I have the same model with an OS GT22 up front. It fly's like a dream. CG is so important, and I always start with CG forward of the recommended position. Once the model is sorted you can slowly move CG back to make life more interesting. Nothing new here with my comments.
As always, a great job filming this bitter sweet video Walter. One one hand, you catch the flight from beginning to end with a clear view of the impact. One the other hand, the pilot ends up losing a very nice plane. I'm sure he was bummed. Sorry for his loss.
O aeromodelo em questão é um Bücker. Deve ser voado em escala com o real e não como uma "vaca doida" como mostra o vídeo. Deve ser tratado com carinho e respeito, com manobras lentas e reais.
@@TheSakamura On this model, the manual states the C of G to be 180mm aft of the leading edge on the top wing. This IS too far aft! I know this from personal experience of flying this model!! My Seagull Jungmeister now flies well with C of G set at 160mm aft of the leading edge of the top wing at the centre section. This places the balance just aft of the rear cabane struts. To obtain this position, it may require a fair amount of lead ballast to be added forward of the F1 engine mount bulkhead. The tail end of this model needs to be kept as light as possible. I swapped out the heavy mild steel rudder and elevator pushrods in favour of lght weight carbon fibre tube alternative parts. Install servos and batties as far forward as you possibly can....take a hint from the wise! The model requires good aileron differential to counter adverse yaw. ie about 35% down aileron to 65% up aileron when setting up the model on the bench. This can be done mechanically on the model or electronically on the transmitter. I have also mixed in 10% rudder action to aileron input. This helps counter adverse yaw and saves having to manually input rudder during circuit type flying. I use 40% negative (Futaba radio) expo on the elevator and ailerons. 70% negative expo has been applied to the rudder to avoid harse inputs when taking off or landing. An ASP/SC/Magnum 180FS series nitro engine powers my model using 10-15% nitro content. The size and weight of this engine adds badly needed weight to the front of the model and gives a relaxed and low noise signature for general flying. The excess of power is useful in upward flight and aerobatic flying. I`ve replaced the oversized and blunt profiled wooden interplane struts with light weight profiled aluminium alternatives. This reduces aerodynamic profile drag and looks much better to the eye. Sadly Seagull often misplace C of G location in their build/user manuals which can lead to flying issues. They also, in my opinion, overbuild the tail ends of their models leading to many models being assembled which finish up being tail heavy. It is always sensible to personally recalculate the C of G position on any Seagull or any other makers kits because it may be badly specified in the builders manual. Seagull just don`t seem to get this vital issue sorted! I have eleven Seagull models in my collection. All have more forward C of G positioning than stated in their builders manuals. Once corrected, the models usually fly nicely. Its a case of being diligent when putting a kit together and being suspicious of stated C of G location. Kits are of reasonable quality but frequently require some reworking to become good reliable flyers. Buying and assembling such kits is just the starting point. Expect to have to rework some aspects of a model before it flys well. No pain, no gain. Put extra time and effort into your model and you will get it to fly acceptably.
@mikekennedy389 that is a brilliant explanation for this bucker.. Lucky i paid half price for my kit..and a really cheap saito fg33r3 to balance this bird..i shall be able to fly scale on low rpm and still not need the engines max power for aerobatics..i hope i didn't just over power this plane ..but will see how it goes..plenty of vids with this combo flying real nice
At the club I belong to when a pilot declares he is experiencing difficulties with control, it's all planes and hands on deck, as he may need the entire sky, tarmack to land or crash safely. Other planes in the air can become collateral damage and cause injury themselves. Several eyes, thoughts prayers are better than one. Seems that's not a universal thing. Was a nice model, I hope it was not a total mess. thanks for sharing!
Doesn't look tail heavy to me. More like the rudder got locked in a deflected position (Yawing left) that's why the pilot was constantly flying in knife edge.
@@Airguardian Just pause the video at different moments and see closely. I don't think I noticed the rudder moving from the center position at all during the whole flight.
I Think The Pilot Did a Remarkable Job To Keep That Airplane in The Air As Long As He Did,,, Sorry For The Loss,,, Great Video,,,, Love Them "Wavemasters",,,, As I Was Once One,,,,
I assume that this is an RC plane. Seagull? Unfortunately, Seagull is still trying to put thin airfoils on its scale planes. They need a lot of airspeed to fly, and longer props with a lot of power would have been much better. The entire flight looked as if the plane was on the stalling point. And there is nothing "light" about the flight of a lot of the Seagull scale ARFs. An EME 35cc gas engine with 17 pounds of thrust probably would have flown the plane.
After watching for about ten seconds this looks like an RC airplane to me. The engine sounds wrong; I've seen and heard actual Bucker Youngmiesters fly and this thing sounds more like a weed whacker than a real aircraft.
is this is seagull Bu 133? I have the seagul model and it flies exactly like this is video! and my CG is on the right position!! This is really crap of airplane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Me too had a seagull bu131 and it flew similar..but I thought it was because I did not use the wires on my wings. I think this plane is smaller than seagulls type.
was that model under control at any point during the flight?
I have the same model with an OS GT22 up front. It fly's like a dream. CG is so important, and I always start with CG forward of the recommended position. Once the model is sorted you can slowly move CG back to make life more interesting. Nothing new here with my comments.
The crash was average... the flight was hideous! :-)
As always, a great job filming this bitter sweet video Walter. One one hand, you catch the flight from beginning to end with a clear view of the impact. One the other hand, the pilot ends up losing a very nice plane. I'm sure he was bummed. Sorry for his loss.
this plane is a pease of shit ,really crap I have the same one and it flies reeeeealy bad,just like this in video....btw my CG is on right position !
O aeromodelo em questão é um Bücker. Deve ser voado em escala com o real e não como uma "vaca doida" como mostra o vídeo. Deve ser tratado com carinho e respeito, com manobras lentas e reais.
@@TheSakamura
On this model, the manual states the C of G to be 180mm aft of the leading edge on the top wing. This IS too far aft! I know this from personal experience of flying this model!!
My Seagull Jungmeister now flies well with C of G set at 160mm aft of the leading edge of the top wing at the centre section. This places the balance just aft of the rear cabane struts. To obtain this position, it may require a fair amount of lead ballast to be added forward of the F1 engine mount bulkhead.
The tail end of this model needs to be kept as light as possible. I swapped out the heavy mild steel rudder and elevator pushrods in favour of lght weight carbon fibre tube alternative parts. Install servos and batties as far forward as you possibly can....take a hint from the wise!
The model requires good aileron differential to counter adverse yaw. ie about 35% down aileron to 65% up aileron when setting up the model on the bench. This can be done mechanically on the model or electronically on the transmitter. I have also mixed in 10% rudder action to aileron input. This helps counter adverse yaw and saves having to manually input rudder during circuit type flying.
I use 40% negative (Futaba radio) expo on the elevator and ailerons. 70% negative expo has been applied to the rudder to avoid harse inputs when taking off or landing.
An ASP/SC/Magnum 180FS series nitro engine powers my model using 10-15% nitro content. The size and weight of this engine adds badly needed weight to the front of the model and gives a relaxed and low noise signature for general flying. The excess of power is useful in upward flight and aerobatic flying.
I`ve replaced the oversized and blunt profiled wooden interplane struts with light weight profiled aluminium alternatives. This reduces aerodynamic profile drag and looks much better to the eye.
Sadly Seagull often misplace C of G location in their build/user manuals which can lead to flying issues. They also, in my opinion, overbuild the tail ends of their models leading to many models being assembled which finish up being tail heavy. It is always sensible to personally recalculate the C of G position on any Seagull or any other makers kits because it may be badly specified in the builders manual. Seagull just don`t seem to get this vital issue sorted!
I have eleven Seagull models in my collection. All have more forward C of G positioning than stated in their builders manuals. Once corrected, the models usually fly nicely. Its a case of being diligent when putting a kit together and being suspicious of stated C of G location. Kits are of reasonable quality but frequently require some reworking to become good reliable flyers. Buying and assembling such kits is just the starting point. Expect to have to rework some aspects of a model before it flys well.
No pain, no gain. Put extra time and effort into your model and you will get it to fly acceptably.
@mikekennedy389 that is a brilliant explanation for this bucker..
Lucky i paid half price for my kit..and a really cheap saito fg33r3 to balance this bird..i shall be able to fly scale on low rpm and still not need the engines max power for aerobatics..i hope i didn't just over power this plane ..but will see how it goes..plenty of vids with this combo flying real nice
@@mikekennedy389 really much good info, thank you sir. Maidened mine with 180mm and gling for 160now.
Fg33r3
nothing about that flight looked good at all.
bad bad "pilot"....
At the club I belong to when a pilot declares he is experiencing difficulties with control, it's all planes and hands on deck, as he may need the entire sky, tarmack to land or crash safely. Other planes in the air can become collateral damage and cause injury themselves. Several eyes, thoughts prayers are better than one. Seems that's not a universal thing. Was a nice model, I hope it was not a total mess. thanks for sharing!
Let me guess, the rudder locked to the left?
Like they say, nose heavy flies poorly...tail heavy flies once.
Doesn't look tail heavy to me. More like the rudder got locked in a deflected position (Yawing left) that's why the pilot was constantly flying in knife edge.
@@Airguardian Just pause the video at different moments and see closely. I don't think I noticed the rudder moving from the center position at all during the whole flight.
that´s not a pilot, that´s a KAMIKAZE.....
I could see this comming . A very erratic flight.
What motor did you put in it I put a DLE 20 we had to move the balance in it
Was the throttle jammed open? If so was that through a radio problem as it certainly looked like it to me
I Think The Pilot Did a Remarkable Job To Keep That Airplane in The Air As Long As He Did,,, Sorry For The Loss,,, Great Video,,,, Love Them "Wavemasters",,,, As I Was Once One,,,,
it must have been built pretty well to withstand the impact as well as it did.
That landing was as good as his flying.
flew like a bag of poo , should of put it straight back down on runway
Fight up to the end. Looks like locked rudder servo but why he don´t go to the idle ale try to land early? Too late to discuss about it.
His smile deserves an award.
What happened?
I guess now we know. Don’t fly with the CG behind the trailing edge.
I think I would’ve tried to land it to get the cg corrected.
Its a tail heavy airplane. Weight and balance is incorrect.
With the way it was flying I'm surprised that it stayed in the air as long as it did
Out of balance, out of trim, out of rig... and a defective meat servo. That was a whole lot of ugly.
I assume that this is an RC plane. Seagull? Unfortunately, Seagull is still trying to put thin airfoils on its scale planes. They need a lot of airspeed to fly, and longer props with a lot of power would have been much better. The entire flight looked as if the plane was on the stalling point. And there is nothing "light" about the flight of a lot of the Seagull scale ARFs. An EME 35cc gas engine with 17 pounds of thrust probably would have flown the plane.
ARTF= Almost Ready To Fail.
Just..........Damn! What a great model, sorry to see that mate. You did your best!
You forgot to bring the bo... I mean the trash bags, so optimistic. :)
So far this airframe seems to not be forgiving at all. Head Jonathan Goudge's advice and be conservative on CG.
Tail heavy??
After watching for about ten seconds this looks like an RC airplane to me. The engine sounds wrong; I've seen and heard actual Bucker Youngmiesters fly and this thing sounds more like a weed whacker than a real aircraft.
Yeah, well the word Wavemasters gives it away as in radio waves.
He put up a good fight but lost in the end.
Ouch, that hurts.
Was glad to see it crash actually. Needed putting out of its misery! lol
Some one keyed a CB radio in the highway
I give him a 9.9
is this is seagull Bu 133? I have the seagul model and it flies exactly like this is video! and my CG is on the right position!! This is really crap of airplane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Obviously you can't fly......
Me too had a seagull bu131 and it flew similar..but I thought it was because I did not use the wires on my wings. I think this plane is smaller than seagulls type.
A bit of hot glue and it will be as good as new
Semester if the Ruder was blocked
Totally crappy flight. That’s exactly where that plane should be - in the trash.
Lawn dart....
Tail heavy + bad thumbs
Lawn Dart!
CG well off!
Tail heavy
Take up another hobby