Could Mario Beat Sonic The Hedgehog in a Fight (Responding to Mario Fans)

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  • @Tyrecordslol
    @Tyrecordslol  10 місяців тому +262

    I’ve talked to the Biggest Mario Sweats and I’ll be doing a video showing how Mostly Every Mario is the same. No Matter if you think Super Mario Paper Jam Retconned that. (Check My Community Post For More Info)

    • @Gitz303
      @Gitz303 10 місяців тому +3

      my mans 🙏

    • @Theguywiththefries
      @Theguywiththefries 10 місяців тому +3

      Kratos solos both in a 2v1

    • @cat_beastyt3406
      @cat_beastyt3406 10 місяців тому +5

      Not to put pressure could we have a Sonic vs Goku video

    • @ollybaldwin
      @ollybaldwin 10 місяців тому

      He made a new response are you going to make another one

    • @jenniferoguzie9083
      @jenniferoguzie9083 10 місяців тому

      All I know is that if it's Manga sonic he will be able to beat almost every character in games and cartoons

  • @crimsongogeta6810
    @crimsongogeta6810 10 місяців тому +153

    Something I don’t see much (even if it’s not as impressive as other feats), is at the beginning of City Escape in SA2. When Sonic breaks the door of the helicopter before ripping off a panel and using it as a board while sliding downhill like a snowboard. The amount of strength he’d need to tear out bolted panels of metal without even grunting in effort would be an insane amount of strength given how durable military aircraft are built.

    • @KotaOS.
      @KotaOS. 10 місяців тому +17

      He is a anthropomorphic god killing animal, after all

    • @soleonshae8657
      @soleonshae8657 9 місяців тому +5

      Huh, never thought of that. Why have I never noticed before now?

    • @PlayerFoe701
      @PlayerFoe701 6 місяців тому +3

      Yeah and he DEF got stronger since then who knows what he can do with his raw strength now

    • @kermittheconqueror8554
      @kermittheconqueror8554 Місяць тому +3

      Mario still gaps him but I like how you think

    • @bluestacks6679
      @bluestacks6679 29 днів тому +3

      ​@@kermittheconqueror8554 Did you watch the video?

  • @frostbite3357
    @frostbite3357 10 місяців тому +529

    Everyone always says Mario is slow and strong while Sonic is fast but weak. My counter to that is that Sonic can break through solid metal with just his spines in almost every game (you don’t even need to homing attack). Also sonic is extremely durable, taking punches from knuckles and even Titans in his base form without needing medical care to recover.

    • @dojangofficial1050
      @dojangofficial1050 10 місяців тому +76

      That and according to game theory the attacks he does in frontiers would require absurd strength to survive and do consistently.

    • @rocketdareaperzz179
      @rocketdareaperzz179 10 місяців тому +20

      Mario survived falls from the sky, WITHOUT getting knocked out like sonic

    • @Iron-pt5ip
      @Iron-pt5ip 10 місяців тому +74

      @@rocketdareaperzz179So did sonic, in unleashed and black knight

    • @CynicTV
      @CynicTV 10 місяців тому +55

      ⁠@@rocketdareaperzz179 sonic falls from the sky for a good majority of his games cutscenes and doesn’t get knocked out, adventure 1 MULTIPLE TIMES into station square and into the mystic ruins jungle from the egg carrier, unleashed he falls from space in his werehog form, and then falls from high above the clouds in his base form at the end of the game, advanced 2 he lands on his feet while carrying vanilla, black knight he falls again.
      and he survives every time, gets up seconds after without any sign of damage every time, in games you can hurl him off giant ledges and land with absolutely no damage taken, while mario in 64, galaxy, sunshine and multiple other instances takes damage from simply falling
      he falls on his ass, sure, but he doesn’t get knocked out and gets up literal seconds afterwards without outside help

    • @NSS.YouTube
      @NSS.YouTube 10 місяців тому +5

      Iron-pt5ip and CynicTV, let’s not compare, it will just start a fight.

  • @Timthy64
    @Timthy64 10 місяців тому +141

    I think a fight between them would be pretty funny if Marios backwards long jump was a canon ability he could access it at any time, he still probably couldn’t win but it would make for a funny sequence of events

    • @paulgilbert5278
      @paulgilbert5278 10 місяців тому +2

      I think Mario could win

    • @Barkity
      @Barkity 10 місяців тому +2

      Remember the BLJ has speed gaining properties meaning mario would be able to surpass everything and still keep gaining

    • @friendlyneighborhoodnoob
      @friendlyneighborhoodnoob 10 місяців тому +1

      That would be incredible

    • @ollybaldwin
      @ollybaldwin 10 місяців тому +2

      ​@@Barkityyeah but he'd have a long way to catch up plus Sonic's speed canonically increases by the second

    • @Lampproductions8943
      @Lampproductions8943 8 місяців тому +1

      @@ollybaldwinWith the backwards long jump, MARIO’S SPEED INCREASES BY THE FRAME.

  • @electricion712
    @electricion712 10 місяців тому +250

    It doesn’t make sense for him to bring up Paper Mario because he’s a separate character from regular mainline Mario.

    • @shinyxz9
      @shinyxz9 10 місяців тому +30

      Technically speaking, Paper Mario is Mario, as Miyamoto has stated that Mario has no canon and that all Mario's are the same Mario. The Paper Mario that appeared in Paper Jam is a separate Mario tho

    • @KalikoAF
      @KalikoAF 10 місяців тому +69

      ​@@shinyxz9So, not all Mario's are the same Mario? Bro, you just ruined your whole argument ☠

    • @NRPG64
      @NRPG64 10 місяців тому +22

      The Paper Mario from Paper Jam is a parallel character. Paper Jam isn't reliable due to all the inconsistencies it has like Pokey contradicting established lore and most likely is an unrelated dimension. Mario and Paper Mario being confirmed to be the same countless times>Paper Mario being shown as separate in only one inconsistent game.

    • @NRPG64
      @NRPG64 10 місяців тому +21

      ​@@KalikoAF Did you even read his comment. He said the Paper Mario that appeared in Paper Jam is a parallel character to the characters we see in the Paper Mario Series. Paper Jam Paper Mario is not the same one in the Paper Mario Series.

    • @WaddledeeEdits
      @WaddledeeEdits 10 місяців тому +4

      Now I know you don't Know mario lore I can prove there the same on discord

  • @mr.woodle1178
    @mr.woodle1178 10 місяців тому +73

    Mario power scaling is...weird. On one hand, Mario runs at a normal pace in games like Mario 64, Sunshine, Galaxy, etc. But on the other hand in the Mario and Luigi series, both brothers can dodge light beams and lasers. I'm not a power scaler so I don't know how any of this works but I'd imagine it's hard to power scale Mario.

    • @awesomeblacka4423
      @awesomeblacka4423 9 місяців тому +9

      He explains it by saying very game of Mario is a different Mario with the exception of a couple of games.

    • @rexyjp1237
      @rexyjp1237 8 місяців тому +7

      Theres a difference between reaction speed and movement speed.

    • @Morbius-Tension
      @Morbius-Tension 8 місяців тому +1

      @@rexyjp1237I mean he did say he doesn’t power scale so he wouldn’t know this

    • @destroyer16690
      @destroyer16690 8 місяців тому +1

      @@awesomeblacka4423 What does ap and hax mean?

    • @CutWat
      @CutWat 5 місяців тому +1

      Reaction speed is very different from movement speed

  • @tfy2238
    @tfy2238 10 місяців тому +66

    The fact that sonic in games and sonic in death battles/cutsenes durability is different.If we look up on Sonic Frontiers,if Sonic didn’t taunt or didn’t made fun of sage,giganto would throw him a little slower,but then when sonic taunted them both,giganto throw him to two towers and a massive rocked wall,but Sonic didn’t die yet,he was only fainted and wake up in like 15 seconds.

    • @awesomezebroz_2949
      @awesomezebroz_2949 8 місяців тому +6

      not to forget that giganto is powered by the chaos emeralds so it makes sense the titans would be powerful enough to harm sonic

    • @tfy2238
      @tfy2238 8 місяців тому

      @@awesomezebroz_2949 yeah

  • @Thecloudster0
    @Thecloudster0 9 місяців тому +37

    In the end, I just want to say that Mario and Sonic are both legends and have shaped my gaming childhood. I don’t care about Death Battles, debates, and or comparisons. I just want these two GOATs of gaming to still be relevant. And Tbh a Mario and Sonic collab game (excluding Olympics) would be FIRE.

    • @fogflame2289
      @fogflame2289 Місяць тому +1

      SmashBros

    • @Thecloudster0
      @Thecloudster0 Місяць тому +1

      @@fogflame2289 excluding Smash Bros (I forgot about that one😰😂)

    • @fogflame2289
      @fogflame2289 Місяць тому +1

      @@Thecloudster0 lol

    • @fogflame2289
      @fogflame2289 Місяць тому +2

      @@Thecloudster0 though i do agree, it would be cool to have them work together to save the world or something, like a 2D game or maybe even 3D.

  • @NoohCrazyK
    @NoohCrazyK 10 місяців тому +30

    Another reason why sonic uses emeralds in 06 is because then he can time travel with his friends

    • @codishotwell150
      @codishotwell150 10 місяців тому +1

      sonic likes a challenge running back in time will be too easy for him

  • @talkingben3332
    @talkingben3332 10 місяців тому +103

    I gotta hand it to the other guy
    He’s the only Mario fan that watched Ty’s video and actually gave out evidence in attempt to debunk it
    While others that commented on the video clearly lacked genuine information
    Edit:If you want to join a Sonic vs Mario war then the replies underneath my comment is the place to go

    • @TheCrossingChannel
      @TheCrossingChannel 10 місяців тому +8

      most of it was nonsensical bullcrap

    • @BTthekingnocap
      @BTthekingnocap 10 місяців тому +13

      @@TheCrossingChannelit wasn’t my friend

    • @WassupMyGuys
      @WassupMyGuys 10 місяців тому +7

      ​@@BTthekingnocap Some of it was. Classic Sonic is canon and so is hyper Sonic

    • @BTthekingnocap
      @BTthekingnocap 10 місяців тому +4

      @@WassupMyGuys ok funny how that is the only thing you bring up since everyone else in the comment already says that but yeah som of it is bull crap but definitely not close to all of it is

    • @WassupMyGuys
      @WassupMyGuys 10 місяців тому +2

      @@BTthekingnocap Yep, I meant that not all of it is.

  • @callanoid7290
    @callanoid7290 10 місяців тому +347

    Sonic obviously demolishes, mario may be stronger and better than a normal human and can use powerup items but, sonic is a super fast hedgehog that has natural op powers and can change time. Sonic SOLOS

    • @Asylum2544
      @Asylum2544 10 місяців тому +20

      Exactly

    • @Supers_channel
      @Supers_channel 10 місяців тому +27

      @@Asylum2544yea like bro the way he said sonic can be taken out of his super form I was screaming “HE WAS TRICKED”

    • @jafetvaldez1065
      @jafetvaldez1065 10 місяців тому +7

      Bruh are you talking about movie mario???

    • @LuigiStar31
      @LuigiStar31 10 місяців тому

      "A normal human"
      - a dumbass

    • @CypherThunder
      @CypherThunder 10 місяців тому +37

      Bro Mario isn’t just a human, he was born a star child, meaning he has enough power to conquer a universe. MOVIE Mario is a normal human

  • @SonicChan654
    @SonicChan654 10 місяців тому +28

    actually there is a way you could argue against the whole invincibility power up.
    1. Sonic has his invincibility power up that’s way weaker than his Super form
    2. You have to show HOW invulnerable the invincibilities are considering that each different has their own, so take it as you will
    3. Even when Mario can use his power ups, you don’t really see Sonic using any of them in his adventures except for the chaos emeralds and wisp but he hasn’t used after a long time, that’s literally about it

    • @HDLLHANZ
      @HDLLHANZ 9 місяців тому +3

      Mario without power ups compared to Sonic without power ups is sorta day and night.

    • @deaconaligood
      @deaconaligood 8 місяців тому +3

      Also, Sonic only uses his Super Form when needed, as proved in Sonic Frontiers, where he tries to fight Giganto without it, believing he can homing attack right through it, and after that says "I'm going to need the Chaos Emeralds"

  • @ZacDicoot
    @ZacDicoot 10 місяців тому +31

    Here’s what I usually say. Sonic definitely beats Mario in a fight in terms of stats but Mario is a complete god with items. Also with the new moves sonic can do in sonic frontiers it just makes everything else more confusing as hell. I hate when people brag about who can beat who’s ass. I love both characters none the less. They’ve both made huge impacts to the world.

    • @gabrielgarcia3524
      @gabrielgarcia3524 10 місяців тому +6

      The fight was much more straight forward post Odessey and forces.
      Now everything post Bowser’s Fury and Sonic frontiers has changed it from a match up that can go many ways to a weird one

    • @ZacDicoot
      @ZacDicoot 9 місяців тому +2

      @@gabrielgarcia3524 yeah that’s usually why whenever this topic gets brought up it just gets confusing as hell because these characters continue to get stronger every game

    • @AutumnLeaf06
      @AutumnLeaf06 3 місяці тому

      ​@gabrielgarcia3524 Well, I mean, if you think about it, mario becomes a giant being in bowsers fury, and in Sonic Frontiers, every boss fight is against a giant being sooo...

  • @gemninja1197
    @gemninja1197 10 місяців тому +119

    I feel like some people forget that just because you have the ability to do something on your own,if you have a easier option given to you that can do the same thing, you're gonna use that👀Love how you explained and debunked that video in such a chill and funny manner vs his response.I honestly love both characters as well as they shaped my childhood but these arguments be crazy🤣

    • @GamblingGambrelGG
      @GamblingGambrelGG 10 місяців тому +3

      I have the new Mario game, and I can confirm. He actually can control it. Using the power ups.

    • @ILikeSoda229
      @ILikeSoda229 10 місяців тому +1

      What are you referencing in the first sentence of your comment? Genuinely curious

    • @ViksSon-
      @ViksSon- 10 місяців тому +1

      @@GamblingGambrelGGthe game hasn’t even released yet

    • @GamblingGambrelGG
      @GamblingGambrelGG 10 місяців тому +1

      @@ViksSon- Yeah, and I played it.

    • @ViksSon-
      @ViksSon- 10 місяців тому +1

      @@GamblingGambrelGG what is blud on?

  • @RP_4B
    @RP_4B 10 місяців тому +84

    Hyper Sonic is canon because Sonic Mania is canon. If you play Sonic Mania as Knuckles, you can see the Super Emeralds but they are cracked. That means that Knuckles just never bothered to fix them, but they still exist. Hyper Sonic is 100% canon

    • @ElijaPin
      @ElijaPin 10 місяців тому +10

      Yeah and sonic 3 is canon thats when the super emeralds were first introduced

    • @thefastcommenter7774
      @thefastcommenter7774 10 місяців тому +2

      Hyper isn’t canon.

    • @ElijaPin
      @ElijaPin 10 місяців тому +9

      @@thefastcommenter7774 heck u mean

    • @ElijaPin
      @ElijaPin 10 місяців тому +8

      @@thefastcommenter7774 sonic 3 is canon and mania is canon

    • @thefungang4191
      @thefungang4191 10 місяців тому +2

      Actually, it's been SHOWN and STATED that those are just rocks. You'd be implying that the Chaos Emeralds STAYED Super Emeralds, which is IMPOSSIBLE considering you can get all seven IN Sonic Mania.

  • @callanoid7290
    @callanoid7290 10 місяців тому +25

    Minecraft sword is fire 🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @ClassicSonictheRemixer
    @ClassicSonictheRemixer 10 місяців тому +34

    I don't actually think all Mario's are different, Miyamoto himself (father of Mario) stated that all Mario's are the same Mario, since he doesn't have an established canon. At least all the Game Marios. That explains why people like to "Composite" Mario when in actuality, all Mario's are the same. The inconsistencies are probably only done as part of game mechanics.
    Anyway, cool video! I still think Mario wins though.

    • @NRPG64
      @NRPG64 10 місяців тому +9

      Agreed.

    • @cirnosnumberfan6449
      @cirnosnumberfan6449 10 місяців тому +9

      I still would say Paper and Regular are different just to have some diversity and to avoid confusion.

    • @ClassicSonictheRemixer
      @ClassicSonictheRemixer 10 місяців тому +6

      @@cirnosnumberfan6449 Understandable but its not wrong to believe that Paper Mario is just Mario but Paper

    • @SonZackSSJ2
      @SonZackSSJ2 10 місяців тому +9

      The Inconsistencies happen because they need to in order for a Game to have a plot. For instance Mario was tied in Ropes in Super Princess Peach just so the events of that game can happen.

    • @SonZackSSJ2
      @SonZackSSJ2 10 місяців тому +5

      ⁠@@cirnosnumberfan6449Paper Mario is just Game Mario before Paper Jam, this means they actually scale above him.

  • @heyzbeauz
    @heyzbeauz 10 місяців тому +46

    hyper sonic IS cannon. in mania you can see the super emeralds are broken, from the last time he used it in 3&K

    • @jacksonvoet8312
      @jacksonvoet8312 10 місяців тому +3

      Okay, it’s canon, but the emeralds are broken, no hyper form for sonic.

    • @maxkingjoe5460
      @maxkingjoe5460 10 місяців тому +2

      @@jacksonvoet8312there is no way chaos emeralds take damage hyper in sonic 3 don’t you see chaos emeralds are still working still today and future?

    • @jacksonvoet8312
      @jacksonvoet8312 10 місяців тому +3

      @@maxkingjoe5460 No, the emeralds used to go Hyper are the super emeralds, a different kind of energy gem, while the chaos emeralds are fine, without the super emeralds, there’s just not enough power to go hyper.

    • @leticianeal9147
      @leticianeal9147 10 місяців тому +1

      @@jacksonvoet8312 It still can be used in a deathbattle.

    • @jacksonvoet8312
      @jacksonvoet8312 10 місяців тому +1

      @@leticianeal9147 Okay, fair, but we do realize who won that death battle, right?

  • @thedredayshow9246
    @thedredayshow9246 10 місяців тому +37

    The "Can he beat Goku?" crowd: (Sweatin...)

    • @meachy1
      @meachy1 10 місяців тому +2

      Fr, these two characters are literally a dimension higher

    • @p1000-ratti
      @p1000-ratti 10 місяців тому +1

      @@meachy1 ''mario destroys higher dimensions''

    • @elmemearana
      @elmemearana 10 місяців тому

      ​@@p1000-ratti both can destroy higher dimensions. Your point is useless.

    • @Anormalyoutuber2255
      @Anormalyoutuber2255 10 місяців тому +5

      Archie sonic about to clap Goku

    • @thecraggle7277
      @thecraggle7277 10 місяців тому +1

      Goku slams either of them

  • @ef-jkota3611
    @ef-jkota3611 10 місяців тому +29

    There is a gap there, you see Mario also has a time limit of sorts! in his games when he had that leaf and you beat a level, it’s invincibility dies out and goes back to a regular power up! This shows it isn’t permanent and can die out

    • @RaccoonThunderMario_Official
      @RaccoonThunderMario_Official 10 місяців тому +8

      Well that actually has the same reasoning behind it as to why Sonic leaves his Super form when he moves on to the next level even though he has a lot of rings on him still.

    • @NRPG64
      @NRPG64 10 місяців тому +7

      ​@@RaccoonThunderMario_Official Exactly.

    • @BoughtCanoe
      @BoughtCanoe 10 місяців тому +2

      @@RaccoonThunderMario_OfficialDifference here is
      Sonic has been shown multiple times to stay in super for a LONG time
      Mario’s time limit was never shown outside for his most busted powerups so the only way to actually calculate it is with what we have.
      Point being, Sonic has been shown to canonically have thousands of rings on him, able to stay past his time limit, and super isn’t even the only one(Hyper IS canon and its just a even better super.)

    • @RaccoonThunderMario_Official
      @RaccoonThunderMario_Official 10 місяців тому +3

      @@BoughtCanoe Do the rings really do something for Super Sonic or is that just a game mechanic since in Sonic Advance he's able to stay in Super for a week?

    • @madd4punk733
      @madd4punk733 10 місяців тому

      @@RaccoonThunderMario_Official rings are just a game mechanic. i think the only piece of media that tried to force some actual canonical purpose onto them is sonic prime?

  • @porobotboyxxx
    @porobotboyxxx 10 місяців тому +11

    20:08-20:26 Actually if Sonic could travel through time in his base for that game. It would have been faster for him to travel through time by running instead going on a mission of searching for another Chaos Emerald like Shadow suggested, when they arrived in the future.

  • @AnimeSonic717
    @AnimeSonic717 10 місяців тому +78

    The problem with Mario fanboys is that they take one thing and make it sound like it’s insane thing.

    • @shinyxz9
      @shinyxz9 10 місяців тому +40

      You could say the same thing about Sonic fanboys tbh. I'm a fan of both, and I think both fanbases are annoying ASF from time to time

    • @NRPG64
      @NRPG64 10 місяців тому +10

      ​@@shinyxz9 Fr.

    • @cirnosnumberfan6449
      @cirnosnumberfan6449 10 місяців тому +8

      ​@@shinyxz9Sonic has more consistent feats than Mario does, so that should explain that.

    • @NRPG64
      @NRPG64 10 місяців тому +11

      ​@@cirnosnumberfan6449 More like less.

    • @CatsAreAwesome17773
      @CatsAreAwesome17773 10 місяців тому +3

      @@NRPG64ehhhhh

  • @snowbird1381
    @snowbird1381 10 місяців тому +6

    You should do another video with the side characters. Everyone has gone back-and-forth on sonic and Mario and we all have the same arguments. It would be cool to see tails versus Luigi or Amy versus peach. Or even Bowser versus Eggman.

  • @Alejandro333777
    @Alejandro333777 10 місяців тому +1

    12:03 I love how you used that image I literally just seen that for the first time like two days ago

  • @Wizardwarlock324
    @Wizardwarlock324 10 місяців тому +23

    A lot of you might not know this but sonic has a lot of abilities from the games but they don't appear often because sonic doesn't rely on them as much as mario

    • @cirnosnumberfan6449
      @cirnosnumberfan6449 10 місяців тому +10

      That's... Actually a good point.

    • @Wizardwarlock324
      @Wizardwarlock324 10 місяців тому +2

      @@cirnosnumberfan6449 thanks

    • @Wizardwarlock324
      @Wizardwarlock324 10 місяців тому +2

      Also whenever mario fights a new foe or Bowser at the start of a game he almost ALWAYS goes in to fight unprepared with like no powerups and completely underestimates the opponent which is why they catch him off guard and take him down with no effort

    • @cirnosnumberfan6449
      @cirnosnumberfan6449 10 місяців тому +1

      @@Wizardwarlock324 That's probably because Mario is impulsive, he's not much of a strategist. It's pretty much his version of how Sonic is always cocky.

    • @nerdydebaterjj
      @nerdydebaterjj 10 місяців тому

      ​@NormalYoshiMfthat really doesn't change anything. Sonic relies on the cows and was because of their there and he knows when to use them to get the job done. Mario uses them continuously throughout the entire games.

  • @TheSwordsman100
    @TheSwordsman100 10 місяців тому +7

    This was a great rebuttal, with the only issue I take with it being the Death of Author aspect. I'm pretty sure Miyamoto is being taken out of context and that what he meant is that there is indeed one main Mario that goes on most of the adventures like how Classic and Modern are still Sonic. Sunshine does go out of its way to establish a bit of continuity and timeline. (this type of confusion also plagued the Sonic franchise with the two worlds being taken literally even though it was meant metaphorically) Ian while being promoted to a high position now of days, still never had the final say to begin with, for instance wanted to make Sonic far slower as he feels it gets in the way of high stakes which has been rejected by Sega of Japan constantly.
    Classic and Modern were actually retconed back into being just one Sonic as seen in Tails Tube (with Origns clarifying the games place on the timeline) so yeah that doesn't have a leg to stand on at all. (Even without the current version of the canon headlined by Ian and the rest of the lore council trusting the word of Forces a game chalk full of continuity errors over every other game in the franchise that always contradicts multiverse theory is questionable at best)

  • @mrrd2600
    @mrrd2600 10 місяців тому +17

    One quick counterpoint to Solaris and super Dimentio
    Ian Flynn stated that Solaris would take his time when destroying timelines (may be authors fallacy), while Super Dimentio was quicker and destroyed multiple different dimensions instantly
    Plus unlike Solaris, we’re actually shown the extent of the voids destruction in sammer kingdom.
    Considering the voids job is to destroy an entire dimension, I’m pretty sure it’s past and future would go with it.
    Just thought I’d add this.

    • @brogeefrong
      @brogeefrong 10 місяців тому +2

      It’s stated theres a possible infinite amount of timelines in Sonic

    • @mrrd2600
      @mrrd2600 10 місяців тому +4

      @brogee2123 fair. Still, the void still erases an entire dimension, along with everything in it.
      During Solaris' destruction, the landscapes were still around while the destruction was happening, along with the fact sonic and friends were in an area that kept them safe.
      It's why Solaris vs Super Dimentio is weird. Sure Solaris may be able to destroy more in context, but Super Dimentio has a more dangerous source of power and is a lot quicker with it.
      It's why they really shouldn't be used to scale sonic and mario, considering they both had help destroying the entities.

    • @rimurutempest9733
      @rimurutempest9733 10 місяців тому

      @@mrrd2600 don't matter smt sonic folds any mario i not talking about Archie sonic btw

    • @thecraggle7277
      @thecraggle7277 10 місяців тому

      ​@@rimurutempest9733thecraggle on disc

    • @samuraituff9653
      @samuraituff9653 9 місяців тому +1

      ​@@brogeefrongso is Mario in dream land

  • @Gojirasaurus_rex
    @Gojirasaurus_rex 10 місяців тому +2

    20:23 not to mention I bet the chaos emeralds at a lot more precise in what time you travel to

  • @TexasChel
    @TexasChel 10 місяців тому +7

    I have something to add here.
    Sonic can Time Travel without the Chaos Emeralds, he can time travel with the Time Stones, they're pretty much strong. If Sonic used the Time Stones in the battle against Solaris, he would easily beat him without getting the help from Shadow or Silver. Right now I'm waiting for you to respond, because I'm actually interested of what you're going to say about my comment, you're a really great person to talk with.

  • @DrunkenJapaneseGoblin
    @DrunkenJapaneseGoblin 10 місяців тому +8

    Another thing you missed was how in “Sonic Riders: Zero Gravity” literally all of the main cast PULLED UP TO A BLACK HOLE to beat a robot THAT COULD USE THE POWER OF A BLACK HOLE

    • @samuraituff9653
      @samuraituff9653 9 місяців тому

      Mario has tanked a black hole before too

    • @DrunkenJapaneseGoblin
      @DrunkenJapaneseGoblin 9 місяців тому +1

      @@samuraituff9653 yeah, but that was already brought up in the video, I’m taking about a moment in the sonic series that wasn’t brought up in the video

    • @ArthurBr1000Oficial
      @ArthurBr1000Oficial 9 місяців тому +1

      Damn, I forgot that

  • @aboodsart
    @aboodsart 5 місяців тому +1

    I appreciate how he cares about other channels and tells people not to send hate

  • @RealSuperStar_SonicSpeed
    @RealSuperStar_SonicSpeed 7 місяців тому

    Nice job this is the greatest Mario vs Sonic video ever made

  • @The_Gabe
    @The_Gabe 10 місяців тому +24

    Mario might be inconsistent but so is Sonic. One time Blaze came from another dimension, one time she came from the future. Or once Eggman blew away half of the moon only for it to be completely fine in later games.
    I think Mario might have a tad more games to pull from.
    SMB 1
    SMB 3
    SML 1/2
    SMW
    SM64
    Sunshine
    NSMB 1/2/Wii/U
    Possibly Galaxy 1/2 (depending on how SMG2's ending would fit into the timeline)
    3D Land/World/Bowser's Fury
    Odyssey
    The portrayal of Mario and his world are quite consistent in those games.

    • @omexyl1752
      @omexyl1752 10 місяців тому +4

      I think the Blaze thing was just a straight up retcon. Especially since it was in 06 which was planned to be the 'new gen sonic' but not only did it suck, the game/timeline retconned itself out of existence. So it's likely she was supposed to have her history changed to her being a resident of the future, but after the backlash 06 got, they kept it the same

    • @The_Gabe
      @The_Gabe 10 місяців тому +2

      @@omexyl1752 , a few games after 06 characters still mentioned that she was from another dimension.

    • @sonicwithglasses131
      @sonicwithglasses131 10 місяців тому +1

      ​@@The_Gabein gens blaze said she she felt like she has been at crisis city before

    • @yay29823
      @yay29823 10 місяців тому +6

      These inconsistencies are meaningless to this debate. Will the fact that Sonic wins over Mario change just because a the writing doesn't know if Blaze is from the future or from another dimension? Or because the moon is intact? No.

    • @The_Gabe
      @The_Gabe 10 місяців тому +1

      @@sonicwithglasses131 , in team sonic racing they then said she's from another dimension

  • @__Soya__
    @__Soya__ 10 місяців тому +12

    Everything was great expect the “not very Mario is the same Mario” the only exception to this is paper Mario which exists in a book in the normal universe. Mario and Paper Mario exists as two separate entities but Mario has also went on all the paper mario adventures.

    • @__Soya__
      @__Soya__ 10 місяців тому +1

      Every*

    • @SatisfactionVIP
      @SatisfactionVIP 10 місяців тому

      not all of the adventures

    • @AnotherScaleneTriangle
      @AnotherScaleneTriangle 10 місяців тому

      Paper Jam is NOT canon I repeat, if it was it would be a time paradox according to Mario canon

    • @__Soya__
      @__Soya__ 10 місяців тому +1

      @@AnotherScaleneTriangle Paper Jam is canon. It's not a paradox in the slightest.

    • @__Soya__
      @__Soya__ 10 місяців тому

      @@SatisfactionVIP Yes all the adventures. They all fit pretty perfectly together. I can send you a link to the marioverse mario timeline subreddit If you want.

  • @goncalopintopinto1209
    @goncalopintopinto1209 10 місяців тому +1

    One thing you said mentioned in 18:20 ,this is true since when they said this they meant that all different versions of sonic are from different realities but still exist in the game world, which is why they stated everything is canon, not because they were saying that it’s all the same sonic

  • @AnimeSonic717
    @AnimeSonic717 10 місяців тому +1

    3:01 Solaris is a omnipresent.Which is a state of being of existing in more than one place.

  • @shinyxz9
    @shinyxz9 10 місяців тому +13

    Your response is amazing! I still have the same problem from the last video, and that is you keep saying that all Mario's are different. Miyamoto saying that all Marios are the same is not a writer's fallacy cuz it's not like he stopped helping on Mario games after Sunshine and retired or something, he still helps out. I'm not gonna go on a tangent like i did on my last comment but, dude, come on, if that were the case, how tf are Rosalina and Captain Toad in 3D World? Also there's nothing said by anyone at Nintendo proving your take either
    (Edit: just googled it and from an article from THIS YEAR, Miyamoto still produces basically every Nintendo game, so yes is word does have weight)

    • @Tyrecordslol
      @Tyrecordslol  10 місяців тому +3

      I didn’t notice most some of m you would take it so literal, so I’ll clarify. Every single Mario isn’t the same exact Mario, yes some are the same but not all. That’s what I mean I understand the confusion

    • @inazumarai7690
      @inazumarai7690 10 місяців тому +2

      ​@@Tyrecordslolit doesn't feel right to say there's a different mario because of differences in gameplay. having fall damage in 64 and not other games is simply differences in game design. if we counted that as a different mario, we could also say that sonic in generations is a different sonic from in the adventure games/unleashed, since one needs certain shoes to perform the light speed dash, while the other has the ability innately.

    • @shinyxz9
      @shinyxz9 10 місяців тому +1

      @@Tyrecordslol I didn't expect you to reply lol

    • @shinyxz9
      @shinyxz9 10 місяців тому +1

      @@Tyrecordslol also, thanks for clarifying though

    • @NebulaSon
      @NebulaSon 10 місяців тому

      ​@@inazumarai7690Except it's confirmed from generation that it's the same Sonic, since the story is about them reliving the past. And Sonic frontiers even confirmed them to be the same Sonic.

  • @shadow.1691
    @shadow.1691 10 місяців тому +13

    Bro beat the hell out of me even though I like the video 💀

  • @sonicday8307
    @sonicday8307 10 місяців тому

    you should start a gaming channel and still keep this one kepp working man :)

  • @DARKDREAMYBOWSEROfficial
    @DARKDREAMYBOWSEROfficial 10 місяців тому

    The debate will never end dude

  • @Mrsussyfoxwolf
    @Mrsussyfoxwolf 10 місяців тому +5

    It depends on what mario variant is fighting sonic

    • @N.jadaka
      @N.jadaka 10 місяців тому +1

      well josh is obvs suggesting a comp sonic vs modern sonic

  • @stupidmarioplushchannel
    @stupidmarioplushchannel 10 місяців тому +3

    15:48
    I think what the other UA-camr ment was that since Mario is more focused on gameplay and not like a roller coaster, like the bullet bills they are slow for us but I’m pretty sure that’s a game mechanic, and that’s I think that bullet bills are shown to be fast like in the beginning of Mario galaxy, so I don’t think Mario can run the speed of light, he can react to it. Hope this makes sence 😂, and mario was shown To move when time stopped with the final battle of the first rpg game, so Mario can move when time was stopped, Mario is a star baby which is shown to destroy universe at their baby’s form and Mario is fully grown, I think the reason why Nintendo isn’t saying why Mario is strong or fast is because it’s basically a flex, and the sonic makers seems to love flexing about sonic ALOT, it’s either Mario winning or a tie, buuuuut I’m not saying sonic won’t be a challenge but with that, also Mario did destroy a galaxy with one hand and remade it with his bare hands, kinda like Mario maker. And the paper Mario in paper jam isn’t the paper Mario that we know that’s a new version of paper Mario, and the whole “all Mario’s are the same crap” there are a few references to some games in mario odyssey showing some games that are canon and in a cool way too. that’s my take, and I know I might be wrong with a few things 😅 I liked this video but even tho I still think Mario from a few games wins, but this was a good video, keep up the good work

  • @ADGAMINGRULES789
    @ADGAMINGRULES789 10 місяців тому +1

    Finally I have been waiting for ever

  • @haloexmachina8100
    @haloexmachina8100 9 місяців тому +1

    Thx tyler I love sonic. But i think you overlooked something.
    The reason sonic used the chaos emerald instead of the running is bcus he wanted to bring other people (like tails) with him to the another timeline.
    Anyway great vid i dont know if you read comments but im curious about your thoughts.

  • @whyareyouviewingthis
    @whyareyouviewingthis 8 місяців тому +4

    I will never understand why Sonic fans have a need to latch onto Mario.
    This is what a decade of having no good games does to a fandom lol

    • @JosiahTheStickGuy
      @JosiahTheStickGuy 3 місяці тому +2

      That… is actually a fair point.

    • @bootleg6595
      @bootleg6595 24 дні тому +1

      Frontiers wasn't good? Mania? Tf 😭

    • @xliteisaiahhehe
      @xliteisaiahhehe 13 днів тому

      Every sonic game had a potential of being good but hated on critics of ign. Like come on, they gave unleash a bad score when that game was good. There’s lots of people who say it’s better then oddessy.

  • @carterjames8829
    @carterjames8829 10 місяців тому +5

    I don't really see a reason why these two would ever fight each other. I could see them competing like in Mario & Sonic in the Olympics, or in Mario Kart series (btw, Sonic deserved to be in MK8 Deluxe more than Link, Isabelle, Villager, and the Inklings), but never the reason to fight against one another. If they ran into some kind of fued or war like Captain America and Iron Man, the two of them wouldn't even go that far into destroying or massacring themselves.

  • @FischymakesMusic
    @FischymakesMusic 10 місяців тому +1

    Sonic Vs Kirby is a whole other discussion, and there’s gotta be some ground rules

  • @silveramyknux241
    @silveramyknux241 10 місяців тому +1

    17:09
    Correction: he doesn’t explicitly mention Black Knight. The magic book thing was something that was in Secret rings.
    But we all still consider Black to be canon because of Secret Rings being canon so it doesn’t matter.

  • @kirbytrent1
    @kirbytrent1 10 місяців тому +15

    I swear some people forget what a death battle is about, it's about characters at their full potential and who would win

  • @porobotboyxxx
    @porobotboyxxx 10 місяців тому +3

    18:09-18:25 Aw, but Silver desperately needs the Olympic Games series to improve on his hand-to-hand combat skills.😥

    • @JosiahTheStickGuy
      @JosiahTheStickGuy 10 місяців тому +2

      Sega just doesn’t like him anymore 😔

  • @mochi51832
    @mochi51832 10 місяців тому +1

    Honestly this battle could go either way

  • @theJplease
    @theJplease 10 місяців тому +1

    Yo ty, can you do a video on archie sonic vs shadow vs silver. I personally think silver wins cause of some feats but i wanna hear your take on it

  • @supersonical8770
    @supersonical8770 10 місяців тому +6

    Maybe the reason why Mario doesn’t take fall damage in 3D World and in 64 he does is probably because he learned from his mistakes

  • @DarkRingKnux
    @DarkRingKnux 10 місяців тому +6

    Snic doesn't play around since hes the fastest rizzhog around the sonic universe

    • @shinyxz9
      @shinyxz9 10 місяців тому

      Sonic got that rizz fr fr

  • @Kwizzy8406
    @Kwizzy8406 10 місяців тому

    Who knew that one video could start this big debate, but then this is Mario vs Sonic.

  • @der-dat2327
    @der-dat2327 9 місяців тому

    bro you're the first youtuber to successfully make me like the video i was fighting for my life

  • @FazeLiam_75OFFICIALYT
    @FazeLiam_75OFFICIALYT 10 місяців тому +13

    I think it’s a closer fight, but I still think Sonic wins

    • @Nick-up5wv
      @Nick-up5wv 10 місяців тому

      Thank you. TRUE fans realize it's an uphill battle for BOTH characters. Sonic fans just like to believe Sonic automatically POWNS, but not so. Each have MULTIPLE counters to each other. I believe Mario COULD win if he outsmarts Sonic. Physically Sonic probably DOES take the W; much as I hate to admit it, BUT he'll be pretty weakened by the encounter.

    • @FazeLiam_75OFFICIALYT
      @FazeLiam_75OFFICIALYT 10 місяців тому

      @@Nick-up5wv 😉👍👍👍

    • @paulgilbert5278
      @paulgilbert5278 10 місяців тому

      Personally I think it’s a tie. Both are capable of delivering deadly blows to each other. But the reality is that Mario and Sonic are chill now so they wouldn’t fight at all.

    • @Nick-up5wv
      @Nick-up5wv 10 місяців тому

      @@paulgilbert5278 Facts 💯

    • @andraw4002
      @andraw4002 10 місяців тому

      ​@@paulgilbert5278The reality is, Sonic's theoretical speed is infinite, and he can unravel Mario before the fight even began.

  • @nic1234t_reborn
    @nic1234t_reborn 10 місяців тому +3

    Its not about who has the better game. Its about who's more powerful...

  • @aidiot778
    @aidiot778 10 місяців тому +1

    This all could've been avoided if he played the games, glad to see you weren't being toxic though. Also what are your thoughts on frontiers' boss themes (undefeatable, break through it all, etc)

  • @The-Black-Fang
    @The-Black-Fang 10 місяців тому +2

    Classic Sonic is confirmed to not be a separate dimension Sonic post Forces multiple times.

  • @mr5stars145
    @mr5stars145 10 місяців тому +89

    people are comparing a ordinary man with a broken and busted headgehog that can move faster than sound

    • @Cuti3_Patooti3
      @Cuti3_Patooti3 10 місяців тому +12

      Faster than light

    • @jafetvaldez1065
      @jafetvaldez1065 10 місяців тому +24

      Ah yes a regular human that can lift up castles like it’s nothing

    • @jasoneskride2367
      @jasoneskride2367 10 місяців тому +8

      I can tell a war is about to happen in this comment section

    • @Supers_channel
      @Supers_channel 10 місяців тому +13

      @@jafetvaldez1065yea the one that needed a power up to do so

    • @mr5stars145
      @mr5stars145 10 місяців тому +1

      @@jafetvaldez1065 i didnt mean it literally 💀 but the point still stands

  • @Wizardwarlock324
    @Wizardwarlock324 10 місяців тому +10

    The blackhole in galaxy was way bigger than the one in Mario party. If you compare the sizes of the blackhole the one in galaxy was massively larger which means the gravitational pull. The one in mario party wasn't destroying the galaxy which means that it is the same mario.

    • @SonZackSSJ2
      @SonZackSSJ2 10 місяців тому +3

      Infact it destroyed the Universe in which Ty here downplays.

    • @infern24
      @infern24 10 місяців тому +1

      @@SonZackSSJ2 gotta love how you all keep acting like he's a sonic fanboy when the guy has obviously played all the games in both sonic and mario and is an expert on both, so he obviously knows more than you do. he's stated multiple times he's a mario fan and thinks mario games are better than sonic games. guess you all have selective hearing though huh?

    • @Carlos-mj2ns
      @Carlos-mj2ns 10 місяців тому

      ​@@infern24I think Sonic wins too, but he is combining Sonics that aren't even canon into this debate while his beliefs in Mario's access to other games is greatly limiting:
      1. There's no evidence telling us that Mario & Luigi, Super Mario RPG, and Super Mario Land are different timelines from the main series
      2. He's including non canon Sonic games to up his points: Sonic Shuffle, Archie Sonic, Movie Sonic, Cartoon Sonic, Sonic X, Sonic Riders, these are not canon Sonic games are medium to scale Sonic
      3. I think Sonic wins, but saying Sonic wins no difficulty is no different from Death Battle Guts vs Dimitri when people said Guts wins no difficulty.

    • @gabrielgarcia3524
      @gabrielgarcia3524 10 місяців тому

      @@SonZackSSJ2 That part was weird but yeah this is my ranking of the 3 feats.
      Colors black hole(couldn’t suck in the earth or moon)

    • @gabrielgarcia3524
      @gabrielgarcia3524 10 місяців тому

      The galaxy black hole is a massive durability feat for Mario.
      He just came out of fighting a power star infused Bowser, he was stuck in a whole universe dragging out without the Luma helping him, and then gets sucked into the hole which then produces a big bang.
      Rosalina obviously got Mario out of there during that Big Bang but the fact that Mario tanked all that right before getting shielded is a big feat.

  • @memezabelle
    @memezabelle 10 місяців тому +1

    i actually didnt know they were 1v1 solaris in different timelines thats actually kinda sick

  • @METALLIX1000
    @METALLIX1000 10 місяців тому +2

    Do a sonic vs kirby vid

  • @Tf2gamer019
    @Tf2gamer019 4 місяці тому +3

    Take notes death match 😂😂😂😂

  • @HyperSonicXtreme
    @HyperSonicXtreme 10 місяців тому +4

    Ian Flynn once said he was going to put Hyper Sonic in the Final boss in Frontiers, but denied by Sega. Sega you can keep denying Hyper Sonic, but he still exists. Even Hyper Sonic was used in fighting sprite videos with other characters.

    • @Starwarsfan1253
      @Starwarsfan1253 9 місяців тому

      That was a huge L move on SEGA.

    • @tejasb1239
      @tejasb1239 5 місяців тому

      Even if those Sprite animations are non-cannon. Super Sonic 2 would be an instant execution for even Super Star Mario. But Hyper will exist in our hearts.

  • @omariwashington2570
    @omariwashington2570 5 місяців тому

    20:23 I think the real reason is because Sonic's time travel just put some in a random time in the past and a random time in the present at the area he's currently at but the chaos emeralds can take you anywhere in anytime that you want without having to be there.

  • @silveramyknux241
    @silveramyknux241 10 місяців тому +1

    6:46
    To go against that person’s claims, rings were mentioned in Generations between Modern and Classic Tails, SA1 does show Sonic collecting rings before fighting Chaos for the first time, Sonic Prime shows him collecting rings, and the collect a ton rings missions in both Sonic Heroes and Shadow the Hedgehog.

    • @silveramyknux241
      @silveramyknux241 10 місяців тому

      @Redacted-FM Modern & Classic Tails mentions the rings in the cutscene before the credits.
      And Ian Flynn, the writer for IDW and Frontiers has stated that Prime is canon. As Izuka wants all new Sonic projects like comics and shows to be cannon. I do agree on the inconsistencies in Prime tho, and it is a fair point. It mostly works like Battle where it can be treated as Supporting evidence.

    • @silveramyknux241
      @silveramyknux241 10 місяців тому

      @Redacted-FM Ian did outright say it was canon. On the Bumblekast channel. When a fan tried treating it as non-canon.
      But to be honest I’m not gonna look for the video. There are to many. If you want to, look at the videos around Season 1 of Sonic Prime. Even if you don’t trust Ian.

    • @silveramyknux241
      @silveramyknux241 10 місяців тому

      @Redacted-FM He’s a part of the lore team for the Sonic series who’s main goal is to revise the official lore into something more consistent. If their job revolves around Sonic lore, it makes sense to trust them on the canonicity of Sonic.

  • @LondizzyOFF.
    @LondizzyOFF. 10 місяців тому +47

    I agree with everything, LITERALLY EVERYTHING you’re correcting him about AND saying….
    Except for Mario being a different Mario every couple games. Look, I’m all for the stats and feats explained, but the Mario from Donkey Kong/Mario bros. Is the same Mario from Galaxy, 64 Odyssey etc. this can be explained through countless references from one game to the next and the fact that the inconsistencies from game to game can be looked at as just a gameplay deal, since Miyamoto mainly prioritizes gameplay and how the game mechanics feel to use instead of story when it comes to Mario. I will strongly stand firm in my belief that 3D Mario, 2D Mario, Mario & Luigi Mario, Mario Kart Mario, Sports Mario and Party Mario are the same tried and true character, no matter the inconsistencies since it can, again, be looked at as Nintendo focusing on gameplay and taking the easy way out rather than what makes logical sense lol. Movie Mario, Paper Mario and TV Mario are completely different though. I really appreciate you debunking this kid respectfully and even though I prefer Sonic a little more over Mario(Unleashed being my favorite game if yk yk), i just gotta point out the one teeny tiny mistake here. Great video, keep it up!

    • @Tyrecordslol
      @Tyrecordslol  10 місяців тому +17

      I agree that they are the same but I’m specifically talking about Paper Nario, Nario RPG, etc. those Mario’s aren’t the same as Gakaxy

    • @Kookie_13_
      @Kookie_13_ 10 місяців тому +1

      ​@@Tyrecordsloldo you have spell check off or smthng

    • @tendayimichaelchinyerere1843
      @tendayimichaelchinyerere1843 10 місяців тому

      ​@@Kookie_13_ypu too

    • @Kookie_13_
      @Kookie_13_ 10 місяців тому

      @@tendayimichaelchinyerere1843 I didn't spell anything wrong I just shortened the word something

    • @inazumarai7690
      @inazumarai7690 10 місяців тому

      ​@@Kookie_13_smth*

  • @JediDrewsterT
    @JediDrewsterT 10 місяців тому +4

    I honestly don’t think Sonic would lose to Ben 10. Alien X scales in power to beings like Solaris and the Timeeater.

  • @beomorphia841
    @beomorphia841 10 місяців тому +1

    Do Spider-Man vs Batman next

  • @RyoichiHD
    @RyoichiHD 10 місяців тому

    Noticed how he pulled a lot of his Mario research from death battle lol

  • @omegaproductions6660
    @omegaproductions6660 10 місяців тому +3

    I always find rebuking debunking video’s hilarious because they’re trying to make you look wrong but they end up being wrong

    • @brendaflowers1719
      @brendaflowers1719 5 місяців тому

      I like how you say that but after seeing the debunks tyrecords ends up being wrong

    • @omegaproductions6660
      @omegaproductions6660 5 місяців тому +1

      @@brendaflowers1719 Mario is about galaxy level because of Mario Galaxy. But sonic is Universe level because he fought and defeated Perfect Chaos in Sonic Generations, a being powered by ALL SEVEN CHAOS EMERALDS.
      Also, why do you still care? I made this comment five months ago. Did you really have nothing better to do with your life besides continue a topic that everyone had moved on from?

    • @brendaflowers1719
      @brendaflowers1719 5 місяців тому

      @@omegaproductions6660 cool Mario has defeated culex, dimentio who was gonna destroy all timelines

    • @omegaproductions6660
      @omegaproductions6660 4 місяці тому +1

      And dude, Culex would lose to Solaris. Someone that SUPER SONIC BEAT.

    • @Random66860
      @Random66860 3 місяці тому

      ​@@omegaproductions6660mario is easily universal level imao

  • @EbukaChimere
    @EbukaChimere 10 місяців тому +7

    He didn't have to explain to this bot but he did without hate we need more people like this

    • @paulgilbert5278
      @paulgilbert5278 10 місяців тому

      We need more people to make Mario vs Sonic videos in the first place? No we don’t.

    • @EbukaChimere
      @EbukaChimere 10 місяців тому

      @@paulgilbert5278 whatever man ur just lame dude

    • @JosiahTheStickGuy
      @JosiahTheStickGuy 10 місяців тому

      Sheesh, I’m apparently a 🤖
      ;(

    • @AnotherScaleneTriangle
      @AnotherScaleneTriangle 10 місяців тому

      ​@@JosiahTheStickGuyHe has an Undertale pfp it's common between his species

    • @JosiahTheStickGuy
      @JosiahTheStickGuy 10 місяців тому

      @@AnotherScaleneTriangle lol you have a point 😂

  • @Enigma093
    @Enigma093 10 місяців тому

    I can only imagine the chaos that is to come when that Sonic Vs Kirby vid drops💀

  • @naerolf09
    @naerolf09 10 місяців тому

    I think samus aran vs ganon would be a fair fight
    Would you ever do a vs type video like this one with samus?

  • @GRAH_GRAH_BOOM1
    @GRAH_GRAH_BOOM1 10 місяців тому +13

    Mario fans being bias with this one 🔥 🔥 🗣️🗣️

    • @SonZackSSJ2
      @SonZackSSJ2 10 місяців тому +1

      Says you 💀

    • @leticianeal9147
      @leticianeal9147 10 місяців тому +5

      @@SonZackSSJ2 How is he "biased"

    • @Nick-up5wv
      @Nick-up5wv 10 місяців тому +2

      No. BOTH parties are being biased. However Nintendo DID bail Sega financially out of debt in order for Sonic to continue to exist so from THAT perspective...🤔

    • @paulgilbert5278
      @paulgilbert5278 10 місяців тому

      @Nick-up5ww Sonic fans are salty that the GameCube/GBA/DS era was Sonic’s peak is all.

    • @SonZackSSJ2
      @SonZackSSJ2 10 місяців тому

      @@leticianeal9147 Sonic fans are biased in general, great games but pathetically toxic fan verses.

  • @Wizardwarlock324
    @Wizardwarlock324 10 місяців тому +3

    Sonic also has a hammer space where he can store things like powerups and weapons like caliburn

    • @cirnosnumberfan6449
      @cirnosnumberfan6449 10 місяців тому +2

      In Sonic Lost World, there's like a suitcase thing where he stores his things.

    • @SonZackSSJ2
      @SonZackSSJ2 10 місяців тому +1

      So does Mario

    • @cirnosnumberfan6449
      @cirnosnumberfan6449 10 місяців тому

      I like how every time someone say Sonic has a something, Mario fans just say "so does Mario" as an argument.

    • @SonZackSSJ2
      @SonZackSSJ2 10 місяців тому +1

      @@cirnosnumberfan6449 well it’s true, where do you think Mario stores his stuff to use as his Arsenal.

    • @Nick-up5wv
      @Nick-up5wv 10 місяців тому

      You realize Mario has a chest in Peach's Castle where she can just send him gear; note to mention letters containing power ups for some reason, right?

  • @jimbok3rr17thenewbie2
    @jimbok3rr17thenewbie2 9 місяців тому

    I honestly kinda just love watching people argue about this stuff

  • @jamesincolston4994
    @jamesincolston4994 10 місяців тому

    Bro is goin back too the 1800's with that minecraft sword

  • @metal_pipe9764
    @metal_pipe9764 10 місяців тому +3

    Mario could beat sonic if Sonic was sleeping and Mario had a gun

  • @khaleeq7182
    @khaleeq7182 10 місяців тому +4

    Bro all people have a different opinions in my opinion sonic would win over Mario like I said it's my opinion who agrees
    👇👇👇 Both are the goats tho

    • @shadow.1691
      @shadow.1691 10 місяців тому +1

      It would probably be a close fight but Sonic word take the w

    • @khaleeq7182
      @khaleeq7182 10 місяців тому

      ​@@shadow.1691true

    • @Waddle_dee_edits
      @Waddle_dee_edits 10 місяців тому

      I think mario wins

  • @Zone_Person
    @Zone_Person 7 днів тому +1

    sonic could survive lava in sonic 2 as long as he had at least 1 ring. also, thats CLASSIC sonic, YOUNGER SONIC COULD SURVIVE LAVA IN METROPOLIS ZONE! if classic sonic can survive lava with a ring, so can modern sonic.

  • @TheTrueLittlego
    @TheTrueLittlego 7 місяців тому

    Hey dude You seem to be pretty good at this stuff and I want to request you to do a comparison between Ben 10 and Sonic the Hedgehog Of course even if you see this is completely optional and just request I don't want to sound like I'm demanding it

  • @JosiahTheStickGuy
    @JosiahTheStickGuy 10 місяців тому +121

    First of all:
    ua-cam.com/video/pXJta830qtw/v-deo.htmlsi=plOqPferB4JxYQuJ (and this isn’t the only debunk to this video. There 2 other ones from other people)
    Second of all (get ready for an essay of yapping), while I’ll keep everything else I said up, I can’t really say this was a good response anymore. I used to think so, and while it has some fair things in it, it’s not that good after realizing that I basically had my comment section bombed with some poor arguments and had multiple vids full of comments of people hating on me over some debate between Mario and Sonic. I feel like this couldn’t have been avoided regardless of if my channel was shown or not, since searching up a debunk to his video doesn’t take that long. But Why do Sonic fans care so damn much about him beating Mario anyway? To feel better about how much more stuff Mario is better at than Sonic? (Even though Sonic has other things he’s better at than Mario.) I don’t really understand other than what some of them described as a “let us have this” type thing. Sure, my original video had some poor points or minor toxic or aggressive stuff on my end that I admit in my second video about this (and being hateful wasn’t my intention as stated in the end of the video), but I didn’t expect to basically get dismissed in various points rather than responded to even though people in this and other comment sections called out that I had fair points, or that Tyre had flaws in his video he wasn’t willing to acknowledge. And I’m not gonna talk about the short he made calling me a clown on one of the points I wasn’t aggressive about. I didn’t want to, but I ended up walking out with a tainted image of Sonic and loss of interest in watching the UA-camr who created a community of miners… filled with younger and immature (or just older but still immature) people who apparently get off on making fun of a different opinion, because heaven forbid someone has a take that isn’t glazing Sonic. (And he still hasn’t followed through on correcting his main argument that got disproved by a “Mario sweat” on his own discord. I really wish that last statement would age poorly, but I can’t get my hopes up.) And I’m not gonna talk about the fact he left out me bringing up his “Mario isn’t even planet level” claim. If you’ve made it this far, just know I don’t hate Tyrecordslol at all, as he’s pretty funny, and it’s not like his video is 100% wrong, as he’s done his research on some aspects that I could’ve, but not all of them, and what I do hate is the fan base of the character he clearly likes more that most people including me already looked down on. Of course I’m well aware of the non toxic people in the fandom or in the debate that are self aware. I’ve spoke with plenty of them, and can definitely come to respect THEIR opinions.
    And third of all, my original stuff: I never knew I used to sound like that much of a kindergartener when I record 😂
    But I will say that every Mario from the games is still the same. There’s no good proof except game mechanics (which are self-explanatorily wrong) or Paper Jam, but that game as well as Paper Mario games show that Mario’s adventures are illustrated in that Magical book that can bring things to life, meaning Mario still went on those journeys, they’re just being told with a different aspect/perspective. (And Paper Jam arguably has too many inconsistencies to be a valid way of determine canon for Paper Mario.)
    And the Black Hole Mario couldn’t escape was the ones in game, not in the end cutscene. I forgot to mention that but that should’ve been kinda self explanatory… (the black hole in the final cutscene was also destroying everything, not just stars and planets…)

    • @NRPG64
      @NRPG64 10 місяців тому +14

      Honestly, even tho he did actually make some correct points, it is still very wrong.

    • @ADGAMINGRULES789
      @ADGAMINGRULES789 10 місяців тому +5

      It is okay man everyone makes mistakes just be right

    • @Halostown
      @Halostown 10 місяців тому +3

      How is this not the top comment and why did it only have 1 like 💀

    • @shinyxz9
      @shinyxz9 10 місяців тому +8

      It was a good response, but I still don't like how he keeps saying that all Mario's are different, because there are 2 different versions of Mario, therefore that must mean that all Mario's are not the same, and that there are inconsistencies with him out swimming the black hole in Mario Party but not doing the same in Galaxy, so that must mean they are different! And there's an Indian Mario, and Black Mario, so yeah all Mario's are Total different!
      I do agree that there is a Mario multiverse, all Mario's are the same and Miyamoto's words hold weight with him saying that cuz you know, he literally helps out with modern Mario games (I think). That's not an example of writers fallacy, and his example of bringing of Ian with him saying that Archie Sonic couldn't beat UI Goku is stupid as well cuz he could've been referring to post Genesis Wave Archie Sonic and not Pre Genesis Wave, cuz that's the one that the series ended on.
      Just like how Miyamoto said that Mario is just like Mickey Mouse, he's like a cartoon character, in some moments he's shown doing some amazing feat and in the next he couldn't, same how Sonic has some inconsistencies, like how he could barely outrun the black hole in Colors, but easily does it in Shuffle.

    • @Dragonnotfound_
      @Dragonnotfound_ 10 місяців тому +9

      ​@@NRPG64Bro tryna be respectful in this reply but he then he said "L Debunk Lmao"

  • @Magaleg
    @Magaleg 10 місяців тому +6

    Mario can't beat sonic
    Sonic is too fast, no matter what ability Mario has sonic can simply dodge it
    Mario may have a quick reaction time 14:51
    But sonic is faster than the speed of light, fast enough to travel through time
    Mario loses.

    • @NRPG64
      @NRPG64 10 місяців тому +5

      Mario has reacted to light speed things before. Lasers, lighting and he piloted Starship Mario who can travel through space-time in order to reach unknown worlds.

    • @shinyxz9
      @shinyxz9 10 місяців тому +3

      ​@@NRPG64I was literally about to comment something similar

    • @Waddle_dee_edits
      @Waddle_dee_edits 10 місяців тому +4

      "Sonic is to fast" basically every sonic fan argument on why sonic beats mario

    • @BowserEditz
      @BowserEditz 10 місяців тому +2

      Mario had Irrelevant speed

    • @Magaleg
      @Magaleg 10 місяців тому +1

      Mario and sonic are equal in strength, and durability
      But speed Mario is too slow
      Sonic GOES BEYOND THE SPEED OF LIGHT
      Mario has reacted to light speed but not beyond it

  • @jdf9775
    @jdf9775 10 місяців тому

    2:23 ive played the game and what he actually said was "never back down never give up" you were right abt everything else tho

  • @shazamgamer09
    @shazamgamer09 10 місяців тому

    Long form content ty is fire

  • @MarioSonicBee
    @MarioSonicBee 10 місяців тому +13

    Considering this channel and fans has a heavy bias towards Sonic, I dont think taking this debate from this or the previous video would be a great idea. Seeing how most of the comments here just see Mario as a "normal guy" should be way more evidence I need for the clear bias.

    • @NRPG64
      @NRPG64 10 місяців тому +3

      Fr.

    • @Nick-up5wv
      @Nick-up5wv 10 місяців тому +3

      Mario is not some "regular guy " He has natural abilities; whereas Sonic always NEEDS something to enhance them.

    • @Nick-up5wv
      @Nick-up5wv 10 місяців тому +3

      @@gabsgamerthenintendofan5670 Actually Mario uses badges and items to defeat gods; at least in RPGs.

    • @Nick-up5wv
      @Nick-up5wv 10 місяців тому +1

      @@gabsgamerthenintendofan5670 Not entirely. Sorry.

    • @Nick-up5wv
      @Nick-up5wv 10 місяців тому

      @@gabsgamerthenintendofan5670 That's true. The fact that he DOESN'T need them while Sonic does only PROVES to Sonic fans WHY Mario can endure and is not "just a regular human."🙄

  • @sockdoling
    @sockdoling 10 місяців тому +3

    No hate but
    I was going to say even before you kinda talked about this(this is the first video I watched a video on this back and fourth ):
    Let's say there both in base form they're going to hit they're bosses about as hard as each other, but sonic going at a velocity of like 2000 m\s is going to hurt a lot more. think of it as a trampoline, if you just stand and jump you might jump high, but if you jump again you're going to jump higher off a bounce because you have velocity and when you land you're putting more pressure on the trampoline, it's going to try and exploit that pressure back out which will make you jump higher. he should know that he sounds like 16-25 maybe, and I'm not even a teen. I hope that maybe this helped some people understand that argument he makes about velocity a bit more.

    • @sockdoling
      @sockdoling 10 місяців тому

      Also sonic vs Kirby will be fire I love Kirby and he can travel at the speed of light on the warp star and actually be consistent in space but then if sonic doesn't let him get to the warp star it will be different, I could go on for hours but I don't think you want to read a Kirby dictionary so I'll just say that until the vid comes out.

    • @Nick-up5wv
      @Nick-up5wv 10 місяців тому

      Kirby just absorbs Sonic into his blackwhole like mouth, craps him out, and than copies and uses his own superspeed against him. Unless Sonic can beat Sonic he loses.

    • @sockdoling
      @sockdoling 10 місяців тому +1

      But Kirby can't ubsorb big enemy's, objects etc. Trust me I love Kirby, but I'll admit Kirby has to play his cards right to beat sonic, it's very possible though.

    • @Nick-up5wv
      @Nick-up5wv 10 місяців тому

      @@sockdoling What about that game where he sucked in a tree several times his own size? It was on the 3DS, but I forget what it was called. Also he absorbs large characters in SMASH; if you wanted to count that as well.

    • @sockdoling
      @sockdoling 10 місяців тому

      @@Nick-up5wv in smash he's not his cannon hight cuz his hitbox would be too small, he's 8 inch's you know. That tree is in a world where everything is smaller than in the real world, the tree is smaller than sonic. plus saying Kirby is in the process of getting the hypernova form sonic could outrun Kirby and/or get the chaos emeralds. Kirby is my favorite Nintendo character, but going off of facts it's not in Kirby's favor.

  • @RP_4B
    @RP_4B 10 місяців тому +1

    20:05 Also, in 06 he wants to travel with his friends. Not all of his friends are fast enough to time travel

    • @Nick-up5wv
      @Nick-up5wv 10 місяців тому

      In regurds to time travel Mario's friends can ALL keep up.

  • @UltraBeast_GX
    @UltraBeast_GX 5 місяців тому

    Earthbound music had me sleepy, the song at the start is snowman remix from smash

  • @jacknite625
    @jacknite625 10 місяців тому +9

    finally SOMEONE THAT KNOWS SONICS TRUE POWER

  • @SltrSam
    @SltrSam 10 місяців тому +10

    Here’s my thoughts. There is no clear winner. Each Mario being different can change the battlefield drastically depending on which Mario is fight sonic. Plus how about outside the video games. Archie sonic is different from the games. Movie Mario is also different from the games. This fight depends on which versions of the characters are battling.

    • @N0SK96
      @N0SK96 10 місяців тому

      They are talking about the games though, the modern ones

    • @Nick-up5wv
      @Nick-up5wv 10 місяців тому

      BOTH have exceptional abilities to counter one another.

  • @sonicman4367
    @sonicman4367 10 місяців тому

    I think that the Mario Spinoffs are canon (excluding crossovers & PM) but the incosistiences are just gameplay aspects like the fall damage from mario 64 not being in other games, & the black hole in mario party is just a game or stage performance by the mario characters.

  • @kinglycrimson
    @kinglycrimson 10 місяців тому

    7:22 not to mention sonic ran through multiple dimensions to get home

  • @Uesr2004D
    @Uesr2004D 10 місяців тому +4

    so does it mean that ever sonic is the same sonic two?

    • @capone6716
      @capone6716 10 місяців тому +1

      CLASSIC SONIC IS LITTERALY MORDEN SONIC BUT *YOUNGER* ☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️

    • @Uesr2004D
      @Uesr2004D 10 місяців тому

      @@capone6716 what about other sonic's Universe?
      Edit: Sonic Boom, Sonic X, Sonic Forces, Sonic Prime, Sonic movie are the same Sonic?

    • @capone6716
      @capone6716 10 місяців тому

      @user-pv9vx9nz1s he wasnt talking about prime, Boom, x, or movie. And forces IS main timeline sonic

  • @AdilCD1
    @AdilCD1 10 місяців тому +5

    FUN FACT:
    You know mario and sonic are actually best friends
    It was only the past when sega and nintendo had a console war
    Now sega worked with Nintendo

    • @90abonnessansvideosdu42
      @90abonnessansvideosdu42 10 місяців тому

      No

    • @90abonnessansvideosdu42
      @90abonnessansvideosdu42 10 місяців тому

      Proof?

    • @sonicfanboy3375
      @sonicfanboy3375 10 місяців тому +1

      ​@@90abonnessansvideosdu42The Olympics games

    • @AdilCD1
      @AdilCD1 10 місяців тому

      @@90abonnessansvideosdu42
      google it

    • @Nick-up5wv
      @Nick-up5wv 10 місяців тому +2

      With? For? You know. The war's over and Nintendo came out on top. THAT is why Mario beats Sonic.😉

  • @LJanimate
    @LJanimate 10 місяців тому

    Dang i didnt think the debate was still going

  • @FireFlowerDav1d
    @FireFlowerDav1d 3 місяці тому

    Hey tyler! so could you make a video of mario (after wonder) vs sonic (After frontiers)