I literally follow you on every social media platform and you have become one of my favorite people to watch because of this. Because your concern is the animals health! And to touch on how they get abandoned i found their isn’t a law that protects from animal abuse either! I rescued my bearded dragon from literally the brink of death because someone didn’t want to deal with him anymore. So I appreciate what your doing and all your videos.
I got one recently but the breeder outcrossed this line for many years & mine is extremely healthy and very beautiful. It’s sad how this line started but it’s nice to see certain breeders who have corrected this line by outcrossing these lines to make them very strong and healthy
Dude, I love Beardos, just came across this video. As gorgeous as they are and regardless of cost, I know how genetics work and I had a bad feeling that their genetics would be potentially crippling or deadly. So thanks for highlighting that fact. Good luck with cleaning up the lines.
Damn dude this sucks, I was really interested in looking for one of these beardies, those are beautiful colors they look more like actual dragons than the average colored beardies. All they’d need are wings.
Just going to say yes these guys were heavily line bred, but so are the other variations on the market when they were first started out. Idk the genetic sample size that is in the US now from China, but this isn't shocking and if people were smart they would outcross those animals with deep reds or animals with dark bars then take the darkest of those to raise up and cross half siblings together (or go to a different line of dark halflings) to then breed back out to more new blood. Reptiles aren't like people their is a lot of play room genetic wise, but it does have its limits. This is why people with zeros breed het to het or visible recessive to het to help increase that gene pool. The ethics on this is knowing when to cross out and add new blood rather than going the easiest route and just breeding sibling to sibling. Already on the market I'm seeing it get saturated (as predicted) and already I'm seeing people trying to get a good price on animals that don't have those dark colors just because it's "half red monster"...that doesn't mean jack when those dark colors aren't there from a breeding standpoint especially.
Much respect man. I couldn't have said it any better. Just like the spider ball python, that's one morph that shouldn't be bred or sold. So sad when people sees dollar signs and money over powers the love for the animal. Most breeders just don't care.
They are beautiful and thank you for explaining the bloodline. 🙏 Thank you for respecting this animal so much. It’s health is more important than making money. I had a big bearded dragon for 11 years he was happy and passed away happy🙏
Thank you for sharing this info I lost my beloved bearded dragon cause something was wrong with the inside of her body and most likely had cancer that caused her pass away I’m so glad you care for these intelligent loving reptiles
That sucks. Many times when I see an absolutely gorgeous morph on a reptile, I have to take a step back and remember what it usually took to achieve that morph...usually years and yrs of inbreeding and a ton of health issues. 😕
to be fair, if your doing line breeding right you should have a wild line that you mix in ever few generations to revitalize their gene pool. You loose a bit of progress but it helps in the long run to keep their instincts strong and in good health
Interesting video thanks was going to get a red beardy from a reptile dealer here in central valley crazy thing is they advertise regular bearded dragons yellow color are given free with purchase of tank but the reds cost 600$ sad 😢
It sucks that are extorted so much. I would love a pure red monster such as Apocalypse as a pet. I already have the perfect name for one. I hate that people are taking advantage to make a buck
I adopted my beardie from Craigslist because I want to adopt an unwanted dragon rather than buy a designer one. I didn't think twice about his morph until I became friends with rescuers and learned about silf-backs, zeros, etc, that ended up so sickly that their owners dumped them. Now i worry if my beardie has any of the morphs that are prone to sickness. How can I tell what morph I have? Hes kinda a mix of greys with some orange, but no color is really strong. I just think he is a 'regular' beardie, but it would be good to know if i knew to look out for something specific healthwise.
Your beardie is looking at you like "you tell 'em dad!" Thank you for posting this, I was looking at this morph recently and thinking they were sooo beautiful, they are ofc, but thank you for informing me and others that they're inbred to hell, I now know if I ever do wanna get one of this morph, it will only be because they're a rescue.
Hello, i dont know a ton about bearded dragons but we just had one that passed from juvenile gout. We had gotten him from Petsmart. Ive been looking at 1/2 Red Monster become i love the red but if i am going to have the same type of troubles i definitely want to avoid that. Any advice?
i heard this from a breeder i had got 2 of my bearded dragon`s from and literally dove into my own research its horrific what they did to create them red monsters. but they become mosters to make a red dragon
I know this video is a year old but would a half or quarter red monster be less sickly and a safer buy? I know in your video mentions just a year or two of breeding them back into normal species. I’m asking because I’m about to buy a beardie in a few months and have seen a few half and quarter reds who still have the deep colors but am wary.
@@thesuperflydragonguy thank you for replying to this. I truly love the colors of the monsters but don’t support the bad health and in breeding but if half’s and quarters are helping move away from the negative issues I would like to support a breeder doing that line of work.
Thank you for putting the animal first! I was just about to order one of these I saw for $150!!? But now I wonder what’s wrong with it…. Gonna maybe get a zero
This makes me so happy to hear a breeder in America (I’m from Australia) trying to help the horrendous amount of inbreeding for cool colours in central bearded dragons! Genetic diversity is so important for the health of any animal! Thank you!
This honestly goes for the breeding of ANY animals. Too many unethical breeders out there looking for that price tag. A temperamentally sound and healthy animal should top any other priority.
Thank you I was going to buy a Monster Red Dragon to go with My Male Yellow Citus Blue Bar Dragon To Monster Red Female high quality. Do You Think That Would Be A Good Ideal.. Paid Alot For My Male and Can get Female for 750 .00 Let me know what you think ? AND WHAT DO YOU THINK I WOULD GET BREEDING THOSE 2 TOGETHER???
As everything else goes the price will die down just like the zeros has. Until then it's just a train and it's normal for the demand and price to be high it won't last for long though as bearded dragons are easy to breed and the more people who has them the more that can be produced/ outcrossed.
although i agree with what he’s saying… these days, i want to get my info from a reptile youtuber just as much as i wanna get my info on sea mammals from sea world.
I literally follow you on every social media platform and you have become one of my favorite people to watch because of this. Because your concern is the animals health! And to touch on how they get abandoned i found their isn’t a law that protects from animal abuse either! I rescued my bearded dragon from literally the brink of death because someone didn’t want to deal with him anymore. So I appreciate what your doing and all your videos.
I'm glad your bearded found you and you saved him. 🙏
I got one recently but the breeder outcrossed this line for many years & mine is extremely healthy and very beautiful. It’s sad how this line started but it’s nice to see certain breeders who have corrected this line by outcrossing these lines to make them very strong and healthy
Dude, I love Beardos, just came across this video. As gorgeous as they are and regardless of cost, I know how genetics work and I had a bad feeling that their genetics would be potentially crippling or deadly. So thanks for highlighting that fact. Good luck with cleaning up the lines.
Damn dude this sucks, I was really interested in looking for one of these beardies, those are beautiful colors they look more like actual dragons than the average colored beardies. All they’d need are wings.
This makes me so sad. Thanks for sharing. They are absolutely stunning health first though.
I was thinking about getting one and I’m thankful for this information.
Just going to say yes these guys were heavily line bred, but so are the other variations on the market when they were first started out. Idk the genetic sample size that is in the US now from China, but this isn't shocking and if people were smart they would outcross those animals with deep reds or animals with dark bars then take the darkest of those to raise up and cross half siblings together (or go to a different line of dark halflings) to then breed back out to more new blood. Reptiles aren't like people their is a lot of play room genetic wise, but it does have its limits. This is why people with zeros breed het to het or visible recessive to het to help increase that gene pool. The ethics on this is knowing when to cross out and add new blood rather than going the easiest route and just breeding sibling to sibling. Already on the market I'm seeing it get saturated (as predicted) and already I'm seeing people trying to get a good price on animals that don't have those dark colors just because it's "half red monster"...that doesn't mean jack when those dark colors aren't there from a breeding standpoint especially.
There are different red monster bloodlines. You can successfully breed healthy red monsters now.
So one generation gets fkd and we should continue?… tbh nobody should be breeding these outside of Australia.
Much respect man. I couldn't have said it any better. Just like the spider ball python, that's one morph that shouldn't be bred or sold. So sad when people sees dollar signs and money over powers the love for the animal. Most breeders just don't care.
3:49 Damn bro u didn’t have to flex on us that hard 😂
They are beautiful and thank you for explaining the bloodline. 🙏 Thank you for respecting this animal so much. It’s health is more important than making money. I had a big bearded dragon for 11 years he was happy and passed away happy🙏
Thank you for sharing this info I lost my beloved bearded dragon cause something was wrong with the inside of her body and most likely had cancer that caused her pass away I’m so glad you care for these intelligent loving reptiles
That sucks. Many times when I see an absolutely gorgeous morph on a reptile, I have to take a step back and remember what it usually took to achieve that morph...usually years and yrs of inbreeding and a ton of health issues. 😕
to be fair, if your doing line breeding right you should have a wild line that you mix in ever few generations to revitalize their gene pool. You loose a bit of progress but it helps in the long run to keep their instincts strong and in good health
Glad you're not breeding those kind, so much respect. I never knew that :(
he is outcropping them
Interesting video thanks was going to get a red beardy from a reptile dealer here in central valley crazy thing is they advertise regular bearded dragons yellow color are given free with purchase of tank but the reds cost 600$ sad 😢
It sucks that are extorted so much. I would love a pure red monster such as Apocalypse as a pet. I already have the perfect name for one. I hate that people are taking advantage to make a buck
I adopted my beardie from Craigslist because I want to adopt an unwanted dragon rather than buy a designer one. I didn't think twice about his morph until I became friends with rescuers and learned about silf-backs, zeros, etc, that ended up so sickly that their owners dumped them. Now i worry if my beardie has any of the morphs that are prone to sickness. How can I tell what morph I have? Hes kinda a mix of greys with some orange, but no color is really strong. I just think he is a 'regular' beardie, but it would be good to know if i knew to look out for something specific healthwise.
So should we stay away from reds altogether?? Rookie question
That is my question
No! just red monsters.
CaSandra Davila wants one 👉🙏
Your beardie is looking at you like "you tell 'em dad!" Thank you for posting this, I was looking at this morph recently and thinking they were sooo beautiful, they are ofc, but thank you for informing me and others that they're inbred to hell, I now know if I ever do wanna get one of this morph, it will only be because they're a rescue.
Hello, i dont know a ton about bearded dragons but we just had one that passed from juvenile gout. We had gotten him from Petsmart. Ive been looking at 1/2 Red Monster become i love the red but if i am going to have the same type of troubles i definitely want to avoid that. Any advice?
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Exactly same with the zeros and such, we haven't had any new genes in the US since like the early 90s so any "cool morph" is terribly line-bred.
So should I get one or is it a really bad idea
i heard this from a breeder i had got 2 of my bearded dragon`s from and literally dove into my own research its horrific what they did to create them red monsters. but they become mosters to make a red dragon
Essentially the Black Night of Bearded Dragons.
I know this video is a year old but would a half or quarter red monster be less sickly and a safer buy? I know in your video mentions just a year or two of breeding them back into normal species.
I’m asking because I’m about to buy a beardie in a few months and have seen a few half and quarter reds who still have the deep colors but am wary.
Yeah, that would be fine
@@thesuperflydragonguy thank you for replying to this. I truly love the colors of the monsters but don’t support the bad health and in breeding but if half’s and quarters are helping move away from the negative issues I would like to support a breeder doing that line of work.
Thank you for putting the animal first! I was just about to order one of these I saw for $150!!? But now I wonder what’s wrong with it…. Gonna maybe get a zero
I see the same thing going on in the weed game. Dispensaries are just like "inbreeders"..
This makes me so happy to hear a breeder in America (I’m from Australia) trying to help the horrendous amount of inbreeding for cool colours in central bearded dragons! Genetic diversity is so important for the health of any animal! Thank you!
This honestly goes for the breeding of ANY animals. Too many unethical breeders out there looking for that price tag. A temperamentally sound and healthy animal should top any other priority.
Thank you I was going to buy a Monster Red Dragon to go with My Male Yellow Citus Blue Bar Dragon To Monster Red Female high quality. Do You Think That Would Be A Good Ideal.. Paid Alot For My Male and Can get Female for 750 .00 Let me know what you think ? AND WHAT DO YOU THINK I WOULD GET BREEDING THOSE 2 TOGETHER???
Damn I did not know any of this. Thanks for letting us know. And I really like this color
Respect 🫡
Agree with every word you say
He’s actually speaking the truth
Didn’t you just have a half red monster for sale on morphmarket for just under $1000? But not a cash grab?
so we shouldn't get some of our money back? or should we just give them away for free?
@@shawnlynn3053 get “some” of your money back? Youre getting more than “some” of your money back when breeding red monsters.
As everything else goes the price will die down just like the zeros has. Until then it's just a train and it's normal for the demand and price to be high it won't last for long though as bearded dragons are easy to breed and the more people who has them the more that can be produced/ outcrossed.
I should be rescuing not buying.
Karma isn't fast enough for you i-iots
I charge for quality of health and the structure of the animal, my prices are fair and my ethics are clean.
although i agree with what he’s saying… these days, i want to get my info from a reptile youtuber just as much as i wanna get my info on sea mammals from sea world.
I’m assuming my same goes for the black ones?
I like your ethics. I would like to buy from you. Please give a link.
I was about to buy one from Canada.. from redhotdragons. Is there any way of getting one that's not an inbred
Wow really learned something new here
respect
how i get this one dragon:
You still selling them???? After all of this discussion??
I just want one for me
Fatality not breeding anymore
I am getting my female red Monster and I’m out crossing her to a male that is not related to her
You still bought one though?
To clean its blood line yes
lol
Can you not get red monsters without inbreeding?
in theory you can but it would take more time to throw fitting unrelated Animals together. when you have the Time to try this out, you can Do it
I'll still buy 1, it's just a lizard
Beautiful,darker than the average,Cheers.