with such starfighters, they waste their talented pilots. For example, Wedge was just some cadet from the Imperial Navy, and when he joined the rebelllion, he became one of the most skilled pilot if not the most skilled pilot in the Rebellion's navy. Meanwhile, the Rebellion offer their pilots the best starfighter they could afford, and view them as very valuable, due to the numbers of pilots they have.
But you could take the sovoets aproch vs the nazis the german liked to build great panzers that would last 20 years but that isent usefuel for a tank the soviet took the other aproch they knew the tanks wozldent last long and that why they dident plish it out like the nazis did
The Xwing wasn't the best starfighter the Rebellion could afford. It was the only one they had to offer. Note that production abilities were limited. They didn't have much choice in what they could build. TIE's were good ships. A shield isn't going to help you if a more maneuverable ship is on your tail.
I still think that Wedge would have done well in the Imperial Navy. The TIE fighter corps operated on an "only the best survive" kind of mentality. TIE's had no shields, no life support and barely any armour. If you survived more than a few months as a TIE pilot, it was purely down to your skill as a pilot rather than the quality of the ship you flew. Pilots who flew TIEs for over a year were considered ace pilots and were eligible to fly the TIE Interceptors and Defenders that actually _had_ shields and decent armour. The fact that Wedge eventually became Squadron Leader of Rogue Squadron, the most decorated Squadron in the entire Rebel Navy, tells me that his piloting skills would have seen him climb the ranks of the Imperial Navy just as well.
@@realburglazofficial2613 I don't think you know what your really talking about... Tho the interceptor imo was one of their better ships and my favorite, it did not have any shields nor a hyperdrive sooo idk where u got that from...
Ironically, the Tarkin Doctrine's objectives had already been largely achieved before the 1st death star was active. Before Tarkin went full retard and blew up one of the few planets that people in the core world's considered to be one of the cradles of galactic wide interstellar civilization, the very ominous presence of a star destroyer floating above an individual planet's Capital was enough to achieve the desired effect of his doctrine. As expensive as they are, ISDs were already mass produced weapons of terror that could individually house a large garrison of troops and materials to sustain them that could deal with any rebellious but disorganized planet they were stationed over while providing orbital fire support. With star wars tech, the empire should be easily capable of far more impressive feats of destruction than mass scattering a planet with a giant one multi trillion credit laser. Imagine if they ever reverse engineered certain tech in legends that allows Centerpoint Station to generate potent enough tractor beams to pull entire stars through hyperspace? This thing wasn't even really intended to be a weapon by it's long dead creators but the sheer level of cosmic destruction it could cause in the wrong hands extremely overshadows the deathstar. The ability to destroy rebellious star systems emass with weapons the bend the very fabric of space-time in destructive ways makes the deathstar's ability to instakill a planet with a giant laser pail in comparison.
Man, I love standard Tie Fighter ln. I know that it is essentially a death trap, with very narrow viewport and large presence but ever since I played the original Tie Fighter game I fell in love with the design. I also enjoyed that in the new Star Wars Squadrons game Tie Fighters become viable space superiority fighters, with capability to carry heavier ordnance, very high maneuverability and actually better armor than X-Wings to compensate for the lack of shields. And that howl of Twin Ion Engines - always gives me the chills.
In Squadrons, they had to do balancing so that both sides were roughly equal. It's like in POV shooters they'll have the AK as accurate as the M16/M4, while the Armalite never jams in the game.
@@casbot71 I know - but I still consider this to be canon. It's far better than Tie Fighters from 90s games which fell apart after just two hits. This defeated the whole point of using them. Plus giving Tie Fighters/Interceptors the advantage over shielded craft by enabling them to power-shunt was a golden idea.
@@Noah-zz8uw Yeah, loving it. I loved it even in OG games when it fell apart after a single blast. But it's much better now in battlefront and squadrons. I wish we had more Star Wars games about 'flying'.
I never understood why no one in the Empire never designed a basic TIE fighter with shields. Their biggest weakness in combat was that pretty much any hit would disable or destroy them. While Rebel ships could take several hits because of their shields. Yes, they were fast and nimble craft, but if you were to combine that with even relatively weak shields that would give the average TIE more of a chance when they did get hit. While the Empire doesn't really care about the people, from a pure money standpoint and combat readiness standpoint spending a little more on each ship would still be cheaper than having to replace so many ships plus the cost of training a replacement pilot if fewer of them get shot down by Rebel X-wings.
These are reasons why I always thought going with the z95 headhunter would have been a better idea. Good shields, decent speed, decent firepower, adaptable payloads, and a modular design make it a superior choice. Especially when it costs 60k for a tie and 80k for a z95. You can assume the empire would receive a discount for ordering ships in bulk, so the tie for them is actually cheaper than it would be in reality if they hadn't bought so many. Their abundance and disposable nature would make them cheaper once they hit the domestic market. If the empire bought the z95 in bulk I imagine they could get them for 70k with a hyperdrive also being installed. The ability to deploy a squadron without the aid of additional support is a big bonus, and adds a lot more flexibility. Be it having to deploy from another ship, or jumping to hyperspace. Makes a big difference especially when in the outer rim where imperial control isn't as strong.
Three reasons: 1. The Empire wanted to manufacture their starfighters as quickly and cheaply as possible. If that meant getting rid of shields would be a cost-saving measure, then they'll gladly take that sacrifice. 2. The Empire treats their pilots as disposable assets who they indoctrinate to give their lives to defending the Empire and their Emperor no matter what the costs. 3. The Empire has trillions of candidates within its territory to recruit into the starfighter corps who would quickly replace any pilots who lose their lives. So the Empire doesn't have a pilot shortage just like the Rebellion does.
Their only armor are the solar panels on each side, if they didn't have those solar panels, one hit even with blasters to the cockpit and Boom. But when going against bigger weapons the solar panels becomes their weakness since they are big targets and it'll only take one shot.
@@childishisnotachild7277 Do you not understand that TIE fighters have armor plating? You can shoot a blaster at it all you want, that isn't going to get through the armor plating unless it's something high powered like a heavy blaster rifle/bowcaster. Even the glass is strong, it's called transparisteel which is as strong as regular steel here on Earth, and is also used on Star Destroyers for windows.
The Tie Fighter is really a genius designed starfighter and a great concept of a starfighter. It's very fast because they are fairly small in size and because of the engines which are powered by the solar panels, so they'll essentially never run out of energy if they travell near a star. However the main flaw is that, the solar panles stands out and enemies could easily hit them from the side, but what they lack in design, they make up for speed. And most importantly from all of this, is that they are very cheap, which is very benefitial for the empire.
The only issue I have is that the tiny window at the front makes it harder to see anything to the side. However their real advantage is their numbers. Even if a squad of 10 gets shot down, there are 1000 more right behind them.
I could see a group of former Death Troopers with painted armor and a painted TIE-Reaper working as bounty hunters, flying under the radar of the new republic.
Even though it may not be canon currently, I think the TIE Hunter should’ve been in this list. Like the TIE/D Defender, it is also an elite TIE fighter that’s armed to the teeth with diverse weapons, but I think it’d be a little bit cheaper than the Defender to manufacture. This fighter line was made exclusively for the Storm Commandos.
I think the main flaw with the standard TIE Fighter is that it wasn't really made as a pure fighter craft. Most of the time its duties would be much more mundane than pure battle, whether that be flying patrols, fighting off poorly equipped and trained pirates, or just looking intimidating. Most of the time, the TIE Fighter was more than sufficient for these duties, and because it was cheap and simple, the empire had more than enough of them
I hope the Gun Boat and Missle Boat both make it back into the story from legends. The Missle Boat being made spacifically to hunt those pesky defecting Tie Defender squads that also no longer exist.
An interesting comparison video would be to compare the Empire to CIS when it comes to mass manufacturing. Would CIS do a better job than the Empire at ruling the galaxy?
The TIE-Reaper is my favorite by far. If I'd live in the Star Wars universe I'd travel in a modified TIE-Reaper with other ex-Imperials working as mercenaries ^^
Inertial dampers are what prevented jelliifying pilots, His repulsorlifts are what provided anti gravity bubbles and atmospheric flight for non aerodynamic craft. they were necessary for everything from speeder bikes all the way through star destroyers.
I think its more to the fact that inertial dampers, repulsors, shields, and sheer brute force from the engines available made aerodynamics to be less of a factor. Why waste resource to make something more aerodynamic when you can achieve the same results with something readily available and perhaps even cheaper than going through the design and shaping process?
I wish we had star wars games about flying multiple ships. Like, you can choose to fly a transport ship or a fighter or a carrier for different groups. Sorta like the truckers of star wars. Idk I just want to see more interiors of these crafts. I love squadrons and I always play as the Interceptor.
Darth Vader flew the TIE Advance Protoype, if you played Tie Fighter or X-wing Alliance, you will see the TIE Advance nickname the The Avenger. Also in legends Grand Admiral - Originally a Grand Admiral, Zaarin was the Imperial Navy's head of starfighter research and development. He was the one who designed the Tie Advance/avenger, Tie Defender. Grand Admiral Thrawn designed the missile boat to counter the Tie Advance and Tie Defenders, All in legends of course.
The TIE series not having shields, is a huge design flaw. However, not having FTL I actually understand. The drives are expensive for one and when you need to outfit a lot of ships, that is a huge drain. Also, think about it, the ships are small. There is no 'refresher'. This means you are flying many many hours with in a tiny car, can't pull off to the side of the road and there are no pit stops until you link up with a carrier anyways. Best solution? Have a TIE Advanced Mk 2 or variant Interceptors that do have hyperdrives for tactical strikes. Possibly design a short range drive to 'hyper hop' strategically. The Jedi could get away with small FTL ships because they'd just trance themselves into a coma until they get to where they are going.
I get using Tie Fighters for more novice pilots but veteran pilots needed something better, which did kind of come with the Tie Interceptor but still had a lot of the same flaws. Super experienced pilots are just valuable as the ships they're in.
What people don't usually realise is that the TIE was made as cheap as possible because they couldn't afford better fighters. Keep in mind they had to buy millions and millions of them to patrol with the ISD's the whole Empire.
Also it was quite old design. If Vader would have time to modernize them, Rebellion would be DEAD. Gladly for them Death Star siphoned so much resources, it give Rebellion moment of technological advantage.
I dunno if I'm alone in this, but the TIE Experimental Air Superiority Fighter and the Reaper Attack Lander are sexy AF ships. I've ALWAYS loved the Lambda class shuttles. I guess I'm an Imperial fanboy. Who knew?
I swear that I once heard that originally they were supposed to have shielding like a x-wing (which seem to in the ot barely be shielded at all) but it was 90s video games that introduced the unshielded idea vs shielded rebel craft to explain why you could waste so many tie fighters and that was the idea that stuck.
As much as I love the experimental TIEs like the Defender and the V-38 assault fighter They were too expensive to field in numbers the Empire needed. The TIE Interceptor was a good medium ground. Good enough that it could be a nightmare to any but the best Rebel pilots, affordable enough that the Empire could afford to spread them out so that it was likely that they would actually encounter Rebel Starfighters. One ship that I wish Alan had included was the Alpha Xg-1 Star Wing which was Thrawn's first attempt to build a fighter that was comparrable with the Rebellion's fighters. It might not have been as good at dogfighting as the X-Wing, but it did have an interesting weapons load including laser cannons, ion cannons and two pods that could carry 12 proton torpedoes. The interesting thing was that it could launch all missiles at once which would be great for hit and run assaults.This would have been a good ship for the Imperial Remnant to have near the end of the civil war when the former Imperials had to behave more like rebels.
Sometimes I would compare the TIE fighter to the M4 Sherman: not complicated to manufacture and is mass produced, there are many variants of both also.
I so want to write Tie Fighter novel (based on the PC game). It would take a few changes to fit new canon, ie switch Thrawn with Faro, but it would so worth showing an anti-Tarkin doctrine group within the Empire vs the now leaderless Tarkin group. I would bring in the Tie Avenger, Starwings, Tie Hunters, and so much more.. The one thing I really had against Star Wars Rebels is they started off with ISD's when they should have started off with Victory Class, Gladiators, and other ships first. ISD's should have only appeared once construction of the Tie Factories started.
The Actis was almost certainly in production BEFORE the Battle of Coruscant, since shortly after that battle, Palpatine's shuttle carrying Anakin was escorted by an Actis wing. Although, still quite plausible that the Actis was created in reaction to ARC-170 problems.
It's really a pity the empire was so idiotic when it came to starfighters. The TIE platform had a lot of potential to become an excellent starfighter, as shown by the Imperial Remnant in legends, or the First Order in "canon"
The Tarkin Doctrine VS Thrawn Doctrine, The Emperor favored death stars and star destroyers. Thrawn prefered cheaper cruisers with guns like quad lasers and Tie defenders. Since the larger star destroyers lacked point defenses Thrawn's doctrine is cheaper and more effective the the Tarkin Doctrine over all in my opinion. Emperor Palpatine was obsessed with power and prohibitively expensive death stars really killed the Empire in my opinion. And it amounts to the Emperor trying to swat flies with a sledge hammer not really using the right tool for the job so to speak.
Who else here is a X-Wing Miniature Game fan? For those who like the dog fighting of Star Wars, you need to look into this game. It's a ton of fun and it does a great job highlighting each ships abilities and weaknesses. They almost always get each ship unique characteristics to show in the game. Star Wars Squadrons is also fun but I think it fails to show the differences quite as well since they had to make the Tie just as good as an X-Wing which isn't really accurate. It makes sense for them from a gameplay standpoint but its not accurate. X-Wing the miniature game doesn't have these problem quite to the same scale since a fair game can be 5 X-Wings vs. 9 Ties.
The Tie/LN was a *false economy.* The cost of having to not only replace needlessly destroyed fighters but _train up new pilots from scratch_ meant it ended up costing the Empire a lot more than a high end fighter. Then there was the reputational cost of having the standard fighter being so fragile that it could be taken down by a bowcaster (fired by a blind man). Having a fighter that could take _a lot of punishment_ would have been a better option, as they were usually operating near their own facilities and support so that being able to limp to base or be rescued was a far more viable option than for the raiders who needed to hyperspace (with an intact hyperdrive) to get to safety. In a pitched battle, a damaged "tanky" Tie that had shields and heavy armour could immediately withdrawal back to a hanger, and the Empire could repair it and get it back into action for far less cost than a new Tie and the whole training cycle of a pilot. And a Tie that could take a few hits would give the pilot more confidence to go after kills - a pilot in a standard LN had to always be concerned about even glancing fire and be ready to back off as they were delicate.
It's actually a sunk cost fallacy brought upon the military mindset used to militia defense. Most officers were probably used to the economy of scale based upon a planetary budget. You can have good fast or cheap but only pick two since you cant use all the money for planetary defense from a population, infrastructure and other costs on a planetary budget needed to satisfy the citizens had to be paid as well. Once you have multiple cash sources to fund the military, and while the empire military was vast so was the source of money fueling it. Heck the things didnt even have partial shielding which is inherently dumb since while space is vast there is so much garbage in orbit and so many micrometeoroids and just random things out there. That scene of tie fighters entering asteroid fields? they should have been dead in seconds after entering the first 1/16th layer because of micro meteors and dust going 10000 MPH against the hull.
Very well said especially if you consider how high quality the tie fighter pilots were. The imperial pilots should’ve been put in Xwing and the rebels should’ve put their inexperienced pilots into cheap tie fighters
You have to take into account that the Empire wasn't at constant all out war with anyone, besides from the conflicts we see in the movies were TIE's performed well there wasn't much else going on so casualties were still overall pretty low. If the Empire were to go up against a massive enemy force then TIE/LN fighters would probably be quickly refit with shields or replaced.
I love how I’m almost all of his videos he just makes up numbers and figures on things and it’s still super entertaining. The way that he talks liek he actually lives in the SW universe is also very endearing
The biggest weakness of the TIE design (aside from its lack of shields) is the fact that you can't see a fucking thing out of it. The viewport is restrictive, you have no visibility in any other direction, and the sensors are absolute trash. And yet, despite these flaws, the cockpit is absolutely massive. There's so much free space in there that you can actually cram two or three more people in. Such a waste of mass and space that could be used by superior engines or weapon capacitors. This is especially annoying given that the cockpit is the one element that they never changed. I bet the TIE Defender would be even more dangerous if the pilot could actually see shit.
Don't know why but it's just now recurring to me that the chiss may now be making us of the tie detender or a cheaper version of it the chiss claw craft from legends just create an interchangeable weapons package for chiss claw craft for mission specific goals or just make chiss claw craft with varieing weapons/capability permanently like reg ties will always just have blaster cannons unless customized
If Squadrons is a realistic Star Wars flight sim at all, I can confirm that someone with skill and a tie fighter can for sure snipe me out of nowhere mid tofu drift.
Not mentioned regarding standard TIE's, is it's impaired visibility from the cockpit due to the TIE's solar panels. Sure, your system computers let you know when a ship is approaching from either side, but the advantage of being able to identify it visually cannot be overstated. It was a design flaw addressed in every future iteration of the TIE series until the time of the First Order. Which is yet another reason the ST should not be canon.
You know, that whole inertial dampener thing? According to "original" star wars books, the tie fighter didn't have them. They used repulsor lift and pure thrust to fly. the smallest ship to carry inertial dampeners before the xwing was the YT-1300, The 1998 Star Wars Encyclopedia has an "acceleration compensator" entry, which says these are used in "medium- and larger-sized spacecraft such as the Millennium Falcon." Now rogue squadron says the x-wing has them and was the first fighter EVER to carry them but they were only 80% effective, allowing the pilots to feel the g forces so they wouldn't rip the ships apart in tight turns. the whole inertial compensator was made to justify star ships accelerating at 1000's of g's... which was never supposed to happen.
The idea that the tie defender was competing with the death star for funding/resources is a bit silly. You could have built a few 100 million defenders with the raw material used in the death star. I could see the defender project fighting with the death star for researchers/ engineers, but materials and funding should have been a fairly trivial concern.
though, it is from legends and I believe only featured in a single game, one of my favourite TIE fighters was the TIE Hunter from SW: Rogue Squadron 3 if memory serves me right.
Should've sticked to the V-Wings. Costs the same as the TIE Interceptor and slightly cheaper than the X-Wing too. And most importantly WAY better than the TIE Fighter
The lack of hyperdrive and life support is acceptable, but no shields is what really hurt the TIE fighters. When novice pilots get blown up for making even one tiny mistake, they are never given the opportunity to learn, meaning most of your force is always going to be fresh faced recruits with no combat experience. Heck, even your elite ace pilots could easily get taken out my a micro-meteor. That was the whole point of shield on spaceships originally: not to stop eneny fire, but to prevent an unlucky bit of space junk from puncturing your viewport!
I'll say it: The problem with the TIE fighter isn't the design, but the implementation. A cheap craft with exceptional maneuverability and speed coupled with good enough armaments is a great concept. The shields don't seem to save any fighters I've seen in the movies etc, and hyperdrives arn't necessary for a ship made to defend its carrier. No what killed the TIE is plotarmour, and that the imperial doctrine was to carry to few of them. The likes of A-wings suit the Imperial II design much better, because of its very limited hangar bays, but you tell me that if someone showed up with, say, a Venator filled to the brim with TIE/LN's the rebels wouldn't start eyeing those hyperdrives right away.
I mean thinking about it I don't get how the Tie LN is called an space supority fighter... As it's meant to be one of many vs a few not the reverse which on Earth we typically think of when we hear Air Supority Fighter. How ever in the Empire could have called it that like the US called the F-117 a Stealth fighter when it reality it was just an inderdicter a sub set of attackers... So to make people feel better about flying them... Could also be for propganda reasons.
I am convinced the Arc170 was overdesigned on purpose so its failures would promote a doctrinal shift to smaller, more disposable fighters as the Empire preferred. Devious Chessmaster that Sidious.
with such starfighters, they waste their talented pilots. For example, Wedge was just some cadet from the Imperial Navy, and when he joined the rebelllion, he became one of the most skilled pilot if not the most skilled pilot in the Rebellion's navy. Meanwhile, the Rebellion offer their pilots the best starfighter they could afford, and view them as very valuable, due to the numbers of pilots they have.
Actually this is true for our own airforce cause even how much aircrafts cost you can't replace an good pilot
But you could take the sovoets aproch vs the nazis the german liked to build great panzers that would last 20 years but that isent usefuel for a tank the soviet took the other aproch they knew the tanks wozldent last long and that why they dident plish it out like the nazis did
The Xwing wasn't the best starfighter the Rebellion could afford. It was the only one they had to offer. Note that production abilities were limited. They didn't have much choice in what they could build. TIE's were good ships. A shield isn't going to help you if a more maneuverable ship is on your tail.
I still think that Wedge would have done well in the Imperial Navy. The TIE fighter corps operated on an "only the best survive" kind of mentality. TIE's had no shields, no life support and barely any armour. If you survived more than a few months as a TIE pilot, it was purely down to your skill as a pilot rather than the quality of the ship you flew. Pilots who flew TIEs for over a year were considered ace pilots and were eligible to fly the TIE Interceptors and Defenders that actually _had_ shields and decent armour. The fact that Wedge eventually became Squadron Leader of Rogue Squadron, the most decorated Squadron in the entire Rebel Navy, tells me that his piloting skills would have seen him climb the ranks of the Imperial Navy just as well.
@@realburglazofficial2613 I don't think you know what your really talking about... Tho the interceptor imo was one of their better ships and my favorite, it did not have any shields nor a hyperdrive sooo idk where u got that from...
Tarkin, “The Clone Trooper program is a time costing relic of the past…”
Me, “How many credits did you Imps waste creating two Death Stars?”
The cost was too dam high
Ironically, the Tarkin Doctrine's objectives had already been largely achieved before the 1st death star was active. Before Tarkin went full retard and blew up one of the few planets that people in the core world's considered to be one of the cradles of galactic wide interstellar civilization, the very ominous presence of a star destroyer floating above an individual planet's Capital was enough to achieve the desired effect of his doctrine.
As expensive as they are, ISDs were already mass produced weapons of terror that could individually house a large garrison of troops and materials to sustain them that could deal with any rebellious but disorganized planet they were stationed over while providing orbital fire support. With star wars tech, the empire should be easily capable of far more impressive feats of destruction than mass scattering a planet with a giant one multi trillion credit laser.
Imagine if they ever reverse engineered certain tech in legends that allows Centerpoint Station to generate potent enough tractor beams to pull entire stars through hyperspace? This thing wasn't even really intended to be a weapon by it's long dead creators but the sheer level of cosmic destruction it could cause in the wrong hands extremely overshadows the deathstar. The ability to destroy rebellious star systems emass with weapons the bend the very fabric of space-time in destructive ways makes the deathstar's ability to instakill a planet with a giant laser pail in comparison.
@@heisenberggutenberg95 it broke the empire back in the end , costing 2% of empire entire galaxy spanning empire gdp
Man, I love standard Tie Fighter ln. I know that it is essentially a death trap, with very narrow viewport and large presence but ever since I played the original Tie Fighter game I fell in love with the design.
I also enjoyed that in the new Star Wars Squadrons game Tie Fighters become viable space superiority fighters, with capability to carry heavier ordnance, very high maneuverability and actually better armor than X-Wings to compensate for the lack of shields.
And that howl of Twin Ion Engines - always gives me the chills.
In Squadrons, they had to do balancing so that both sides were roughly equal.
It's like in POV shooters they'll have the AK as accurate as the M16/M4, while the Armalite never jams in the game.
@@casbot71 I know - but I still consider this to be canon. It's far better than Tie Fighters from 90s games which fell apart after just two hits. This defeated the whole point of using them.
Plus giving Tie Fighters/Interceptors the advantage over shielded craft by enabling them to power-shunt was a golden idea.
@@blazestarwars2919 in battlefront, TIEs also have heavier weaponry, like missiles. Just more evidence for TIEs not being as bad as everyone says
@@Noah-zz8uw Yeah, loving it. I loved it even in OG games when it fell apart after a single blast. But it's much better now in battlefront and squadrons. I wish we had more Star Wars games about 'flying'.
I never understood why no one in the Empire never designed a basic TIE fighter with shields. Their biggest weakness in combat was that pretty much any hit would disable or destroy them. While Rebel ships could take several hits because of their shields. Yes, they were fast and nimble craft, but if you were to combine that with even relatively weak shields that would give the average TIE more of a chance when they did get hit. While the Empire doesn't really care about the people, from a pure money standpoint and combat readiness standpoint spending a little more on each ship would still be cheaper than having to replace so many ships plus the cost of training a replacement pilot if fewer of them get shot down by Rebel X-wings.
These are reasons why I always thought going with the z95 headhunter would have been a better idea. Good shields, decent speed, decent firepower, adaptable payloads, and a modular design make it a superior choice. Especially when it costs 60k for a tie and 80k for a z95.
You can assume the empire would receive a discount for ordering ships in bulk, so the tie for them is actually cheaper than it would be in reality if they hadn't bought so many. Their abundance and disposable nature would make them cheaper once they hit the domestic market. If the empire bought the z95 in bulk I imagine they could get them for 70k with a hyperdrive also being installed.
The ability to deploy a squadron without the aid of additional support is a big bonus, and adds a lot more flexibility. Be it having to deploy from another ship, or jumping to hyperspace. Makes a big difference especially when in the outer rim where imperial control isn't as strong.
Three reasons:
1. The Empire wanted to manufacture their starfighters as quickly and cheaply as possible. If that meant getting rid of shields would be a cost-saving measure, then they'll gladly take that sacrifice.
2. The Empire treats their pilots as disposable assets who they indoctrinate to give their lives to defending the Empire and their Emperor no matter what the costs.
3. The Empire has trillions of candidates within its territory to recruit into the starfighter corps who would quickly replace any pilots who lose their lives. So the Empire doesn't have a pilot shortage just like the Rebellion does.
Their only armor are the solar panels on each side, if they didn't have those solar panels, one hit even with blasters to the cockpit and Boom. But when going against bigger weapons the solar panels becomes their weakness since they are big targets and it'll only take one shot.
So that the scrappy underdog heroes can slaughter them en masse with little to no effort.
@@childishisnotachild7277 Do you not understand that TIE fighters have armor plating? You can shoot a blaster at it all you want, that isn't going to get through the armor plating unless it's something high powered like a heavy blaster rifle/bowcaster. Even the glass is strong, it's called transparisteel which is as strong as regular steel here on Earth, and is also used on Star Destroyers for windows.
The Tie Fighter is really a genius designed starfighter and a great concept of a starfighter. It's very fast because they are fairly small in size and because of the engines which are powered by the solar panels, so they'll essentially never run out of energy if they travell near a star. However the main flaw is that, the solar panles stands out and enemies could easily hit them from the side, but what they lack in design, they make up for speed. And most importantly from all of this, is that they are very cheap, which is very benefitial for the empire.
The only issue I have is that the tiny window at the front makes it harder to see anything to the side.
However their real advantage is their numbers. Even if a squad of 10 gets shot down, there are 1000 more right behind them.
but the x wing is better in every way
@@logivilhjalmur2984, not in cost or generating its own energy.
These Miningguild guys we see in Rebels, have removed the front parts from their Tiefighter panels. Maybe they did this for a better view.
@@ShadowReaper-pu2hx i know its expensive but it does have a power generator so it can go further then a tie
It's good to know the TIE - Defender was chosen for this list of Imperial star fighters...Great is to Grand Admiral Thrawn.
For Bounty Hunting the TIE Reaper would be Phenomenal.
I could see a group of former Death Troopers with painted armor and a painted TIE-Reaper working as bounty hunters, flying under the radar of the new republic.
Tie Phantom would be the perfect ambush predator.
Even though it may not be canon currently, I think the TIE Hunter should’ve been in this list. Like the TIE/D Defender, it is also an elite TIE fighter that’s armed to the teeth with diverse weapons, but I think it’d be a little bit cheaper than the Defender to manufacture. This fighter line was made exclusively for the Storm Commandos.
I think the main flaw with the standard TIE Fighter is that it wasn't really made as a pure fighter craft. Most of the time its duties would be much more mundane than pure battle, whether that be flying patrols, fighting off poorly equipped and trained pirates, or just looking intimidating. Most of the time, the TIE Fighter was more than sufficient for these duties, and because it was cheap and simple, the empire had more than enough of them
I hope the Gun Boat and Missle Boat both make it back into the story from legends. The Missle Boat being made spacifically to hunt those pesky defecting Tie Defender squads that also no longer exist.
Bad batch season 2 potential side plot?
My the missle boat is my favorite from the old Tie Fighter game.
I always thought the Missileboat was kinda goofy and OP. But I love the Gunboat. And the TIE Avenger. Would love to see both of those come back.
An interesting comparison video would be to compare the Empire to CIS when it comes to mass manufacturing. Would CIS do a better job than the Empire at ruling the galaxy?
Interesting idea
The TIE-Reaper is my favorite by far. If I'd live in the Star Wars universe I'd travel in a modified TIE-Reaper with other ex-Imperials working as mercenaries ^^
I'd go for a TIE Silencer myself, the kind Kylo Ren uses. I just think it's neat.
If you could get one, I'd imagne it would be like trying to get miltary tech currently
@@WorldGoods I think as an Imeprial after the collapse of the empire you could definitely steal some stuff
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That's surprising really easy to do in the star wars galaxy. Especially after the empire's fall.
@@theweirdo7571 I like the TIE Silencer too, that junt is hard n I wish I could get one irl lol
Inertial dampers are what prevented jelliifying pilots, His repulsorlifts are what provided anti gravity bubbles and atmospheric flight for non aerodynamic craft. they were necessary for everything from speeder bikes all the way through star destroyers.
Gen tech: talks about all the fighters and shuttles of the Empire
Assault Gunboats: *are we a joke to you?*
I think its more to the fact that inertial dampers, repulsors, shields, and sheer brute force from the engines available made aerodynamics to be less of a factor. Why waste resource to make something more aerodynamic when you can achieve the same results with something readily available and perhaps even cheaper than going through the design and shaping process?
I wish we had star wars games about flying multiple ships. Like, you can choose to fly a transport ship or a fighter or a carrier for different groups. Sorta like the truckers of star wars. Idk I just want to see more interiors of these crafts. I love squadrons and I always play as the Interceptor.
Darth Vader flew the TIE Advance Protoype, if you played Tie Fighter or X-wing Alliance, you will see the TIE Advance nickname the The Avenger. Also in legends Grand Admiral - Originally a Grand Admiral, Zaarin was the Imperial Navy's head of starfighter research and development. He was the one who designed the Tie Advance/avenger, Tie Defender. Grand Admiral Thrawn designed the missile boat to counter the Tie Advance and Tie Defenders, All in legends of course.
Allen you are absolutely amazing at explaining things Star Wars. Do you have any other channels where you explain something other than Star Wars?
The TIE series not having shields, is a huge design flaw. However, not having FTL I actually understand. The drives are expensive for one and when you need to outfit a lot of ships, that is a huge drain. Also, think about it, the ships are small. There is no 'refresher'. This means you are flying many many hours with in a tiny car, can't pull off to the side of the road and there are no pit stops until you link up with a carrier anyways. Best solution? Have a TIE Advanced Mk 2 or variant Interceptors that do have hyperdrives for tactical strikes. Possibly design a short range drive to 'hyper hop' strategically. The Jedi could get away with small FTL ships because they'd just trance themselves into a coma until they get to where they are going.
Rogue One's hang glider ties and u-wings are great additions to the star wars toy shelf
I get using Tie Fighters for more novice pilots but veteran pilots needed something better, which did kind of come with the Tie Interceptor but still had a lot of the same flaws. Super experienced pilots are just valuable as the ships they're in.
Experienced Pilots deserved the Defender and Interceptor
Are you confusing flaws for mission needs? What flaws?
@@randallsanchez3161 Okay flaw might not be the right word, more like complexity/cost.
What people don't usually realise is that the TIE was made as cheap as possible because they couldn't afford better fighters.
Keep in mind they had to buy millions and millions of them to patrol with the ISD's the whole Empire.
Also it was quite old design. If Vader would have time to modernize them, Rebellion would be DEAD. Gladly for them Death Star siphoned so much resources, it give Rebellion moment of technological advantage.
I dunno if I'm alone in this, but the TIE Experimental Air Superiority Fighter and the Reaper Attack Lander are sexy AF ships. I've ALWAYS loved the Lambda class shuttles. I guess I'm an Imperial fanboy. Who knew?
I swear that I once heard that originally they were supposed to have shielding like a x-wing (which seem to in the ot barely be shielded at all) but it was 90s video games that introduced the unshielded idea vs shielded rebel craft to explain why you could waste so many tie fighters and that was the idea that stuck.
As much as I love the experimental TIEs like the Defender and the V-38 assault fighter They were too expensive to field in numbers the Empire needed. The TIE Interceptor was a good medium ground. Good enough that it could be a nightmare to any but the best Rebel pilots, affordable enough that the Empire could afford to spread them out so that it was likely that they would actually encounter Rebel Starfighters.
One ship that I wish Alan had included was the Alpha Xg-1 Star Wing which was Thrawn's first attempt to build a fighter that was comparrable with the Rebellion's fighters. It might not have been as good at dogfighting as the X-Wing, but it did have an interesting weapons load including laser cannons, ion cannons and two pods that could carry 12 proton torpedoes. The interesting thing was that it could launch all missiles at once which would be great for hit and run assaults.This would have been a good ship for the Imperial Remnant to have near the end of the civil war when the former Imperials had to behave more like rebels.
Even as Vader he still was giving input on starfighter design like he did as a Jedi.
Glad you included the V-Wing it's my favorite starfighter in the series
Loving this series. Keep up the good work shout out to Ben & Ben.
Sometimes I would compare the TIE fighter to the M4 Sherman: not complicated to manufacture and is mass produced, there are many variants of both also.
I so want to write Tie Fighter novel (based on the PC game). It would take a few changes to fit new canon, ie switch Thrawn with Faro, but it would so worth showing an anti-Tarkin doctrine group within the Empire vs the now leaderless Tarkin group. I would bring in the Tie Avenger, Starwings, Tie Hunters, and so much more.. The one thing I really had against Star Wars Rebels is they started off with ISD's when they should have started off with Victory Class, Gladiators, and other ships first. ISD's should have only appeared once construction of the Tie Factories started.
Loving this series!
since you are doing prices of ships, do you think you do a video on the prices and sources of the materials used by the ships? Love the videos!
possibly like what planets produce starfighter materials and how the empire and republic used them
The Actis was almost certainly in production BEFORE the Battle of Coruscant, since shortly after that battle, Palpatine's shuttle carrying Anakin was escorted by an Actis wing. Although, still quite plausible that the Actis was created in reaction to ARC-170 problems.
Sweet - I love this videos!
Please cover the Exosquad
love from the uk Generation tech
Well done
Can you do a vid on the unknown region factions as seen/read in the new cannon thrawn books
YO! What is that show that the clip at 8:17 is from? That looks brutal and I wanna watch it.
It's really a pity the empire was so idiotic when it came to starfighters. The TIE platform had a lot of potential to become an excellent starfighter, as shown by the Imperial Remnant in legends, or the First Order in "canon"
The Tarkin Doctrine VS Thrawn Doctrine, The Emperor favored death stars and star destroyers. Thrawn prefered cheaper cruisers with guns like quad lasers and Tie defenders. Since the larger star destroyers lacked point defenses Thrawn's doctrine is cheaper and more effective the the Tarkin Doctrine over all in my opinion. Emperor Palpatine was obsessed with power and prohibitively expensive death stars really killed the Empire in my opinion. And it amounts to the Emperor trying to swat flies with a sledge hammer not really using the right tool for the job so to speak.
What was that movie with the exploding guy? Like wtf I want to know. from 8:18?
Who else here is a X-Wing Miniature Game fan?
For those who like the dog fighting of Star Wars, you need to look into this game. It's a ton of fun and it does a great job highlighting each ships abilities and weaknesses. They almost always get each ship unique characteristics to show in the game.
Star Wars Squadrons is also fun but I think it fails to show the differences quite as well since they had to make the Tie just as good as an X-Wing which isn't really accurate. It makes sense for them from a gameplay standpoint but its not accurate. X-Wing the miniature game doesn't have these problem quite to the same scale since a fair game can be 5 X-Wings vs. 9 Ties.
When I was a kid I had a tie fighter toy and the wing's got pop off when you hit the red button on top.. and I'm generation tech
The Tie/LN was a *false economy.* The cost of having to not only replace needlessly destroyed fighters but _train up new pilots from scratch_ meant it ended up costing the Empire a lot more than a high end fighter.
Then there was the reputational cost of having the standard fighter being so fragile that it could be taken down by a bowcaster (fired by a blind man). Having a fighter that could take _a lot of punishment_ would have been a better option, as they were usually operating near their own facilities and support so that being able to limp to base or be rescued was a far more viable option than for the raiders who needed to hyperspace (with an intact hyperdrive) to get to safety.
In a pitched battle, a damaged "tanky" Tie that had shields and heavy armour could immediately withdrawal back to a hanger, and the Empire could repair it and get it back into action for far less cost than a new Tie and the whole training cycle of a pilot.
And a Tie that could take a few hits would give the pilot more confidence to go after kills - a pilot in a standard LN had to always be concerned about even glancing fire and be ready to back off as they were delicate.
It's actually a sunk cost fallacy brought upon the military mindset used to militia defense. Most officers were probably used to the economy of scale based upon a planetary budget. You can have good fast or cheap but only pick two since you cant use all the money for planetary defense from a population, infrastructure and other costs on a planetary budget needed to satisfy the citizens had to be paid as well. Once you have multiple cash sources to fund the military, and while the empire military was vast so was the source of money fueling it.
Heck the things didnt even have partial shielding which is inherently dumb since while space is vast there is so much garbage in orbit and so many micrometeoroids and just random things out there. That scene of tie fighters entering asteroid fields? they should have been dead in seconds after entering the first 1/16th layer because of micro meteors and dust going 10000 MPH against the hull.
Very well said especially if you consider how high quality the tie fighter pilots were. The imperial pilots should’ve been put in Xwing and the rebels should’ve put their inexperienced pilots into cheap tie fighters
You have to take into account that the Empire wasn't at constant all out war with anyone, besides from the conflicts we see in the movies were TIE's performed well there wasn't much else going on so casualties were still overall pretty low. If the Empire were to go up against a massive enemy force then TIE/LN fighters would probably be quickly refit with shields or replaced.
You have shown the sentinal shuttle as the lambda they are different.The sentinal is the odd one for troops while the lambda is the one we see in ROTJ
The tifighter is like that cheap toy your lil bro wants from the gas station
I loved the bid but I think maybe you could use some sort of a graph at the end for a visual representation of the cost
I love how I’m almost all of his videos he just makes up numbers and figures on things and it’s still super entertaining. The way that he talks liek he actually lives in the SW universe is also very endearing
The biggest weakness of the TIE design (aside from its lack of shields) is the fact that you can't see a fucking thing out of it. The viewport is restrictive, you have no visibility in any other direction, and the sensors are absolute trash. And yet, despite these flaws, the cockpit is absolutely massive. There's so much free space in there that you can actually cram two or three more people in. Such a waste of mass and space that could be used by superior engines or weapon capacitors.
This is especially annoying given that the cockpit is the one element that they never changed. I bet the TIE Defender would be even more dangerous if the pilot could actually see shit.
what is that scene from at 8:15 ?
I think it's from The Expanse but not completely sure.
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It is the expanse.
Do the C.I.S fighters next.
ayeee managed to catch a video on release!
Can you please continue the sepratist alliance be earth series please
Don't know why but it's just now recurring to me that the chiss may now be making us of the tie detender or a cheaper version of it the chiss claw craft from legends just create an interchangeable weapons package for chiss claw craft for mission specific goals or just make chiss claw craft with varieing weapons/capability permanently like reg ties will always just have blaster cannons unless customized
While you were talking about the lambda-class shuttle you were showing a shuttle that wasn't the lambda-class
In case you forgot, Generation Tech will remind you Thrawn got kidnapped by Lightspeed capable Space Whales.
Two of the examples of Lambda shuttles shown were the larger Sentinel-class Landing Craft. Which isn't mentioned here.
Can you do a blaster reviews like what the empire and rebellion use and a separate video about which are better
If Squadrons is a realistic Star Wars flight sim at all, I can confirm that someone with skill and a tie fighter can for sure snipe me out of nowhere mid tofu drift.
It's time for me to go out and buy a tie fighter.
How about you stop buying channels?
Thanks for posting this on my birthday alan
Happy birthday Dillon you boss
Great video.
I like how's there's a new and used price like old palps is out on the lot getting swindled into a faulty troop transport
The tie fighter is just the mustang of Star Wars, both used as crowd control.
What about the Sentinel class shuttle? You seem to have it confused with the Lambda based on the footage shown for the Lambda including them both.
Hello there friends welcome back to another episode of Generation Tech my name is Allen
Dude, you been working out? Nice
Can you do a video of the separatist lucrehulk
Not mentioned regarding standard TIE's, is it's impaired visibility from the cockpit due to the TIE's solar panels. Sure, your system computers let you know when a ship is approaching from either side, but the advantage of being able to identify it visually cannot be overstated. It was a design flaw addressed in every future iteration of the TIE series until the time of the First Order. Which is yet another reason the ST should not be canon.
You know, that whole inertial dampener thing? According to "original" star wars books, the tie fighter didn't have them. They used repulsor lift and pure thrust to fly. the smallest ship to carry inertial dampeners before the xwing was the YT-1300,
The 1998 Star Wars Encyclopedia has an "acceleration compensator" entry, which says these are used in "medium- and larger-sized spacecraft such as the Millennium Falcon."
Now rogue squadron says the x-wing has them and was the first fighter EVER to carry them but they were only 80% effective, allowing the pilots to feel the g forces so they wouldn't rip the ships apart in tight turns.
the whole inertial compensator was made to justify star ships accelerating at 1000's of g's... which was never supposed to happen.
The TIE defender is badass, but let's face it, those three interceptor wings look goofy as hell
@generationtech can you talk about Hex weapons in the saga? Hex weapons are originally from a old PS2 game called Jedi starfighter
The idea that the tie defender was competing with the death star for funding/resources is a bit silly. You could have built a few 100 million defenders with the raw material used in the death star. I could see the defender project fighting with the death star for researchers/ engineers, but materials and funding should have been a fairly trivial concern.
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Lol, $140k for a space mercedes? Sign me up.
though, it is from legends and I believe only featured in a single game, one of my favourite TIE fighters was the TIE Hunter from SW: Rogue Squadron 3 if memory serves me right.
I think the TIE defender elite is amazing
By the way the TIE Reaper is the only fighter (not including the Defender) that has both shields and hyperdrive
“The Galactic empire is known for it’s tyranny” the Galactic empire is know for bringing peace and stability to the galaxy.
So the ideal loadout for a large crew would be a gozanti class cruiser flanked by X-wings and/or TIE defenders.
Is the Imperial Gauntlet Starfighter a type of U Wing like in the Rebel Fleet? They look very similar to my non space fairing eyes!
So the defender is like the me-262. A game changer, that came too late to help.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, anyone who says a fighter does not need landing gear should be used as a ban the suppository!
Should've sticked to the V-Wings. Costs the same as the TIE Interceptor and slightly cheaper than the X-Wing too. And most importantly WAY better than the TIE Fighter
The lack of hyperdrive and life support is acceptable, but no shields is what really hurt the TIE fighters. When novice pilots get blown up for making even one tiny mistake, they are never given the opportunity to learn, meaning most of your force is always going to be fresh faced recruits with no combat experience.
Heck, even your elite ace pilots could easily get taken out my a micro-meteor. That was the whole point of shield on spaceships originally: not to stop eneny fire, but to prevent an unlucky bit of space junk from puncturing your viewport!
give us THE LEGENDS tie Variants like the Tie Hunter!
What's the footage at 2:20 from?
The bad batch.
I'll say it: The problem with the TIE fighter isn't the design, but the implementation.
A cheap craft with exceptional maneuverability and speed coupled with good enough armaments is a great concept. The shields don't seem to save any fighters I've seen in the movies etc, and hyperdrives arn't necessary for a ship made to defend its carrier.
No what killed the TIE is plotarmour, and that the imperial doctrine was to carry to few of them.
The likes of A-wings suit the Imperial II design much better, because of its very limited hangar bays, but you tell me that if someone showed up with, say, a Venator filled to the brim with TIE/LN's the rebels wouldn't start eyeing those hyperdrives right away.
The Empire's focus was on large capital ships so the fighters were cheaper and less effective.
I mean thinking about it I don't get how the Tie LN is called an space supority fighter... As it's meant to be one of many vs a few not the reverse which on Earth we typically think of when we hear Air Supority Fighter. How ever in the Empire could have called it that like the US called the F-117 a Stealth fighter when it reality it was just an inderdicter a sub set of attackers... So to make people feel better about flying them... Could also be for propganda reasons.
I am convinced the Arc170 was overdesigned on purpose so its failures would promote a doctrinal shift to smaller, more disposable fighters as the Empire preferred.
Devious Chessmaster that Sidious.
Time to buy me a tie fighter
They really cost a lot of money. How much does the Death Star cost?
Gotta give the empire a bit of credit for using solar power and being a teeny bit environmentally conscious.
More importantly do you get endless called about your warranty?
Don’t even get me started about income costumer service because I’m sure they’re all languishing in an imperial jail somewhere for defecting
What is your favorite gunship in star wars legends or. Canon
what is the clip from that's demonstrating what happens in the sudden stop without an inertial damper?
Right? That came out of nowhere
That is from the expanse. Season 5 likely. You guys never heard of it?
@@marrqi7wini54 heard of it but never saw
Hehe yeah that’s one my favorite scenes from the expanse
no tie phantom?
Let's not forget the Tie/Avenger, Tie/Raptor, Tie/Droid, Tie/Phantom, and all the other amazing Imperial Fighters from the EU. Never forget the EU...
From all of these the TIE-Phantom was probably the most noteworthy
You forgot the sentinel Shuttle