Are You Open But Cautious About Deliverance?
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48:38 YES the sanctification process does facilitate that process of demons leaving a believers life!
They hate holiness, they don't want to remain in a cleaned out house. I think that is also a good approach to alleviate fear. The holy spirit reveals the things of the heart as we walk in the spirit of God.
I remember when I first started learning about spiritual warfare and demons it scared me because I started thinking I might have the demon of anything/everything. You know how that goes. I remember confessing every single thing I could think of all the time. even generational stuff that I "might" have. That itself became a laborious bondage and drained me spiritually and actually caused me to start to doubt the voice of God. Like genuinely questioning whether the voice I knew as God was actually the voice of God or a demon. Confusion actually came in for a while where before, I knew I could discern the spirit of God and his voice.
Finally, I just remember praying one time to the Lord b/c I was just honestly worn out...Especially because I am a person who is physically ill and have not been healed and thought it may be a demon. I remember God telling me Rebecca, if you have a demon, I'm going to tell you. I want you walking in holiness, I want you free in me and you are seeking that. Abide in me, and I will abide in you. Stop striving and just abide. Me abiding in you..... That is MY promise to my sheep. Stop thinking everything is a demon. Its not. If you have something there that you need freedom from, I will bring it to your heart and mind to confess to me. Until then, rest in me and just walk with me. That honestly helped a lot. I am still learning and I've never done a deliverance on anyone but, I know that time will come. I know God will use me for his glory. Right now, I am learning to abide in the assurance of my God and just learning to deepen relationship with him. Relationship & obedience brings the power of the holy spirit to the forefront and allows the spirit to operate fully in the believers life. Obey him daily and to rely on his spirit for direction in all things.
I loved this discussion. Thanks guys!
YES agreed. Happened to me too!
I work in a behavioral health clinic and so many clients coming in who have been cutting themselves, hearing voices, and all kinds of other behaviors. I believe that demonization is a much bigger problem than people realize.
Saw a report this morning of a ten year old girl who sees ghosts and communicates with them. Apparently, it’s something that runs in her family. I don’t necessarily think it’s a generational thing but more likely this girl has been exposed to what her mother, etc, were doing, and some abuse no doubt, and became demonized as a result. I don’t know. But she’s getting therapy now because of her behavior in school and other reasons.
You cannot tell me that these people just have a mental or behavioral issue. They are plain out demonized. Obviously not all are, but I would say, just my opinion, that at least 3/4 are. It’s heartbreaking and they aren’t getting the real help and deliverance they need. Just a bandaid and drugs to silence the loudest demons.
I did volunteer work in mental health places for 30 years. Singing gospel songs , brief preaching between songs tieing the words to the song , giving out like NIV books of John in giant print . Sorry to have to say I never much saw any big results . What a thrill it would have been to have seen people gain their right minds ! I tried to content myself with seeing folk at least gain a little encouragement , a little brightening of the eyes . Any advice or resources ?
I work as a therapist in mental health as well. I’ve talked to people who hear voices and get worried when I started to bring up biblical spirituality. One guy told me the voices threaten him when he starts to talk about the bible.
@@clocktick123 Wow, your comment brought me to tears. God saw what you did for those ppl. You'll never know the blessing of love and care you shared with those folks. It wasn't nothing. God used what you did, I'm sure of it.
coo , glad YOU could see the value
Few can .
Including myself at times .
So your encouraging words are appreciated.
Imagine being locked away , mentally ill , given pysch drugs daily , totally forgotten by society & someone comes in & actually gives you the time of day
Great resource: “They Shall Expel Demons” by Derek Prince. I think it’s one of the top resources available. He also has audio teachings. Very biblical and practical
Good to know
yeah he is a good sound biblical teacher on deliverance
We should have mentioned that resource live! Derek Prince is another good one!
@michaelmiller5024 Have you heard of Robert Clancy? He is based in South Africa or Australia and is on You Tube. There are others like him.
Yes that is an excellent book, great introduction to deliverance
great conversation, so thankful for your ministry! didn't start attending church until adulthood and proceeded to attend cessation believing churches. Brought up a family and all was well until my oldest became addicted to heroin. Unfortunately my church had no clue as to how to help. Years of prayer and struggle led me to a retired missionary pastor who performed deliverance. I do (and my son as well) believe some demons left but not all. Addiction is baffling and insidious. I remember the pastor saying "I don't believe demons cause addiction but I believe they make it much worse". I have come to believe this to be true. For years I have sought teaching on deliverance and truly as you all have said there's not a whole lot out there and some of what is ... is ridiculous. Karl Payne's book on deliverance is very balanced and so far has been a great resource. As for my son, he is experiencing the longest stretch of sobriety he has ever had (2.5 yrs). I could write a book on the ways God has sovereignly intervened in his life over the years and I have no doubt He has a plan for him. He is seeking Christ daily and as you all discussed the sanctification process makes it difficult for any demon to remain. What the enemy brought to my house for destruction God has turned around for His glory. I have seen addiction rip families apart leaving such destruction in it's wake. The deliverance pastor once told me he believes there are Christians walking around with all manners of illnesses and disorders that are connected to demons but the church today largely avoids the subject as the plague. While I agree that not everyone is oppressed I certainly believe the number is much much greater than most would readily accept. Please continue to offer thoughtful conversations on the matter as I believe it is one of the most needed subjects the church faces today.
In the book of Ephesians, there are many gifts, and I’ve been given the gift of discernment of seeing the spirit in the person. I know the world of deliverance very well
I have enjoyed this series. I believe that cessationism and a lack of good discipleship are the two biggest problems in the body of Messiah.
Demons would be more associated with compulsive behavior, not an extra cup of coffee. Invasive thoughts of sin should be dealt with by taking thoughts captive as a spiritual reality like Miller showed. The work he did sounds like he had to destroy the mental strongholds and call it what it was rather than giving it a place.
I believe believers can be oppressed but not possessed
@@jonathanhunt2872 There is not one verse in the whole Bible that tells us that a Spirit filled born-again follower of Jesus Christ can be possessed by a demon.. There are many verses talking about demons attacking Christians
Authoritative teaching on deliverance - Derek Prince
I finally caught ya’ll live and the video was nearly over 🎉😢. One of these days.
It happens! Hope it was helpful all the same! God bless!
Went to a revival meeting recently and saw a number of people being delivered for the first time after being in the Christian church for many years. Was an amazing and joyful experience to see God at work releasing people from their bondage to darkness. Been in the church for many years, first time I've seen this happening.
Based on the people's testimony, both Christians and unbelievers experienced deliverance at the meeting. Good to hear your testimonies of Christians being delivered from demonic oppression. I've also heard Sam Storms and Jack Deere relate their experiences of this happening.
Another helpful video, thanks. Loved the closing remarks. Need the Spirit's power as well as good doctrine.
Great conversation, as always! Super excited for the channel to hit 100K!
The Bondage Breaker by Neil Anderson is an excellent resource.
I think human beings can be sinful enough without any help from demons. That is why we are held responsible.
Wonderful segment! You all presented it quite well 🙏🙌✝️❤️🩸
Alexander Pagani, John eckhart, derek prince, isaiah saldivar, mike signorelli, and vlad suvcheck are all good resources
The strong man is the devil- NOT the Holy Spirit.
““When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are safe. But when someone stronger attacks and overpowers him, he takes away the armor in which the man trusted and divides up his plunder.”
Luke 11:21-22
Josh- please look into this- you reference this verse constantly, referring to the strong man as the Spirit when the context shows this is the devil. I am willing to be debated on this, but there is NO force stronger than the spirit- Jesus is explaining that he would have to be STRONGER than the devil in order to drive out his possessions and disarm him.
Amen's ministry I'm part of experienced a guy who had a demon a few years ago. We were not A deliverance ministry. None of us had any experience with that. So we just instinctively took care of it with Jesus's name. It was kind of crazy.
The question is can someone indwelt with the Holy Spirit also be demonized. Old Testament people did not have the Holy Spirit indwelling them. That is the question people are asking that we need to be able to definitively answer.
Look up Jenny Weaver testimonial. She left a life of witchcraft. She called out to Jesus to save her. She considered herself saved and spirit filled. But later happen to attend a deliverance service. Where 2 or 3 demonic spirits were cast out.
So it may matter about what a person did before becoming a Christian.
Correct. The answer to this question is at the core. On one hand I see plenty of people who are christians having demons cast out but on the other hand I dont see much scripture to support that as a possibility for someone already born again or to know how to explain it
@@trueg115 Yeah this is why it is a bit difficult to discern scripturly. It does seem to be a bit ambiguous or muddled. I think there are some that could be indications of Christians having demons but, its not explicitly stated either.
@@trueg115 agreed. I spent 8 years in deliverance ministry and definitely saw Christians set free. I guess you could ask “were they true Christians?”, but honestly only the Lord truly knows that.
I think it is an important ministry, but can sometimes be a tough sell because of lack of specific Scripture supporting it.
Yes, I agree completely. I am nearly finished with this video but it seems they didn't directly address this particular question/scenario. They did in a way I suppose when Michael R stated we have a greater measure of the Holy Spirit than those in the old covenant. However, I don't know if I can agree with that. The Holy Spirit only in dwelt certain individuals in the old testament and sometimes only for specific tasks. While the Holy Spirit has always been at work, the indwelling of all believers didn't take place until Pentecost. Therefore, I think it is more accurate to say all believers now can be filled with the Holy Spirit whereas only certain people could before.
We have the example Jesus gave of the person who has a demon cast out and it goes to desolate places and ends up returning with other more wicked demons to find a clean house. That story implies if you have a demon come out and don't have anything to fill the house afterwards (the Holy Spirit), then you will be in danger of having it happen again but even worse. That would also imply if the house now has the Holy Spirit, that scenario wouldn't happen.
We also have the story of King Saul. He didn't get tormented by an evil spirit until after the Spirit of the Lord had left him. Seems very coincidental that the evil spirit didn't enter Saul until AFTER the Spirit of the Lord has left him. Saul had already disobeyed God prior to this and therefore could have been tormented by the evil spirit while the Spirit of the Lord was in him according to theory presented in this video but that isn't what happens. Not definitive proof but enough to make you question if you can have demon and the Holy Spirit in you at the same time.
I recommend Kurt E. Koch. He believed the cessation of the gifts but he had really material on deliverence. He's definitely a product of his time. Some of his working is discriminatory. So I don't agree everything he said but 80 to 90% I think his material is valid. I found it a good starting author. He has several books.
All thanks be to God above all things amen hallelujah perfect forevermore. In Ephesians 2:2 Where in times past ye walked according to the course of this world. According to the prince of the power of the air the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience.
i cannot bring myself to believe that a born again Holy Spirit sealed child of God can have demons in them. To me that is absolute blasphemy
Agreed. I believe they missed the mark on this one. The devil and his demons cannot out muscle the Holy Spirit.
Thank you so very much 🙏😊!
Above and Beyond Christian Counseling in Tampa Florida area. They have a great educational online course. Calm, non-dramatic. Great resource
You didnt mention Jesus' rebuking of his disciples for being unable to cast out a spirit from a particular individual, apparently because just asking for it to leave was not enough - it required prayer (and possibly fasting depending on which manuscript you believe).
How do you understand that particular incident, and have you come across any cases like that yourselves?
Salvation through CHRIST JESUS is what cast out demons .
Thank you, Pastors 🌹🌹🌹🌹
Bravo for this balanced, well explained discussion on deliverance ministry 👏
Do you recommend Karl Payne’s book “Spiritual Warfare”? It seems biblically based and not sensational, so I’ve appreciated it so far! But I’m new to considering these things, so I’m curious to thoughts on his book :)
I GIVE YOU AUTHORITY
by Dr Charles Kraft
THE BONDAGE BREAKER
by Neil T Anderson
Two great authors on healing and deliverance 👍
.You guys haven't really been looking very hard for resources on deliverance. Derek prince, Bob Larson I could name probably a dozen. Greg Lock, Isaiah salavar, Henry schaffer. All of these are legit.
Do you guys think its just not Gods plan for some people that they cant speak in tongues, or rather than deliverance proper may give way to a slower healing process? Because there are many men and women of God I highly respect (Dr. Michael Heiser, Elizabeth Elliot, etc) who never spoke in tongues or cast out demons in the charismatic sense but were obviously godly lovers of Jesus. Is it a one size fits all thing? Or do you think God considers a persons personality and history and just decides that maybe they will have prophetic dreams but not speak in tongues?
Please remember this, always if someone has the gift of speaking in tongues, test the spirit because you need someone to understand and translate what the person is saying when they speak in tongues, if a person speaking in tongues by themselves, it’s just pure gibberish if there’s no translator, meaningless words
@@7thheaventruthHey brother not meaningless as far as if your by yourself the Bible says it edifys you. But 100% agree a translator should be present in the Church.
Having the gift of speaking in tongues doesn’t make you a better Christian or stronger in your faith because that person may not have other great gifts like healing prophesies or discernment, if seeing spirits or gift of teaching
So when you’re speaking in tongues, and you are by yourself, then you need to make your own translation on paper and presented to the church for spiritual confirmation. If not, it just may be demonic and that’s a fact.
@@7thheaventruth Just for context. Can you sight where in the Bible it says it could be demonic tongues. I only ask because I've never read that before in the Bible. If I'm in prayer and meditating on God and his word I don't understand how a gift given by God through the spirit would just manifest demonicaly. Also I don't prescribe to the notion of if somebody has gifts he's better or more Christian. A foot can't boast to a hand ones usefulness being more important than the other. Plus we should not boast in our gifts because they are just that gifts from God. Not actually coming from just us.
I’ve gotten so confused by so many teachers. I live in Oklahoma and would visit perhaps but I’m moving to Georgia soon. My life is and has been so dysfunctional and I don’t know if it’s demonic or just me. So it’s like I definitely believe these things happen, but have a hard time believing it’ll happen for me. And I have a hard time trusting teachers now too. I don’t even know what I need anymore but deliverance. But I’m what I’m not even sure.
I’ve had dreams of demons for sure. I’ve had dreams of angels singing too. Y’all mentioned transformation church and I had been following them and many like that church. Perhaps it’s gotten me all confused now.
Yea need to stay away from churches like Transformation church. Get plugged in a good local church and grow in the community. You’re getting tossed to and fro by all sorts of doctrine
That sounds tuff .
The basics for a life of faith are
1. Word
2. fellowship
3. prayer
4. praise
5. evangelism
Working on each of these will change your life for the better . Neglecting any of these will not be good . They can never be fully mastered but they can dominate your life more + more .
Think about it .
What is mastering your life if not these ?
Is it worth anything or do you need to push out + pull in , at least in a gradual + consistent , persistent way .
Enjoy !
Trust Jesus. He who began this in you is able to finish it. Continue in prayer and trust him. You’ll find your healing.
God bless
Some today would argue that those with serious psychiatric disorders can sometimes display behaviours which Christians might view as demonic expression, but they are in fact due to their illness. How would you tell the difference?
Wonderful study. Thank you guys very much. GOD Bless you all in the Worthy Name of JESUS CHRIST. I love the fact you're in Oklahoma. Im in Hulbert OK near Tahlequah.
One of the gifts of the spirit that can be involved in casting out demons would be workings of miracles. This can be found in Mark nine I think around verse 39, where someone was casting out demons that the disciples didn’t know, and Jesus said, no man can work this miracle or power, except God be with him. In acts eight around verse six, the people gave heed to Philip the evangelist because of the miracles“which he did “, for unclean spirits, cried out with a loud voice, and they which were sick of the palsy were healed, and many that were lame were healed. So the casting out of demons, at least, in this context, is workings of miracles. Then in acts 19, God wrought special miracles through the hands of Paul, when cloths and aprons were sent out from his body, and people were healed and delivered of demons. So deliverance is referred to as a miracle at least three times in the book of acts.
Did any of y’all watch the movie Nefarious?
I don’t know how we’re… not… supposed to believe in a spiritual war with formidable enemies and a mandate from Jesus’ ministry to liberate people from that oppression
Re: deliverance in a gentler or less “dramatic” way, dr Karl Payne has a book called Spiritual Warfare where he outlines laying down ground rules for the unclean spirits before you really engage with the deliverance, in order that the deliveree and any persons in the vicinity are not traumatized, and the spirits are not permitted to go crazy.
It’s a bit prescriptive, perhaps (the final chapter is actually essentially a script you can follow, which obv I don’t love), but I think the principles seem sound. Would love your thoughts!
What we see in the bible are violent deliverances, foaming at the mouth, shouting etc
So I understand what you mean, demons can leave the body without you knowing.
BUT, if you really go for the stronger demons, and ruin their house, they will manifest themselves as they ARE. So that’s why you see the spirit manifest through the hands, eyes , etc.
And I also believe they have a right to manifest that way, because that person let them in through agreement with sin, and if it came through a generational curse, they will manifest themselves the same way.
It depends what demon it is, some cry, some shout, some are quiet.
Derek prince is great on this topic.
he was a false teacher
@@BrotherDave80 WHAT - now Derek Prince is a false teacher too!?
And always remember this, when Jesus sent them out by themselves for the first time, he gave them the gift to cast out demons first before the gift of healing
Mark 16: 17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up serpents with their hands; and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover.”
Just realized recently that in the Great Commission, after getting folks baptized, the first thing mentioned was casting out the demons.
is it a gift though?
@@debbiehill1242 you should be careful quoting the long ending of Mark as it is very likely not original to Mark.
@@debbiehill1242 but you need someone to translate the gift of tongues as the person speaking in tongues. If not, it’s just gibberish.
You need someone to translate when someone speaking in tongues
Have you guys listened to Derek Prince's teachings? If so, thoughts?
Before you start trying to mess with demonic spirits.
You need to read and study
“ The Christian In Complete Armor”..
This is a very balanced, informative, and encouraging video. Concluding comments from the hosts:
@56:22 "What I'm going to say is going to sound pretty harsh, but I actually mean this from a place of care, concern, and compassion, but I would say if you're not actually participating in casting out demons as a pastor, or that's not something you offer yourself to do (because you're open but cautious rather than ignorant and just don't know what to do), I would actually say that's a form of spiritual neglect. It is our job as pastors to be able to pray with the people in our communities to help them get free...in ways they actually really do need help and could receive deliverance for..." - Michael Miller
@57:30 The ministry of Jesus (Lk 4:18) is the ministry that God has given you. You haven't received the spirit of the Apostle Paul. You haven't received the spirit of Elijah. You've received the Spirit of Christ and His ministry is your ministry. The ministry that Jesus has is to proclaim truth, to preach the kingdom, to preach faith and repentance has been passed over to you but within that is the ministry to cast out demons has also been given to you...pray for the sick and cast out devils. It's something we ought to do, and it's something we should be embracing and asking God to lead us and guide in that space." - Joshua
@59:48 "'I'm open but cautious' is not an option. There is a way to grow in these things. We have a million videos on this. Just go through the Remnant play list we have on casting out demons...I think we try to talk about it in a responsible way...This is a compassion issue. Jack Deere's definition of the spiritual gifts is it's 'empowered love.' I want to love people like Jesus loved them. Jesus set the oppressed free, He healed the sick, and He cast out demons. Be voracious about this. Go rad, pursue it radically if you want to be Christ-like. Do it like Jesus did." - Michael Rowntree
What about Francis Macnutt?
As far as Christian being demon possessed, I believe we need to keep the categories clearly separated. Possession, oppression, footholds, and even tormented as in a thorn in the flesh.
Christian can have all but Possession. I don't see why we need to make it a point to win that Christian's can be possessed. Isn't Possession, footholds and torment bad enough?
All the arguments pre death burial and resurrection are mute. The new covenant was not established until Jesus took back ALL authority. Also, the work of the Holy Spirit was a completely new thing never experienced before. Jesus didn't say it was needful for me to go away so that the Holy Spirit can come the way he did before. The born-again experience of receiving a new spirit and receiving the baptism of the Holy Spirit is the expression of the New Covenant. I also think if you believe Christians can be demon possessed that it may be something that you want to keep yourself from keeping your brother from stumbling. Just like eating meat or drinking wine you don't want to do it in front of your brother who to him it is sin. I believe that demons can cause a physical sickness so therefore it makes sense that it would appear that it's being cast out of someone because they are throwing up or gagging. If Paul had a spirit that was tormenting him for his whole life oh, I don't think we can say Paul remain demon-possessed until he died. Pretend to take the scripture for what it says a evil spirit was given to him to torment him and keep him humble. We don't have to understand completely everything about God and the spirit realm we walk by faith. Our faith is in Jesus not in our understanding.
When it comes to generational curses, that seems to me to be demonic, strongholds within the family that goes from generation to generation to generation. A lot of times people know if that is an issue. I don’t encourage people to try to dredge up things that they don’t even know happened, but if a person has open doors that they know about, I do encourage them to renounce or to repent of them and close the doors. We are not to give place to the devil. If they refuse to forgive, that’s a problem because they’ll be handed over to the tormentors. So I don’t think we should be imagining things that are that really or not, but if there are open doors, they definitely need to be closed.
Wow Rowntree just answered a question I’ve had for so long. Is it ok to raise your voice at your kids! I feel like that analogy was given for me hahaha
“Makes my children demons” 😂😂😂 “buuut I’m already in” lol
My mind wonders 💭 how does one not get a big head (secretly/internally) doing deliverance?
BC I thought I was a natural born healer while in the new age. I’m just coming out of it so I’m still in shock that I was actually doing witchcraft and unknowingly.
With my new age background when I “helped” someone I was trained to say this is not me healing you it’s you healing you but I was internally like wow I did this or I did that. I’m so proud of myself.
Do you think it’s god releasing them from oppression?
I’m obviously confused but many of the people who I listen to who have also come out of the new age like me say the charismatic movement is basically the same as the new age.
It’s so alluring that I could have someone make demons flee but why do I feel it’s attracting more
I would love your opinions!! Thank you
It would be great if you guys wrote a book on deliverance, that sticks to scripture, teaches how to do deliverance, and explains what we as Christ followers have authority to do and not do. I saw a recommendation for a prayer book which lead me to find the ministry the author is involved in. The author pastors a church that offers deliverance counseling for those who went through extreme trauma. Their focus is survivors of SA, SRA, etc that may cause dissociative identity disorder. Sounds like a good ministry but looking through the prayers on their website and listening to some teachings I hear a mixture of some things that are not in scripture and some that are. Alot of formulaic teaching. I pray that pastor hears from God and repents if he is outside of God’s will.
I’m cautious about anything I see out of Christendom. I’m also a weary about celebrity conversion stories.
The best books on deliverance are matthew mark luke john!!!
Soul Care by Rob Reimer is a good resource on breaking ground and leading to and training in deliverance
The references to the children of Israel having demons is null as the Holy Spirit had not come upon them at the time yet. Christians should not go around saying the devil made me do it.
What do you guys think about Derek Price or Frank Hammond when it comes to deliverance resources?
Derek Prince very good. Biblically sound. I don't know much about the other gentleman.
Bout time somebody talk bout this stuff with some sense
I believe Michael missed the mark in the explanation of the word “foothold” in regard to Eph.4:27. The Greek word there {topos) means an opportunity or occasion, it DOES NOT refer to “real estate/” possession or control. Only the NIV and NLT translates the word topos as “foothold.” We do not have scripture that shows a New Covenant believer having the Holy Spirit dwelling inside of them being demon possessed.
Let's perhaps choose some kinder and less condescending words. We who call Christ our savior can kindly disagree. Regarding "foothold" the same word means space or territory in other passages. We also have the passage on meat sacrificed to idols and Paul saying I do not want you to be "sharers with demons." The word there is the same for fellowship. There's enough biblical evidence as well as early church evidence to make the case so perhaps we can agree to disagree but do so with charity.
@@michaelmiller5024 I was not trying to be condescending and I apologize if that’s how I came across. I will edit my response to hopefully not appear that way because that isn’t my intent.
Please show me in scripture where a believer filled with the Holy Spirit living inside of them was demon possessed. If I am wrong I genuinely would like to be corrected so that I do not teach something false.
When looking at the gospels we must remember that Christ had not gone to the cross, the sacrifice had not been made.
Nobody like the concept of generational curses, but what if they have proven true in our experience? I appreciate the desire to not be formulaic, or get people afraid about the past that they don’t know, but the example you cited of a man who got healed of asthma, and his family member, likewise, because he renounced freemasonry is instructive, because who doesn’t have Masonry in their family line? Why not simply pray a prayer and break any potential curses it doesn’t have to be scripted…
We don’t see Jesus, breaking generational curses, but there is old testament basis for curses due to disobedience. Yes, Christ redeemed us from curses on the cross, but are all the effects of such curses automatically nullified for the new believer? Does not alcoholism, pass down family lines? Do we not notice patterns of diseases, and all kinds of problems in family lines?
Although healing and deliverance were accomplished in the cross, just like freedom from generational, curses, does not healing and deliverance, often work itself out in the life of the believer?
Unbound is a great resource
Hey guys, I really enjoy listening to you guys every week and actually I'm new to the station some listen to you everyday.. I'm feeling the Lord pulling me toward the gift of healing and I'm trying to find some good information on it but everyone around me is telling me that I'm doing it for the wrong reasons. I don't understand wrong reasons when you're doing this to glorify God. I'm looking for some books to read and things to study to help me in this gift functioning in my life if it be God's will can you please?
When a demon manifests unexpectedly is that like, God turning the spirit inside out and they should be cast out- even if the individual is not a believer?
David Diga Hernandez has some good educational videos on this topic
Great resource would be Derek Prince. Isaiah Saldivar is solid too, and he learned a lot from Derek Prince's teachings.
They had Isaiah as a guest so if they didn’t mention him that must mean something 🤷🏻♂️
I agree Derek Prince is a good one and he uses scripture.
It may just be that they didn't think of Isaiah Saldivar not that they aren't "endorsing" him in the course of the discussion.
Salvidar has teamed up with Greg Locke, Locke left his wife for his assistant and now does ministry with his new wife. Locke is unqualified and the fact that Isaiah ignores that to team up with him is major red flags!! Not saying that is why they didn't reference him but for me I struggle to listen to someone that teams up with adulterers, his discernment is clearly lacking and where else is his discernment lacking? Isaiah also takes deliverance ministry too far, saying that we need deliverance every 6 months?? Demons are constantly getting into Christians and they constantly need deliverance, this is not biblical. Do I believe Christians can de demonized, yes, but Isaiah takes it too far.
@@CesarA365 it can be tough giving an endorsement to another public figure as the Internet is forever, people can mess up or cause drama, and viewers might take your recommendation regarding a specific teaching from someone and think you sign off on everything they say. I don't have a platform to worry about and can personally recommend Prince and Saldivar as I've found them to be solid (by my standards) after 30+ hrs of teaching from either of them.
@@Grace4rever Didn't Greg Locke confess and repent for his Adultery? I could be wrong but I am pretty sure that in one of his videos he said that the Lord had humbled in many ways. I believe biblically a person can be restored even after adultery so I don't count him disqualified biblically IF he has confessed and gone through the restoration process. I could be wrong on whether he did or not though. If he hadn't then I would 100% agree with you on the unqualified point.
I've listened to Isaiah Saldivar for a long time and I've never heard him say you need deliverance every six months. Did you hear him say this directly on a video or something?
I have heard him say that you need to confess sin regularly and ask the Lord to reveal to you if there is deliverance needed.. in regards to having open doors and closing them but I've never heard a blanket statement for a regular deliverance like seeing a doctor 🤔. If he has said that then that would be a bit weird.
I will say, I am not sure I believe in things he teaches like "the spirit of Jezebel or Marine spirit or Octopus spirit or whatever other name". I think sometimes people take things or characteristics from people in the Bible where spirits are mentioned and they incorrectly infer those persons characteristics onto this "spirit". So now this "spirit" will have these characteristics and here's how you know if you have it kind of thing. I think scripturly that takes things a bit too far. We don't see scripture describing all these spirits characteristics and how to determine them. I think those things are assumed and inferred. Not sure that it is correct but I'm also not in deliverance ministry so I don't have much experience with it. I'm not sure we were meant to figure all that out, just cast them out you know?
I think sometimes experience can be presented as gospel formulas which I'm not so sure about that.
That is just my opinion though I could totally be wrong.
As far as Isaiah Saldivar's bible teaching? He is biblically sound on what I've heard 🙂
The kingdom here, now? Or the millennial kingdom to come? Or is this based “as it is in Heaven”?
I know this is anecdotal…buuuut..I’ve been around Baptist circles, AG circles, hyper charismatics, and anything in between. As a careful charismatic (or at least a continuationist) myself, I haven’t met Baptist or any cessationist with POSSESSED BY demons 😂 maybe oppressed by though
Just because you don't see any demons doesn't mean there aren't any. I had demons for decades before I knew they were there
Isn't there a verse where Jesus says nothing will hurt you ?
That doesn't say you can't have a demon
I appreciate this, but can you make an argument for it that doesn’t include realized eschatology?
So… are we open but cautious about raising the dead?
Jesus Christ has already delivered us from the power of sin, the power of darkness. it no longer has dominion over us. this deliverance ministry doesn’t align with that truth by saying they are delivering people who are already in Christ. Christ disarmed the power of principalities at the cross (Colossians 2:15) the holy spirit and a demon cannot dwell in the same person
Correct - Christians can not be possessed, but can be oppressed by a demon.
Jake Kail and Derek Prince for good resources
Derek Prince Frank Hammond Isaiah Saldivar
Oh no. Michael and Michael. A daughter of Abraham is in no way a Christian. Spirit filled and born again.
I definitely disagree with you on that. The context clearly shows she is a believer
@@dborisov23 Does scripture say she was a disciple of Christ before the deliverance?
@@dborisov23 there was yet no indwelling of the Holy Spirit
@@TheGermdog so everyone in the Old Testament was not saved?
@@dborisov23 not yet. Because all who died in faith went to Sheol and were saved when Christ died and set the captives free as in Hebrews 11.