also does not make him real.
In the same way, telling us that you have a stable relationship with your parents doesn't influence reality.
To clarify the meaning of this, you can't prove that the love that atheists supposedly feel is the same kind of love that Christians feel.
This is the result of your dishonest philosophy. You destroy the potential for ideas to contain objective truth.
@@DJ-Synth Okay, and where's evidence for your claim that everything was created by a god?
@@stephenolan5539Touché.
Consider this: when hosts assign callers homework-asking them to research a topic they were uninformed or misinformed about, or leaving them with a question to ponder before calling back-what percentage do you think actually follow through?
Based on the numerous calls I've listened to, especially from repeat callers, my estimate is only about 20%. There are only a handful of instances where callers review their previous discussions or thoroughly research a topic that was beyond their understanding. Many callers seem to rely on the hosts to answer all their pressing questions. When dissatisfied with the answers, they often deflect to another topic or question, especially when they're cornered by a logical argument. This pattern underscores a reluctance to engage deeply with challenging concepts and to seek out information independently.
The pattern or the name of the podcast needs to change because it's not about the atheist experience. It's about arguing over nonsense with people who have indoctrination-induced personality disorders. I'd rather listen to fellow atheists calling in to talk about things that matter to us, like stopping christian nationalism from taking over the US government.
The Atheist Experience has been on for over 27 seasons @@willdwyer6782 & Only things that have Changed are the Callers & Hosts from time to time over 27 seasons. The Hosts have NO Control over Who CALLS In or the Topics Callers call about.
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@@willdwyer6782But that sorta runs the risk of it becoming an echo chamber. That's why it's important to talk to people with different beliefs, so we can examine the beliefs, the reasoning and arguments, and hopefully expand the minds of the people listening to the show.
@@willdwyer6782the name doesn't need to change, you should change your viewing habits.
I think the problem is that religions ultimately restrict seeking knowledge. This because they make unsubstantiated claims and seeking knowledge can undermine those claims by showing them to be false.
Religions essentially fall back on: Believe what we say to believe, do what we say to do.
Next time someone asks, "what's the harm? I have everything to gain and nothing to lose by believing without evidence...". Just show them this.
Nothing to lose? This person has lost their ability to think clearly, to empathize or love without threats and dire consequences, to evaluate evidence uniformly, to have confidence in himself to overcome addiction without a crutch that cannot be demonstrated to even be real, and to be honest in the face of challenges to the tenuous things accepted with crap evidence.
This is the harm. It damages your psyche so deeply that if you question it and it inevitably crumbles apart if you ever decide to be honest, all of these things that make up the bulk of your identity come undone along with it.. You essentially have to relearn all these basic things and learn how exist as a person in REALITY.
The flood, evolution, etc.... These are all things that were told to him to prop up the crap reason to believe in the first place. But they want you to FEEL like it makes sense, it doesn't have to actually make sense. Look at all these crazy things you have to sacrifice and cling to for this "harmless belief" for fear of losing your identity. Please... tell me again how harmless it is....
It's truly sad to listen to. Where another Christian hears a godly, devout individual.... We see it for what it is. A really damaged person who never got the help they actually needed and is perpetually being told that faith and these very things that are damaging him mentally and making him talk like an emotional toddler with an equivalent epistemology and scientific knowledge, are the things that he should strive for to become a good person in the eyes of a being who can't even be shown to exist. What an evil fucking religion that turns people into this.
If it would be readable, I would put your words onto t-shirt. Amazing. Big up.
Why is it atheist can't comprehend the meaning of evidence.
Anyway there is some things people believe in faith that have horrific consequences like the idea your child is born with a brain of a different gender in their body. Atheist humanist seem to adopt this faith-based belief recently.
Atheists have a lot of faith-based beliefs like the idea their ancestors were sea creatures. Some also believe in the supernatural aka the idea of the origins of Life came into existence without God.
Atheism requires no evidence it requires no logic it doesn't even require the ability to think it's a disbelief. If you replaced the brain of somebody who believed in God with a rock and you did the same thing with an atheist you would end up with two atheists because neither one of them would have the ability or willingness to accept God if they had a rock in their head instead of a brain
@@AtheismIsDestructiveYou are indeed clueless. I'd rather have rocks in my head than be empty of reason like yourself.
Wow. Ya I think billions of people for thousands of years would disagree but let's just pretend YOU figured it all out brother. Amazing. I've learned ot from you people. Your hatred towards Christ is actually perculiar.
@Shamusmusic416 Yeah, no hatred, just sympathy, compassion, concern, and pity for the multitude of individuals who have committed their lives to the writings of bronze age grifters. The only hate is your Christian "love".
When they say they believe the Bible is the word of God, and then you confront them with the Bible passages on slavery (always a good one to bring up), genocide, etc..
and they start to get uncomfortable, well.. it's "in for a penny, in for a pound".
@@Shamusmusic416
"Agree with it or not, he's the almighty power."
Nope...
See, you have no proof...
Your claim is as valid as :" Agree with it or not, Odin is the almighty power. "
or Agree with it or not, Quetzalcoatl is the almighty power. "
@@t800fantasm2 I don't diasgree
We would have been very much in agreement 5 years ago.
@@Shamusmusic416 >> Agree with it or not, he's the almighty power.
Two words: prove it.
"in for a penny, in for a pound"
Theists are like: you have to go to church, you have to find faith, you have follow the word of the Bible.
Then I'm like: But I was born out of wedlock and Deuteronomy 23:2 says I can't attend church because I was born out of wedlock. To add to it, Leviticus 21:20 says that dwarves, people with bad eyesight, bad backs, skin disease or "broken stones" cannot attend church. I have arthritis in my neck, and wear glasses.
If the Bible is infallible, then I get a hall pass!
As a Gay man,, a Hugh Hefner party for eternity would be Hell.
🍻👍
@@ookekklibarianbornagain6708 Hey,, I just thought about that. Maybe as a Gay man,, that is how God sends me to Hell?
LMAO.
Maybe you can answer this question. Why is somebody who's a member of the lgbtq community approximately 3 times more likely to be an atheist according to a Pew research report ?
I believe evidence suggests that the reason why they chose to be unwilling to accept God is because they know in the moral conscience the lifestyles they live are immoral and they chose to ignore the moral conscience and adopt the philosophy of do as a Wilt and the ends justified the means.
If they didn't reject God they would have to acknowledge their moral conscience comes from God and what they're doing is completely immoral.
@@benjamindover5676 According to many Christians you send yourself to Hell, so you might want to send yourself somewhere else.
Faith is accepting another's statements as true without a skeptical test. So maybe faith and responsibility are opposites. One who is responsible may listen to another's proposition but they don't give a cart blanche open mind. They have some standards of coherence, evidence, and conciliance that must be met before they think of something as true. They also have a low tolerance for dissonance within their worldview picture.
Faith = willful ignorance.
Never stop learning.
Not totally consciously wilful in reality denial - he was slowly conditioned into a brain state where his brain simply shuts down when confronted with adverse information until the onslaught of reality has subsided. For him nothing in between happened.
Like in Germany in the 1930s (btw, 98% of germans in Nazi Germany were christians, just 0.3% or so were atheists) people had learned not to "look in certain directions" - not to eaver ask themselves the question why the Goldblums next door had moved away, out of Germany, why the store of the Silbersteins was not owned and led by an Mr. Meier, and so on.
Do you have faith that your asinine claim is correct? If not, where is your proof?
@@DJ-Synthit's clearly obvious that you don't know what evidence is.
@@charlesbrightman4237 🤔
It is not just faith in some amorphous, invisible, supernatural entity, it is the systems of religion whose books are based on false history, contrived stories, great ignorance and all manner of failures. The only way formal religion survives is to brainwash young children to believe mythology is true and then add in shame, guilt and fear to prevent questioning of what they have been inculcated with. No matter how benign some might feel about religious membership, it is, at its core, a heinous and dangerous practice.
Mark's call is truly sad, it is a great example of how religion will screw up a person's mind
The comment section is already full of wannabe preachers, failing to provide any evidence for god thingies .
Makes me wonder what they think their counterproductive preaching is going to achieve ?
@sideboob6851 We are all just one Bible quote away from believing in a god who's willing to commit planetary genocide buy unwilling to forgive us for sins that he made up, unless we clap and pretend that he was a genius for coming up with a Rube Goldberg contraption of forcefully impregnating a girl to send his son to die temporarily, all to give himself an excuse for sending people to an eternal torture. It's not his fault, according to God, that the unbelievers chose eternal punishment.
Is there any actual Christian who believes that anyone would prefer eternal torture if you were given an actual evidence that there is such a thing?
If you were given a choice to give me ten thousand dollars to get a billion dollar from a Nigerian prince or delete that spam, would you actually choose to throw away the billion dollars?
This comment section is already filled with people unwilling or unable to accept God AKA atheist. They will claim things like God doesn't exist. God is a fairytale and when I asked them if they believe the origins of Life came into existence without God they run away they won't answer the question. They have no problem telling me they believe the origins of Life didn't come into existence because of God but they won't tell me if they believe it came into existence without God. Very strange they say God doesn't exist but they won't tell me if they believe the origins of Life came into existence without God . They won't say it because they don't want to provide evidence proving that the origins of Life came into existence because of a non intelligent occurrence because they have no evidence for it.
Atheist love to claim that atheism is the default position that they have no burden of proof and that atheism is also whatever they say it is .
If there's any atheist out there who believes the origins of Life came into existence without God and can provide evidence to why they believe that , in return I will provide at least the same level of evidence to why I believe in God and we will see which one is more logical .
PS if I happen to find any atheists to take me up on my offer if you're going to argue that you believe the origins of Life came into existence without God because you never seen God I'm just going to argue I believe in God because I never seen life pop into existence because of a non intelligent occurrence. Like I said I will give an equal or greater amount of evidence to why I believe in God for your evidence to why you believe the origins of Life came into existence God.
@@AtheismIsDestructive Why do you have so much disbelief of evolution? Is it because you are unwilling or unable to accept scientific data???
I believe that origin of life came into existence without god. Strange how you keep lying that atheists don't say this and lie and say that atheists believe that god created life. Did your fictional god create lying? And do you call your god Rachel Levine just because of your obsession???
@@AtheismIsDestructive BTW, you will keep your streak of being a coward and will run away from my stream later today. Right?
Yeah. I thought so.
@@ChallengeYourBeliefs just because that version of reverse psychology works on you it doesn't mean it works on other people.
If you want me to come on your stream why don't you ask.
Have you corrected your other can't Believe it's not butter thread after my exposing all your lies your intellectual dishonesty and straw manning.
Less than 5 hours until this weeks live stream on QC's channel. Will any of you theists show?
I bloody hope so and not that git Diva who thinks the KJV bible in not a Protestant version of the bible🤣
There are two kinds of faith: reality-based faith, and faith-based faith. Reality-based faith is merely recognizing that reality is consistent with itself, so it's the most reasonable variety of faith. Faith-based faith boils down to believing what you're told just because someone said so. If it were consistent with objective reality, it would be reality-based faith, but because it is not, it can only be faith-based faith. And that's essentially the same as gullibility.
@@AtheismIsDestructive
"atheist have about their children being born with a brain of a different gender in their body."
WTF is your personal defect...
Gender and atheism have nothing to do with each other....
Do you post because you're a f**king moron or because you're a bigoted f**king moron?
Or is it because you have issues over your own gender...? Are you afraid of women?
Do you wonder if you have a clit or dick and the size isn't helping you figure it out?
Get help for your mental issues...
@@AtheismIsDestructive "faith-based belief that everything came from nothingness."
but no one except the most uneducated would think that was possible....
See, there never was a "nothingness".
Only Bible believers believe their God created everything from "nothingness"
Does Atheismis... really believe that being trans means being confused over what bits you've got? 🤡
@@AtheismIsDestructive "faith based beliefs of Christians resulted in the greatest civilization in the history of mankind which is modern Western Civilization. "
Because they slaughtered the rest of the people who disagreed...
They introduced their primitive religion at sword or gun point....
That being said, if we didn't have religion holding things back for centuries, civilization may have been far further developed and maybe we'd be a space faring species now....
@@AtheismIsDestructive " it's been proven to be an instinctive thought and or a logical conclusion."
Nope. There are cultures that never developed any sort of religion....
also, people are born atheist.... they develop religion through indoctrination, confirmation bias and self -delusion...
Mark is committing an Appeal to Consequences fallacy when he claims that the perceived benefits of his belief in a god imply that the god must be real.
It’s been 157 days since I’ve began counting and in that time not a single theist has been able to provide any convincing reason to believe in the existence of any god, gods or other divine or supernatural beings.
It’s been a bit since I updated my count since it seemed to be making the trolls uneasy and causing them to leave very manic posts.
I hate to cause that kind of discomfort with folks that can’t defend themselves or their faith.
@LeeannChriqui
Well actually they've shown that "demonic possession" is unlikely to be real and so many events claimed as being divine or god given have been shown not to be.
So your first sentence needs to be qualified as "science hasn't disproven all god/demon claims just most of them"
Remember the burden of proof and null position are important scientific "axioms".
Because personal experience is so subjective it needs external verification ti be considered true.
@LeeannChriqui thank you for providing an excellent example of the kind of empty rhetoric that many believers rely on.
You’re failure to provide any convincing reason to believe in the existence of any god, gods or other divine or supernatural beings also leaves the door open to also believing in things such as a creature that eats gods and the souls of their followers or even Santa.
If you disagree feel free to disprove both.
See how useless that is?
@@nealjroberts4050 I wouldn’t be too harsh on them about their failures.
They seem to still be learning.
@LeeannChriqui
The burden of proof isn't on anyone to disprove claims about "dark individual energies". The burden of proof is on those claiming said energies.
@LeeannChriqui
1. Yes, science CAN in fact, "disprove Gods/Demons". When a "God" is claimed to be the cause of "Effect X" (say, lightning) and we demonstrate that there is a natural process, we have disproved that God.
Belief ≠ acceptance and faith ≠ trust. There's a different mindset between secular usage and religious usage of words. Misuse is at best laziness or ignorance, if done willfully it's equivalent to lying.
If you are dependent on drugs and need something you can't prove. You have bad self-confidence.
Addiction and delusion.
@@DJ-SynthYou continually fail to prove creation.
@@DJ-Synth Provide evidence for that claim.
@@DJ-Synth Cool story bro. Now prove it.
@@DJ-Synth
Your source of circular argument, do you mean?
His "relationship with god produces positive results in his life".. is god like a genie? He is super SUPER superstitious. And his guilt and addictive personality is used against him by religion.
@@DJ-Synth I worry about him being preyed upon by someone like you.
@@DJ-Synth I never asked Jebus to die for me. I would never ask someone to do that.
@@DJ-Synthbull, Jesus was a scapegoat for God's cockup
@@DJ-Synth The teally divine version of Jesus as John described him
- KNEW he was divine,
- KNEW he was immortal,
- KNEW that he would RETURN to Heaven and exist on in timeless eternity
- KNEW of the importance of his task,
- KNEW exactly what would happen ("all is according to God's plan")
- KNEW that he could even say goodbye to his buddies and give them last instructions.
What happened to such a Jesus?
A day of inconvenience, 3 days of timeout, and then he went back to where devout christians cannot wait to get, and there he gets the best place.
How lucky that suicide is forbidden in christianity, otherwise millions of christians woulf kill themselves in the moment they think all their sins were forgiven and they surely go to Heaven.
After Muhammad's revelation "When you give your life in the name of Allah (i.e. die going to war for me), you will go into paradise immediately and have 72 virgins for you" was VERY successful. even the pope has a revelation that dying for God in the crusades brought you into Heaven (skipping the virgins).
And this shortcut to Salvation has run halfway out of fashion, luckily.
No, that was not a sacrifice for Jesus - that was a small inconvenience. Compared to the sure eternal Heaven, anyhow irrelevant.
I always thought that a Jesus that knew he was mortal, that that was his ONLY life, that all would be over when he died,
but was so persuaded by the importance of his new ideas that he rather gave his ONLY life than betray his ideas,
that such a Jesus would be WAY more impressive, way and his teachings more relevant.
Any soldier who sacrifices himself to save his comrades, or was captured and tortured and does not betray his comrades
is more impress ive to me.
You are only so keen because Jeus is a superstar with superpowers. You admire his powers, and as he is the supposed judge about eternal torture (and according to the Commandments, envying your neighbour's belongings is just as severe as murder), one better keept at good odds with him.
Many US christians long for the rapture, they want this world to end asap to get to Heaven, as they pais dearly to their preacher to receive the guarantee that their place in Heaven is booked.
I am baptized as catholic, in my country you have 10 years of religious lessions of your confession in school, NEVER heard we the hysterical fundamentalist ideas that US christians so love.
In the eyes of these US christians easily 90% of CHRISTIANS will go to Hell, AND THEY DON'T CARE. They think only they are relevant, their country is the Chosen one, they are the ones that get EVERYthing right that they could NEVER be wrong, literally to Hell with the others.
This mindset of vanity and arrogance and infallibility of these US christians brought mw to the point "When I have to endure (with unlimited dure-ation) these people forever - then I do not want to be in Heaven":
@@DJ-Synth I didn't ask god to sacrifice his son, did I? Stop trying to guilt trip with a fictional story..
If your religion says Anne Frank is in hell, but Nazis can go to heaven, then that says more about your gawd
Good and evil is blurred by man. Following Christ is what gets you in heaven. Twisting logics is what creates hell on earth
Anne Frank could have potentially come to Christ just like you can.
Not all germans knew why they were fighting.
It is specifically you who wishes suffering and death upon those you think deserve it, even while we pray for your salvation.
@@Shamusmusic416 Is it moral to own slaves?
@@dereknoto6555 slavery was a currency literally used by every civilization on earth. They were servants. Stop applying today's paradigm to the old world. Humans enslave humans . What specific slavery are you referring to btw?
@@Shamusmusic416 Chattel slavery. Leviticus 25:44-46. They were not servants. They were inheritable property. Read some scholarship.
Berlinski, that guy he threw in at the end, is not an agnostic - he works for the Discovery Institute. It just goes to show how the efforts of DI to dress themselves as serious academics have been successful amongst the Christian community.
'Faith' can mean a number of different things, which causes some confusion. There is the idea in some religious circles that belief in God is reasonable. Where the faith comes in is being prepared to rely on and trust in God.
The idea of just taking things on faith, on the other hand, is really the issue under discussion here. The problem is that that's quite arbitrary. Why believe in Christianity rather than something else? The reasons tend to be either cultural, personal, or both, none of which provide any reasonable indication of how likely it is to be true. I grew up in a Christian household in a mainly Christian culture. What does that have to do with the ultimate source and purpose of existence? Nothing at all, as far as anyone can reasonably infer!
"A man of reason does not accept ideas on faith. "
Nathaniel Branden
Humans are built to use their imaginations to tell stories, invent scenarios, and believe them. So I don't fault this man - or anyone else - for creating a narrative that includes a God figure, especially since he credits it for his recovery. My problem is with those who impose their belief system on others and use it as a litmus test for the worthiness of those who choose not to be theists. Especially when they use the power of the state to impose those beliefs.
@@jaflenbond7854 Hey, there you dick-less blunder... YOU are again reported for SPAM...
I'd report you for being a moron too, but they don't have that category yet...
The sooner people start admitting and taking responsibility for their own bad actions and decisions, the better the world will be. And the sooner people start realising it’s because of them and not god, that when they make better decisions, their life usually improves.
The thing here is that recovering addicts feel an indescribable change -- they truly cannot fathom how they went from their former hopelessly dead-end/get smashed everyday psyche to consistently sober. This transformation is so profound to the extent that it truly feels like the hand of God MUSTve done it. A non-addict will never understand this type of experience that feels tantamount to a downright MIRACULOUS experience. An addict is wired different.
Im one and like you seem to convey here, I eventually understood that everything is on me, and I have taken accountability for my actions, processed the factors involved, and made it out of my horrendously dark past reality. Yet, I still wake up on somedays absolutely dumbfounded by my new sobriety. Importantly, Im always infinetly more vulnerable than others to relapse and Im constantly on gaurd. It gets exhausting, and Id love it if there was a God that helped me out in this effort. I think this is why people like this make believe and reap the benefits associated with lesser exhaustion as a consequence.
Is that whole 'manifesting' stuff the same? Isn't that pretty much magical thinking?
Yup. I'm an atheist in recovery so trust me I've heard this sooo many times. They are too afraid to get clean alone, so they need a religious security blanket. They basically start using manifestion to give themselves something 'stronger' then themselves. Paraphrasing here, but the Big Book says something like 'I can't, but He (god) can'.
Saying you have Faith is like saying you like potato chips. 😂
Beliefs in religion is faith not confidence
A stupid version of the stupid Pascal's wager:
"If you're gonna live your life like there's no God, .. you better be right!!!"
Why believe in the stories that you hear as a consequence of where you were born? No atheist lives life like there's no god. That's as stupid as saying that you immediately become naughty because you realized that there's no Santa watching your every move.
There's a reason I call it Pascal's Roulette 😂
@@nealjroberts4050 Everybody is going to hell in somebody's religion.
@@paulcontursi5982
Indeed.
1:00 you produce gods certificate of "good godding" and show me the metrics by which he earned this certification and the agency that ceritfied it and I'll trust him to pilot the universe the way i trust the FAA and pilots to get me to where im going
caller should have read a few science books instead of the tribal holy book of nonsense.
_"Hell is an eternal separation from God."_
Sounds fantastic! :D Where do I sign up?
Sorry I'm a sinner because I stole this post from you, but I think I will ok as long as god is not near the heII. ;-)
There is zero evidence for any sort of magical sky daddy.
Why should a god judge me? Because he is the creator? If so that is utterly ridiculous.
Didn't "god" break some of "his" own commandments?
That is peculiar, isn't it?
Hugh Hefner? I would run from Heaven!
2nd that.
If heaven is playboy mansion and god is Hugh, then what the hell is Hell like? Boring vanilla? 😄
Hugh Hefner was a great man. He was a liberator in his own right.
I hear CANAD is beautiful this time of year
Hell is a hugh hefner party.
2nd that.
Less likely to need antibiotic after being in hell though.
Or a Diddy party.
I miss Don's chuckle.
I felt the same way when I came out of the closet. God was not necessary.
Why dont theists understand the differençe between blind faith vs confidence based on evidence.?
Imagine if Jesus said hate thy neighbor instead of love thy neighbor.
jesus did say "hate your mother and your father"...
@@holgerlubotzki3469 Hate everyone including yourself or you aren't my disciple.
Luke 19:27 says you can kill your neighbours if they are your enemies
He almost nearly got it, but then reverted to type, I'm sure he'll come away from this learning nothing because his bible is too close to his heart and hes still convinced got saved him, despite him telling us that it was him alone.
That is the problem with calvanism. Maybe you can begin to understand why there’s so many different Christian denominations.
There’s so many that will issue claims that they save themselves, which is morally equal to atheistic philosophies, and they’d be better off studying humanism rather than their own religion for moral guidance.
Well I have faith that God is a male 🤭
And a good Sunday Morning 🌞 AXP Fans and Theists ❤❤❤
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That's why we come here to have a human experience. SEX!
Somebody call all the experts, Mark here has figured out what is really meant by faith in the bible
Life = Can maintain stable internal environment, cellular organization, can metabolize fuel to generate energy and nutrients, will grow and develope, can adapt, and can reproduce.
When creationists claim that life can only come from life, what are they talking about? Do they think that their god is alive???
Or do they mean that life can only come from a supernatural entity with no physical attributes? Not as catch as life can only come from life.
Quecee, can I invite a godling that I'm chatting with to come on the live-chat?
He is armaggon5920 and the chat I've been having is on video called WOW Signal of the Terrestrial Genetic Code ,put the comments to show newest and there are 131 comments on the thread.
Might be fun to have a new person to chat with.
Nobody cares. Next question.
@@ookekklibarianbornagain6708 Sure. That's fine. Thanks for caring enough to reply to my post.😂😂
@@ChallengeYourBeliefs 🤣I'm not sure he will take up the invite, but let's see.
@@ookekklibarianbornagain6708 I love when your toxic posts get ghosted. Troll!
GOD DOES NOT ACTUALLY EXIST EXCEPT FOR AS A CONCEPT:
For those who claim God actually exists (besides as a concept), consider the following:
a. An actual eternally existent absolute somethingness truly existing.
b. An actual eternally existent absolute somethingness that has consciousness, memories and thoughts truly existing.
People who claim God actually and eternally exists basically are claiming that 'b' above is correct but yet simultaneously seem to be saying that 'a' is impossible to occur.
'a' above can exist without 'b' existing but 'b' cannot exist unless 'a' exists. Even per the scientific principal of Occam's razor, 'a' is more probable of being really true rather than 'b'.
I am one step away from proving God's existence, but am unable to find any actual evidence to do so. And nobody I've talked to seems to have any actual evidence of God's actual existence either. All humans appear to have are 'Theories of God'. Some humans appear to go their whole life basing their life upon their specific theory of God. Many give their God human characteristics and cannot even prove the existence of their God much less the characteristics given to their God. Some have circumstantial arguments for a God's existence, but others have circumstantial arguments for no God existing. Not one has any actual factual evidence that their God actually factually even exists. Hence, at this time in the analysis, God does not actually exist except for as a concept created by humans for humans. Humans have personified Nature and called that personification "God". Instead of what is claimed "God created man in God's image", it's more likely that "Man created God in Man's image".
Further consider that if the emotional parts of the brain override the logic and reasoning parts of the brain, people can be made to believe basically anything at all as being really true. It has also been scientifically proven that the brain makes up stuff to 'fill in the blanks' of it's perceived reality. Technology is often needed to perceive items that are outside of the human senses' capabilities. Plus modern science has already proven that humans can have visual and audio hallucinations that are very real to that individual. All the more reason for critical thinking being needed and to follow the facts wherever those facts might lead. Some people for some reason (social conditioning/brainwashing/wishful thinking) even believe in future eternity without end but do not accept eternity past with no beginning.
In addition, while modern science does not know what consciousness actually is yet, memories and thoughts appear to require a physical correctly functioning brain to have those items occur. Where is God's brain? Where are God's memories stored at? How are God's memories stored and retrieved? How does God think even a single coherent thought?
If inside of this space time dimension we appear are existing in, then where?
If outside of this space time dimension we appear are existing in, then where is the interface between that dimension and this dimension? No such interface has been discovered as of yet as far as I am currently aware of.
* Note: Since this is a search for the real absolute truth concerning God, Intelligent Designer, Pre-existent Consciousness, etc, feel free to copy and paste this elsewhere to further the analysis and discussion.
* For those who claim God actually exists besides just as a concept, please prove that 'b' above is really true and that 'a' is not really true.
Additionally:
a. Modern science claims energy cannot be created nor destroyed, hence energy is eternally existent.
b. An absolute somethingness cannot come from an absolute nothingness, so an absolute somethingness always existed, most probably being energy itself.
c. Universe ALWAYS existed in some form and NEVER had a beginning, No Creator Needed.
'a' is true, is it not? 'b' is true, is it not? If 'a' and 'b' are true, then no creator is needed in 'c'.
* Some people for some reason (social conditioning/brainwashing/wishful thinking) believe in future eternity without end but do not accept eternity past with no beginning.
@@jaflenbond7854bollocks
@@DJ-Synth your ignorance is a you problem
@@DJ-Synth The universe always existed in some form and never had a beginning. Even the singular big bang theory is just a fairy tale for various reasons. Galaxies and life come into existence, galaxies collapse in upon themselves, 'bang' generating a huge nebula cloud eventually generating a new galaxy with new life in it, of which the galaxy then collapses in upon itself in a never ending cycle. We are just the latest version of galactic life alive right now is all.
@@DJ-Synth Also: Please show how 'b' is really true and that 'a' is not really true in the God analysis above. Nobody has been able to do so as of yet, but hey, maybe you are the one.
Religion is just another addiction to get you off a different addiction.
Since the current analysis indicates that all life on and from this Earth, real and artificial, are all going to die and go extinct one day, everything everyone has ever worked for and some even fought and died for, are all ultimately going to nobody. All of life itself is ultimately meaningless in the grand scheme of things. (Subject to revision as new information might dictate).
Okay, well, don't do anything. Just sit there, there's no point. Don't help or hinder anything or anyone. Pointless. Easy, right? 🤦♂️
@@ALTDOK667 SMART PEOPLE AND/OR AI'S NEEDED:
Consider the following: UNLESS the following Impossible Mission is successfully accomplished, our very life and existence does not ultimately matter:
MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: (Or so it currently appears): For those who have the mental and physical resources to help (including AI's):
Try to save at least 1 single species on and from this Earth to exist beyond this Earth, solar system and most probably collapsing spiral shaped galaxy into a universe that never ends in a big freeze (the singular big bang theory is a fairy tale for various reasons) or by some other means so that life itself on and from this Earth has continued meaning and purpose to potentially throughout all of future eternity. (Otherwise, all life on and from this Earth, real and artificial, eventually dies and goes extinct, is ultimately meaningless in the grand scheme of things, and are all a waste of spacetime in this universal existence.)
* Mission Impossible of the Highest Order: MIHO.
* Nature is our greatest ally in so far as Nature gives us life and a place to live it, AND Nature is also our greatest enemy that is going to take it all away. (Can we change the ending?)
That's why you find your own meaning in life, or do nothing.
@@ALTDOK667 I responded to you but checking back, it appears YT hid my reply. For you and/or anybody else who wants to see my reply: 'Sort by' up above; Select 'Newest first'; Scroll down to this thread and select 'replies'.
@@joshsheridan9511 If you saw my hidden comment, you would know my main meaning and purpose in this life.
I can show you that the pilot actually exists.
It would be useful to ask about details: age range, employment status, & social support. Younger people, unemployed people, unsupported people tend to struggle more to recover from Alcohol Or Drug Use than than middle-aged, employed, and/or supported people.
All the things the caller tried to use (recovery program, psychotherapy, meditative practice, etc.) which did not result in sobriety/recovery were still in his memory contributing to increasing potential to recover. It took time, during which he aged (eventually gaining more perspective), figured out how to keep a job, and figuring out how to put together a social support network to enhance his recovery efforts.
Callers like this often claim that they had tried 'everything' before 'finding God'. Well, "trying everything" takes time, and perseverance and commitment, and this helps them learn what social supports help support recovery and which do not. They don't often realize that they were ever so slowly increasing their ability to successfully recover. What seems evident to them is that, finally, they were able to recover. Since they hadn't been successful before, something else must exist to account for their success. Age, experience, better social support, employment. Oh, yeah, that.
All Mark did is substitute one addition (God/religion) for another (alcohol). Happens ALL THE TIME. A huge portion of those that kick addictions (doesn't matter what kind) attribute their success to a god when, in fact, they did it without any supernatural intervention.
Scientists have calculated that if all water on Earth were liquified (polar ice caps melted, mountain snow and ice melted, Greenland Ice melted, all atmospheric clouds and water vapor condensed, etc.), the global sea level would rise by about 250 feet. Not exactly a global flood. Sure, all coastal cities would be destroyed. But at 300’ elevation, good old Fresno would almost become oceanside property!
But magic, tho
Mark is not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
yah he comes from the drawer filled with a bunch of other dull knives 😂
I have faith that Jesus will make my car start every morning.
Without that external help, I would never get to work.
I have been to AA. They just tell you to invent your own gawd. Just like Dumbo's feather. And you Have to say the Lord's prayer at the end. KEEP COMING BACK, IT WORKS. But not for everyone.
If the caller has gone through a 12 step program, one of the steps is accepting a higher power. I would avoid conversations about god with any recovering addiction. I would hate to derail someone’s sobriety over a pointless argument about the existence of god. Changing this guy’s belief isn’t going to change the world, and might mess up his life.
Caller: MARK - CANADAAA
A - How is Atheism “a bit extreme in it’s quest for logic is itself”? …whatever that means.
B - Your life being “100% indulgent” is irrelevant.
Many people who believe in a God can live indulgent lives & many people who don’t believe in a God can live non-indulgent lives.
Many people have changed their behavior & lives without “experiences” they attribute to a god.
Many people have also changed their lives with “experiences” they attribute to a Different God to the one you believe in.
If someone living an indulgent life has an “experience” of demons & Mohammed…..does that mean the Muslims have got the correct Religion?
If someone has an “Experience” where Santa Claus appears to them & tells them to change their life….does that mean Santa is real?
Man that airplane example aged like milk lol
Faith in a theist "pilot" isn't always good.
@@ChallengeYourBeliefs i was referring to Boeing.
@@daemonious83 Ah. Gotcha.
and it WASNT ur god or anything like it that made u stop.
it wasxthe risk of getting locked up for a VERY LONG TIME and u didnt want that risk.
so common sence was one of the MAJOR factors for u to change.
and that religious rehab dont really help that many.
they send more into continue the bad ways that they accually help and thats an accual FACT
This guy is very well versed in all the creationists rubbish , I don’t believe that he is a relatively recent convert . In the way he talks , it sounds to me as if he has been brought up with all this curation, flood garbage. He may have been a little bit bad as some stage and is just exaggerating to make a point about ‘ sinner saved’ by god magic .
Sure, faith isn't everything. How about a description of a nuke 2500+ years ago ? Would that be a bit more substantive? Here you go: Zechariah 5
(if you can be bothered to read it.. swap 'woman' for 'fire offering' since they're the same word. Good luck!)
people like mark have a deep set desperate NEED to believe their worldview is true so they can keep leaning on the crutch that is holding them up. Sad.
This Mark reeks of cop out cowardice
Didn't Jesus say much on faith? As Peter supposedly walked on the sea of Galilee. Jesus saying, "He who believes in me will do works I have and even greater than these..." Ever see a Christian show their faith by walking on water. All one Christian has to do on camera, is walk on water and the world would be Christian. So, either Christians don't have the 'faith,' or the story is made up and fake. I want to know, which is it.
Same reason no believer ever prays an amputee has their limb magically regrown...because they know it will never, ever happen.
@@Lord.1337-7
I confess. I meditate I will win the Mega Millions lottery at times. Haven't one yet... 🤞🏻
Faith is synonymous with confidence 😊
Faith is synonymous with mugshot if you have a lisp.
@@holgerlubotzki3469 Lol sincerely a good one
@@atum497you can have all the confidence you like in your faith... doesn't make it correct or even justified.
*Faith* noun: _The excuse given when you don't have evidence._
@@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 How so?
@@atum497 can you not read?
We all use faith, everyone. In the simple things like washing ourselves and thinking about the next day and brushing our teeth, and looking after children and going to school for example. Ordinary things have faith embedded in them. The spiritual version of faith draws us closer to God and creates us to be more like Him. Jesus is the way to spiritual faith.
You are conflating justified belief with unjustified belief.
Unjustified belief (what you call "the spiritual version of faith") only draws you further away from reality and further into delusion.
I don't. You have equivocation fallacy.
"Jesus is the way to spiritual faith" Show me the historical documents where jesus as the son of god was called by name outside of the bible.
How do I use faith when brushing my teeth!? Or going to school or thinking of the next day? Even when conflating trust with faith, those would still be very poor examples imho.
Well I can't say I was ever atheist, thats a bit extreme in its quest for logic in itelself, but there was no God or Christ attached to my beliefs in my life.
My life was 100 percent indulgent. It was one big party. From age 14 to 35 it had always been booze, coke, sex , party, music etc. I was being a good boy if I was just smoking weed everyday.
I didn't even realize how bad of a person I was.
I Had a dream after my seperation at my lowest point on an alcohol/cocaine bender.
I had two. One right after the other that changed my life forever.
One involved demons, the devil. hell and something I'll call "separation from God".
The other involved the man we call Jesus.
The separation from God was something I had never felt in the real world, but it was by far the worst thing I've ever felt in my life. Like a sensation of being buried deep down in blackness for eternity with nothing but loneliness and hopelessness.
The sadness and darkness is indescribable.
However. On the contrary the opposite feelings were indescribable when I was in the face of Jesus.
Call them dreams and you're not wrong, but it made a believer out of me!
I cried out to him for the first time in my life and he answered.
Now i have to adjust my life to this truth. It's been 5 years and I'm on the path but still no ideal example albeit I'm a MUCH different and better person and maybe not always a nice man, but always a good man.
One thing I would say is even if hypothetically non of it was true, I see how just having the belief brings people peace and makes them better people with better morals and I can't see why we would want to diminish or discourage that ideology. It's existed this long and this far and wide. Only in this crazy new age do we see it as crazy!
Eh, I hope and pray all of you are given a sign 🙏.
It's all our own paths.
So long as you're not claiming your path is everyone's path there's no problem.
We should always discourage beliefs that have no good evidence.
@@vinceschryver5676 Some people wouldn't know evidence if they were looking at everyday. ✌️
@@Shamusmusic416 some peoples bar on what they consider evidence is so low that they’ll believe anything. Your testimonial, while might be convincing for you, would never be considered evidence by anyone with critical thinking skills. Can you give some good evidence?
@@vinceschryver5676 well I'd agree with alot of that to an extent but not here for the debate. ✌️
I've seen a ton of Christians change the subject when you ran them into a corner, this is the first time I've heard you guys use that tactic. Your pivot to the bible was pretty disingenuous, he didn't bring it up, you did.
He brought up that he wasn't much concerned about truth if something may have utility. Bringing up the bible was related to that as an example. Apart from that, hosts are not allowed to bring things up...? How is it disingenuous to ask a question?
I'll believe the Creator of all things (Jesus Christ) before I believe finite (limited) man. When I thought I could believe man they tried teaching me I was an ape man. At a very young age I knew better. Man lies especially those who don't know the truth (Jesus Christ). This world is going to go through a tribulation period, chaos like mankind has never seen in history before. Jesus Christ is the answer, believe it or not. Our only hope of salvation.
If (and that's a big if) Jesus ever existed then he was executed by the Romans two THOUSAND years ago. Let it go, dude.
@@Lord.1337-7 Read your bible the truth (Jesus Christ) will set you free.
2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god (little g - Satan - the devil) of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
This evil world is about to find out how evil the devil - Satan really is. Chaos is right around the corner like this world has never seen in history. Take your head out of the sand. Evil/sin runs rampant, and it is getting worse every day. God/Jesus Christ offers all the free gift of God. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing.
@@paulgemme6056 the Bible with talk snakes, giants, child murder, and flaming multi eyed messengers? Hard pass lol.
@@Lord.1337-7 You mock. That's because you don't know the truth (Jesus Christ). Take your head out of the sand and look around. this evil world is about to go through chaos like it has never seen before in history. Evil/sin runs rampant and is getting worse every day. laugh and mock God/Jesus Christ. God's wrath is coming soon, and you think it's a joke. So sad!
@@paulgemme6056 these are baseless claims with no merit.
1 Corinthians 2:14 KJV
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned
1 Corinthians 15:3-8
3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures
John 3:16
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life
ROMANS 10:13
For “whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
😏 "Saved" from WHO? 😵💫
@@tracewallace23 From what Jesus is going to do to you, if you don't let him save you.. 😂
Pass, idiotic death cults make me itch.
superstition - noun
1a: a belief or practice resulting from ignorance, fear of the unknown, trust in magic or chance, or a false conception of causation
b: an irrational abject attitude of mind toward the supernatural, nature, or God resulting from superstition
2: a notion maintained despite evidence to the contrary
Merriam-Webster
Atheists already knows the bible isn't reliable for anything. Using bible quotes won't lead you anywhere
Faith truly does NOT always lead to truth: If someone determines to throw themselves off a Highrise, no matter how much faith they exhibit that they will suddenly sprout wings and be saved from death, that faith will not materialize into truth.
But seeking to find GOD of the Bible requires faith to find the Truth of His existence and presence in your life. You don't have to like it. You don't have to agree with it. You don't have to see the need for it. But you are not God. So, if you want to find God, to know His love and promise - and purpose for you as stated in John 3 16 and Ephesians 1:4 - then YOU must take a step of faith toward Him.
Wackos ⬆️
@@justbeingme003 The kind that has not and will not ever be proven to exist.
A god that sends people like you here to preach would be a moronic god.
@@justbeingme003 why don't YOU find all that out with a personal humble and sincere journey? That's the journey ALL believers have to take. John 3 16 invites you to know THAT God's love and promise to you. To find Him and know Him, you have to seek Him. To seek Him you have to have some beginning 'inkling' that He exists. His Word tells you exactly how to know that He is who He says He is (John 8 28). If you REALLY want to know, follow the directions Jesus gives you by implementing His teachings and character into your daily life and testing His promises contained in His many Names - then seeing for yourself what kind of God He is and why He gave us the path He gave us.
@@jaflenbond7854 Reported for spam
Allah said:
[Prophet], when your Lord took out the offspring from the loins of the Children of Adam and made them bare witness about themselves, He said, ‘Am I not your Lord?’ and they replied, ‘Yes, we bear witness.’ So you cannot say on the Day of Resurrection, ‘We were not aware of this.
What a load of drivel....
There is zero proof of Allah or any of that load of verbal diarrhea
Allah's not very bright then, to expect us to be aware of things he showed us before we could form memories.
And why should anyone care what this Allah fellar said?
@@ookekklibarianbornagain6708
It's not Allah said. It is someone said Allah said.
Very different.
There's a typo in your post. In the case of Adam and Eve it was "bare witness"
Repent. Believe in Jesus Christ for salvation and become a new person in this life. Luke 13:3 KJV I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Romans 10:9 KJV That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Your sanctimonious guilt tripping bullshit isn't convincing anyone of anything.
Where is Jesus right now? If you say 'Heaven', then I ask, where exactly is 'Heaven'? Humans have been to the clouds, above the clouds, and even into outer space. No 'Heaven' nor Jesus found. Note also, God not found there either. So, where exactly is Jesus right now?
@@charlesbrightman4237 No human has been to "outer space" or the moon. Up above us is the firmament that holds back the waters of heaven which is why the sky is blue. Jesus is in heaven and will be making His return shortly, after the 7 year tribulation, to rule and reign on earth for a thousand years.
@@justbeingme003 Your sins and sinful ways.
@@Mark1615-zi4er Okay, so you are probably delusional. Got it.
Oh if only these poor atheists would open their hearts to our Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth and turn away from their sinful nature and stop worshipping idols and committing adultery I believe some demons are given license to possess the living and torment them into thinking that death is simply nothing more than the grave I pray all the people of the world will hear the gospel amen.
Ephesians 6:12
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
Come back when you've bothered to look up the definition of "atheist". Because how the FUDGE does "doesn't believe in any gods" translate to "worshiping idols"!?
We are still waiting for you to provide some good verifiable evidence that you are right about your creator g0d and that one billion Hindus are wrong about theirs.
What's the hold up?
"stop worshipping idols"
You mean like an idol such as a figure on a cross or wearing cross around your neck? Those are idols...
"and committing adultery"
I never got married so I can't commit adultery....
' I believe some demons"
There's no such thing... Are you a mental case?
"I pray all the people of the world "
Here's a better idea: GROW UP AND GET A MENTAL HEALTH ASSESSMENT!
F**k why is it you people post like retreads and thing we are going to listen to you....
Do you really think we are as stupid as you?
@@DenisK21 Romans 1:23 teaches us that all people exchange the truth about God for a lie, choosing to worship the creation rather than the Creator. That includes atheists. John Calvin was right when he said that man’s sinful nature produces a “perpetual factory of idols.” Undoubtedly, an atheist’s idol will look different than a Buddhist statue (@holgerlubotzki3469)
The atheist may rely solely on his own reason to decide what’s true, he may give himself fully to physical pleasure, or, as Jesus put it, he may choose to serve money rather than God (Matthew 6:24). God’s assessment is still the same: Many atheists have rejected God simply because they don’t like the God revealed in Scripture. Regardless of the reason, atheists are no strangers to idolatry, and God’s assessment is still the same thank you.
@@user-qsdf9br3e We are still waiting for you to provide some good verifiable evidence that you are right about your creator g0d and that one billion Hindus are wrong about theirs.
What's the hold up?
You can have all the Faith in the world - it still amounts to nothing
Just another long windes self aggrandizing argument for "I feel therefore God"
Its all such garbage