I really appreciate you guys doing your videos on the Skout Epoch and this comparison to the FX Panthera. While comparing both these two rifles is like comparing apples to oranges it is still is good to point out their features. I was excited to see Skout Epoch coming out with its new operating system but the lack of information on all aspects of its performance was slow to come out and still not complete. I do see Skout is making informational videos on operational aspects of the Epoch which I give them credit. I myself was looking for a power house air rifle to do heavier pesting like shooting groundhogs at longer ranges. I decide to order the FX Panthera 600mm in .30 cal. and will have a 700cc bottle added up front for increased shot count and with the 8mm hammer installed too. I decided to hold off on buying the Epoch because the lack of some information on some aspects of the rifle also the rifles heavier weight, no slug barrels (at this time) and the loud muzzle report. That is not to say I will not buy the Skout Epoch in the future as more performance information and videos are made. If you guys get a chance I would like to know what the shot count you get at one or more settings. I would like to see how you adjust the pressure settings say going from low power tune to a high power tune. Say from a pellet tune to slug tune though I know the slug barrels are not out yet. Another thing I find in general with pellets are that some are undersized in skirt and head diameters. Therefore it might be good to test shoot the Skout Epoch with its three different liners to see for accuracy differences. Thanks and keep up the good work. Oh I will add another possible test video you might do. That would be a decibel reading between the Skout Epoch and FX Panthera or other popular airguns that many people own. The Epoch certainly seems loud and the FX Panthera is said to be louder than most of the FX rifles. I believe you said the Epoch would need an adaptor to be made. It would be nice to see if one of the DonnyFL moderators could quite down the Epoch
Hey William this is Manny with ft airguns I appreciate your reply great idea about how to tune from high to low power settings also FYI the scout epic did come with three barrels and I do believe the s Plus their oil is supposed to be able to shoot slugs
Hopefully soon I will be able to do some of those videos that you referenced as well as but the other barrels in and test them as well thank you for the advice and the reply feel free to contact us by phone anytime you need anyting or by e-mail
Awesome video. Have you been able to receive an Epoch slug barrel? I would love to see a comparison of the two with same caliber and with slugs. Also the video could be longer. It would be nice to have some time to tune both guns and then shoot.
I have 700mm panthera in .25 and I can tell you first hand that the length isn’t an issue for hunting. I have several hours of stalking through the woods in the middle of the night with a DonnyFL on the end of mine.
well depends on the hunter and type of hunting but is NOT a hunting gun. I been hunting with FX crown and yes is not a problem for me, but inside the truck... well you understand. at the end depends on the hunter, for me is not a problem a long gun for hunting. I will take a Crown over the Panthera all day for normal pellet hunting for the shot count.
The only way to make an accurate video like this is to have 2 professionally rated marksmen do the testing. All one has to do is watch an RMAC competition where everyone has the best airguns money can buy and they are tuned perfectly for 100 yards. Bench shooting is a science as well as a skill. I see guys making head-shots on prairie dogs at 2-300 yards all the time without a bench. The same with Pigeons at over 100 yards.
Thanks for your comment. I'm an airgun pro shooter, for example in RMAC I have one 2nd place, I been shooting over 500yd for a while, and I agree with you, but at the end just depends, the comparation here is just one experience just a picture with 2 guns almost out of the box. is not THE revealed true of all of the times written in stone.
@@FTChile I want you to know, I enjoy your videos. I wasn't trying to be coy either. I'm a Marine vet that started shooting when I was like 5. I thought I was a damn good shot when I joined. In most circles I was. But, the training I got in the corps was priceless. I've never competed in any firearm or Airgun competition. I'm retiring next month and want to get involved. I tend to get a little cynical on YT which is my bad, but when I watch people using a weapon like my SK-19 against a Blitz and the Blitz wins, I call BS. I own both. Guys get paid to plug guns. I get it. The Blitz isn't in the same zip code as the SK in any category. That's why the SK costs more than twice as much. I will put up my SK against any FX. It's all about the tuning. I consistently shoot 1/2" groups with it at 100 yds rapid fire. If I take my time, It's one hole. My next investment is going to be the epoch. If I don't like it, I'll sell it, but I'm intrigued. Thanks for replying and know that I enjoy your videos.
Not sure shooting pellets through a dedicated slug gun like the Panthera was a good comparison. Maybe shoot the 500mm Panthera in 30 cal since it has the standard Superior liner and will shoot pellets better than the heavy liner in that long Panthera.
and then will be a pellet v/s slug and is not fair too. But yes, it will be better other video with Panthera .30/600 v/s Epoch .30 pellet v/s pellet same caliber. next time for sure thanks for watching!
This is very true. But there's always a but, it can be very tricky trying to figure that out. I really thought it was me that was causing poi shifts. I found out it was the barrel I just cleaned. Then it was the barrel index, then it was the tune, then it was the slug or pellets fps, then it was the wind, then it was me😂😂😂😂
Shot count is very important to me. From what I understand the Skout EVO has a higher shot count in the FX impact Mark 3 using the same caliber, same weight slug weight Slug and same barrel length. Is this correct? I know somebody who has an fx impact Mark 3 and he told me that he gets 70 to 80 shots .25 700mm barrel shooting slugs at around 950 fps.
I would love to pin this video on my channel, I love you guys videos, I love the fact that you guys pay attention to the, you are not just did to sell guns on that it you focus on the customers that's really good, right now I think you guys probably the best place to buy a rifle from right now, good customer service and I believe something is wrong, you guys would take care of it
appreciate the video... of note... paper is cheap, for a pro demo put out some fresh paper background and fresh targets and mark/label your targets for your viewing audience; it will look soooo much better! thanks.
I'm surprised that you didn't properly prepare your guns prior to what seemed like you just jumped into a video. You didn't show anything that each gun is capable of. Why would you shoot pellets out of a Slug gun and expect a good grouping. If I didn't know any better, I would never consider purchasing an FX Panthera. Please try this again, only do it after plenty of planning and preparation. Remember the 7 P's. Proper Planning & Preparation Prevents Piss Poor Performance
What do you really think? Lolol I agree with you. I have both and these guys video was bad. Esteban knows his shit. Donnyfl will be making an adapter for your own moderator for the EPOCH. It's really not that loud. They were shooting inside a trailer. UGH . I tested a sample already.. The factory air stripper moderator does a good job. Donnyfl also makes a air stripper only for the Panthera that works well too.
Yeah like i mentioned in the video our main objective is to provide the best customer service for our customers. I appreciate your honesty and i can understand where you are coming from. If we all had a ton of free time and not a business to run we would certainly not have an excuse, however I'll take all that in to account and make it better next time thanks for your comment
@johnbridges6760 why need to "prepare" or expect something before? we prefer do things than don't do it. we don't need to show how good are or show perfect groups only. This is 100% real. If this is a surprise is really a good thing, we are doing something different. BTW the .25 Panthera comes with heavy liner and yes you can shoot heavy pellets with it.
@@stedyone1090 The Epoch IS louder period. and louder than almost any other .30 pellet PCP with moderator. but yes, is not like unmoderated PCP. just not back yard friendly. but is a competition gun no problem. BTW "air stripper" do nothing.
We know that this video is an attempt at an advertisement for the Skout Epoch fx imapct company that you are using. You need to adjust the settings and you will easily outperform them. You can obtain a group of less than 1 inch at a distance of 100 yards.
We are showing guns as is, no magic tuning no special ammo, no fake results. for sure is possible a better groups no doubt just need to do the right tuning, right ammo, right weather conditions, etc.
My buddy has a FX crown with the 700 light liner with slugs it's a one hole group with 218 H/N slugs, @ 108 yards not seeing anything mind blowing here
We don't need to show some mind-blowing content only 😉 And yes, we can do nice groups, but it needs the right ammo and conditions. We do real-world reviews. Thanks for watching 🙂
Me too. I just ordered a FX Pantera but I'm worried about the shot count and that I made a mistake. I keep hearing that the shot count is low on the Panthera. When looked at the FX spec sheet it said that with a 600 mm barrel, 22 caliber, using hybrid slugs at 900 FPS you get 80 shots. Are they telling the truth? I'm going to be shooting 32 grain, 34 grain and 36 grain Javelin Patriots. What would the shot count be with a 34 grain as an example? Mike
interesting... i had completely different results. you did that panthera ultra dirty. i had 2 epochs and they both shot poorly. my panthera smokes it bad... bad.
Nice rifles fer shur. Just not very good setup for 100 yards! They shoot better than this. The FX will come out on top! It's the rifle everyone will be using at prs comp shooting! Not Epoch lol
Why not do tests with real world slugs, instead of always shooting children's pellets at paper😕 Many of us are real shooters and rather shoot slugs for hunting😔👍
Maybe you are new on airguns +-95% airgunners use pellets For sure, slugs are growing. I'm using the panthera with slugs and shoot competition with impacts at 350yd no problem
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I really appreciate you guys doing your videos on the Skout Epoch and this comparison to the FX Panthera. While comparing both these two rifles is like comparing apples to oranges it is still is good to point out their features. I was excited to see Skout Epoch coming out with its new operating system but the lack of information on all aspects of its performance was slow to come out and still not complete. I do see Skout is making informational videos on operational aspects of the Epoch which I give them credit. I myself was looking for a power house air rifle to do heavier pesting like shooting groundhogs at longer ranges. I decide to order the FX Panthera 600mm in .30 cal. and will have a 700cc bottle added up front for increased shot count and with the 8mm hammer installed too. I decided to hold off on buying the Epoch because the lack of some information on some aspects of the rifle also the rifles heavier weight, no slug barrels (at this time) and the loud muzzle report. That is not to say I will not buy the Skout Epoch in the future as more performance information and videos are made. If you guys get a chance I would like to know what the shot count you get at one or more settings. I would like to see how you adjust the pressure settings say going from low power tune to a high power tune. Say from a pellet tune to slug tune though I know the slug barrels are not out yet. Another thing I find in general with pellets are that some are undersized in skirt and head diameters. Therefore it might be good to test shoot the Skout Epoch with its three different liners to see for accuracy differences. Thanks and keep up the good work. Oh I will add another possible test video you might do. That would be a decibel reading between the Skout Epoch and FX Panthera or other popular airguns that many people own. The Epoch certainly seems loud and the FX Panthera is said to be louder than most of the FX rifles. I believe you said the Epoch would need an adaptor to be made. It would be nice to see if one of the DonnyFL moderators could quite down the Epoch
Hey William this is Manny with ft airguns I appreciate your reply great idea about how to tune from high to low power settings also FYI the scout epic did come with three barrels and I do believe the s Plus their oil is supposed to be able to shoot slugs
Hopefully soon I will be able to do some of those videos that you referenced as well as but the other barrels in and test them as well thank you for the advice and the reply feel free to contact us by phone anytime you need anyting or by e-mail
It will be interesting to hear the 22 & 25 caliber versions of the Epoch.
can you tell me what setup you used on the Epoch for mounting the bipod? Adapter and bipod sources? TU Loved the video!
Paulk
Awesome video. Have you been able to receive an Epoch slug barrel?
I would love to see a comparison of the two with same caliber and with slugs.
Also the video could be longer. It would be nice to have some time to tune both guns and then shoot.
I have 700mm panthera in .25 and I can tell you first hand that the length isn’t an issue for hunting. I have several hours of stalking through the woods in the middle of the night with a DonnyFL on the end of mine.
well depends on the hunter and type of hunting but is NOT a hunting gun.
I been hunting with FX crown and yes is not a problem for me, but inside the truck... well you understand.
at the end depends on the hunter, for me is not a problem a long gun for hunting. I will take a Crown over the Panthera all day for normal pellet hunting for the shot count.
I just bought the Kalibrgun cricket 2 tactical from you guys. Love the gun…
The only way to make an accurate video like this is to have 2 professionally rated marksmen do the testing. All one has to do is watch an RMAC competition where everyone has the best airguns money can buy and they are tuned perfectly for 100 yards. Bench shooting is a science as well as a skill. I see guys making head-shots on prairie dogs at 2-300 yards all the time without a bench. The same with Pigeons at over 100 yards.
Thanks for your comment. I'm an airgun pro shooter, for example in RMAC I have one 2nd place, I been shooting over 500yd for a while, and I agree with you, but at the end just depends, the comparation here is just one experience just a picture with 2 guns almost out of the box. is not THE revealed true of all of the times written in stone.
@@FTChile I want you to know, I enjoy your videos. I wasn't trying to be coy either. I'm a Marine vet that started shooting when I was like 5. I thought I was a damn good shot when I joined. In most circles I was. But, the training I got in the corps was priceless. I've never competed in any firearm or Airgun competition. I'm retiring next month and want to get involved. I tend to get a little cynical on YT which is my bad, but when I watch people using a weapon like my SK-19 against a Blitz and the Blitz wins, I call BS. I own both. Guys get paid to plug guns. I get it. The Blitz isn't in the same zip code as the SK in any category. That's why the SK costs more than twice as much. I will put up my SK against any FX. It's all about the tuning. I consistently shoot 1/2" groups with it at 100 yds rapid fire. If I take my time, It's one hole. My next investment is going to be the epoch. If I don't like it, I'll sell it, but I'm intrigued. Thanks for replying and know that I enjoy your videos.
Not sure shooting pellets through a dedicated slug gun like the Panthera was a good comparison. Maybe shoot the 500mm Panthera in 30 cal since it has the standard Superior liner and will shoot pellets better than the heavy liner in that long Panthera.
and then will be a pellet v/s slug and is not fair too.
But yes, it will be better other video with Panthera .30/600 v/s Epoch .30 pellet v/s pellet same caliber.
next time for sure
thanks for watching!
Actually guys, we tested 50 grain slugs with the .30 cal 35" Epoch and it shot them very well at 50 and 75 yards.
Not a fair comparison. .25 vs .30. The .30 will be slightly more accurate in the wind due to the heavier grain pellet vs the .25.
actually, is the oposite
.30 have the worst BC and the balance is worst too, more % weight on front.
Sometimes actually mostly accuracy issues is the shooter and not the rifle.
This is very true. But there's always a but, it can be very tricky trying to figure that out. I really thought it was me that was causing poi shifts. I found out it was the barrel I just cleaned. Then it was the barrel index, then it was the tune, then it was the slug or pellets fps, then it was the wind, then it was me😂😂😂😂
Try the 35 inch barrel in the Epoch. Also test the + and - barrels. Big differences
Hello great video, thanks a lot. We could have an idea of the Panthera with pellets...
Manny us an Airgun wizard!!
Thank you sir
Shot count is very important to me. From what I understand the Skout EVO has a higher shot count in the FX impact Mark 3 using the same caliber, same weight slug weight Slug and same barrel length. Is this correct?
I know somebody who has an fx impact Mark 3 and he told me that he gets 70 to 80 shots .25 700mm barrel shooting slugs at around 950 fps.
Hold up, why the Western Sidewinder .30 not in there.
I see you found the Joypod !! :) Were you shooting the MkII's in the FX?
I would love to pin this video on my channel, I love you guys videos, I love the fact that you guys pay attention to the, you are not just did to sell guns on that it you focus on the customers that's really good, right now I think you guys probably the best place to buy a rifle from right now, good customer service and I believe something is wrong, you guys would take care of it
Thank you very much we appreciate that. Anything you need feel free to call or email us
appreciate the video... of note... paper is cheap, for a pro demo put out some fresh paper background and fresh targets and mark/label your targets for your viewing audience; it will look soooo much better! thanks.
Great versus video. Keep them coming.
A tuning video would be great?
I'm surprised that you didn't properly prepare your guns prior to what seemed like you just jumped into a video. You didn't show anything that each gun is capable of. Why would you shoot pellets out of a Slug gun and expect a good grouping. If I didn't know any better, I would never consider purchasing an FX Panthera. Please try this again, only do it after plenty of planning and preparation. Remember the 7 P's. Proper Planning & Preparation Prevents Piss Poor Performance
What do you really think?
Lolol
I agree with you.
I have both and these guys video was bad.
Esteban knows his shit.
Donnyfl will be making an adapter for your own moderator for the EPOCH.
It's really not that loud. They were shooting inside a trailer. UGH . I tested a sample already.. The factory air stripper moderator does a good job.
Donnyfl also makes a air stripper only for the Panthera that works well too.
Yeah like i mentioned in the video our main objective is to provide the best customer service for our customers. I appreciate your honesty and i can understand where you are coming from. If we all had a ton of free time and not a business to run we would certainly not have an excuse, however I'll take all that in to account and make it better next time thanks for your comment
Thanks Manual. I know you want to give your customers the best information available.
@johnbridges6760 why need to "prepare" or expect something before? we prefer do things than don't do it. we don't need to show how good are or show perfect groups only. This is 100% real.
If this is a surprise is really a good thing, we are doing something different.
BTW the .25 Panthera comes with heavy liner and yes you can shoot heavy pellets with it.
@@stedyone1090 The Epoch IS louder period. and louder than almost any other .30 pellet PCP with moderator. but yes, is not like unmoderated PCP. just not back yard friendly. but is a competition gun no problem.
BTW "air stripper" do nothing.
We know that this video is an attempt at an advertisement for the Skout Epoch fx imapct company that you are using. You need to adjust the settings and you will easily outperform them. You can obtain a group of less than 1 inch at a distance of 100 yards.
We are showing guns as is, no magic tuning no special ammo, no fake results. for sure is possible a better groups no doubt just need to do the right tuning, right ammo, right weather conditions, etc.
My buddy has a FX crown with the 700 light liner with slugs it's a one hole group with 218 H/N slugs, @ 108 yards not seeing anything mind blowing here
We don't need to show some mind-blowing content only 😉
And yes, we can do nice groups, but it needs the right ammo and conditions.
We do real-world reviews.
Thanks for watching 🙂
@@FTChile hey just remarking on what I seen meant no disrespect, I also live with in the real world
What state are you in ?
in north TX
in DFW area
359 Lake Park Rd, Lewisville, TX 75057
@@FTChile Dang I used to lived in Aubrey.
I am a lucky man.
I have both.
He just out shot you. The Panthera is almost hole in hole at 50
Man i knew something was wrong...and i don't own one to know it as intimately as an M3..... I'm gonna try again with the 30 to make it a bit more even
Thumper & Twanger sound wise
the fx panthera was made for shoot slug !
Hola, quiero comprar un Gauntlet2 .30, soy de México. Les he escrito, pero no he tenido suerte para que me contesten
Me too. I just ordered a FX Pantera but I'm worried about the shot count and that I made a mistake.
I keep hearing that the shot count is low on the Panthera.
When looked at the FX spec sheet it said that with a 600 mm barrel, 22 caliber, using hybrid slugs at 900 FPS you get 80 shots. Are they telling the truth?
I'm going to be shooting 32 grain, 34 grain and 36 grain Javelin Patriots. What would the shot count be with a 34 grain as an example?
Mike
Bueno dejen de hablar en inglés viejo eso no va les tengo la pregunta hacen envíos para Colombia espero sus respuesta
interesting... i had completely different results. you did that panthera ultra dirty. i had 2 epochs and they both shot poorly. my panthera smokes it bad... bad.
Geesh. You at least have to use the same caliber. I thought for second this would be worth while. Uh nope.
Fx can’t hold a candle to that gun at all
Nice rifles fer shur. Just not very good setup for 100 yards! They shoot better than this. The FX will come out on top! It's the rifle everyone will be using at prs comp shooting! Not Epoch lol
Why not do tests with real world slugs, instead of always shooting children's pellets at paper😕 Many of us are real shooters and rather shoot slugs for hunting😔👍
Maybe you are new on airguns
+-95% airgunners use pellets
For sure, slugs are growing.
I'm using the panthera with slugs and shoot competition with impacts at 350yd no problem