LAST CHANCE BEFORE 2024 - How to REMOVE DJI Mini 4 Pro 120 m Limit LEGALLY
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- Опубліковано 29 жов 2023
- The DJI Mini 4 Pro 120m limit is back with DJI RC-2 Firmware update 02.00.0100. This limitation to the DJI Mini 4 Pro max height caused a lot of frustration when the drone was launched, but the 120 m limit can now be removed legally. There is a general EASA Drone Rules Update on the DJI Mini series of drones as well going into 2024.
The official announcement, including the step guide, can be found on DJI View Points: viewpoints.dji.com/blog/dji-m...
EU Drone Rules:
Technical Part: EU 2019/945
eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-conte...
Operations Part: EU 2019/947
eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-conte...
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#djimini4pro #mini4pro #dronerules - Навчання та стиль
There were a few factual errors in the previous version of the video launched this morning, so I had to take it down and reupload it - sorry for the inconvenience
It’s not an inconvenience, I’m happy you corrected yourself before anyone did something wrong.
you need to do it third correction since i didn't understood nothing
thx for that update! that's great news!
Since update it wint go futher than 30meters and it wont fly higher than 30 meters here in england uk how can i sort this because it was great before the update amd after this it went crap.
Thank you Hendrik! What will be the impact of remote id on declassified drones? Will the mini 4 pro be forced to using remote id if it hets declassified before 2024?
Will the drone settings for altitude limit change if taken outside of EU? Or does this 120m limit apply globally software?
Must admit I'm still confused by this. I recently sold my M3P with a view to upgrade to the M4P (wanted Waypoints and Cruise Control). I do a lot of ultralight hiking in Europe and while it's rare I need to exceed the 120m limit, it's nice to know I can if I need to.
Appreciate I could figure this out myself, but what are the downsides of purchasing an M4P before Jan 2024 and removing the height restrictions?
Took my drone zo Asia but cennot do the procedure from here. I am still getting 500m high without any limits. Is it because of region? What will happrlen when I will return to Europe?
Can someone help me?! My drone settings allow me to set the maximum altitude at 500m, but the drone refuses to go higher than 150m, what is causing this?
does anyone know how it will be with remote identification after 1/1/2024 when the C0 label is removed. Will it be required for DJI mini 4 pro without "C0" label?
I communicated with Dji. Once they claim that the mini 4 pro will not be in the A1 category after removing the c0 label, and the second time in the chat that it will be. Do I understand correctly that if I do so before 1/1/2024 it will be in category A1?
Hi im at bit confused, i have a mini 3 pro and im in the uk i will be taking my drone to switzerland in may 2024 and i will have insurance up to 1 million and i ha e also done my a1 a3 exam and got the certificate so will it be okay to fly m3p in eu without the classification and do i really need to do the classification in January if i want to keep the 500m on it
Say I'm 14, and I know you must register the operator my dad. Do you need to do any training or anything like that if you remove the C0 label does it become C1 and if you get checked for your license or something like that would I be screwed if my dad wasn't present? Im in the czech republic if it helps
we should file case against DJI..this is not what tjey promise in Dji mini 3 pro..I Only Fly In the mountains and Lakes..Inneed to fly uo to 500 meters...Some Countries must be Excempted...
Hello.
I have a Mini 4 Pro and the A1/A3 licence. So I don't have any downside removing the limit, correct? Provided I comply with all the fly rules of course.
C0/A1 can fly over people (not crowds), C4/A3 can be operated only very far from the people.
Ok it’s EU rule from 2024. What about with flying in UK? It will also apply 120m restriction? Anyone knows ?
Could anyone help me please? The QR code link isn't working properly for me with Mini 4 Pro. The page for applying for removing height restriction appears quickly & then a different page replaces it. The new page is for applying for a new co label. Really annoying & still stuck at 120m. I am a professional that sometimes needs to apply to atc for flight over 120.
Neeed to be done before 2024
can I do this if I live in the UK? and won't be entering the EU or do I have to physically be in the EU to remove this classification?
Did loads of searching and it seems it was locked to 120m by law in the last few updates but try starting the drone indoors and setting it to 500m then take it outside it works sometimes
Great video, thanks. It seems one route for mini 3 certification is C1....I wonder if you could comment on that. As far as I can see C1 limits 120m above local ground.....not take off ground....so it removes the fly up mountain problem and the A1 A3 certificates are easy to get....and then we can fit the larger battery.....do you agree?
Hi Henrik, if i already have A1, A3 and A2 would it make any sense to get the C0 certification for my mini 3 Pro?
No
Guys, if I buy mini 3 in January 2024, will I be limited to 120m rule? Ty!
Beautiful.
Nice🎉🎉
Why you don't say option 3, dji can make drone, that will maintain 120m height above ground... why they not do that?
Hi Henrik 👋😀. Thank you so much for the reupload video.
I have not done the new update. I have a mini 2 drone. I have not flown over the 120 limit.
Thank you so very much and God bless you always. Have a great week everyone
DJI says after removing C0, you are not able to fly in open category anymore but in specific category. You said something about this in this video but are you sure it will be possible to fly in open category?
And if so, open category like mini 3, so actually C0 with flying over people etc?
You have grabbed the catch of all this. Without c0 label, you will fly in 'specific category'. So not allowed anymore to fly over people. A lot of people are wrongly assuming that removing the c0 label of a Mini4 Pro will make it a 'legacy drone', which is somehow a logical approach, but it's not how DJI is looking at things. They are going to limit all 'legacy drones' after 01/01/2024 to the 120m limit also. So any sub250 drone, without that limit will be considered and classified by DJI as a drone in the 'specific cat.' (and for what it's worth, by Easa also, as general CE ruling states that 'manufacturing classification is leading'.
@@geertstockmans check out the updated DJI statement on this: "They will have to be aware that they will not be able to fly the Mini 4 Pro higher than 120m above ground level in the Open Category as it restricts operations to 120 meters above ground level." In other words, you can continue to fly the drone in A1/A3 open category as a sub 250 legacy drone.
I live in Canada. There are no height limits for mini drones here unless you are near an airport. The rules state only that you must be flying safely and be in an area that permits drones. I can legally fly above 500m, but I am unable to remove this limit from the software. This irks me. I bought the drone, yet I am not allowed to use it legally as I see fit.
what about mavic mini after Jan 2024,still can fly 500m or will be illegal in eu ????
No still legal as legacy drone
Hi , I dont see the option in the safety category ,Im using the mini pro 4 . Please help
The new firmware did it for me
I live in the Bay Area in the United States. Can’t find that to remove it so in case I go to the UK, I won’t have to deal with that.
So basically what all these means is that having the mini 4 pro with the C0 ( you have benefits because of the C0 category) BUT you have the limit of the 120m OR you remove the C0 label, you lose all the benefits of that category but you have the height raised to 500m, which is still illegal to fly. Am I correct here? Cause al the info it's kind of confusing. Great video btw! :)
Henrik, I think you still missed the point that the 120 meter limit (at least from an operational perspective) is the distance to the nearest point on ground, which could be different to altitude above takeoff point if you are for example flying along a mountain/hill side. This is still perfectly legal, but not possible to do with a limited drone due to the technical regulations being different (and enforcing 120 meter of altitude above takeoff point).
I guess this is not much of an issue in Denmark, though. 🙂 Here in Norway, on the other hand...
This is not how I understand it, it form the takeoff/home point - nearest point is how it was
@@TECHDRONEMEDIA I just made a comment here, but it disappeared, for some reason. Did you remove it? There was a link to EASAs FAQ, proving my point. Not sure if the link somehow caused YT to remove the reply?
yes, the linit doesn't match the law as it is from the takeoff point, not the actual height of the drone above ground.
@mrek You need to study the rules some more. It's correct that as far as flying goes, we can fly to 120 m above ground BUT the specific rules for the technical implementations manufacturers have to adhere to, there's a very unique (and frankly stupid) requirements exclusively for C0 drones, that manufacturers have to implement a technical limitation that prevents the drone from flying above 120 m above take-off altitude. This is only the case from C0 drones.
@@LetoDK That's not contradicting what I said, really. The technical 120 m manufacturer requirement prevents you from flying in certain scenarios (up along a mountain, for example), even if the flying itself would have been legal.
Excellent video Hendrik, this is what many European viewers are waiting for.
So my Mini 3 Pro was released before December 31, 2023 and therefore I may also fly it in 2024 without a C0 label and I could then theoretically fly it up to 500 meters if I wanted to.
If I still want a C0 label I can download the special C0 firmware after January 1, 2024 and my drone will be limited to 120 meters.
So soon you will have Mini 3 Pros flying, in Europe, with two types of firmware.
That will be quite a job for police or enforcers to distinguish.
It’s a mess - and it will be difficult as say to regulate
Hi Ronald, you would assume so, but DJI has announced that it will limit all 'legacy drones' after 01/01/2024 to 120m limit. and more you're drone will end up in the 'specific categorie' after 01/01/2024 if you don't apply for c0 label. In this context, now giving up a c0 label on a Mini4 doesn't look a smart move in the longer term ;-)
@@geertstockmans After 1.1.2024 dont do update, problem solved
@@TrainLovers-TL69 yes. That's a fix. But possibly an 'expensive one' considering that you might miss out on all the future feature updates on the Mini4 Pro so early in it's model life. It's like purchasing an Iphone 15 now and making yourself stick to iOS17 for the whole of it's use life.
@@geertstockmans Geert, I wasn't planning to declasify my Mini 4 either because I think the C0 is fine and in the open category A1 you are allowed very much so I don't want to change anything.
I was talking about my Mini 3 Pro which I may not have wanted to update to a C0 drone but in the meantime I think a little differently. I do want to classify it to C0 after Jan. 1, 2024, and it can continue to fly in the A1 open category. I have often heard that if you don't go to C0 you will fall into the Specific Category - Civil Drones. I certainly want to see that avoided. Question for you: where did you read that you will then fall into the Specific Category - Civil Drones?
OK now i'm confused, I have a mini 3 pro, no C0 label, and let's say in January 2024 I buy a mini 4 pro, with C0 label, will I be able to use both drones in the EU under the same rules? or will be any difference between with label and without? apart for the 120m height limitation in dji software, i'm talking in terms of EASA legislation
I fully understand as the mini 3 pro is still capable of going 500m after Jan 2024
@@TECHDRONEMEDIA thanks for answering. Will it be also the case if I buy a mini 4 pro and declassify it before the end of the year? Doing so will eliminate the 120m restrictions, but will it remain like that as the mini 3 pro?
That is what I would assume - I can’t see it otherwise as you can fly a private build aircraft under 250g in A1
I would like to know how the drone behaves in case of loss of signal and return, when can I calmly climb the hill and get above 120m and the drone will not fly to me? hit a rock? there will be an obstacle between me (it doesn't even have to be 120m, maybe only 10) but it will be higher than his 120m DURING TAKEOFF! stupid RESTRICTIONS!!!
Interesting video 👍, when i spoke to a DJI assistant she told me that all of the Mini series drones will be limited to 120m, and would include us in the UK after jan 2024, done trough firmware updates.
Correct, DJI has announced that all 'legacy
@@hectichazerdus I just updated my firmware on my mini 2 today without knowing this and was still able to go over 120m.
It's 120 metres from the home point, so if in the mountains, and walking higher, just keep chasing the home point while walking.
Yes that will work
You don't even have to walk to set the home point; you can pick the home point on the map.
That doesn't change the fact that the rules state that it's from takeoff point (which is a regulatory oversigt).
@@LetoDK OK every start i click to home point on Everest :D problem solved
I thought the same but that is a one way ticket to have a flyaway :D@@TrainLovers-TL69
@@TrainLovers-TL69 RTH 😅
As always watching your Videos is a pleasure. Thanks Hendrik.
Let me ask you another question about regulations. We have a discussion going on about flying the Mini 4 pro legally at night. Although the Mini has green blinking indicator lights I think these are not enough for flying at night. First they change color due to status and they turn off when starting to record video.
Applying an external strobe lifts the weight over 250g and its not permitted according to the user manual. So you loose the operating permission. In Germany the LBA told me they will then classify it as a diy drone. After January 1 2024 this means it's only possible to fly in A3. Well the incredible night mode can't be used? What's your opinion?
I just bought a stobe light, so I would have to check, but I'm pretty sure if it turns off during video an external light source is needed.
@@TECHDRONEMEDIA Congratulations on your videos as they are an asset to us drone pilots. You could ask DJI if they can make the green lights stay on also while recording video, through firmware would be the best solution.
I've declassified my mini 4pro (gain 500m limit) but after latest update the limit of 120m have return 😞😞😞😞
Cześć, co Ty gadasz, czyli pomimo usunięcia naklejki wprowadzili limit na 120m na drony deklasyfikowane?
@@jakubsiemaszko7648 część , moja pomyłka , pojawił się limit 120 bo przywróciło go po ostatniej aktualizacji, w czasie latania w sylwestra nie zwróciłem uwagi na napis na niebiesko pod limitami ( możliwość zwiększenia limitu do 500m) . Na chwila obecną wszystko jest ok ,tzn limit jest na 500m
Hey Henrik first off thank you for the update video. As you know I'm in the US but I have been watching this closely. Trying to learn. What does it mean if you opt out of the C0 that you are in A category? Is there more restrictions. Even when buying MP4 delivered with no sticker. So the ones being purchased in US must be a different batch of drones. Like I said even as of now it doesn't affect the US, it's still good to know what is going on. As always thank you Henrik you are the best 👍
I does not affect US
Yes I understand that I just like to know what is going on because it could be something that other countries adopt kinda like the Remote ID law.
I'm in the USA go to the DJI fly safe you can unlock the geo fencing by applying for the unlock
I just updated my firmware on my mini 2 today without knowing this and was still able to go over 120m.
I have an "old" drone... a Mini 2. If I do nothing, avoid updates, then technicaly after Jan 1, 2024, I will be able to exceed 120m but of course legally not exceed 120m, just as things are today?
I just updated my firmware on my mini 2 today without knowing this and was still able to go over 120m.
I am not following....so if i buy a mini 4 in Australia or US and then travel to EU, will the drone go over 120m or not? Is it only for EU purchased drones or does the software limit any drone in EU airspace?
This is an EU regulation. So, you cannot fly above 120 meters in the EU, regardless of we're you bought the drone
@@visserdh I am not talking about the law, i am physically will it go over 120?
@@flaviusvespasian ah, excuses, yes your drone will go above 120 meters. I've a legacy drone (bought a mini 3 in June 2023) and I'm still able to fly above 120 meters. I've not updated my drone anymore because as I go to Switzerland (non EU) on vacation I don't want this 120 meter limit.
@@visserdh I have flown outside EU but close to an airport, and the drown will not physically go over 60m...so sometimes they are limited by software, but other times i think there is no limit in the software but the law does limit you. That is what i was trying to ask. My drone was bought outside EU, also why I asked.
@@flaviusvespasian Yep, that's correct.
What about us, users of Mini 3 pro is this update is OK for our drones or it will change somthing for worse. My intention is not do somthing against roles but now I'm confused. And one more thing: what will change for me and my mini 3 pro if I will not have c0 label after January 1st 2024. Can I still fly in A1 in city without any problems?
Yes
@@TECHDRONEMEDIA so what is the point to have c0 classification?
As I see it, nothing at the moment and a lot if purchased after January 1st, 2024. @@w1llyFPV
There are some important differences in the EU Regulation between 0 and 1.
Requirements for class 0:
(3) have a maximum attainable height above the take-off point limited to 120 m;
Requirements for class 1: (3) have a maximum attainable height above the take-off point limited to 120 m or be equipped with a system that limits the height above the surface or above the take-off point to 120 m or to a value selectable by the remote pilot; if the value is selectable, clear information about the height of the UA above the surface or take-off point during flight shall be provided to the remote pilot;
@@TECHDRONEMEDIA do you know what has changed to Mini 3 pro with this update?
As always a good video from your hand 👍 I wish it would be possible to obtain a C-classification for Mavic Air 2 - but it looks like wishful thinking, so a Mini 4 Pro must be purchased
What stop us from re-sticking the label after removing the 120m limit??
Nothing
So if you’re on a hill 100m above sea level and start flying from there, the drone can only go 20m up? Is that what you mean? That makes absolutely no sense. Surely Dji drone will allow you to go 120m from take off point and if that’s not the case then as I said that is rather silly and they will hopefully sort it out with another update.
It’s 120m from take off point
Nice idea. . Benefit also my drone
Mine mini 4p has Aircraft Firmware: v01.00.0200, there are 500m limit on my drone. will that be changed in the next firmware?
it was a DJI RC-2 update this morning
ok, thank you :-) @@TECHDRONEMEDIA
@@TECHDRONEMEDIA Is there anything to prevent, by not upgrading the app firmware?
Another option to remove the 120m limit would be to use the drone-tweaks app. I personally prefer doing it like this rather than *permanently* losing the C0 classification on my drone.... turning the Mini 4 into a legacy drone is a pretty weird decision, isn't that the entire purpose of the sub-250g class?...
How do you do this?
Need more info on that drone tweak app
What would be the downside to removing the C0 label and applying for the increase to 500m?
None as I see it because it's sub 250g
That you end up with a sub250gr drone without c0 label, and not being able to retro-active apply for c0. So technically, you are after 01/01/2024 in the 'specific category'.
I think you can get about 1,660 ft with the Mini3 pro. Now I wonder if there might be some hack to get even higher.
EASA has modified the text. Instead of “purchased before January 1, 2024,” it now says “placed on the market before January 1, 2024.” The C1 label can still be requested in 2024.
Yes. I successfully removed limitations on a drone MP4 bought yesterday 💪
@@lapsko good to know, do you know how it can be checked when a new drone was placed on the market? Also, is there any downside of removing the sticker, does "legacy drone" operate same as C0 one?
@@jakubsiemaszko7648 1. I think just by checking at what date was a premiere of a drone on the market, for instance dji mini 4 had its premiere at 25 September 2023.
2. After removing C0 your drone will be at category A1. I thing you must just register your drone. Of course you could just stick your C0 sticker again and just don't fly over people and buildings higher than 120m and in restricted areas but only somewhere in nature and schould be everytnig ok :)
I just got this drone in the UK and it had 500 metres out of the box, nice! I do want to explore enabling FCC mode for more stable transmission.
Dammit I shouldn’t have updated the app
👍
Nice to see you fixed the factual errors so quickly! Was about to comment on your other video but then I saw you took it down ;)
I am curious though, what if I need to use DJI Care after the 1st of January 2024? Will I get a C0 labeled drone and have the limitation of 120m? Or is it bound to the controller?
I would think yes as all of them er C0 from factory
You will get a new drone WITH the sticker.
Yes That 120m limit would be bad for me ? I live in the mountains in Eastern Tennessee USA
Using Photoshop to remove the C0 tag to remain active in the C0 category. Investigators really don't go through your drone settings to see if your drone could fly higher than that 120m. Then be aware that you should not fly higher than 120m from the ground where you are flying the drone, otherwise I still foresee problems.
I’m not in EU but plan to travel next year with my Mini 4 to the Dolomites. Seems you can’t unlock it from here so I’d have to do it over there but it will be after January 2024. 🤬
Yes, or write DJI support they might be able to help you
@@TECHDRONEMEDIA I’m guessing post Jan 2024 it won’t be permitted to unlock it. So unless DJI support can allow me to unlock from here in Australia then I’ll have issues in Italy in the mountains mid 2024. Disappointing. Stupid EU laws ruining tech these days! 😡🤣
After January 1, 2024, the drone can be certified to C1 @@pinni74
This will of course limit the sale of the next mini drone the DJI mini 5 Pro! I wonder what the full practical implications of removing the C0 label. Will there be new restrictions for unclassified drones!
you never know, but as it is right now there are no changes for sub 250g drones
"C0 drones will weigh less than 250 grams and are flown in subcategory A1. Drones that weigh less than 250 grams may still be operated in subcategory A1."
So, the C0 marking has no real value at the moment?
C0 is a class of the device, A1 is a "pilot license"/operation category. C0 can flown over people (not crowds), C1 not.
Declassification of mini 4 pro will change the class to C4, requiring A3 license and following rules of this operation subcategory.
Good news! Do you know what it means to fly a Mini (official donw-classified as C1) with eleminated the 120m limit, if we fly with the PLUS battery? I would say it’s legit because of a C1-classification under 900g.
Actually could be possible with C1
120m is just non-sens hope sales Will drop
Well, the only advantage of the new classes is for the authorities to be able the check the drones locally. So it does not make any sense for the mini3 to put it under C0 rules when you dont get a physical sticker.
you are spot on
@@TECHDRONEMEDIA ah, not really. I just pretend. Im so much confused now. Lol. And many thanks for the on point video! Cheers.
I'm pretty sure that DJI sends you the relevant sticker in the post.
Can you still do this in 2024?
No
Ah. Wutt? Lol. Looks like someone was engaging the confusion generator when creating some rules. Ah, yes. What happens if you remove the sticker, but dont tell this dji? Okay thats clear: You'll be allowed to fly over people, but only backwards on every second Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday while the main wind direction is not different from the flight vector by more than -20°, if, and only if, the last full moon scenario is exactly the sixth part of your shoe size devided by 3 in terms of days. Yeah, ok, got it. Easy. 😊
hehe :-)
To all viewers ... please be aware that you'll end up with your
This is not correct, it’ a legacy drone under 250g
waar haal je dit informatie weg Geert?
de website van de rijksoverheid meld namelijk:
Per 1 januari 2024 krijgen alle nieuwe drones die bestemd zijn voor de open categorie, een Cx-label. Dit is een Europees veiligheidskeurmerk. Het Cx-label moet duidelijk zichtbaar zijn op de drone.
Heeft uw huidige drone geen Cx-label en weegt deze 250 gram of meer, dan moet u zich houden aan de regels van de subcategorie A3. Dan moet u meer afstand houden van mensen, dieren en gebouwen.
Heeft uw huidige drone geen Cx-label en weegt uw drone minder dan 250 gram, dan verandert er niets voor u.
ik zie niks staan van een " specific categorie "
Cx label verwijder je.. maar je blijft in de Subcategorie A1. Dus geen verandering van toepassing
Just Purchased Not ( DJI ) 250 Gram Drone Fly Combo Kit (For Xmas Present) With All The Very Latest Technology In It Which Has Active Track Intelligent Flight Modes And The Rest For £ 340.00. Nice And Simple To Fly Without All This Extra Hassle At G/V/Money Price. I Have Still Got My DJI Drone Using DJI GO 4 App. Thanks.
Hello Hendrik, great video. All these rules does not make it easier for everyone. I have a DJI Mini 4 pro. But I do not understand what the consequences are if I remove the C0 label.
If you don't wanna go higher than 120m from your take off point I would keep it as is
Thank you for your answer. On holidays we go most of the time to the mountains. Your picture says it very clearly wat could be a problem. That's why I have doubts about the removal of the C0 label@@TECHDRONEMEDIA
Attention! ... with the new firmware 1.12.4 of the mini 4 pro, the change no longer works.
Can you ellaborate on this?
Hi, I'm confused about why DJI has implemented the 120 m limit based on the takeoff point. I live in Sweden, and according to the Swedish authorities, "transportstyrelsen" the 120 m rule, says that the limit is from the ground directly below the drone, not from the takeoff point. The text in Swedish says, "Tänker du flyga högre än 120 meter?
Avståndet räknas 120 meter från närmsta punkten på marken direkt under drönaren. Detta är tillståndspliktigt, avgiftsbelagt och kräver ytterligare utbildning.". Translated this means "Are you planning to fly higher than 120 meters?
The distance is calculated 120 meters from the nearest point on the ground directly under the drone. This requires a permit, is subject to a fee and requires additional training.". This text comes from an explanation about what is needed if you want to fly higher than 120 m. This means that the DJI implementation of the 120 m limit is incorrect or...?
m from Czech it is same (I think it's like that in the whole EU) 120m from GND!!!
I hope America NEVER enforces this, it would ruin drones as a hobby for me.
I hope the same for you.
Europe destroyed all my hobbies.
I can't own guns, I can't enjoy drones no more, and even my 750 watt fatbike has become illegal...
Enjoy your freedom, Europe has become ridiculous.
It ruins all kind of rc sailplanes...
Hendrik, in DJI's 'Risk Reminder' it is written under point 3 that after Jan 1, 24 and with C0 sticker removed, you may only fly the drone in the 'Specific category' and no longer in A1. Well that would be dramatic. Did I understand that correctly or am I reading something over the head? Of course, in that case you would never remove the sticker and declassify the drone!
See 4:14 of your video.
They are wrong - you can paint it orange or modify it and then it will be a DIY drone below 250g that will fly as a legacy drone from 2024
@@TECHDRONEMEDIA Thanks.
So essentially I bought a falsely advertised product? If so can someone confirm this so I can sue or at least get my money back 🙃