Finally!! the PERFECT Landscape Photography FILTERS?
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In this week’s episode, we discuss the perfect landscape photography filters? I've been using filters from early on throughout my journey with photography and one of the biggest issues I've had with them, is not the quality of the filters themselves, rather the time it takes to install them when you're on-location. Lets face it, when conditions are rapidly unfolding before you, the last thing you want to do is mess about with filters, trying to strap them onto the end of your lens. And from my experience, when things aren't easy to use, you don't use them and when things are easy to use, you use them! I hope you enjoy this week's video and as always thanks so much for watching! - Mark D.
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These look easy to use, but I could see the attachment points on them wearing over time from all the pushing/pulling. Maven filters with the stronger magnets are by far the best I've used. It would take something awfully special to get me to consider anything else.
Agreed. When the rubber gasket was brought up the first thing I thought of was longevity.
@@chrissnyder4439 It looks like some type of rubber, but don't quote me - I could be wrong.
Yeah, anything that depends on friction is dealing with a moving target as the mating surfaces age and wear. Hmmm...
The concern over the gasket that holds it on is something I share. I think the magnets would be less apt to fail. Even if it is a vinyl or something similar it will wear pretty quickly. I would be interested to see a followup in 6 months or so to see if that wear is starting to become noticeable.
@@lphilpot01 Along with just age and normal wear, I also question how it holds up in extreme weather
I'm using the slide in filters and I love them it helps me to slow down and think about the shot.
I bought few weeks ago the KASE REVOLUTION MAGNETIC CIRCULAR FILTERS and I love them a lot. So easy to use and the magnetic is very strong.
How is the vignette ?
Did you buy a diameter larger than the lens, as Kase recommends, to avoid vignetting?
Thanks for the video Mark! I followed your advice a while ago and bought the Nisi V6 system and have been very happy with it. Easy to use and well built!
Always appreciate you doing intentional gear reviews instead of reviewing everything and anything
This came a couple of months to late. I stopped using my v7 kit for the very reason you are talking about. I bought the Kase magnetic system Love it. Easy to use, very high quality. The filters are very thin. I can stack 2 filters (all I have) on my 20-35 @20mm with no vignetting. Also, you can use the oem lens hood. The NISIs look like the rims are a bit deeper. Doesn’t look like you can use the lens hood with them.
I switched from the Nisi filter system to the Freewell Pro magnetic system a few years ago. With this change I managed to downsize from a bulky case to a much smaller case of 5 filters (4 Nd and a cpl). The quality of these magnetic filters is awesome and results are ever so amazing. Ease of use, much less space required in your backpack, and best of all, the end result is similar or maybe even better.
Did you get the M2?
Cheers Mark , i'm a long time nisi user and when the swift range first released i was excited to see the photo version . Glad to see it finally on the way not sure why they have been so late to the party. looking forward to upgrading my set to this hopefully they get you a CP to test as well i'm assuming it will be their true color version which goes really well. And be good if they just came with a colored hard clip on case like you could get with the threaded style so you just threaded into a cap save taking the big hard case on hikes.
i recently switched to the kase magnetic system. reduced my filter kit to the essentials only and couldn't be happier
Awesome - less is more!
Mark I appreciate your honesty when reviewing. I'd be interested in what you think of the polarizer and how it integrates with the ND filters.
Really helpful even-handed review. Great info!
Thanks for sharing Mark. I stopped using ND filters for pretty much the same reason. Usually just go with a CPL. But I do really like the result with the photo you shared so maybe its time to looks at this again. Safe travels.
Hey Mark! Great video! So cool you used the photo as "Es Pont d'en Gil" in Menorca. Love it!
Thanks so much! It’s one of my favs from the camp✌️
I only look for new filter systems if my current system is not working efficiently and effectively and currently that is not the case. I am using the Kase K100 K-8 system and have been for a few years with no issues and no color cast concerns. The magnetic polarizer is my favorite polarizer, so far and no sweat attaching the slide in holder or slide in grad filters. I am satisfied completely at this time. Thanks for sharing
Agree with the core concept - if they are easy to use, they will get used. One other logistical consideration: with magnetic, I can still (when desired) use a lens hood without fuss. One finger to push the filter on, one finger to lift it off. Not sure how you would use a lens hood with these if you need 3-4 fingers to push them on/take them off - unless you continually remove the hood when changing filters. Not an issue for everyone, but thought I would mention it. And I've never met a piece of plastic that didn't wear out/break off.
Great review, I've been looking at these and the Maven magnetic filter system
Thank ya!
Mark, very informative. You are so right on ease of use and actual use. Happens to me all the time. One question, do the round filters have any room for grad filter integration? Maybe that is the advantage the the glass style have over the "quick connect" round filters.
Another great video! Looking forward to more!
Thanks Bud! I doubt there will be and GND integration with this setup
I switched from Nisi V6 (I hate this holder very much) to Kase Armour - best magnetic holder you can get for square filters, but finally I ended up with just magnetic circular ND + CPL filters Kase Wolverine - they are so much more comfortable to use and take much less space in my bag than holder with big filters for it.
Hi, Jim from NiSi - magnets have the problem of getting dirty in the field due to many soils having iron. Once you get that on the magnets, they're impossible to clean. Also, the weight of magnets and the strength of the magnets decrease in time.
If the Nisi Swift gasket wears down over time, does Nisi cover that under warranty?
Thanks, Mark. You're absolutely right, filters can be a pain to use. Currently, I'm using Kase magnetic filters but will keep NISI filters in mind.
I went the Kase Revolution route (magnetic filters). Really happy with them. Much more practical than the screw on version.
Check with NISI to see if they have a back cap for your filter stack. Obviously there is a front cap. Then you could put the stack in anything. I use Freewell and there is a front and back filter cap where I can just toss a stack of filters in anywhere. Freewell certainly has its issues (no color coding, magnets could be stronger, magnetic cap will fall off in a shoulder bag and are hard to get off with a hood etc), but the front and back cap with stacking is a really nice feature. The pressure fit may have an advantage over magnetic filters in that they do eventually lose their potency. Can you use the manufacturer’s lens cap with the NISI filters?
I am using Formatt HiTech Filters, they work great, but I do agree with you Mark. Getting everything setup just to take the shot can be "time consuming" and there have been many times I have just didn't want the aggravation so I took the shot with no filters......
Hey thanks for the video mark ! How do the filters do with vignetting ? That’s been a huge issue with filters in the past
Thanks Mark! I'm quite happy that you're not that gear-driven in your videos. There are more than enough channels covering that. The filters are interesting nonetheless. I always carry a set of circular filters with me, but hardly use them.
That’s what I figured as well! Plenty of other gear focused channels that do it much better than I.
@@MarkDenneyPhoto I do not necessarily agree with this statement. I think you do a fine job. Your style of video and content just does not rely on gear, what IMHO many of us appreciate.
Very interesting! I would assume there is no way to include a graduated ND in this set. So, if you purchased the NiSi Swift system, you would still need a separate system if you wanted to use a graduated ND, especially on a 1/3 - 2/3 horizon shot. Is that correct? Thanks!
Great review! I use Kase magnetic and I see one issue with a push on. When I add a filter when the camera is set up on tripod pushing on could effect the position of the camera (move it). The magnetic does not cause movement.
Thank you Mark for the clip, just wonder is this ND10 has any color cast /tint ? on the photo if so can you edit in LR ?
I really like your image. Nice shot.
Sound advice Mark 🤙 lovely image 👍🏻
Thank ya Tom! Hope you're doing well my man!
As a KASE magnetic system user, there are some issues I have. I bought adaptor rings, and magnetic lens covers (at great epense) for each of my main lenses, so as to have fast interchangeability of my filters. Works fine except (a) the lens hoods don’t fit with the adaptor rings fitted; (b) I’ve had the filters detach from the adaptor ring when stacked with two filter and a lens cap (carrying to a new composition), because of insufficiently strong magnetism, and (c) when I have the polariser and graduated filters stacked, it is really difficult to rotate one and not the other. I’d be interested to know how the Swift system is by comparison.
Hello Mark, many tks for your tip with those new Nisi Filters. I have the traditional (square) Nisi filters, but I wonder if you with those new you can get/mount a ND filter when you want to dark only the upper part of the view. I guess not.
I have a set of Formatt Hi-tech firecrest filters. They use the holder system. I chose that brand because they don't have a color cast. I only use the ND filter and the polarizer now since I learned how to blend my exposures. One of my fears of using the magnetic kind is it falling off if you bump the lens hard. This system looks like it might be more secure.
Cool system, thanks for sharing. The one thing keeping me from jumping to the circular NDs for still photography is the graduated ND's, how do you position a graduated HD horizontally like with a traditional filter holder? For example, shooting a sunset or mountain scape.
0:40 Awesome capture of Romsdalen and the Trolls ✌
Hi Mark,
I stopped using filters a few years ago. I should reconsider. Regarding gears, a while (6-7 months?) ago, you suggested the Aspen Ballhead. I pre-ordered it. Today's video reminded me I haven't heard from the company. Do you have any insight into their back-order status?
Thank you Mark
Glad to do it!
Liking my Maven cpl and nd filters
Very well put together Mark. I am hoping that NiSi will at some point hop on the magnetic bandwagon for both circular and square filters. It really will be in their best interest. A lot of people using all kinds of filter brands are jumping ship to Kase for that reason.
That's not to say that the NiSi lineup isn't absolutely fantastic but as you say, it chews up so much time getting it all set up and in many light situations you only get a window of a few minutes. The tech is getting dated and speed is key
I have the square filters k and f conserp...very happy
I went the Kase magnetic circular filter system. Simmilar principle.
I love the NiSi filter system. I don't use it as much as I should, but they have great products.
Indeed!
There will be yet another filter system introduced in the next 12-18 months that will be the "perfect" filter system for landscape photography. Thanks for the video. 🙂
Of course! Glad to do it David
Great photo! I would like to see the "shove the camera, lens with filter in and out of the bag test". My magnetic filters fall off, including the magnetic lens cap. Always have to watch I don't lose them. Yes, I should pack them away everytime I pack away my camera, but it's a pain.
Hey Mark, I have a question regarding the graduated filters that you said you don’t use. I totally agree with you that they are not the best in terms of practicalities. So if you shoot with multiple exposures and blend them, you kind of replace the graduated filters, no? Or am I wrong to think like that? Great video and great channel. Thank you so much.
Hey Mark, whats the thickness of these NISI filters and adapters?
Hello and thank you from Milton Keynes
Welcome!
I have the old NISI system with there adpter, your're right pain in the you no what..They are true to color, I will say that..I Made the switch to freewell about three years ago, magnetic system. I love them, easy to use. 82 millimeter size, use the step down rings for my smaller lenses, love them. My only complaint with that system is I'm getting a little warm temp effect. What's your opinion on these new NISI system
Mark, you didn't talk about how say the 82mm would work on 67mm lenses. Is there an adapter with step down ring?
If I were you I'd try Maven filter kit as well. So you could make a comparison between the two magnetic filter kit.
These aren't magnetic rather friction based
I used to use NISI filters, but when they got a name for themselves, the price went way up on par with Lee and other big name brands. I moved to Haida because I wasn't happy with the colour cast of the other filters and even when stacked I find little to no colour cast as for convenience yes those NISI filters look the business but I'm not going to change my lenses anytime this decade to all Nikon Z mount glass for my Z8, so I'll be sticking with my Nano pro Haida M150 filters that fit my Nikon 14-24mm f2.8 g and the adapter for the 77mm thread other lenses.
I Just checked not released in New Zealand yet. Looking at it am I right that you cant use a lens hood when it is on.
I have Kase magnetic filters now. But I'm looking for a way to use lens hoods at the same time as filters. Maven will be releasing magnetic hoods to go with their filters later this year.
I tried to use these on my wide angle lens hood but they wouldn’t fit
Looks like my thread on filters are coming back ‘in’. 👍👍
Hello Mark, I too shoot with a GFX 100. My 23mm lens supports a 82mm thread. I have been in communication with Nisi and they did not recommend the round filter system to avoid vignetting. I was looking at making a purchase of a Nisi system soon. I have been looking at the 95mm swift system. What do you think about this strategy? Many thanks George
Do you have a link to the swift filters?
I love the system,I think I,d miss not being able to use grad filters
Fiddly is a good word. 🎻 Nice shots! 👍
Hahha!
I guess you could use filter caps instead of the case, my concern with this system is the rubber sleves that hold the filter on wearing out or detreating over time, I think a filter with a magmetic system would be a much wiser investment
What the difference with the NISI adapter and step up rings? What isn’t that the same or similar to the older type. Stacking the filters may be easier, but overall I think its about the same! Geoff
I really like that they took the rubber gasket approach instead of using magnets. I am using a magnetic set myself and one thing that I brought up that I haven't seen discussed is the possible issue of all these magnets and memory cards. Now, no, I haven't had any issues with my cards. I take the practice of storing my extra cards in a pack pocket away from my filters. They are using magnets in case closures that I just don't use. I just err on caution.
SD cards use flash memory. There's nothing magnetic in flash memory, so for all intents and purposes, a magnet won't affect it at all.
@@jefferycampbell2243 What about other things, such as auto-focus, vibration reduction, etc.?
Exquisite picture 👍
Many thanks
The magnet is normally in the adapter ring and not the filters themselves on this type of kit so that is not the reason why they didn't use it. I would say more the fact they won't get knocked off so easily as I have had happen with my Haida magnetic set.
Just what I need! Thanks Mark! What are the filters called? Can’t find them when googling 😅
It's NiSi's Swift Filter System the Solid ND collection however they aren't available yet.
Any update if this is available to buy now?
I have the Nisi V5 ( for my 14-24 lens) and V7 (for everything else. Like you said the more effort to use the less likely to use. Don’t get me wrong though, I love the Nisi filters for their lack of color cast.
I have a question as to what material is the ring around the glass made of?
I’m not 100% certain honestly but I can attest it’s a super light weight material and feels very durable.
Hi Mark. No disrespect meant but… You started the video showing a graduated filter and I spent the entire time looking to see how they would deal with a graduation in a circular filter. The benefit of the older system you started with is that the long rectangular graduated filter can be slid in to place the graduation just where it’s needed. I don’t see how a circular system can ever beat that. What are your thoughts? You did kind of intimate that you would still be carrying the old system as well in the pouch you showed.
Nice! I use the Maven magnetic and love their ease of use. Would you please make a video on how you calculate exposure and optimal shutter speed sunrise/sunset when deciding what nd filter to use?
Apps like PhotoPills can make those calculations for you.
I agree with using PhotoPills. Sometimes I just go based on past experience. With the Maven filters, it's easy to change them out if you calculate incorrectly or if you need to change after the sun sets.
How does one use graduated filter with these round filter set-ups?
In a webinar a while back Nisi did explain why they will not use magnets. I wish I could remember why but I don't. May have had something to do with when you separate magnetic filters they can be a little "stuck" together and when they release they can go flying if your not expecting it. When you find a perfect case let us know. that is the one thing I do not like about my Nisi system, the case is very bulky.
Yeah they've always had bulky cases going back 8 years ago when I first started using them.
I've used both Kase and Maven magnetic filters and I'm not thrilled with either system. It's not the quality, that's great. It's the magnets. People say how much stronger the magnets on Maven filters are but I find them only marginally better, if that, than Kase. The problem is one little bump or brush something and off they come. I'm not rough with my gear either. It's too expensive. It's such a pain I'm considering going back to screw on filters. The Nisi system looks cool but I'm not sure it would be any better. Plus, I think the gaskets may wear out over time. Thanks though Mark for a great video. I will give Nisi a look when they become available.
Yeah it seems those that have used a magnetic system are split on it's effectiveness.
HI Bill - Michael here. One easy way to remedy this accidental bump-age issue is to use a lens hood. I understand the desire to shoot and carry without a lens hood, but we measured the MAVEN magnets to be strong enough that the filters cannot be "shaken" off of a lens, it requires direct contact. So if you have a lens hood on and cannot bump them, they are 10x more secure. Best wishes! Michael
Do you get lens flare with multiple ND filters on?
Seems like a reasonable approach to attaching nd filters ; however, it does not resolve the issue of attaching variable nd filters. Chances are you're going to use them too, so you might as well have a total system. I think the magnetic systems offer a complete method of attaching both types.
How is a CPL incorporated into this system?
Far from a huge deal, but the link to your Fujifilm "Big Camera" brings up an older/different model than the GFX 100S that you have here in the video (top-right filter wheel is present, and yours has the display screen only). Wasn't sure if you realized- and if it was me, I would rather know it :-) Thanks for the informative post; you definitely have some great & helpful works you put up
Will these filters vignette on my 14-30mm nikkor z lens?
I have the Kase Wolverine set and their magnets aren’t as strong as I’d like. I’ve had the CPF fall off. Luckily it was found and undamaged. The Nisi connection system appeals to me…snugger is more better!
For sure - snugger is much better!
Looking for this system online - if they are out now, will someone please provide a link / much appreciated!
How about kase magnetic filters? I saw the similar model in Kase store.
What are these NISI filters called?? I am waiting for the release
Cokins were easy to use although you needed the adapter... like they all do
How do they work with graduated filters
🌟QUICK QUESTION: What type of filters do you use, Square or Circular?
Maven magnetic circular. Don't like the idea of gradient filters applying something permanently to my images prior to post-processing when it's so easy these days to do it in post.
@@DaveBerthiaume 100% agree with you Dave - a destructive workflow.
Im looking at investing into polarpro summit kit.
I have a circular Formatt Hitech Firecrest 16 stop ND filter. I seldom use it. I should've bought a 3 and 6 stop instead. I also have a couple polarizers.
I have Blue Frog square filter kit and like it. If I am planning a particular shot I am pretty quick to get things attached. And they have a really slim 3 filter case which is great.
Looks very similar to KASE REVOLUTION FILTERS, but it's magnetic function. I think this would be better.
One point I did not get is.. is there and adapter ring?
Example.. I buy the biggest ring size to be able to use them on all my lenses.. is there in adapter ring? To be able to use the widest filter system on my smallest lense..
Yes - the kit comes with an adaptor ring
I don't think the time of day is what caused the magenta color - I have the same issue with my NiSi square filters even if I do not photograph in the evening/ early morning.
Maybe a question on who has the patent on using magnets to attach filters
I don't think any one company does as many offer this type of setup
Agree that Maven filters are the best
Michael did a great job with them!
What the filter system in your video called? Thanks.
Its the Solid ND Swift system from NiSi, however they aren't available yet.
Mark, you are comparing two different types of filters: split filters and "total" filters. Is it fair? How do you want to achieve the effect of darkening part of the scene with a circular filter?
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I'm on a tight budget, I just need to buy a polarizer and an nd filter.
At the end of the day - that's all you really need IMO
What I like about your channel is the focus on photography rather than gear. Just my opinion.
I love magnetic systems but I am not fond of ND variable.
I just don't see any benefit of this over magnetic filter holders. When they are new, it requires some force to push them on (not good if you want to stack pictures with and without filters) and it is easy to only push only one half in proper. Once it wears with age I am not convinced of the holding power anymore. With all these downsides, there must be some major benefits, and I don't see any.
The problem is, rubber wears out and perishes relatively quickly, magnets not so much.
I’m not invested in either system, so my scepticism is honest. I use a mix of screw-on and push-in filters. I can’t justify the hundreds of extra £’s on these fancy systems…I mean…come on, how many seconds do they actually save and what’s the rush?
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The only filter I need is a polarizer.
They do look easy to use not as good as magnetic filter as a magnetic filter stays magnetic, I may be wrong but I think these filters will wear as time goes on and they may have a tendency to fall off.
I liked the smooth water but not the clouds.
In my experience anything that easy to attach will also be too easy to knock off. Be nice if I'm wrong.
I sent them a msg on their website. We'll see what they say.
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