HISTORY OF THE FRENCH MODEL 1777 "CHARLEVILLE" MUSKET: THE RIGHT ARM OF NAPOLEON! 🇫🇷
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- Опубліковано 6 лип 2024
- in this video we are going to discuss what I believe to be the greatest flintlock musket ever devised. This was the gun that was used by the French in the American war of independence and the Napoleonic wars as Well as the French revolution
#napoleon #history #viral
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This is the long version that has a lot of talking. There will be a much shorter shooting/review of the military heritage musket itself later on also Please bare with the lighting issues in this video. Didn't realize that our new camera lens works a little differently than our old one until the editing was done.
In the course of this video there were a few mistakes that were made, One of which was the use of the term "a n" standing for "year of revolution." The true meaning is the "year of" but this was changed during the revolution and the year of nine would actually be 1801 not 1799
Thanks
I think the video was quite well done when I watch something like this I pay more attention to the stuff I can relate to and when you start talking about the different classes of people who worked in the factorys (I along with the commen folk),tend to gather that you have done your research.its also interesting because it's so relatable I coulda been a factory worker back then or a soldier history is amazing and your doing a great job,and if someone is watching it for a lesson in studio lighting,(not sure what the correct word for that is but there is one I'm sure of it),they are watching it for an unintentional purpose so they should get better at looking up the correct lessons for light editing?
Great video as always! Short or long format, all your content is great and appreciated.
My 3 greats granddaddy brought his Charleville home from the war of 1812 and proceeded to "sporterize" it and market hunt for 50+ years with it. My cousin still has it, worn out though it is
Fantastic story and history, may it remain in your family for generations and may you and yours have a fantastic 2024 ❤️
Much needed information everyone here shares about history
Great episode ! Appreciate all the historical context . And your French pronunciation isn't too bad .
Thank you. I sure appreciate it
Thanks for the history Ethan I'll have to watch it a couple times to receive it all
Excellent, this is the kind of content I follow your channel for. I am so tired of videos that just show shooting, as if no one ever saw anyone shooting before. Not that shooting is wrong, especially if you're demonstrating authentic manuals of arms, etc., but getting real information about the firearms and how they were used is far more important.
Yeah, I guess we are a little more different than some people lol. me personally. I listen to UA-cam videos more than I watch them considering I spend a lot of time in a tractor. Hence why I like listening to channels like c&arsenal, forgotten weapons and michaco etc
Thanks for watching and the kind words as always
Ethan
Forgotten Weapons, C&Rsenal, and there's a couple of others out there that do this kind of video.
@@vicroc4I know, I watch most of them.
Just paid off my 1777 Charleville from MVTC and this vid got me beyond hyped. I have an ancestor in the revolution who probably carried the '63 Charleville, but I have another ancestor who was in the 8eme Régiment de Ligne under Napoleon and he almost definitely slogged along in Spain with this gun. Quite a bit of history fought with this mighty tool of war.
Good Moring
Good morning to you
Good history lesson and great on you for busting the FUDD LORE that always seems to surround any topic. I totally enjoyed it. Because of you ove decided to get an indian pipe bomb and try my skills out... or rather lack there of.
lol you will love our last video
When you slammed that metal plate at that distance,I'm not the best with smooth bore but I would have had problems hitting that with a modern shotgun and slugs at that range,your a good shot I don't care if it took more than one take ,very entertaining video thanks for your content
No worries, I come here for the history and talking. Happy new year to you and yours. Ian from Forgotten Weapons would love this-he loves all French guns❤❤❤️
Thanks for the understanding. Yes, I too am a bit of a French gun fanboy whenever it comes to flintlock muskets they are my favorite of the era.
@@Real11BangBang You're very welcome, keep up the great work. Long videos like this give me something to look forward to when there's nothing else on.
I much prefer the history and explaining the gun's mechanism. I find the shooting is only pertinent personally with certain firearms to explain how they function (cycling, feeding, recoil impulse, accuracy etc)
Well done, Ethan! I've always thought of Bess as the big gurl, but Ol' Char seems to have had some heavy beginnings in her bloodline, too. Either way, I'd take a Charleville (or America's iteration..) any day! 👍👍
Thanks Mr. Gunfighter 45 ACP by the way, olshar has been on vacation for about a year due to me departing her and making a military heritage gun as 100% accurate to an original as I can and she's just about done and is looking gorgeous also I just now noticed I think you have 650 + hearts on your comments from our channel. Thanks for being with us for so long. I think you've been with us longer than anybody has
@@Real11BangBang Fantastic! I'm looking forward to seeing how your efforts turn out, I know it will be great. Wow, that's alot of hearts! Time flies, and I sure do appreciate hearing this and all of the outstanding content you Gents put out! 👍👍
Hey, you're back to doing vids about front stuffers. Cool.
Yeah not going to lie. I spent the last half of this year taking a break from UA-cam all together. Aside from making a few easy videos, I haven't even hardly watched anything on UA-cam. Been doing a lot of reading and a lot of gunsmithing but hopefully that all changes with the new year
Good morning brother everyone from Syracuse NY
Glad you made this video! You’ve turned into one of my favorite YT channels, between the history, fire arms knowledge and range time it’s a good mix of content! Keep it up.
thankyou
Hello. This was great. One of your best, I think... love the history and research! My French half is proud of you... Vive le Roi!
This was a very educational video and i appreciate this sort of information. As I have gotten into black powder weapons I am learning more history than I ever did in high school. That was so long ago, a whole new set of encyclopedias could be written. Anyways, guys I have a question of an India made Brown Bess I bought. My Brown Bess stock is thicker or bigger around at the forearm grip area, than my Charleville. Is that typical of a Brown Bess stock ? ? ? I did not buy this one from Military Heritage, but another supplier.
Happy New Year's And very nice intro.
Quality content, quality content!
I'm always glad to see your posts because I know they will be interesting, informative, and historically accurate. And I will never have to tear my hair out over fuddery in your videos.
Happy New Year to you and yours!
(PS - monsieur is pronounced "mess-your". The n is silent, and most of the other letters don't sound the way they look...French is kind of like English that way...rough, through, trough, etc.)
Thanks for the heads up. I like these kind of comments that teach something so that I can implement them into my future videos. There's been several things that I have gotten wrong at people have corrected me on such as this that I tried to fix in the future and considering I'm probably going to be doing a lot of French musket history in the future, I'm going to need to know how to pronounce that word
Thanks,
Ethan
Man! I love your channel.
Happy New Year.
I appreciate that! Happy New Year to you as well
Thank you for the history lesson. Happy New Year to you and yours.
Fantastic video !
Thank you very much!
Great video, combined shooting the gun, with the mind-blowing facts behind it. Subscribed!
Thank you so much for the subscription. I have a feeling this is going to be the year of Springfield trap doors and French flintlock muskets
Thanks for your information always hearing of Bess if this is more accurate I’m getting one .on my shotgun certificate
Hi Ethan, great video, i greatly appreciate the history background on the Char.
Happy New Year and look forward to next years videos.
Thanks, you too!
Great job! Happy New Year!
Thanks! You too!
Beautiful musket.
thankyou
Happy New Year
Happy new year
The Duke of Choiseul ("Shooazerl" would be ok for an average French ;) ) made a lot to modernize France during the reign of Louis 15th - as for the "Fardier de Cugnot", the French navy which changed radicaly in 20 years, etc.
Gribauval was passionned by firearms and had good gunsmiths around him, at Charleville of course but also in Saint-Etienne, Douai etc.
E.g. the canons of Napoleon were also coming from one of the "Gribeauval systems". These showed a global thinking around the design of the gun, its users, their methods.
It showed army pupils could be teached non-instinctive things to make them professional and last ...
La victoire est a nous!
(For those that don't know, that's the name of the march at the start of the video)
And it truly is a golden oldie 🙂
Crazy FP/Sq in. Yikes. Combined with rudimentary medical services and that gets pretty grim, pretty fast.
Love the work you put into this, what a fantastic gun.
thankyou
The "match effect" happens when you cover the touch hole with powder. The powder then has to burn down below the hole to set things off. It's only really a thing if you drill the touch hole in the wrong place (too low in the pan).
That's a good point
One other thing that I noticed that you explained is that I never knew the reason why musket triggers were straight.
Great video👍
Thanks 👍
I'm not very far from Waterloo (that has the zip of 67111.)
Awesome content! Loved the history and effort that went in to this video. I would love to see one about the Kentucky long rifle!
that is not a bad idea
Amazing video, I wasn't disappointed, so much history and knowledge. I heard of the Saint-Étienne plant from Ian from Forgotten Weapons.
I'm not even going to attempt to pronounce or spell those other names, but I had no idea firearms parts compatibility and interchangeability was so early and along with the innovation of rounded parts for strength and ease of manufacturing.
The cannon powder being used in muskets actually makes logistical sense, I can see why it was attempted.
When you mentioned the powder, that reminded me of my maternal grandfather who worked for DuPont Canada, and he told me he saw a letter in the plant where the company was being thanked by the French and Americans for producing powder that poured very easily.
This video was extra special for me because I recently saw the Napoleon movie in theatres.
I've loaded 155 grains of 1F with a .626 ball in my Access Heritage 1766. It's pretty stout.
Ouch!
Yep that's my standard load and yes it is pretty spicy lol
We were still in the infancy of the transition away from volley fire and towards individual, cross fire and kill box set ups at the end of the American Civil War...
Another great informative video. I'm a Brit with several flintlock muzzle loaders mostly Indian and I like you fill the pan with powder more sure and fast ignition, but keep the good work coming many thanks
Thanks 👍
@ 3:42
Shwa-Zool, roughtly. If you speak German, the oo is really like an umlaut o.
To be clear, Stainville wasn't a different person; one of Choiseul's titles was Marquis de Stainville. His full name in French was Étienne-François de Choiseul-Beaupré-Stainville. If you're wondering: Et-yenn Frahn-Swa duh Shwa-zool bow-prey stan-veel. Roughly: French phonology doesn't map well to American English XD
So yes, "Duc de Choiseul" is perfectly correct: that was his primary title.
@ 13:55
vahl-yare. Roughly.
@ 45:01
That's the least of it: the guy who improved powder production--Antoine de Lavoisier? Beheaded.
Sorry it's in French - but here is an official guide to the Musée de l'Armée talking about the Gribauval system for guns:
ua-cam.com/video/iHpd2qmKfkk/v-deo.htmlsi=poaThU59ewLbryzo
There you can see calipers for the interchangeability of parts ;)
It's funny you show this. I had actually watched this video about right before I ordered this musket lol
Well done video! BTW, An IX means simply year 9 ;)
Yes! Thank you!
It refers to Year 9 of the French Republican calendar, which translates to the year 1801 in the Gregorian Calendar. The French Republican calendar lasted from 1793 to the end of 1805, when it was abolished by Napoleon.
@@carlericvonkleistiii2188Yes, thank you. I'm going to have to have a list of corrections in the pinned comment. This will be one of them
@@Real11BangBang It's not really a correction, as the date was AN IX. I was just elaborating on the comment mentioning year 9, in case someone didn't know about the circumstances of how the French Revolution threw out not just its arms manufacturing brainpower, but also its calendar.
@@carlericvonkleistiii2188 It has been fixed in the Pinned comment
The first U.S. produced military musket was based on it.
La prononciation de saint Etienne et vraiment bonne pour un anglophone
French were prolific gun innovators Not well known.
Absolutely. The French were not only responsible for smokeless powder but they also invented the standard flintlock musket that we all know and love today
Never heard of the guy.... 41:09.... lol
I have the 1766 Charleville (Indian made). I tried to drill the touch hole and it seems I may be running into the breech plug. Do you know if the breech plug sometimes can be "too long"?
I've never had one to long... yet
use your rammer to measure how far it is to the breech plug that should let you know
@@Real11BangBang I did and it appears to be almost 1/8" too long! That is, the ramrod stops 1/8" before getting to where the touch hole has to be drilled. Any suggestions? Have you had Military Heritage respond to you over any issues similar to this in the past?
Who makes quality replica of this muskets (website)?
The gun in this video is a military heritage india made musket
What happened to your purdy 1766?
I'm glad you asked. I set here holding her in my hand realizing that whenever I got it from military heritage, it wasn't quite a hundred percent historically accurate for a 1766. I took a picture of an original and measured all of the dimensions and basically carved the stock down to the correct dimensions. Replaced the barrel bands with rifle shop barrel bands rebuilt the lock and made it 100% historically accurate aside from the wood material which seems to be made out of beach and the location of the bayonet lug which I refuse to change due to me disliking having bayonet lugs on the bottom of the barrel where I have to grab the rammer. All in all, I think I spent $50 in parts from the rifle shop and I have a Charleville that shoots more reliably and is more historicaly accurate than even a pederisoli
she looks prettier than ever
@@Real11BangBang looking forward to seeing her
Interesting and comprehensive. So in the end, why do you prefer the 1766 to the 1777? Also what do they weigh compared to the "Brown Bess"?
I prefer the 1766 mainly due to it's to its ties to the American war of independence also my "defarbed" 1763-66 weights about 8 IBS vs the pedersoli short land pattern brown bess which weights 10 IBS
@@Real11BangBang Thank you. Was it hard to defarb your musket? Feel free to refer me to video if you made one.
Could you sand the jawbreaker part of stock away?
you could but then you wouldnt have much of a 1777
Ethan, if you were to purchase one military flintlock would the 1777 or 1816 be it?
It would have to be the 1777. Speaking from a historical standpoint, it's actually a little better designed gun considering that it was actually built for interchangeable parts, whereas the 1816 the US decided that it would be cheaper and more sensible to build muskets that they could replace easily in the field versus having to adjust the machinery every so often for the interchangeable parts
I have an original CP 1795 that I purchased via an online auction I was hoping to shoot. After thorough derusting the barrel has too much pitting and I can see part of the original forge welded seam inside and even out. It's probably not safe to shoot. For that reason only would I prefer the 1766/1795 though I doubt the barrel would be interchangeable. How much more do you like the 1777 buttstock shape/drop and comb compared to the 1766? @@Real11BangBang
I am talking about buying a MH reproduction.
You forgot to mention all the warcrimes
Huh ?
@@mountainholler290 Jason Cook is a close friend of mine. It's an inside joke
French....In the words of Arthur Morgan.. how did someone come up with them words.
I don't know how they came up with them but they even better. Question to ask is how did I manage to pronounce them somewhat accurately? Lol
@@Real11BangBang 🤣
Well some Romans, some Germans and some Celts all got very hammered and the end result were an entire nation of people who talk through their nose...
Learning French myself, its an adventure.
@@AtlatlMan 🤣
So if you had to choose, Char or this one and could only choose one, which one?
I would have to go with old char mainly for the nostalgia of it being my first Flint lock and all of the time and effort I put into defarbing it. However, if I was going to war back in the 18th century and I had a choice between the 66 and a 77, I would probably go with the 77
@@Real11BangBang thank you for answering me so quickly.
Did you have to drill the charge hole on that?
yes
@@Real11BangBang Is it an easy thing to get right? Any advice if one were to buy one like that, i.e., on drilling the hole?
check out our first overall review of military Heritage muskets we drill one on camra in that video
@@therealhawkeyeii7888 This is Ethan. I will say that yes, it is quite easy to drill one out. If you have access to a drill press and a center punch it can be done very easily. Basically all's I do is. Use my grammar to measure out where the face of the breech is. Use a center punch to mark where I want the hole at which is generally at the top of the pan and then use a small drill bit to drill the touch hole. Some people get real detailed about what size they use. As long as it's a fairly small drill bit you should be good to go
@@Real11BangBang Thanks.
I would very much enjoy a series of your debunking BP Fudd Lore, or as I call it, Boomerisms. So much garbage information out there that needs to die.
Also you get extra points for quoting Waterloo.
Its been 250 years and these guys are still desperately clinging onto the english language for dear life
move on america
spanish your true language go get your spanish lessons
We call this "perfected English" 😊
@@Real11BangBang i call it my language with a spanish accent haha