SUCCESSION 4x10 "With Open Eyes" Reaction! | First Time Watch
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- We're finally back with our reaction to season 4 of Succession, a popular HBO original comedy drama involving a power-hungry family.
This show stars Jeremy Strong (The Gentlemen), Sarah Snook (Predestination), Brain Cox (Troy & X2: X-Men United), Kieran Culkin (Scott Pilgrim vs. the World), Nicholas Braun (How to Be Single), & Matthew Macfadyen (Pride & Prejudice)
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When Kendall sat on Logan's chair with his feet up, at that exact moment Shiv knew she can't stomach this for rest of her life.
Foreshadowing Tom's selection as CEO: Aleksander Skarsgaard (Lukas) mentioned in the Succession podcast - that in the episode right before, at the funeral - when Lukas asks where Tom is , Shiv mentions he's at the office and Lukas' eyes glaze over in thought for a second. Basically, he played it as Lukas thinking that despite his own father-in-law's funeral - after all the election backlash - Tom is working in the office.
For someone like Lukas who shares Logan's mindset - this is a big bonus. To him it shows not only can Tom be controlled - but he is also hard-working and willing to put in the dirty work if needed.Further more, Lukas making comments about wanting to sleep with Shiv are also a test - essentially testing Tom's emotional control.
I also love that Shiv is probably the one that put the nail in her own coffin when one of the last things she said to Lucas was “Tom will suck the biggest dick in the room”
Ya this is an important point. Remember one reason why Logan thinks Kendall is unfit to be ceo is because he didn’t close the deal well to be at Logan’s birthday. Tom skipping funeral to be at work is something that Logan and Lukas would aprove
I mean it's a test yeah, but I think it's also true that he wants to sleep with Shiv. There were plenty of theories about it before he said it in the finale.
@@UnlistedAgain Yeah, but he was also checking how much of a walkover and self-respectless guy Tom was.
Shiv would rather lose then see Kendall win
Yeah the Roys are like crabs in a bucket
they'll pull each other down endlessly.
Shiv didn't lose dude! It was a much much better deal to be the wife of the CEO with the baby coming than tolerate her moronic unpredictable brother for the rest of her life. She chose Tom, herself and the baby as a unit and did the right thing. Roman also finally broke free of the toxic greed. It was only Ken who actually lost in a true sense.
The show was very clever in that it followed the story through the eyes of Kendall, Shiv and Roman - and in doing so gave the impression that they were credible to some degree as successors. But Logan always knew they weren’t serious people. In fact the whole industry knew. This is why it became Logan’s essential goal to sell Waystar for the best of the company. Even after his death, Logan won. They were not serious people and none of the 3 kids would have been successful in running the company. Roman was the only one to truly realise this and in bittersweet way, became free. Shiv on the other hand knew that she’d have more control being the wife of the CEO than being the sister of the CEO. Power dynamics with Tom are totally reversed. Kendall is the only one that will be trapped in a sense of loss forever. There was no better ending for this show that did honour to the soul of the story. This was inevitable yet we didn’t see it unfold in this way. That is genius storytelling right there.
This 🔥
I also love how they each were their own worst enemy. As a result of trying to seek Logan’s approval. Master manipulator Logan fucking Roy😂
"You are Not Serious People" .. Logan was right.
I don’t think you guys took in the full concept of the ending. Shiv saw Kendall in her father‘s chair and the arrogance that came with it And realised how much she would hate seeing her brother as CEO. It really had nothing to do with Tom being CEO. Greig was kept by Tom as an absolute powerplay. It is classic bullying by Tom whereby he pretends to Greig that he saved his life, but will continue to bully the crap out of him
Not only that but Shiv explicitly says she didn’t want Kendall as the CEO since the season 1 episode 2
And Tom understands Greg. He is loyal, to a point. Transactional. And Shiv knows none of them can do the job. Tom is not going to do the job, he is a puppet.
Shiv ended up just like her mother being only the CEO‘s wife. I agree, Shiv changed her mind after seeing Kendall put his feet at her father‘s desk but I also think she didn‘t wanna to be a single mom with an unemployed ex-husband (all thought she would get a tonne of money). She was always jealous of Kendal and couldn’t be happy for him but she also didn’t wanna end up alone.
Your interpretation is total dog crap, wish I could give it 1000 thumbs downs. You can’t even spell Greg properly.
Ya since season 1 shiv on episode 2 has said that Kendall isn’t fit for ceo. And this is a feeling that went back to her childhood, where she felt she’s always sidelined by Logan. AND See Kendall being a dick to Roman when Roman said no to the deal. You can see how disgusted shiv is. The same way Kendall put his feet on dads table acting like a dick.
And I think that’s a pattern of Kendall that shiv probably very familiar with. Once he’s get arrogant he started becoming selfish. Almost like an addict thing where he goes manic when’s he’s on a manic phase. Shiv was reminded how much she hated that side of Kendall, and all of a sudden Tom taking over and potential their kids becoming heir doesn’t seem that bad of an idea
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Tom's whole vibe changed and walks like a CEO in the end. Thank you guys for pushing through this, I really enjoyed this journey with you!
Fun Fact : Jermy actually try to jump at end shot of the show, but they cut it
In his mind, he thinks Kendell will kill himself
Which makes me even more sad
🥺🥺🥺🥺
And was pulled away by the actor who played Colin. I actually think the point of having Colin in that final shot is symbolically as both a reminder of Kendall's guilt but also as a protector. Similar to the glass walls on the roof at the end of Safe Room, Kendall is both protected and trapped. He's at his lowest point, but he also lives in a world with a million guardrails.
he will eventually. He has nothing to live for
Jeremy Strong is insane lol
As bad as it sounds, it would've made the ending 10 times better if he died.
The shot of tom holding his hand out and Shiv is a perfect way of showing the power shift.
When Kendall put his feet up on Logan’s desk, Shiv saw it, the disrespect and entitlement, and it was off. The “this is mine now, I’m going to piss all over it” attitude by Kendall sent her in a tailspin internally.
Yep, that was the exact moment you could see Shiv decide she wasn't going to let Kendall have the company. Really love the writing on this show.
They didn't even include that scene in the edit 🙄
Kendall is the only one who's become a better person from ep.1 to now
He was the only one to even try
He is pretty much the only one to *always* deliver when he is relied upon
He's the only one who never strayed from their father's vision
He's clearly not perfect, but no one is
Rather than seeing that daydream and deciding to help her brother, like they ("always did")
Shiv's ego couldn't tolerate that from now on her input would only be that, input
And the most pitiful thing is in how she's actually ok w her word not carrying weight
SO LONG AS HER BROTHERS ALSO DON'T HAVE A SAY🙄
Classic **male jealousy
Cut the nose to spite the face
Meanwhile she spent all the show torpedoing everything and betraying everyone
As someone pointed out, the show has great writing and I definitely didn't see the last twist coming
@@OctavianAsixhas he become a better person cause he did kinda give his daughter and democracy a big FU to become CEO and he did NRPI the waiter at the end. Also always delivered? Vaulter, Vote of no Confidence, Bear Hug, the DOJ Investigation, killing this deal. He literally delivered on none of that
@@samkaranja5709 remind me of a situation Ken made worse, let us tally that agains ANY of his siblings WTH is nrpi
Why did you guys cut the “meal fit for a king” scene 🙃 it’s so good 😩
When she said you can't be CEO because you killed someone was the exact time I knew she had no logical reasoning, she was jealous because she was not as competent as kendall.
TBH kendall was a good person who did not deserved that ending. Shiv was an evil good for nothing daddy's girl. Even if she had became CEO she would've fucked that up, swedish guy knew that, just imagine how coward loser you have to be to backstab your brother just because you can't see a simle on his face.
All that theory that she saw his foot on the office table and she knew he is not fit is just bullshit, Shiv was never that thoughtful towards anyone, not to her father, tom, her brothers let alone for a company that she was never part of.
Truth is she saw how kendall was happy and she couldn't digest that, she was exactly as evil as Logan if not more. I mean Logan's selfishness can be understood as he made the company and he didn't wanted to hand it over but i think he also knew kendall was the right choice, I think he underlined his name after kendal showed him his killer instinct.
You didn't just call Kendall competent!!😂😂
Shiv’s conversion was very real to me. The sibling rivalry was just too strong. She could never let Kendall get it. It was too much for her. That’s right for her character.
Succession isn't a drama, a comedy or even a dramedy. Succession is a Tragedy. Props to Jesse Armstrong. I'll be excited to see what he does next.
I agree fully that Tom is underestimated, which is why he was able to climb to the top.
Shiv, looking back - always chose Tom over Kendall (season 1, she pitched Tom over Ken, season 2 she basically decided for Ken to go to prison over Tom), in my opinion Tom was spot on calling out that Shiv is terrified of failure so she will do anything to keep the marriage afloat (especially now that she is pregnant). She does not want to end up as her mother (tho I d argue she still will).
Either way tho I do agree she probs still chose better as while Tom is a snake too, he loves her, AND they have a baby so he does not have a real reason to betray her, unlike Ken. But her being basically the same person she was since season 1 proves why Tom won, coz all the kids did not change...they are all the same emotionally stunned kids with unsolved trauma and issues, as they were in episode 1.
Which is what makes this show so repetitive, but also so tragic and so real - coz yes, it feesl like real people who are just unable to process their trauma and move forward - just adults imprisoned in their past. And e all know people like that, who make the same mistakes over and over again coz of unresolved trauma.
Agreed. Accept, I do not see Shiv becoming a Caroline. Tom is a muppet for Matsson, and will continue to be one for Shiv. The kid will have Nannie’s and be sent to boarding schools, freeing her up
I actually think that Tom could be a better father than Logan was for their kids, so in a way those kids won't be as f*cked up as Roy's.
Truly one of the best TV series finales we've seen in a long time. I think the only person who truly earned his happiness was Conner since he understood that in order to win Logan's game, you don't play it, to begin with. What a journey this show has been; hopefully, you guys enjoyed it.
Agree about Connor. Ultimately he was the one child who probably knew his father on the most personal level because he didn't try and play the corporate game, which is summed up by him being right there next to him in that video playing.
long distance relationship with Willa , what could go wrong
They treated him like he was an idiot, but he's the only one who's happy. He's delusional about being president, but he seems well-rounded considering what happened to his mom and who he's related to.
Shiv had a reaction to Ken putting his feet up on Logan’s desk, which tipped her over the edge. I didn’t care much for Shiv. However, she was right: Ken would not have been good at it, plain and simple. The clues were there for the rest of us all the way back in Season 2, the “Vaulter” episode. When Logan needed an analysis of Vaulter, Ken allowed himself to be buried in paper for 36 hours to crunch numbers; Roman took some staffers out, got them drunk and let them vent. It was never going to work with Ken.
It’s funny how only majority of the women are saying this. 1. You act like there wasn’t growth in his character towards the end which is more than shiv has had/done in all 4 seasons combined.2. Shiv’s husband was right about her and her character and how she was “thin” or fake in other words and only cared about herself.3. If you think shiv was thinking all of this when he put his feet on the desk than you are over thinking her character……… she’s to dumb to see past her own anger in any moment/situation.4. He was the best option for keeping the company POINT BLANK PERIOD. Which is what I wanted if you can’t tell.
@@brandinross293 Actually, most men with real business acumen and character understanding are saying that about Kendall. It's mostly the soft delulu wannabe boys who relate so much with"poor Ken" who are defending him!😅😅
Tom missing Logan's funeral was something Logan would've approved of.
And you can see Lucas' almost surprised reaction to that during the funeral.
😮 you are absolutely right
Wow never thought id see the day you guys finish this series...
I feel like the kitchen scene is so important! Its the three siblings being siblings, such a rarity in this show would have loved to have seen your reaction to it.
It’s a shame that you guys left the kitchen “meal fit for a king” scene for Patreon. But I get it. It was so beautiful, and in retrospect, heartbreaking.
Thank you for watching the series, this brought me to your channel and love watching you all now! It’s definitely my favorite. Of course the whole cast is amazing but I have to shout or Kieran Culkin and Sarah Snook for their work here. Goddamn they brought it this season. Can’t wait to see where the cast goes forward and really can’t wait to see what the creator/writer does next. ❤️
3 episodes in a day les get it!
A really understated theme in this whole show is the bloodline thing. Earlier in the show, Logan asks Tom why he hasn't got Shiv pregnant yet and if he's shooting blanks, and the shot moves from Tom to Kendall, foreshadowing the reveal in the finale that Kendall's kids aren't his (the implication being that he's infertile). Logan seems focused on creating another biological heir, possibly why he shows no interest in Kendall's kids. Connor and Willa will probably never have children. Roman won't, for obvious reasons. Kendall can't. Tom, who was once "fathoms beneath" Shiv, is now the one with the power, and she is relegated to being the one to create an heir. There are also many references to Shiv's likelihood of being a bad mother like Caroline, and her and Tom's kid will probably grow up as messed up as the rest of the Roys. Some fans also think the "Greg?" on the piece of paper Logan left was him considering Greg as the only one capable of keeping the company in the bloodline, since Greg will probably eventually have kids and Logan assumed none of his four would.
I really don’t see Tom as the one with power. Yes he has power, but he answers to Matsson. It will be a short leash. Shiv still has power, and the kids could go on to create something like but likely won’t because of the effort needed. They wanted turnkey with Waystar.
19:10 “why is this music touching them?”
?????????? bruh does everything need to be spelt out clearly? what a weird immediate response to such an emotional scene
Shiv just couldn't see Kendal win. Remember she is the scorpion. It's her nature to sting. She didn't win at all. With Tom she is more miserable(you will see some patterns in their relationship in the past seasons)
I'm still devastated for the eldest boy Kendall.
Thoroughly enjoyed this journey with y’all. I thought you might drop it after season one because of views but glad you stuck to it. Sending hugs ❤
I feel like Jesse Armstrong had this ending picked out years ago. He does say that Kendall could never get it. He knew that.
Succession is what made me subscribe to your channel. It feels good to finally finish the series with you.
Its ben a LOOOOOONG ride with you guys but fun af.
Btw Shiv got the ick when Kenday put his feet on the father's desk so she was like "nah, son, you're done". And I def thought Kendall was going to jump from the rooftop.
Matsson has no loyalty to the Roys so Tom is the obvious choice. Tom knows the company and actually knows how to run shit, ATN is a success under him. Tom is also willing to be at the office during important events like Logan's funeral. Tom was always loyal to the company throughout the series, even if it meant going against his wife.
Every season finale Tom wins something. It was him from the beginning.
The game is naming the losing presidential candidates. I believe in chronological order
Ah nuts, I scrolled down to see if anyone had commented this yet, and you beat me by 10 minutes. Bravo!
@@torquilcolbo1589 Been there
No, Shiv doesn’t win… I think the only one who slightly might’ve thought of it as ‘a good thing has happened for them’, is Roman. Kendall’s whole situation is proper Shakespearean while Shiv is once again under the thumb of the male figure in her life which is just so sad from her POV.
I watched this episode when it aired and not a day goes by when it I haven’t thought about it at least once.
I have watched your Succession reactions from day 1 and absolutely enjoyed your reaction, comments and perspectives as well. Appreciate your efforts to entertain us for the last few months.
Lukas played Shiv since the beginning, he used her as a spy on the inside. He did say to Roman that he loves getting in people's heads, it explains why he also tried to rattle Tom. I now wonder if he was actually crazy or played it up to make Shiv feel like she got the upper hand. She sabotaged everything for herself and her brothers because she couldn't handle seeing any of them "win" and she just can't share. They're rich AF they did this just for ego while for Tom and Greg it's survival.
30:20 I disagree with the notion that Shiv "won", given that she ended up in the humiliating person of being below the one person she previously always enjoyed to toy around. The thing about her final decision was just that seeing Kendall losing ended up being more important to her than seeing Tom losing.
Now that you are almost finished with this masterpiece, I hope you guys continue watching high-quality shows like this. I am sure you guys have watched Breaking Bad, but I ain't sure about Better Call Saul, so if you haven't, you guys should watch that next. Best TV show of all time for me. If you have watched it, then one of these: Mr. Robot, The Bear, Barry, Hannibal, Fleabag, Ted Lasso, Atlanta, The Leftovers, Severance, or Ozark. I would love to see you guys react to Mr. Robot. Not many reactors have watched it, and it's one of the greatest TV shows of all time, I have it third on my ranking, really underrated. Rami Malek performance is one of the best in TV show history, and his character is one of the best, most complex, and badass characters. But I understand the show is longer, so the ideal show to watch next would be The Bear. Not only because now that BCS and Succession are over, The Bear is currently the best TV show, the episodes are shorter, and S3 is coming in June, it would be perfect for you guys to catch up for the new season.
I've watched all the shows mentioned above and all are masterpieces in my opinion....you really do have an incredible taste my guy....and you included The Leftovers which is in my top 3 after succession and breaking bad.... haven't watched Atlanta & Ted Lasso though....which one should I watch first?
@@vighneshpillai7996 Thanks, bro. I am a filmmaker and screenwriter student, so that's where my good taste comes from. I like high-quality shows with really good writing, directing, acting, cinematography, etc. The Leftovers deserves more attention; it is a masterpiece, and it's sad that even the academy didn't even acknowledge it. That's how underrated it is.
About what I recommend you to watch first it depends. Atlanta and Ted Lasso are masterpieces, but both are very different. For me, Atlanta is slightly better, but both are incredible. Ted Lasso is a more goofy and "feel-good" type of show, even though it has really hard drama at times, and the character arcs are incredible. It's also super funny; acting wise, it's hard; maybe Ted Lasso is slightly better; cinematography easily goes to Atlanta; and writing and storytelling are both just as good, so I don't know; there is no wrong answer; both are incredible shows.
The bear and Better Call Saul….. Cinema fr
The fact that the show is called Succession and none of the successors got the empire is Awedropping
Tom and Gregg forever is the best finale I could ever ask for
Jeremy Strong as Kendall Roy has completed the holy trinity of TV Acting in serial dramas
James Gandolfini as Tony Soprano
Bryan Cranston as Walter White
Jeremy Strong as Kendall Roy
I love Jaby and Ashara... I love their insight, they bring an interesting perspective and I appreciate the reaction overall. Thank you for your reaction to this series.
I would also be dishonest if I didn't mention that I am disheartened on how this show was carried out to your channel and audience. The inconsistency and what I have to describe as the disinterest to establish a dedicated upload slot for some an amazing show that gives great characters, great writing and an interesting peak to an interesting Family.
I hope if we have something like this down the road they make it a Patreon exclusive so the fan base that loves both our CinePal friends and the next amazing show we have a way of enjoying the next ride. In turn just creating a catalog for the CinePals team to release at a later point to fill upload slots when the show would fit their schedule better, instead of what we went through.
Thank you again, I loved every minute of your reaction throughout this series and I look forward to your next (hopefully not as painful) reaction series.
Can't believe this is the last succession reaction video
"Maybe he should rap for Stewy" 😂
There’s two moments where I think Shiv decides she can’t stomach Kendall as CEO. Firstly when he sits in Logan’s chair with his legs up on the desk. Secondly, after Roman votes in favour of Kendall and he says “that’s fucking right”, the way the camera cuts to Shiv shows that she might deviate from what was planned. I do think part of Shiv’s decision is also her being jealous because as much as she has genuine and legitimate reasons to vote against Kendall, she brings up a lot of reasons that were irrelevant but that justifies her not voting in his favour such as the fact that he killed someone.
great show and great reactions 👏
It would have been a satisfying ending to see the three siblings ride off into the sunset together... but the show has shown that it would never be the case, when have the siblings ever been like that with one another other than those fleeting moments?
Just finished. Such a great finale and no, there weren't alternative endings. Just the one that Jesse Armstrong had planned. Ultimately for Shiv I think it comes down to the line she says in that last scene with kendall - "I love you but I can't stomach you." Sure, by doing it she gives Tom some status which maybe might make him think better of her, but I think she just could see how unbearably annoying Kendall would be on top and couldn't crown him.
The scene that makes me the most sad/angry is Roman and Kendall in the office. All through the show we've seen Kendall protect and defend his brother from their dad's abuse, abuse which Roman now seems to need to some extent to function and in that moment when he needs Roman to re-focus, he gives him the abuse. Sure Roman is asking for it, but I hated seeing Kendall step in to his dad's shoes to do that.
Plus I love that right at the end they drop a huge bit of info about Logan not viewing Kendall's kids as legitimate as one is adopted and the other via a donor (half Rava half filing cabinet guy), so if Kendall was unable to have kids, then that adds a whole other layer to how his father sees him and earlier scenes such as in boar on the floor. Only a show like this can save such rich material for the end!
Oh and to be fair to Greg, he didn't know Tom had been offered top job when he told Kendall is wasn't going to be Shiv. Maybe he'd have kept quiet if he'd known, or maybe he'd have done the exact same playing of both sides!
Oh and I was lucky enough to watch this finale live in london (starting at 2 a.m.) in a cinema with the creator and some of the writers. The biggest audience response - it was when Greg hit Tom!
So glad you guys finished the series! I love this show and I’m happy you guys enjoyed it! :)
really loved this reaction series - thank you for doing it. what a phenomenal show!
Shiv is 'the scorpion'. Tom was right. It's in her nature to sting even if it drowns her.
What is happening?? 3 episodes!!! Hell yeah I thought you’ll be ending it next month 😆
thanks for listening
I believe the game is just a list of every candidate who lost the Presidential election recited as a poem.
When Shiv saw Kendall in Logan's chair and how unbearable he was going to be, she changed her mind. Also their going to get billions of dollars each, so they'll be fine.
so maybe you are not a pirate people but you should definetely check out the Black Sails, its a kinda adaptation of the Treasure island mixing it with real life individuals
32:28 That is a great analogy!
Although, it is worth mentioning that he is from the "rich" family (well, from not "poor" family), sort of, upper middle class family. The family that can contribute to the wine on the type of wedding like he had, but he is certainly a peasant in comparison to the Roy family.
The biggest shock of all is that they actually did in fact have Stewy. Insane
You missed the point of Shiv's mind change. She didn’t vote yes because Tom would become the CEO, she voted yes in spite of it. Her mind changed mostly because how annoying Kendell gets when he thinks he is being the MAN! That's the same reason Roman's mind was changed too. Even if they would get nothing they would still vote against him by seeing how Kendell is undeservingly acting like he is worthy!
wow lmao who knew i would finish succession the exact same day as you guys
Are they reacting to The Bear, next?
Where's the meal fit for a king?
Went on this beautiful ride again with you…… now do THE BEAR 😅
The shows is based on Shakespeare. Tom was always going to win. In a way it’s his story.
Turned out it was Tom and Gregs show all along 😂
Is one of you gonna shout “I am the eldest CinePal!” to try and win an argument in the future? 😂
Beautiful finale
the show isnt about surprises, it's a cycle. this point in time in their life that we are seeing are also things from the past, just reframed. and i love it
but re: shiv, it's a series of things... seeing kendall's arrogance when he sat at their father's chair and then again at the board room and then looking at roman being so far away in that board room
My knowledge of xmen is pretty much from the 90s cartoon, wolverine and the xmen, and xmen legends lol. Dont worry jaby, be like quaid and open your mind😂. Loving the journey so far
Another thing guys; Shiv is now pregnant with child she doesn't want, in a loveless marriage that is now quite literally transactional with a reversed power dynamic she hypocritically can not stand. Who does that remind you?
Her mother. Everything she hated and now ironically is exactly like her.
Good.. Time to unsubscribe... You guys decided to react to one good show and displayed utter unprofessionalism. Maybe you guys should stick to reacting to mid, monthly churned out content from disney factory.
So true... They really shouldn't have started the reactions if they weren't planning on being consistent. It was a shitshow from the beginning. The last 3 episodes were dropped just to finish the series at once. The quality of these episodes was soo bad. They didn't even have anything interesting to say. They pretty much harped on the same point from 3rd season onwords.
Hope they don't touch any other quality shows.
During 2nd season i got this feeling that shiv is going to be the deciding factor in the end because in hinduism there is a god by the name shiva who is also known as the destroyer. his job is to destroy the whole universe at the end of kali yuga so that the new universe can be created and the circle of time starts again. I thought this cant be a coincidence surely, there must be something and When i saw how the final episode unfolded, i was both happy for predicting it but at the same time screaming at my screen to stop shiv.
People who felt bad for Kendal, cause nobody really understands him👍....
I think Tom kept Greg because deep down he knew he would have probably played it the same if the shoe was on the other foot
So essentially - Shiv got mom'ed - she's her mom in this situation.
What Roman said sums it up since day one, "We're bulls!t. It's not going to be us". 😂Greatness in business or whatever doesn't automatically get inherited to your children. If you don't have it you don't have it. It could be a good thing because you don't have to be as awful or cold as Logan to succeed in life in other things.
Shiv chose Tom because she is thinking about her future with her baby. It's obvious.
not christopher nolan lite lol!
Didnt Roman already know about Kendalls "accident" with the waiter???? Roman and Shiv were both hugging Kendall when he first told them in season 2. why would Roman be shocked by the that news in this episode????
Did you watch the show? Kendall told them he killed him in the s3 finale. Now in the s4 finale, to try and save face, Ken told them he made the waiter thing up. That's what Roman is shocked about.
I think shiv lost because she will never have power over Tom again. She will have to be a doting wife the rest of her life because she needs Tom and Tom doesn’t need her, that’s why at the end they show Tom putting his hand out and waiting for Shiv to hold it while she begrudgingly agreed and joined hands.
Tom was my favorite character from the very beginning purely because he was funny and from Minnesota. Honestly, mainly because he was from Minnesota. Coincidentally Shiv was one of my least favorite characters because of the way she treated him throughout the series. If it had to be one of the three kids, I wanted it to be Kendall.
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I had a different reaction to the final episode of Succession than you guys did.
I felt sorry for Kendal. No, he wasn't perfect. He was an alcoholic, a drug addict and he was way too dependent on taking over the company. When he could have just taken his money and done his own thing.
I never liked Roman. He was always too disrespectful, insulting and offensive. And the only thing keeping him from getting rightfully beaten to a pulp was his father's money and power.
The Siobhan character was the one I was most disappointed in. She started out the most impressive. Doing her own thing and being independent. But then she got back into the company and turned into the most awful person.
Jaby kept saying he was trying to figure out why she changed her mind in the boardroom. I think it was just because she was an awful person who couldn't help but stab her brother in the back one more time. To the benefit of no one --- except maybe her husband Tom. I don't think she was even thinking about Tom when she made that decision. She just wanted to screw her brother over one more time.
Not to mention, her husband Tom married her because he loved her. And she told him she wanted an open marriage. Tom didn't really want that. But he agreed because he loved her. She made the rules. They both followed the rules. But she decides all of a sudden she doesn't like it anymore. So instead of just offering that they mutually agree to stop having an open marriage, she turns on Tom out of childish jealousy.
In my opinion, she was the worst of a family of awful people.
Finally someone said it, Shiv's character was the worst. She was so jealous of kendal that she couldn't take it and ruined the deal.
The way she was trying to rub on kendall's face after she thought she will be the American CEO shows how pathetic and incompetent she was.
Kendall was the only sibling who didn't try to hurt his siblings he just wanted to become like his father.
I am happy of Tom though.
@@ankitvarma1652 Thank you for agreeing. Shiv actually said to Kendal in the final episode, "I hate you." Why? What did Kendal ever do to her? That was her brother.
Because of the father, they were all terrible people. But in my view, Kendal had the best character. Roman was a sniffling little creep. And Siobhan was nothing but a hateful back stabber. Who stabbed Kendal in the back for no other reason other than she was just a terrible person.
I'm a logical person. And according to what I could see, there was no logic to Siobhan's decision to stab Kendal in the back. It was all based on hate and spite. Siobhan's decision to stab Kendal in the back was of no benefit to her. And was actually a consequence to her.
Shiv would have been better off with Kendal as CEO of the family company than the Scandinavian guy. Who had no respect for Shiv. Had already stabbed her in the back. Pulled the rug out from under her. And no concern for her or her brothers.
Kendal --- for all his faults --- was the only one who cared about his siblings. He would taken care of them, if he had become CEO. Roman didn't care about anybody but himself. And Siobhan was so filled with hate and spite, she couldn't see straight.
I don't know why Shiv hated Kendal. I don't remember anything portrayed in the show that Kendal did to her, that would make her hate him so much. All I can think of, is he reminded her too much of her father. So she stabs her brother in the back because she hated her father? If anything, Kendal was just as much a victim of their father, as Shiv was. If not more.
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When she said you can't be CEO because you killed someone was the exact time I knew she had no logical reasoning, she was jealous because she was not as competent as kendall.
TBH kendall was a good person who did not deserved that ending. Shiv was an evil good for nothing daddy's girl. Even if she had became CEO she would've fucked that up, swedish guy knew that, just imagine how coward loser you have to be to backstab your brother just because you can't see a simle on his face.
All that theory that she saw his foot on the office table and she knew he is not fit is just bullshit, Shiv was never that thoughtful towards anyone, not to her father, tom, her brothers let alone for a company that she was never part of.
Truth is she saw how kendall was happy and she couldn't digest that, she was exactly as evil as Logan if not more. I mean Logan's selfishness can be understood as he made the company and he didn't wanted to hand it over but i think he also knew kendall was the right choice, I think he underlined his name after kendal showed him his killer instinct.
@@ankitvarma1652 I agree. She was the worst. And to be a worse person than Roman, is saying a lot. Because Roman was a terrible person.
Don’t you mean series finale?
huh?
@@joelwillis2043cause of the thumbnail
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They wrote season finale in the thumbnail which is technically true but since its the last episode of the series, you would call it the series finale
Finally the last one
how are you gonna chat over the last 30 seconds of the entire show
Knew it, can't trust shiv!
No, I don't think Tom got stronger. But Tom knows how to play the game. He knows he is a pawn, but not just any pawn. He made a deal with the King (Lukas) to be his proxy because of nationalist Merkel, and Tom got the position because Tom is the opposite of Shiv. Tom extends his hand knowing Shiv would take it because at the very least Tom has power and he knows Shiv would not reject that. Shiv put her hand in his because she is ok (for now) with the share of power of being the wife of the King's special pawn, and because Tom is the father of her child.
Its interesting that even after they "lost", they are still billionaires
My take on Shiv’s switch was the baby. I think she feels their child will be in line to be next. If she can’t have it her baby will.
They don’t say this just my thoughts
lmao you guys rooting for this guys? really?
They wanted to see how these guys ruined the company in three days. haha
awww they skipped over meal for a king for the youtube edit :(
The show is always a tragedy…none of these kids deserved the big seat.
I hate what Shiv did, they were finally working as siblings, seemed together.
And then she messed everything up… Literally so heartbreaking. And she ended up being exactly what she never wanted to be, so it was horrible for her too. And that spineless annoying Tom ending on top is insane. Hate that ending.
Kendall deserves better.
The point of this show isn't to cheer the siblings
@@TurboGauchiste There is no "point" to the show. That's the entire approach the showrunner and writers had for the series. Everything is vague, grey, and open to different interpretations. Your interpretation- the most common and widely accepted one- is not "the point".
Tom is a New Logan and Shiv finally married Her dad hehe
New Logan? He is puppet, and a muppet of one at that. Somehow, Shiv will rise again. She is a cross between her parents and will not be silenced. Perhaps pull strings from the shadows is how I imagine it
finally someone agrees that Kendall was not a good choice, and Tom was the best option. Kendall is actually self surveying
Yeah, still not a fan of that ending. The fact that they were doomed to "lose" doesn't bother me, the siblings were fucked from the start with their father, but I don't like how the writers handled it, it's way too heavy-handed.
Game of Thrones quality ending, not gonna lie.