That Colon injury always breaks my heart when I see it. That night 3 things went wrong for him that never should’ve. 1: His opponent using the illegal move already stated by the doc of hitting Colon in the back of the head 2: The ref, by not disqualifying Colon’s opponent, failed his most important job which is to protect the fighters. 3: Colon’s own corner men failing to realize when to step in and take the safety of their own fighter over the win These easily avoidable things are what led to him being in the state he’s in today. It’s just sad that no one had the guts step in before it was too late
@The Silenced oh he most definitely did. They're expressly told why you don't do that, not just not to do it. Odds are his coach put him up to it, too. Some of those guys are real sick and have no respect or honour.
Possibly unpopular opinion amongst fighters, but Colon should have refused to fight him if he kept rabbit punching. Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Thrice is a dirty gameplan.
Sadly more people in the combat sport scene HAVE to understand how dangerous blow to the back of the head is. Glad you took up Prichard Colón. Thank you Doctor for an amazing video again
I cannot believe the referee allowed that many hits to the back of the head- considering it really looked intentional after so many were thrown. It makes me a bit sad to be quite honest.
@@TheRealAaronSmith But his ignorance even matter? Such moves are forbidden for a reason. Could anyone claim that "they never realized that punching someone's balls could end up badly"?
Fell off horses maybe thirteen times. Landed on my head for most of them. Obviously I wore a helmet, even cracking it in half once, but not one doctor seemed to believe I was in so much pain. They took every imaging thing you can get and they always said my vertebrae were barely moved I shouldn’t be in too much pain… five, ten, and fifteen years later I still have horrid neck pains. That’s being said I do understand what that one woman spoke of. I had horridly hurt my neck on one side. A few years later I hit the other side and the next day I felt better than I ever had in years. The human body is a weird thing.
Acts 17:30 30Although the Most High overlooked the ignorance of earlier times, He now commands all people everywhere to repent. 31For He has set a day when He will judge the world with justice by the Man He has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising Him from the dead.” ;;;;;;;;;; 2 Esdras2: 31-100 ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
Yeah there’s no shame in tapping. at the end of the day you are doing sport at an amateur level it would be pointless to risk a life changing injury just to “prove” you’re a tough guy. Too many people do it
@@conordwyer1553 I agree... Especially at 40 years old. I'm also not looking for cauliflower ears. I'm looking to develop my fitness, skill set and self defense capabilities
@@MarginalSC yeah. For sure. I found myself in a similar closed guard position like that and released when dude started standing up and I couldn't keep him on his knees
@@predatorinc9924 political correctness? Kid I mock pc culture on a daily basis. I've been banned for two years collectively on Facebook and permabanned on Twitter twice because I refuse to be censured. Bur sure, keep telling yourself that, whatever makes you feel like less of a punk for thinking being a quadriplegic is funny.
So I would love to see a medical analysis of the slam Fedor Emelianenko sustain from Kevin "The Monster" Randleman (RIP). From what I can tell its rather miraculous that not only didn't sustain any injury from it but actually won the fight soon after with a kimura.
Nice coverage on head and neck injuries from slams. I was doing jiu jitsu and got slammed on the back of my head. It was pretty rough, it's difficult to truly understand the damage of getting slammed until it happens to you.
I was a long time sport BJJ practitioner so I had never really experienced a slam being illegal and all. Fast forward to an Army combatives tournament where slamming is perfectly legal years later and was having a fairly easy go of it since most were much less experienced in grappling which was boosting my confidence into cocky douche territories (only in my head I dont outwardly trash talk) until I got placed in against a guy with very good wrestling. I got suplexed into the shadow realm in the opening seconds ending my tournament. He brought my ego down to the earth very quickly. Slams now terrify me to no end. Even now in jiujitsu where I can't be slammed I still always find some body part to latch unto to prevent a slam when I have a submission locked in or close to it that I can be slammed out of purely out of instinctual fear.
You guys need to do a few classes of Judo, there's a very easy way to stop most head injuries, learned by doing a back brake fall correctly. If you land only on your head, it's not going to help you, but if you have the ability to hit with your shoulders at least, knowing ukemi will save you. Basically, keep your chin to your chest, and slap from your forearms down your fingertips both arms at the same time at about a 45⁰ angle. This is the same breakfall which saves you from a double leg takedown.
Yeah man. I been considering stepping in the cage, but only a few amateurs or smokers. Trained for a while and kinda just want a test while I'm young enough to do it. But when you hear about injuries like that it makes you think "is that really worth it?". Also, yeah sucks being slammed in bjj because you are not expecting to be slammed so the jolt is worse. I had it where I triangled a no stripe white belt bigger then me and he bloody power bombed me.....I was pissed and went "100% comp mode, fuck being nice now". Thank god I landed on my shoulders and tucked my head because I still felt that take the wind out of me.
@@SeanWinters Tbf I do tend to drill judoka style break falls warming up, I love doing the jumping forward roll break fall, you really get use to impact that way. Tbf it's probably saved my life twice because I been biking without a helmet and fell off and I did a side break fall each time, my hand got shredded both times but I know at least once my head was heading towards the floor but that break fall made it so my head rested on my shoulder rather then whipping on the floor.
@@madmike1708 Very smart man. Ukemi has saved my life more than once, from being launched off my bike, to falling out of a tree, to falling off roofs and ladders. Not even talking about fights.
One interesting thing about the Hughes-Newton slam is that Hughes was also knocked out as his head, tucked under Newton's right arm, made direct contact with the mat.
Hughes was out due to the triangle choke not the slam.. If you rewatch it the "slam" was more matt hughes losing consciousness and falling face forward causing gravity to do the rest to newton. You also know he was out from the choke because he instantly regained consciousness the second newton lost the choke. Matt getting up and walking around the ring without stumbling just seconds later is also an indicator he was out from the triangle choke.
@@bradkimmel1 Most people think he knocked himself out. Watching it when it happened i was convinced he knocked himself out until I saw it again way later. Hughes also admitted he was choked out cold not long after. So that pretty much solidified it.
Tuck the chin, either to the left or right side a bit. Break the fall with your hand but dont block it with it. Roll as much as you can. This is stuff you learn day 1 in Judo. Notice that Judoka almost never find themselves suffering from a slam injury.
Fantastic information doc. Explanations make sense, so often UA-cam & other Internet physicians explain things at a 4th year medical students level. Your explanation and examples are appropriate for medical (such as myself) and the general public. It would be great if we could use your videos as lectures and count them as Con.Ed credits. Keep up the great work.
That was a dirty fighter (“rabbit punch boy”) who should’ve been stopped by the ref. How many times do you think he (the boxer) was told not too do that? It’s not like amateur fight night in the alley!
Excellent videos. Understanding the medical science behind combat sports adds another level of appreciation for the fighters that put themselves at risk. I've been watching Sumo wrestling for a few years and that is a whole world of injuries, there's a few highlight videos on youtube.
I had an ischemic stroke after falling back while snowboarding and getting a nasty whiplash. Docs said the whiplash created a small tear in my vertebral artery which healed up and formed a small clot, leading to a blockage that caused me to lose part of my cerebellum. Happened when I was 27. I did suffer some paralysis but overcame it with a lot of determination and physical therapy (docs said my young age also contributed to my recovery). I’m now 40 and the only residual issue I have is that the part of my nervous system that handles pain and temperature sensory does not work on the left side of my body.
@White Cloud No other issues besides the lack of certain types of sensations. It was very strange and took a long time to grow accustomed to. It's not the same as typical numbness. I can still feel the lightest touch such as a breeze tickling my hairs on my arm, but I cannot tell you if that breeze is hot or cold. I can feel a bug crawling on me but I would have no idea if it was biting/stinging me. Showers/baths were the strangest sensations at first because I can feel the water hitting me but it is the most unsatisfying sensation not being able to feel any warmth from it. I accidentally gave myself a few minor burns for the first year or so from touching/holding things that were too hot and not realizing it. Foods hot from the stove/microwave, hot water, hot metal like a car during summer, things like that. Took a long time to train myself to test things only with my "good" hand.
I love that every slam from an arm bar position could be prevented by letting go of your feet, I mean maybe even the arms and just leave your legs around the waist but that's open to a variety of different dangers on it's own. Watching slams and being slammed really makes you remember what goes up must come down. So please don't risk your brain for a submission. Use it to get one OSS.
When I wrestled in HS there was a rule that a takedown could not be attempted if the opponent is off the ground. You could not lift the person off the ground at all. Most takedowns involved leverage or dragging an opponent down. Not a bad rule.
I broke my right middle finger in HS wrestling practice when my sparring partner did an illegal lift slam doing takedown drills. I was literally a standing target. Dick. If I hadn’t gotten my hand out in time, who knows how bad my injuries would have been. Sacrificed my middle finger for my head/neck.
@@Turt3752 Ya that is really bad. This is why rules are important. A competition should be a test. If you break the rules you should be excluded from play.
Speaking from 36 years of martial arts, 21 in Japanese Jujutsu and judo, etc., as well as being a former LEO Defensive Tactics Instructor, I see this: Slamming with an arm along the side of the neck provides a significant amount of shock to the Vagus nerve. An overstimulated Vagus nerve causes unconsciousness (i.e. fainting). This is the mechanism (at least as it's been explained to me) of getting an opponent to pass out from either a strangle (colloquially called a "choke" but no breath is hindered) or from a strike to that region of the neck. Now, a "jime" or "strangle" is relatively safe, in and of its self, so long as there is NO pressure to the trachea. Sadly, this gets called a choke and even the term "choke hold" gets applied to it (one colloquial name is "blood choke"), lumping it in with the HIGHLY dangerous actual choke hold wherein an arm, baton, flashlight, etc is pressed against the throat. Unlike a genuine chokehold, however, the strangle is, as I said, relatively safe. That said, if I have a student with thyroid issues, prior neck surgeries, slipped disks, etc., I'm not letting anyone apply the technique to them. A strike to the vagus area, done properly, can produce a fainting action. This is by the same mechanism as the strangle, it just uses sudden, hard pressure and "fluid shock" rather than hard, bilateral pressure. HOWEVER, these strikes are to be delivered with the softer parts of the arm and NOT the bony structures. Hitting with the radius or ulna can cause neck injuries. It also makes the strikes less effective, so even in self-defense, one would use the underside of the forearm or the top thereof, the palm or even the back of the hand. Placing an arm on the neck and slamming full body weight down on an opponent is just begging to cripple them for life. In real-world self-defense (the stuff I train in) it's also a bad idea to thrown your own self down onto asphault or concrete unless you're sure your attacker is positioned to be your airbag. ;) Then you gotta worry about his buddies kicking you in the face before you can get up. In competition, they shouldn't be allowed. Sorry for the way too long comment, Dr., I just wanted to toss out what I've learned from my side of things and I welcome any correction. Thanks againt for yet another awesome video!
That's a judo instructor, or at least a practitioner, certainly you also know about backwards ukemi? Most of the throws, like the first example, can be survived with a proper falling technique (unless uke falls straight on his head). What do you think about encouraging more MMA fighters to learn ukemi?
Oh, certainly! Ushiro, Yoko, and Mai Ukemi plus rolls, yes, they should be part of their training and probably are. Especially so for those with BJJ/Judo/Jujutsu backgrounds. But in most of the examples shown above, the opponent is controlling the other's fall, causing them to land head first and such. That's something we were covering in class just the other night: Throwing an attacker and landing them on their head on the sidewalk and such. Now, they could make rules against some of this but enforcing it could get challenging.
I'm surprised that leaving your feet to slam someone is legal in the UFC. Some of those slams could have killed if it went an inch or two in another direction. We were trained to kill by jumping backwards while holding a rear naked choke to form a brief triangle before pulling their head off.I imagine that it doesn't take that much violence to separate the vertebrae if you lose control of your fall in the ring and turn their neck into a fulcrum. Especially if you have big arms that don't allow the head to wobble. I had a lot of trouble with practicing chokes because I have short arms with large biceps. When I lock it in, you can't slip a pop can in the triangle without touching all 3 sides. I never locked anyone up because I was afraid of doing serious damage.
A lot of these fights include hits that were absolutely not intended to hit the back of the head/cervical spine. I won't go so far as to say that the person on the receiving end was responsible, but most of these hits occur when the receiver is attempting to dodge a strike to the side of the head. The motion of their dodge can result in a strike landing at the back of the head. When that happens, it's unintentional because the person swinging has their sights set on the jaw, temple, or eat but can't move their hand out of the way quickly enough. I'm saying this as someone who participated in boxing lessons but hasn't had any organized fights, only street fights. And in a street fight (at least when someone is attacking you and you try to defend yourself), there aren't any rules about where/how to strike. Plus, the ground is usually paved (concrete or asphalt) and even a simple fall can result in grievous injury or death.
Many fighters shouldn't be looked up, many of them are straight up monsters. I don't know how you can respect anyone who proudly says that they tried to hurt someone badly, when it can result in their neck breaking or worse. We should remember that these are just sports, of course accidents happen, especially in martial arts, but some of these guys need to get locked up. Terrel Williams literally hit Prichard under the belt and on the back of the head so many times you can't claim it was an accident, the judge/ ringside doc should be held accountable aswell..
While it's pure speculation, based on nothing, I wouldn't be too surprised if Terrel, the judge and doc could have been paid off or something. I assume there's quite a lot of money moving through an industry like that.
It didn't end in a finish, but Randleman dropping Fedor on his head is just a crazy slam. What's even crazier is Fedor reverses position and ends up finishing Randleman with a submission after the slam. Just a crazy series of events in an MMA fight. One of the reasons Fedor had an aura of invincibility at the time, it really was one of the greatest MMA runs ever and I still find it hard to say Fedor isn't the GOAT dude was unstoppable in his prime.
All I can think while watching this is the importance of building neck strength if you are a fighter. Not only will it prevent spinal injuries, but it also reduces whiplash and can help with CTE and concussions. Do those front and back bridges daily!
Honestly things like that make me appreciate that many martial arts are focused on preventing excessive injury. It looks like they are killig each other.
What a great video! As a huge sports nerd, I always enjoy these kinds of videos, but this was just fantastic. Funny, informative, entertaining, and yet serious when the topic calls for it. Really looking forward to your future content, and wishing you the best!
Great video as always! I’d only like to say that in the Rampage Jackson vid, what saved his slamee was breaking the fall with his arm before impacting with the torso and head… which makes me wanna ask you if you could do a similar video on the bio mechanics of judo throws! Thanks Doc!
That last slam looks like it was due to the wind being knocked out of him, but in him tensing his neck would also cause the concussion. These slams are really gnarly I have now re-thought my ideas of training in mma. Thank you for another brilliant video.
I would highly recommend those second thoughts. Almost 10 years out of the rings and dojos, and my brain is still putting itself back together. I just realized the other day when my wife asked me to spell check something for her that I'm able to spell out loud in a relatively smooth fashion. I couldn't tell you how long I've been struggling with assorted speech issues from countless fights in and out of the ring. Great exercise, but can also be incredibly damaging, particularly if your opponent isn't a man or woman of honour and is trying to actually hurt you, or not trying not to, if that makes any sense.
The dude who said he'd take a broken arm over a broken neck needs to be removed from the sport entirely. He knew full well what the consequences could have been and joked about it. I know you're trying to HURT your opponent, but he showed that he was willing to INJURE them (or worse) which is criminal negligence at best
The first slam is so easy to prevent, not by the thrower, but by the faller. Keeping chin to chest and slapping with both arms and palms at the point if impact, as practiced in judo(called ukemi). I wish more fighters knew this before banning the throw.
Oh man, the amount of pain that I felt just watching this and remembering my own experiences in and out of the ring... If you're going to fight folks, keep it to the ring, dojo, etc.
Damn this is tooooooooo savage! I was completely unaware of all of those consequences and it's freaking TERRIFYING!!! Thank you for this amazingly informative video.
I fell from a 30 foot ladder standing on the second rung from the top, I tried to control the fall and landed like Superman. My left eye made contact with my right knee. My left knee was driven into the dirt. I was knocked out for 8 minutes. The reason I know this is that it was the response time of the volunteer EMS. My left orbital was crushed and my sinus cavities were also destroyed. I tore the ACL, and MCL in both knees. I did go back to work a few months later. But the head injury has caused me some short term memory loss. There are days I can't remember what I did the day before without thinking about where I was at.
why in the world would you stand on the second rung from the top on a 30 foot ladder. did u not feel any type of way not being able to hold on to a rung at chest level
Prichard Colon actually has an Instagram and he has since recovered enough to walk with assistance as well as regain awareness. He seems to be happy despite what has happened. I'm glad he's recovering and improving.
Damn I wish I would have had encountered You Doc during my martial arts/military career, might've not ended barely functional cripple with multiple join instability n' shit. Been following ya from day one and You just keep getting better 🔥
I was watching another channel (teach me grappling) where the instructor stated that most of the time one can avoid getting slammed: if you have someone in full guard and they start picking you up you should let go with your legs and get your feet underneath you. But, people panic and hold on for dear life thus setting themselves up for a gravity assisted impact. However, I don't know if this would have helped Rampage Jackson's opponent since it happened so fast
It would. All Arona would need to do is unlock his feet and let go of the triangle choke. Rampage is awesome, but he can't slam you if the only point of contact is one arm.
So I trained/still train in mma for a while (bjj and muay thai mostly) and I been wanting to do a few amateurs, but I am 31 and don't want to really do it as a career. But this video has made me rethink slightly. Because we don't hear what happens to these guys after their fights as much and hearing people probably getting broken necks, just makes me think "That's not worth doing it for free".
Love this video! Can you do one about what happens when fighters keep wailing away at a completely unconscious person or one who isn’t protecting himself?
The Rose/Andrade one always sketched me most. People who don't understand grappling don't know how/when it went wrong and will still try for that Kimura as a form of Takedown defense.
The Zinoviev one was one of the first really notable bad injuries within the UFC. Was a shame he was never able to compete again, and I gotta imagine Frank didn't feel good about ending his career.
Hi Doc! Love your videos and your fully explanation in each case. As you clearly say in fhe videos, slams could case several injuries into the body, but I'd would like you explanation, in further videos related, on the Fedor Emelanienko's slam. He received a terrible slam in a bad position from his opponent, but still he would be able to keep fighting, never lost his conscious for a sec. I mean, he was a really lucky or something else happened.. Thanks!
As a Puerto Rican the Colon incident still pisses me off to this day! Dude was a natural in the ring and had a great career ahead and they took it from him
I just knew that had the slam not occurred, Igor would have taken Frank Shamrock out!! The previous match he was in, Igor had taken 300-0-0 Mario Sperry out. He was the REAL Bad boy of Brazilian Ju Jitsu. Igor choked him out. He was an AWESOME Combat Sambo Technician.
Honestly it's sickening that these MMA organizations don't ban slams like that, considering how much they pride themselves on drawing from jiu jitsu specifically, where it is an illegal move and is regarded as a foolish, brutish, immature and untrained move.
The scary part about that boxing match that ended with the quadriplegic fighter is the referee saw many of those punches and had the fighters corner calling them out and he refused to protect the fighter, to quote big John McCarthy your main job is to protect the fighters
My favorite slam is Sabin using his Suplex Blitz on the Phantom Train in Final Fantasy III. He just picks the whole damn train up and drops it on its steam stack. That's a BAMF! And it's just a game so nobody really gets hurt.
This is why fighters nowadays always hook the leg when doing triangles. You can also switch to a omoplata in the air that’s what I like to do if somone tries to stand up.
15:35 The exact place that old-school pro-wrestlers take a chair shot. In the days when the wrestlers took care of each other, instead of seeing who is willing to mutilate his own body and health for applause.
This is why we must be careful with combat sports. I studied Karate, Wrestling, Kung Fu, Aikido, and weapons. I am not anti-combat sports but for peoples health I feel you need common sense rules. Combat sports are not a street fight.
On your last case, it's possible that he had enough tension in his body to stop his head at the same time as the rest of the body coming subjecting the brain to the same forces as if it had hit the mat. Also, he could have taken a lot of compression to the torso from his opponent's body, knocking him out in the manner of a liver shot
Would enough force to the sternum cause a similar effect as a liver shot? Maybe being so close to the heart causes an emergency response. I would imagine you could use bullet proof vest data to get a ball park of the trauma.
I have a C4-T1 and an L3-S1 Fusion, decompression, 4 rods, 14 screws. fake discs, a bruised spinal cord 9 herniated disc. degenerative disc., . a narrow spinal canal. watching these make me ache. i cant imagine the CTE damage..
That Colon injury always breaks my heart when I see it. That night 3 things went wrong for him that never should’ve.
1: His opponent using the illegal move already stated by the doc of hitting Colon in the back of the head
2: The ref, by not disqualifying Colon’s opponent, failed his most important job which is to protect the fighters.
3: Colon’s own corner men failing to realize when to step in and take the safety of their own fighter over the win
These easily avoidable things are what led to him being in the state he’s in today. It’s just sad that no one had the guts step in before it was too late
And the ref is not only incompetent, but also responsible for Colon's condition.
Opponent should've been warned the first time and disqualified the second.
@The Silenced oh he most definitely did. They're expressly told why you don't do that, not just not to do it.
Odds are his coach put him up to it, too. Some of those guys are real sick and have no respect or honour.
The ref should be held 100% accountable. He knew exactly how dangerous those hits were. Absolute disgrace.
Possibly unpopular opinion amongst fighters, but Colon should have refused to fight him if he kept rabbit punching. Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Thrice is a dirty gameplan.
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Sadly more people in the combat sport scene HAVE to understand how dangerous blow to the back of the head is. Glad you took up Prichard Colón. Thank you Doctor for an amazing video again
I cannot believe the referee allowed that many hits to the back of the head- considering it really looked intentional after so many were thrown. It makes me a bit sad to be quite honest.
They were almost guaranteed to be intentional, whether or not he knew the damage he would end up causing.. I can't say.
Two people should've ended their boxy career that night.
@@TheRealAaronSmith But his ignorance even matter? Such moves are forbidden for a reason. Could anyone claim that "they never realized that punching someone's balls could end up badly"?
I love how you keep poking fun at the chiros!
Fell off horses maybe thirteen times. Landed on my head for most of them. Obviously I wore a helmet, even cracking it in half once, but not one doctor seemed to believe I was in so much pain. They took every imaging thing you can get and they always said my vertebrae were barely moved I shouldn’t be in too much pain… five, ten, and fifteen years later I still have horrid neck pains.
That’s being said I do understand what that one woman spoke of. I had horridly hurt my neck on one side. A few years later I hit the other side and the next day I felt better than I ever had in years. The human body is a weird thing.
You cracked your helmet in half wtf that's terrifying. How come your horses knocked you off?
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30Although the Most High overlooked the ignorance of earlier times, He now commands all people everywhere to repent. 31For He has set a day when He will judge the world with justice by the Man He has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising Him from the dead.”
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Have experienced the same but don't count on the longevity of relief. Go to a physician you trust and see what change.
I've been doing BJJ for the last 6 weeks and I'm careful to not allow myself to get wrecked. I have nothing to prove and am not scared to tap.
Yeah there’s no shame in tapping. at the end of the day you are doing sport at an amateur level it would be pointless to risk a life changing injury just to “prove” you’re a tough guy. Too many people do it
@@conordwyer1553 I agree... Especially at 40 years old. I'm also not looking for cauliflower ears. I'm looking to develop my fitness, skill set and self defense capabilities
Don't let anyone stack you. Protect your neck from chokes, cranks and slams.
You don't get slammed if you release the hold.
@@MarginalSC yeah. For sure. I found myself in a similar closed guard position like that and released when dude started standing up and I couldn't keep him on his knees
I've been loving your videos. I'm a C-5 quadraplegic and I find it very interesting how you break things down.
Are we allowed to laugh at that?
@@predatorinc9924 no.
How did you become injured? I must be weak minded because this was hard to watch!
@@shawnpallaya so you get to decide what puns are funny now? Enjoy your fantasy world of censorship and political correctness.
@@predatorinc9924 political correctness? Kid I mock pc culture on a daily basis. I've been banned for two years collectively on Facebook and permabanned on Twitter twice because I refuse to be censured. Bur sure, keep telling yourself that, whatever makes you feel like less of a punk for thinking being a quadriplegic is funny.
So I would love to see a medical analysis of the slam Fedor Emelianenko sustain from Kevin "The Monster" Randleman (RIP). From what I can tell its rather miraculous that not only didn't sustain any injury from it but actually won the fight soon after with a kimura.
I jumped through this whole video hoping for it
It's right up there with Noguiera/Sapp with, "How are you alive and still won?"
Not MMA/UFC, but Mick Foley being thrown off the cage by Undertaker is one I'd like to see an analysis of
Ikr, I’m surprised it’s not here. Fedor’s got an adamantium neck I suppose
Won due to extreme russian toughness.. I don't think any other fighter would survive that hard suplex via winning the fight.
Our boy Prichard! 🇵🇷 To any curious he has been steadily recovering from that fight and is an absolute hero here in Puerto Rico.
Nice coverage on head and neck injuries from slams. I was doing jiu jitsu and got slammed on the back of my head. It was pretty rough, it's difficult to truly understand the damage of getting slammed until it happens to you.
I was a long time sport BJJ practitioner so I had never really experienced a slam being illegal and all. Fast forward to an Army combatives tournament where slamming is perfectly legal years later and was having a fairly easy go of it since most were much less experienced in grappling which was boosting my confidence into cocky douche territories (only in my head I dont outwardly trash talk) until I got placed in against a guy with very good wrestling. I got suplexed into the shadow realm in the opening seconds ending my tournament. He brought my ego down to the earth very quickly. Slams now terrify me to no end. Even now in jiujitsu where I can't be slammed I still always find some body part to latch unto to prevent a slam when I have a submission locked in or close to it that I can be slammed out of purely out of instinctual fear.
You guys need to do a few classes of Judo, there's a very easy way to stop most head injuries, learned by doing a back brake fall correctly. If you land only on your head, it's not going to help you, but if you have the ability to hit with your shoulders at least, knowing ukemi will save you.
Basically, keep your chin to your chest, and slap from your forearms down your fingertips both arms at the same time at about a 45⁰ angle. This is the same breakfall which saves you from a double leg takedown.
Yeah man. I been considering stepping in the cage, but only a few amateurs or smokers. Trained for a while and kinda just want a test while I'm young enough to do it.
But when you hear about injuries like that it makes you think "is that really worth it?".
Also, yeah sucks being slammed in bjj because you are not expecting to be slammed so the jolt is worse. I had it where I triangled a no stripe white belt bigger then me and he bloody power bombed me.....I was pissed and went "100% comp mode, fuck being nice now". Thank god I landed on my shoulders and tucked my head because I still felt that take the wind out of me.
@@SeanWinters Tbf I do tend to drill judoka style break falls warming up, I love doing the jumping forward roll break fall, you really get use to impact that way.
Tbf it's probably saved my life twice because I been biking without a helmet and fell off and I did a side break fall each time, my hand got shredded both times but I know at least once my head was heading towards the floor but that break fall made it so my head rested on my shoulder rather then whipping on the floor.
@@madmike1708 Very smart man. Ukemi has saved my life more than once, from being launched off my bike, to falling out of a tree, to falling off roofs and ladders. Not even talking about fights.
One interesting thing about the Hughes-Newton slam is that Hughes was also knocked out as his head, tucked under Newton's right arm, made direct contact with the mat.
Hughes was out due to the triangle choke not the slam.. If you rewatch it the "slam" was more matt hughes losing consciousness and falling face forward causing gravity to do the rest to newton. You also know he was out from the choke because he instantly regained consciousness the second newton lost the choke. Matt getting up and walking around the ring without stumbling just seconds later is also an indicator he was out from the triangle choke.
@@MrJameslupien Interesting! I guess I conflated the Hughes-Newton slam with Matt Lindland's self-knockout via failed suplex.
@@bradkimmel1 Most people think he knocked himself out. Watching it when it happened i was convinced he knocked himself out until I saw it again way later. Hughes also admitted he was choked out cold not long after. So that pretty much solidified it.
Newton choked him out, hughes fell, not slammed newton, shoulda been a double ko
Tuck the chin, either to the left or right side a bit. Break the fall with your hand but dont block it with it. Roll as much as you can.
This is stuff you learn day 1 in Judo. Notice that Judoka almost never find themselves suffering from a slam injury.
Appreciate the information
Fantastic information doc. Explanations make sense, so often UA-cam & other Internet physicians explain things at a 4th year medical students level. Your explanation and examples are appropriate for medical (such as myself) and the general public. It would be great if we could use your videos as lectures and count them as Con.Ed credits. Keep up the great work.
That was a dirty fighter (“rabbit punch boy”) who should’ve been stopped by the ref. How many times do you think he (the boxer) was told not too do that? It’s not like amateur fight night in the alley!
Imho there should be a criminal case against him!
hes black so the ref would be called racist if he stopped him.
rabbit punch boy was a loose cannon, completely braindead and should not have been allowed in the ring in the first place.
@@hydroxide5507 Nice bait
@@hydroxide5507 wasn’t the ref black too? Stop trolling.
Excellent videos. Understanding the medical science behind combat sports adds another level of appreciation for the fighters that put themselves at risk. I've been watching Sumo wrestling for a few years and that is a whole world of injuries, there's a few highlight videos on youtube.
I will check them out!
Goes to show, if you're submission can't keep your opponent on the ground, let go and reset. Don't hand them a slam
for real lol
I had an ischemic stroke after falling back while snowboarding and getting a nasty whiplash. Docs said the whiplash created a small tear in my vertebral artery which healed up and formed a small clot, leading to a blockage that caused me to lose part of my cerebellum.
Happened when I was 27. I did suffer some paralysis but overcame it with a lot of determination and physical therapy (docs said my young age also contributed to my recovery). I’m now 40 and the only residual issue I have is that the part of my nervous system that handles pain and temperature sensory does not work on the left side of my body.
@White Cloud No other issues besides the lack of certain types of sensations. It was very strange and took a long time to grow accustomed to. It's not the same as typical numbness. I can still feel the lightest touch such as a breeze tickling my hairs on my arm, but I cannot tell you if that breeze is hot or cold. I can feel a bug crawling on me but I would have no idea if it was biting/stinging me. Showers/baths were the strangest sensations at first because I can feel the water hitting me but it is the most unsatisfying sensation not being able to feel any warmth from it.
I accidentally gave myself a few minor burns for the first year or so from touching/holding things that were too hot and not realizing it. Foods hot from the stove/microwave, hot water, hot metal like a car during summer, things like that. Took a long time to train myself to test things only with my "good" hand.
Revised a lot of Ortho and Neuro, the MMA way. Thanks, Sir.
I love that every slam from an arm bar position could be prevented by letting go of your feet, I mean maybe even the arms and just leave your legs around the waist but that's open to a variety of different dangers on it's own. Watching slams and being slammed really makes you remember what goes up must come down. So please don't risk your brain for a submission. Use it to get one OSS.
When I wrestled in HS there was a rule that a takedown could not be attempted if the opponent is off the ground. You could not lift the person off the ground at all. Most takedowns involved leverage or dragging an opponent down. Not a bad rule.
I broke my right middle finger in HS wrestling practice when my sparring partner did an illegal lift slam doing takedown drills. I was literally a standing target. Dick. If I hadn’t gotten my hand out in time, who knows how bad my injuries would have been. Sacrificed my middle finger for my head/neck.
@@Turt3752 Ya that is really bad. This is why rules are important. A competition should be a test. If you break the rules you should be excluded from play.
@@Turt3752 Did he get kicked off the team?
Speaking from 36 years of martial arts, 21 in Japanese Jujutsu and judo, etc., as well as being a former LEO Defensive Tactics Instructor, I see this: Slamming with an arm along the side of the neck provides a significant amount of shock to the Vagus nerve. An overstimulated Vagus nerve causes unconsciousness (i.e. fainting). This is the mechanism (at least as it's been explained to me) of getting an opponent to pass out from either a strangle (colloquially called a "choke" but no breath is hindered) or from a strike to that region of the neck.
Now, a "jime" or "strangle" is relatively safe, in and of its self, so long as there is NO pressure to the trachea. Sadly, this gets called a choke and even the term "choke hold" gets applied to it (one colloquial name is "blood choke"), lumping it in with the HIGHLY dangerous actual choke hold wherein an arm, baton, flashlight, etc is pressed against the throat. Unlike a genuine chokehold, however, the strangle is, as I said, relatively safe. That said, if I have a student with thyroid issues, prior neck surgeries, slipped disks, etc., I'm not letting anyone apply the technique to them.
A strike to the vagus area, done properly, can produce a fainting action. This is by the same mechanism as the strangle, it just uses sudden, hard pressure and "fluid shock" rather than hard, bilateral pressure. HOWEVER, these strikes are to be delivered with the softer parts of the arm and NOT the bony structures. Hitting with the radius or ulna can cause neck injuries. It also makes the strikes less effective, so even in self-defense, one would use the underside of the forearm or the top thereof, the palm or even the back of the hand. Placing an arm on the neck and slamming full body weight down on an opponent is just begging to cripple them for life. In real-world self-defense (the stuff I train in) it's also a bad idea to thrown your own self down onto asphault or concrete unless you're sure your attacker is positioned to be your airbag. ;) Then you gotta worry about his buddies kicking you in the face before you can get up. In competition, they shouldn't be allowed.
Sorry for the way too long comment, Dr., I just wanted to toss out what I've learned from my side of things and I welcome any correction. Thanks againt for yet another awesome video!
Appreciate your insight! Thanks for the comment!
That's a judo instructor, or at least a practitioner, certainly you also know about backwards ukemi? Most of the throws, like the first example, can be survived with a proper falling technique (unless uke falls straight on his head). What do you think about encouraging more MMA fighters to learn ukemi?
Oh, certainly! Ushiro, Yoko, and Mai Ukemi plus rolls, yes, they should be part of their training and probably are. Especially so for those with BJJ/Judo/Jujutsu backgrounds. But in most of the examples shown above, the opponent is controlling the other's fall, causing them to land head first and such. That's something we were covering in class just the other night: Throwing an attacker and landing them on their head on the sidewalk and such.
Now, they could make rules against some of this but enforcing it could get challenging.
Scary stuff! Makes me want to just stay in the bed!
I'm surprised that leaving your feet to slam someone is legal in the UFC. Some of those slams could have killed if it went an inch or two in another direction. We were trained to kill by jumping backwards while holding a rear naked choke to form a brief triangle before pulling their head off.I imagine that it doesn't take that much violence to separate the vertebrae if you lose control of your fall in the ring and turn their neck into a fulcrum. Especially if you have big arms that don't allow the head to wobble. I had a lot of trouble with practicing chokes because I have short arms with large biceps. When I lock it in, you can't slip a pop can in the triangle without touching all 3 sides. I never locked anyone up because I was afraid of doing serious damage.
A lot of these fights include hits that were absolutely not intended to hit the back of the head/cervical spine. I won't go so far as to say that the person on the receiving end was responsible, but most of these hits occur when the receiver is attempting to dodge a strike to the side of the head. The motion of their dodge can result in a strike landing at the back of the head. When that happens, it's unintentional because the person swinging has their sights set on the jaw, temple, or eat but can't move their hand out of the way quickly enough. I'm saying this as someone who participated in boxing lessons but hasn't had any organized fights, only street fights. And in a street fight (at least when someone is attacking you and you try to defend yourself), there aren't any rules about where/how to strike. Plus, the ground is usually paved (concrete or asphalt) and even a simple fall can result in grievous injury or death.
Many fighters shouldn't be looked up, many of them are straight up monsters. I don't know how you can respect anyone who proudly says that they tried to hurt someone badly, when it can result in their neck breaking or worse.
We should remember that these are just sports, of course accidents happen, especially in martial arts, but some of these guys need to get locked up. Terrel Williams literally hit Prichard under the belt and on the back of the head so many times you can't claim it was an accident, the judge/ ringside doc should be held accountable aswell..
While it's pure speculation, based on nothing, I wouldn't be too surprised if Terrel, the judge and doc could have been paid off or something.
I assume there's quite a lot of money moving through an industry like that.
Same could be said for football players when they paralized the other team
I appreciate the effort you go through with the editing. The production value is high. Thank you.
It didn't end in a finish, but Randleman dropping Fedor on his head is just a crazy slam. What's even crazier is Fedor reverses position and ends up finishing Randleman with a submission after the slam. Just a crazy series of events in an MMA fight. One of the reasons Fedor had an aura of invincibility at the time, it really was one of the greatest MMA runs ever and I still find it hard to say Fedor isn't the GOAT dude was unstoppable in his prime.
All I can think while watching this is the importance of building neck strength if you are a fighter. Not only will it prevent spinal injuries, but it also reduces whiplash and can help with CTE and concussions. Do those front and back bridges daily!
This doctor goes in!
Great dissertation and geekout.
Your videos are always a banger. I absolutely love your MMA/combat sports videos. Keep it up Champ!
Glad you like them!
Honestly things like that make me appreciate that many martial arts are focused on preventing excessive injury. It looks like they are killig each other.
What a great video! As a huge sports nerd, I always enjoy these kinds of videos, but this was just fantastic. Funny, informative, entertaining, and yet serious when the topic calls for it. Really looking forward to your future content, and wishing you the best!
This guy 100% watches and is a fan of MMA. no doubt as a fan, I know a fan ... respect
Great video as always! I’d only like to say that in the Rampage Jackson vid, what saved his slamee was breaking the fall with his arm before impacting with the torso and head… which makes me wanna ask you if you could do a similar video on the bio mechanics of judo throws!
Thanks Doc!
That colon fight is the reason why I never took combat sports serious. I always appreciate what his mom has done for him
That last slam looks like it was due to the wind being knocked out of him, but in him tensing his neck would also cause the concussion. These slams are really gnarly I have now re-thought my ideas of training in mma. Thank you for another brilliant video.
I would highly recommend those second thoughts.
Almost 10 years out of the rings and dojos, and my brain is still putting itself back together. I just realized the other day when my wife asked me to spell check something for her that I'm able to spell out loud in a relatively smooth fashion. I couldn't tell you how long I've been struggling with assorted speech issues from countless fights in and out of the ring.
Great exercise, but can also be incredibly damaging, particularly if your opponent isn't a man or woman of honour and is trying to actually hurt you, or not trying not to, if that makes any sense.
The dude who said he'd take a broken arm over a broken neck needs to be removed from the sport entirely. He knew full well what the consequences could have been and joked about it. I know you're trying to HURT your opponent, but he showed that he was willing to INJURE them (or worse) which is criminal negligence at best
Most informative AND entertaining medical channel and YT. Love your channel Dr. Raynor!
The first slam is so easy to prevent, not by the thrower, but by the faller. Keeping chin to chest and slapping with both arms and palms at the point if impact, as practiced in judo(called ukemi). I wish more fighters knew this before banning the throw.
Amazing analysis. Would love to see more of you!
Oh man, the amount of pain that I felt just watching this and remembering my own experiences in and out of the ring... If you're going to fight folks, keep it to the ring, dojo, etc.
This doctor is a national treasure.
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Damn this is tooooooooo savage!
I was completely unaware of all of those consequences and it's freaking TERRIFYING!!!
Thank you for this amazingly informative video.
i literally just dont want to play sports anymore after watching these haha.
Your ufc content is some of my favourite stuff to watch.
Thanks DB!
Love this channel!
I fell from a 30 foot ladder standing on the second rung from the top, I tried to control the fall and landed like Superman. My left eye made contact with my right knee. My left knee was driven into the dirt. I was knocked out for 8 minutes. The reason I know this is that it was the response time of the volunteer EMS. My left orbital was crushed and my sinus cavities were also destroyed. I tore the ACL, and MCL in both knees. I did go back to work a few months later. But the head injury has caused me some short term memory loss. There are days I can't remember what I did the day before without thinking about where I was at.
Glad to hear that you are on the mend.
Damn dude.
Yeah, the "superhero landing" that you see so often in movies, is a horrible way to land from almost any height.
Hope you're doing well.
@@MartinFinnerup It’s a great visual when Deadpool does it and you hear this loud ass crack of his knees giving up
why in the world would you stand on the second rung from the top on a 30 foot ladder. did u not feel any type of way not being able to hold on to a rung at chest level
Excellent video. I love that you seem to be a fan of combat sports while educating.
Yes I am!
Prichard Colon actually has an Instagram and he has since recovered enough to walk with assistance as well as regain awareness. He seems to be happy despite what has happened. I'm glad he's recovering and improving.
Itp is the goat of compiling mma clips
The hardest SLAM I've ever seen was by the MONSTER Kevin Randleman took the LAST EMPEROR Fedor straight over in a Greco Roman Throw. Vicious too!!
Imagine Bruce buffer yelling "Jessica "the chiropractor" Andrade" at the top of his lungs
As a huge fan of MMA I found this very interesting. Also I must say great job pronouncing all of these names.
I kept wanting to leave because i do not like seeing injury, but kept staying because you are unreasonable good at this.
Makes me think twice about getting into any fights.
Regarding the Rampage/Ricardo slam, Rampage also accidentally headbutt Ricardo on the chin on impact.
Damn I wish I would have had encountered You Doc during my martial arts/military career, might've not ended barely functional cripple with multiple join instability n' shit. Been following ya from day one and You just keep getting better 🔥
I'm super impressed! The man also seems to know his stuff about combat sports! And how likeable as well 👍🏻🙏
I was watching another channel (teach me grappling) where the instructor stated that most of the time one can avoid getting slammed: if you have someone in full guard and they start picking you up you should let go with your legs and get your feet underneath you. But, people panic and hold on for dear life thus setting themselves up for a gravity assisted impact. However, I don't know if this would have helped Rampage Jackson's opponent since it happened so fast
It would. All Arona would need to do is unlock his feet and let go of the triangle choke. Rampage is awesome, but he can't slam you if the only point of contact is one arm.
Great explanation, thanks Doc 👍🙏🙏🙏🙏
I loved the casual hit on quiro.
I would love to see your opinion and breakdown of the genetic modification and operations done on Darrow from Red Rising
So I trained/still train in mma for a while (bjj and muay thai mostly) and I been wanting to do a few amateurs, but I am 31 and don't want to really do it as a career.
But this video has made me rethink slightly. Because we don't hear what happens to these guys after their fights as much and hearing people probably getting broken necks, just makes me think "That's not worth doing it for free".
Love this video! Can you do one about what happens when fighters keep wailing away at a completely unconscious person or one who isn’t protecting himself?
The Rose/Andrade one always sketched me most. People who don't understand grappling don't know how/when it went wrong and will still try for that Kimura as a form of Takedown defense.
This helps a lot with MMA
Your videos are amazing. They are so comprehensible they make me so uncomfortable at the thought of how quick you can get jacked 😂
Great thumbnail doc 😂😂😂
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I'd be interested in your response to the Frye vs Takayama fight in MMA.
The Zinoviev one was one of the first really notable bad injuries within the UFC. Was a shame he was never able to compete again, and I gotta imagine Frank didn't feel good about ending his career.
19:51 I was dropped like that in high school off a Hi-C by a total douche during practice…2 days before a meet.
You should react to deathmatch wrestling, especially Kobayashi taking two kenzan to the head via chairshot at TOD 9
Any MMA referees out there should watch this video and stop the fight right there and then when it happens. Thanks doc!
You should do a similar video with ECW footage.
Learning where the occipital lobe is certainly explains some of the funky colours I've seen when I've landed on the back of my bonce.
Learning both more about my slams for wrestling and injuries that it could cause
Hi Doc! Love your videos and your fully explanation in each case. As you clearly say in fhe videos, slams could case several injuries into the body, but I'd would like you explanation, in further videos related, on the Fedor Emelanienko's slam. He received a terrible slam in a bad position from his opponent, but still he would be able to keep fighting, never lost his conscious for a sec. I mean, he was a really lucky or something else happened.. Thanks!
If you think some of these slams are rough you should do a reaction to the biggest judo throws/ injuries
great slams and a great breakdown!
That's a great thumbnail.
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As a Puerto Rican the Colon incident still pisses me off to this day! Dude was a natural in the ring and had a great career ahead and they took it from him
My neck is hurting just watching dis
Ricciardo Arona never was the same after that slam - it was truly life changing.-.-
Great information, presentation, and humor…….
I just knew that had the slam not occurred, Igor would have taken Frank Shamrock out!! The previous match he was in, Igor had taken 300-0-0 Mario Sperry out. He was the REAL Bad boy of Brazilian Ju Jitsu. Igor choked him out. He was an AWESOME Combat Sambo Technician.
Great content! Made my neck flare up watching... Whiplash!
Glad you enjoyed it!
same now i felt like putting a colalr around it jsut to protect how sensitive it was
Honestly it's sickening that these MMA organizations don't ban slams like that, considering how much they pride themselves on drawing from jiu jitsu specifically, where it is an illegal move and is regarded as a foolish, brutish, immature and untrained move.
The scary part about that boxing match that ended with the quadriplegic fighter is the referee saw many of those punches and had the fighters corner calling them out and he refused to protect the fighter, to quote big John McCarthy your main job is to protect the fighters
My favorite slam is Sabin using his Suplex Blitz on the Phantom Train in Final Fantasy III. He just picks the whole damn train up and drops it on its steam stack. That's a BAMF! And it's just a game so nobody really gets hurt.
Great video Dr. Chris!
I recommend you react to The man of the mindset himself
Eric Bugenhagen.
This is why fighters nowadays always hook the leg when doing triangles. You can also switch to a omoplata in the air that’s what I like to do if somone tries to stand up.
The video felt more violent than the most violent mma fights
Oh lord. Respect on the knowledge and your presentation
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Yo Dr Chris sure knows his vertebraes & spines. 👏
15:35 The exact place that old-school pro-wrestlers take a chair shot. In the days when the wrestlers took care of each other, instead of seeing who is willing to mutilate his own body and health for applause.
Could you put the link to your new channel in the description? Makes it easier to find
Great idea! On it.
This is why we must be careful with combat sports. I studied Karate, Wrestling, Kung Fu, Aikido, and weapons. I am not anti-combat sports but for peoples health I feel you need common sense rules. Combat sports are not a street fight.
Would be cool if you also talked about Randleman slamming Fedor
This was a fascinating video
On your last case, it's possible that he had enough tension in his body to stop his head at the same time as the rest of the body coming subjecting the brain to the same forces as if it had hit the mat.
Also, he could have taken a lot of compression to the torso from his opponent's body, knocking him out in the manner of a liver shot
Would enough force to the sternum cause a similar effect as a liver shot? Maybe being so close to the heart causes an emergency response. I would imagine you could use bullet proof vest data to get a ball park of the trauma.
I have a C4-T1 and an L3-S1 Fusion, decompression, 4 rods, 14 screws. fake discs, a bruised spinal cord 9 herniated disc. degenerative disc., . a narrow spinal canal. watching these make me ache. i cant imagine the CTE damage..