A FREE (and simple) TRICK for a BETTER SOUND!
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- Опубліковано 30 чер 2019
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when an engineer says I was playing around in my daw...AND I found a few interesting things..................... You listen!
made my day!
And you really listen when said engineer has a non-American accent!!!
I listened, but clearly I don't know enough to pick up what he's putting down.
Paying close attention to fine details now may make a huge difference 20 years down the road if you believe in your music that much. Thank you
In the Bounce to Disk settings of Pro Tools you can select an option called 'convert after bounce'. This makes sure you bounce in the session's sample rate before converting the result of this bounce to a lower sample rate.
Do you happen to know how to do this in Cubase?
Thomas Niehof Thanks!
What version of Pro Tools is that? I don't see it in 2020.5.0
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you're absolutely 100 percent right about the details. its the same with any art form, attention to detail (without losing overall perspective, of course) is the thing that really shines through with its cumulative effect.
It's also true for other engineering (physical/electrical etc), architecture etc. Details separate excellence from ordinary.
Well said!!
Love this video and your honest view.. follow you and watch every video now for the last 9 months. Keep up the good work!
My first finger-up for you, - hey man, you‘re able to describe important things, incredible : go on with this- your nervous style gives this sweet appearance of reliability :-)
"finger-up" shure sounds funny.
this is the topic where ify pondering and guessing youre alright will set you back years. youll get all invested in gear and work all day, ruining every mix by bouncing wrong. youll even stop checking the mixdowns, the repeated truama of having your vision destroyed will be too much to risk. you start rendering at -6db and hire a mastering engineer eventually, assuming you have no ears and never did.
Well, middle finger is still a finger 😂
Man I actually really appreciate your content its been helping me with production for awhile
Thank you from the bottom of my heart! This is something that has bugged me forever. I'm just a dude in his bedroom playing around but I want the best quality that all my amazing PC can put out :-)
Dude. You're one of the most informative UA-cam producers. I learn a lot watching your channel. Thanks for the information.
Never realized this before. Easily the best tip I have heard in a long time, thank you
Btw keep those very technical scientific videos that nobody gives a shit. Some of us, in minority, do care.
And those are usually the next Grammy winners ;-)
After reading one book about how Digital processing and how things are converted, it's become a primary concern . Right next to Acoustic Treatment and Ear training.
And these are often the subjects that are not covered. So yeah, much appreciated.
ZpurpZ what book
MIchael Wiggler I’m wondering too!
Very timely. I've been been thinking about moving to a higher sample rate but wanted to avoid the traps that can make it worse. This was helpful.
Very good my friend, 100% right, thank YOU!!!
I am so happy you are doing videos that take on this subject. Solving these kinds of issues have been the keys to me finding a clean sound on a DAW. You have certainly aided in my understanding. Thank you.
Absolutely great to know this-- making the change in my settings now-- thanks!
Very nice and concise demonstration. Thanks a lot.
100%... Actually you're correctly thought out on everything I've watched of your channel. This video educated me on some questions I've had, great work!
I DEFINITELY a difference!!! Thank you oh so much!
Love that technical videos, keep giving us more :P cheers from Mexico!
This is so useful. Thanks!!!
I've seen a few of your videos, this one made me subscribe. I was not even aware that rendering at the project sample rate wasn't automatic. Keep it up!
Incredibly helpful information. Thanks!
Brilliant as always! I would have had no idea that was happening if you hadn't pointed it out.
you just made my day with video..we are learning about this rn in my audio course and this rly sums why i love to put high sample rate for projects, and we render at 44.1! :D thanks!
Cool, another video :) I love your Snake oil vids but these really set a balance and show that you really know your stuff. Very informative and interesting . I use reaper so this is useful for me, thanks.
love. I love this type of explanation 😄
Hey thanks , I know this is an old video but it really helped me . I have been struggling to render a finished track and getting it to sound just the way I hear it in the mix . This works !
-cheers from Canada
Yes! Great stuff. Now I have to check how this works in Pro Tools.
Great! Thanks for this info!
Very good.
This stuff is what I like to learn about.
Great demonstration and useful. Thanks
And this is a wonderful experience of how to solve aliasing problems. Great video!
Thanks for that. Good info!
Thank you!
Thank you Mr. White!
This is great. Really useful. Thank you!
Love this guy.
Love your vids man!
Thank you! Again...thank you.
Very interesting, thanks!
Thanks a lot for this one! Greetings from Spain!
its hard to argue with a waveform... great video !
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love your channel man. keep it up :D we need people like you,
Great Video! i'll have to learn how to check and make sure i'm mixing down properly in Cubase.
Awesome content! Thanks for sharing! :)
Brilliant!
This is some great knowledge right here!
Gracias hermano muy informativo
I like all tips keep them coming, except mushroom tips.
Great video, I love the technical science side of audio and this is very useful information. Sometimes I see people post in forums about when they render a file it sounds different than when they were mixing it and I've always wondered what could be the cause of that and this could be one of the explanations in certain cases. Also what frequency analyzer are you using with all the pretty colors?
hey you might wanna check out this topic
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Nice one, things like these get overseen by many !!
Thanks for this! I'll be more careful about this in the future
Thx for the pro tip !
Wow, thanks! Bringing up the project sample rate to 192 before bounce made it sound a lot better and/but showed in the sound overuse of the soothe plugin, because im taking away harsh sounds that only appear in lower sample rate that im mixing in...
Just replicated this, blew my mind.
Exactly how did you do it? Im using cubase.. Trying to follow
Thanks a lot, greetings from Utrecht!
Hey there, actually heard about that only a handful of producers tempt to organize their projects like that.
I was never certain if I should do it either, but this video gave me a clear answer. Thank you for that.
Youre awesome mate.
Man, this was the best tip ever! So I have to condition myself to think of setting 192 kHz in the 'project settings' before rendering. While producing/mixing I would leave it at 44.1 because otherwise my RME (or let's say my CPU) can't handle this amount of processing well.
Ok people here is what I recommend as a professional studio engineer. As you record each of your tracks, add your effects, automation, etc. Then, right click the track if in Reaper and select Apply Track/Take FX As New Items. What this does is that it lowers your CPU use so that before you start the project you can pre set the project as 192 instead of 44.1 This turns your track into a .WAV. Remember though that if you do this and you want to edit your tract you can revert by turning the track to the following state called Active again. When you have done all your mixing and you want to render/bounce then just bounce your project as usual that will each be a .WAV and you'll have a great sound rendering it as 192. My favorite mastering plugin at a reasonable price recommendation would be the Abbey Roads Mastering Chain and select the preset called Balanced. Here is one instrumental where I played all the instruments and did what I recommended to you guys. P.S. the guy throughout the video is not me and you can see what my real name is. Cheers. Frank (New York City) ua-cam.com/video/D6hZtFMx12o/v-deo.html
Amazing post.
Great stuff as usual... !!!
Great video! Can you quickly explain me how to deal with this trouble in Fl Studio?
I love how you consider the human side of things and not just the technical details.
i was doing it wrong for years ! thanks man !!
It would be cool if you made a series of process checks that helps illustrate different concepts like this video, with example files and different scenarios to help drive the concepts home.
This kind of thing is what makes people record a bounce inside the DAW in real time. Sending Mix Bus to an Audio Track then press Record. Your recorded file is your bounce
Brilliant
Awesome thought provoking video. If only my CPU could keep up with realtime 32x oversampling all all plugs at once.
Is there was way to pull this trick off in Ableton?
Ableton 10 automatically renders in higher sample rate and then exports at whatever you choose. If you set it to high sample rate in project and then go to export it tells you that it will render at higher sample rate
This is the ceo of mixing.
Wow that is incredible. I had no idea that Reaper was doing that in the background. I'm going to bounce at my native resolution from now on and then do the conversion separately.
We need another in #depth Q&A with Chris on this one. (:
Yes!
@@Whiteseastudio No need. You got it right :)
@@applejinx7172 yay!!!!
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Video makes perfect sense
Thank you.
thanks helpful vid
This could save my mix
Simple? Oh my I have so much to learn
wow!!! thamk you
Obrigado!
It's like this I always say people never even finished quotes because they don't even understand too take everything with a grain of salt means if you like the taste season your food with it not just judge everything and be skeptical that's why I appreciate your videos man thank you
Kudos!
Great!! This explains the horrible sound of bounces in ProTools. Thank you!!
How does this explain that? Pro Tools applies SRC AFTER processing!
Hmm... no ones complaining about my horrible PT bounces.
"foldback distortion" refers to a kind of waveshaping, not aliasing. check out the free vst Driveshaper for an example of how foldback distortion sounds.
Cool!
Thank you for another helpful video.
Please, what colorfull spectrum analyzer is that?
You could also bounce or mix down at the session sample rate and then downsample during mastering.
Excellent video. Now show the results on a mix! show us the "sandy" texture, versus clean or minimal aliasing. That is something to behold.
you'll barely notice a difference on UA-cam, cause you can export audio in a decent quality
Did you not get the point? Try it yourself if you absolutely need to verify if it works.
Nice trick worth millions:)
any tips on this for Pro Tools? Thanks for making these videos
Really good point i had this problam with most daw that i used to compose. Okay we got fix that on digital daws.what about external hardware do they add same backword harmonix too ?
Hello! Big Fan! That happened when you bounce, how about when you print and then export the audio in a different sample rate? o when you print and then bounce without any plugin??? it would be nice if you can do a part 2 of this video showing what im saying! THX!!!
Great Video. Does this phenomenon also happen in Cubase and Studio one?
Great video bro
Only reasonable thing to do now is to make your next video a blind test with different audio samples at different sample rates to prove that it matters and actually sounds better. Perhaps you would not be able to tell which is which in some cases. Make examples for us as well. Play A/B parts bounced out at different sample rates, then play them without showing which is A and B, then we can hear for ourselves. I have had so many discussions with audio engineers that claim this and that, then we do blind tests and they make a fool out of themselves. Would make a fun video either way :)
RIchard Stylez just try tidal and go back and forth from normal and master modes. Easy to hear the difference
Yes, I agree and I was all was always taught if you can't hear it don't do it. Makes no difference to me anyway as I run on a core duo with 4gb ram, it only just copes with 48000.
@@WillJukedTheBox "Difference" doesn't mean better. 44.1 is fine, there's really no benefit to going higher
J W while i agree 44.1 is fine, there are benefits to going higher at least in the studio and they have to do with pushing aliasing artifacts out of the range of human hearing increasing the quality and authenticity of analog emulations and synth, saturation and distortion effects, also reducing latency,
HQ offline rendering is supported by some plugins, and several of the clipping plugins i use (standard clip, v-clip) offer internal oversampling to counter aliasing. Setting my interface to 192kHz uses a lot of cpu, so I’d rather stay at 44.1kHz and use oversampling where needed (in the plugins themself).
In Pro Tools, I have always bounced to disk at 24/96 stereo, then brought the resulting file into a 24/44.1 pre-mastering session, letting it down-convert upon import using the best settings. I then pre-master my final to 16/44.1 with medium dithering.
Are you serious? I really can't tell.
@@dissdad8744 Are you a troll? I can tell.
your best to keep all files at the higher recorded rate until after mastering and then convert them for specific mediums like cd via good dithering software .Your approach is wrong totally as downsampling via import is both a substandard quality and also its pointless prior to mastering where the higher quality will allow better subjective evaluation of the music for mastering.You should keep the main master at working rate and secondary masters at lower rates off the back of the finished master.
@@cornwallradiophonic6250 You are absolutely correct. Nathan's approach is so weird and unprofessional that I was wondering whether he was a troll? By the way: use Voxengo's free R8brain for SRC - it's better than most DAWs SRC algos!
@@cornwallradiophonic6250 Those are good suggestions except for the understanding of the sample rate conversion on import, which uses exactly the same set of algorithms (for the various speed vs. quality settings) as if you converted when bouncing, at least in Pro Tools, which is what I have used for years.
Thank god you didn't assume everyone knew this, no wonder I always thought my down mixes didn't sound the way within the DAW. "but" now questions arise: If I am working in a 192 khz environment, should I set plugins that oversample to that oversampling mode? Or that plugin will work as it should if I am in that 192 khz environment? No wonder I wasn't liking Reaper, if only I knew this tip sooner (I switched to Studio one pro and yes, I love it). Those back harmonics/distortion is so irresponsible from developers... sigh...
Insane. Holy shit.
Very true. Great video!
I completely agree with - I want a bounce that is exactly the same as what I hear. The only way to get that, that works for me is to use my virtual channels on UAD Apollo (and I'm guessing you can do this with other I/Os that have more advanced mixers, RME comes to mind) and record back to DAW ( I use S1). After that I use Ozon standalone to covert it to whatever format I need...
Drasko Popovic that’s interesting. May I ask how do you export from Apollo’s virtual channels? Thank you!
@@dodo.danciu Hi bud! So, the concept is simple: You need to go from your DAW to UA console's virtual channels and then go back to the DAW by making a new track that has those channels as input (and mute them during recording). Most of the DAWs will automatically assign the available inputs and outputs (if not then add them yourself) and then you only need to link either 1 and 2 or 3 and 4 Virtual channels in UA console for them to work in stereo.
I hope I was clear enough :)
I would love to replicate this with Cubase but I don't know how. You cannot change project sample rate without converting every file. Any helps will be much appreciated.