Visionary Realms: If you make faster progress, produce results, and stay true to the original vision, you will amazed at how many of us will overcome our issues within the last six or so months. The wave of angst was driven by our desire to push you back toward the vision we believed in so long ago. Regards, Llydon
While Monsters and Memories has a lot left to do on their plate, I feel like they've already captured a lot of the players that Pantheon was supposed to cater to and their development timeline and progress seems MUCH faster than Pantheon's. Pantheon suffered from "too many cooks in the kitchen". Monsters and Memories has a vision and is sticking to it. Pantheon's vision is too muddy and has changed direction so many times that it's really hindered their development timeline. Need more focus!
Yep, I feel Pantheon is losing its base to other games that are putting out what the people actually want and being upfront. In the time VR has been working on Pantheon a whole slew of games have come out in less time.
A good move I think, guys. I was understanding of the purpose of the game mode, but I also understood the consternation it caused (if not some of the histrionics). I wasn't a fan of the limitations of the game mode, but was totally fine with focused testing (and not totally free-form play). Testing is testing and not 'early access'. Either way: I'm looking forward to testing ongoing.
@@Dynobis1987 lack of transparency, Hiding, and not being forthcoming about things and making excuses. Oh and the Lame excuse for the horrible graphic change. I had been looking forward to this since I pledged for Alpha sometime in 2016-17 and gave a pass on the length of time it has been taking because up until about a year ago they were pretty transparent with a lot of stuff and I loved watching the dev streams and all the streams they allowed people to do for quite some time. I remember watching Coh Carnage play this quite a bit on Twitch with the devs and it was amazing then. Go back and look at all the previous UA-cam streams of Pantheon being played. It gave you the chills with what they were doing. Now it just seems lackluster.
That is very disappointing. I was worried it would all fall apart after Mr McQuade's death. That's rough. Where the graphics just too much to work with? Humph. I was just thinking about doing a big pledge when I started reading all this, now I'm not so sure.
I think its time this is released as an early access product, use the community engagement from experience in game to help shape its future. More than just pre-alpha access, actually fully online 24/7. To be fair though I'm only 15 minutes into the video and maybe they address this.
I haven't finished the video yet, but so far I have 2 comments. 1. The rate at which players consume MMORPG content is scary in dev perspective because of the internet, we share how we conquer content and unlock secret and improve efficiency non-stop. With that said, I think twinking is one of the best and satisfying ways to add replayability, I loved it in EQ. 2. Pvp is disabled. Not a big thing for me, but I think keeping the ability to duel will add a bit of fun, no balancing needed, just let ppl mess around if they're waiting and whatnot. 3. Will finish the video later, thanks!
I'm looking forward to the talk about the art direction and how changing it, what is it, 3 times now? Has sped up the dev speed of the game. I may have to make a full video breaking down every detail of what has been said over the years just to expose the lies and half truths I have heard come out from the dev team about the art and just he mountain of money that has been flushed down the drain.
They need to invest in some really dynamic lighting effects to help offset the new art style. I don't hate it, but the lighting is SO flat it makes the stylized art appear like there's no granularity in shading, just overbright pastel texturing without nuance.
This game will be the quickest in history to have a video made about them in the "Death of a game" Series. I paid a LOT of money in 2016-17 in pledges because I was so stoked about Brads vision. hell I even paid for others Alpha's and Beta pledges because I was so stoked and wanted friend with me on this adventure. These guys dropped his torch big time when he passed it on. If I want to play a game with Fortnite graphics I will play Fortnite, which I refuse to play because it looks like a kids game. The new Graphics on this game look like a kids game and I feel a lot of people will pass on it because of the graphical style it currently has now. I spent 8 years waiting for this game and It almost feels like a friend died, I am that disappointed. I almost feel like I am watching a Disney cartoon with the character, its animations especially the running.. holy crap is that bad and the mobs look too cutesy and what not. The wolves look like pets not a menacing animal in the wild. Sooooo disappointed in this game. With the total new change in engine and graphics how long will be have to wait now? I mean I do not have much faith anymore but I suppose I can see what the game ends up being like. With how we have been shafted I almost have a sense this game will end up being free to play with a cash shop. I hope that is not true. I hope you all can prove me wrong. But I think I am right in many instances.
As is saw the development of MMORPG's as an outsider who plays MMO's, is that an MMO get's realesd more like in a "good enough" state. after that it constantly get patches and changes to make it better. This why Games like World of Warcraft get updated in a way where things like classes or Crafting get changed constantly. ( and hopfully with Player feedback in mind. )
Thank you for dropping the Verbal NDA. Allowing those who are in PA to speak to their experiences. Hearing and watching the content they have created in past week has helped rebuild my faith and trust in VR.
It's strange. It was very clear before in what you said, that the idea of monetization of 247 was to "accelerate development with additional funds". But basically everyone took it as "we are out of funds and this is our desperate hail mary play". I didn't like the potential of my money funding what amounted to a completely different game. That was it. 247 as a creative form of a testing client, was fine. It was the not closing the door, and instead putting your foot in it about making that a separate game that I had an issue with. So in a sense... I am a little disappointed that I didn't get to try 247 before it was scrapped. I was looking forward to it as a Alpha tester, with an open mind. I don't want to judge something just based on text and someone else telling me about it.
Here is the thing, when someone broke the NDA and leaked it they created a negative narrative which killed 247 and actually hurt the project. It was a turd move.
When is player testing starting? I was one of the people who, at the very start, donated 500 dollars and one point what was said was that there would be invite to player test sent to these contributors as well. Haven't seen any invites yet, or testing hasn't yet started?
Joppa - you sound much more enthusiastic here (in a good way). Alpha starting this year? Good info on faction plans. This sounds far more exciting - keep it up!
bro its been nearly 10 years and they dont have a working alpha yet, its a fucking joke people think they will come out with anything but a giant pile of shit.
@@alphadragongamingFTW They are defeated, he is on borrowed time. I think they are pretty close to out of money. I hope they close soon. They should be brought up on charges.
I love the idea of a mass message calling all adventurers to an area. Promotes engagement and community. Almost like the Gods of Pantheon summoning us. lol
VR, thank you for this video, it clarifies a few things. Marketing isn't your area of expertise. However, I know you are doing the best you can. Please stick to the original plan and get us some concrete dates for 2024 ahead of time. Maybe get a project manager that can help you to meet time goals and manage the project as well as market that information to the public.
Would love to be supportive, and wanting this to be a great thing but 10 years after pledging 400 dollars I've yet to touch the game, because of the engine changes, now graphical changes. 247 sounds like the pledge system is being thrown out the window. Not going to get any praises from me or most the people I know who pledge either the same as myself or higher.
I am still hyped for this MMO my advice from a voice only, stick with the vision, when it comes to the tip-top of the creation and after release then add new effects and new outlooks on what you feel it should have. This has been at the top of my list since announcement and first gameplay release I feel this could be the MMO and challenge gamers need. Keep pushing and rocking to the top. Can't wait. 🤘🤘
Sooo finally we are approaching an online alpha test but in the backdrop is the turmoil of change of art direction and potential change of game design to be a Tarkov clone. I wish you all the best. I'm a pledger but at this point I don't expect to ever see something playable that isn't some sort of star citizen toy mode etc. I hope you all manage to prove me wrong. Have a happy thanksgiving and a new year.
Ok, this was a lot better. It really makes a difference to hear everyone be happy and goofy. Some of my faith is restored. More still to see, but if you deliver like you said here, I'll be more excited!
Great video. I love seeing the direction back on the MMO. Just a suggestion but instead of a static graphic as the background on these videos, add in game footage of the actual game. Even if it's just inconsequential bs that has nothing to do with the actual verbal content.
I tune out cuz I start doing other things and I'm invested. To the un-invested, it may invest them more to see the product they are speaking about and generate some more interest. At the very least it would keep them more engaged.
Since I'm banned from the forums and discord for asking about mishandled donation money, is this a good place to ask how more donation money will be handled differently?
There are people on the Forums and Discord that have made comments about how the money was spent and are still there, giving criticism, so you are outright lying if you say that is the ONLY reason you were banned. Can't stand you dishonest trolls coming here to lie and whine. You did a LOT more than that if you were banned. It's hard to get banned from the Official Forums and Discord. I'm there daily and read the ongoing harsh criticisms STILL there.
@@broquietstorm1266 When I questioned the mishandling of donations I was attacked by Devs and soc account copy pasta replies. And when I provided data as evidence of how much money had been mishandled I was promptly banned. I will give you the benefit of any doubt and not call you a liar like you called me. Ironically it is my honesty that makes VR's misleading statements so offensive. If you think VR is being honest and I am lying it may be because anyone making statements that bring into question VR integrity or competency is being purged from all discourse. I am far from alone in this experience.
@@justletmeplaythedamngamewere you the one who was spamming random paragraphs of gibberish alongside a bunch of conspiracy theories? There was a reason you were banned and everybody yelled at you, and it's because we were all pretty certain you were some kind of rogue chatbot AI 😂
@@Jiraki_the_Wingless I was the one providing data as evidence of the total amount of donation money that was mishandled. Gibberish and conspiracy theories are allowed, but data bringing into question VR's integrity or competency is not. So no, I was not the one spamming gibberish and conspiracy theories, unless that is just the new buzzword for any data that contradicts your beliefs.
Take your time guys! Can't wait to play this when I'm 60! This game should have been out 4 years ago! It's a shame Mr Legend Brad McQuaid passed. After this tragic event happened, this game should have been scrapped. I was looking forward to playing the true successor to the grand daddy of MMO's, Everquest. But after seeing the snail progress the last 5 years, this game looks and plays like a 1999 MMO. The combat looks boring, graphics look old, and my hope for this game died years ago. Pantheon could have been great. Now, I don't believe this game will ever come out. I hope I'm wrong. Good luck.
You can ALWAYS come back to polish up the zones , just as long as the zone or zones exist , your goal has been accomplished out of many many many to come...think BIG , work smarter not harder , take small steps but BIG results...and keep the same pace as much as possible throughout the development process , there is NO RUSH (atleast) for those of us who have not given empty promises over the past 10 years with very little result...lol. @@EQOAnostalgia
I love listening to these so thank you all for taking the time. Everyone sounded so much more "easy going", it's put me in a better headspace going forward. /hugehugs everyone
Alright, i'm slowly coming around despite being salty about a few things. Idk if i'm shadowbanned over here or not lol. But ehhh, might want to take a peak at what i've been up to today. @Visionary Realms. Just maybe.
its not the size of the team, but the leadership. look at what monsters and memories has achieved with less people and time EDIT: well, the leadership and experience as well
The game no longer looks like something that interests me. From it's childish cartoon art style to it's absolutely incompetent development. It looks like a mobile game and I have zero confidence left in VR.
what the actual F*ck are you on about? you are the one watching recipes with bananas and chocolate with no oven and one egg LOL, go sing your karaoke and F* off @@Section.9
@@angeloserraino5273 It's over man. Just like i told Nathan. I love yall, but i seen this shit a dozen times. Been there, covered that, got the same backlash, shit shut down and i got the T-Shirt lol. I'm sorry.
Yes, to my disappointment. I lost hope. I lost hope when I saw the reveal of " new graphics" and how everything looks "painted". When did you lose hope my brother?
@@zac2877ohh ive been rooting for Pantheon for over 8 years, but no more! Im a pathfinder pledger/supporter and i felt more than once that i was being used cause of my naive and hopefull feelings towards an experince just close to what EQ was for me in so many years.
Thank you for rethinking the approach to testing and development. That might be a nice game mode or mini game withing Pantheon as a whole but it just didnt feel in line with the projects original intent and vision. I hope the team isnt to bummed out by the community backlash.
An extraction mode makes way less sense in an MMO than Battlegrounds just sayin... Edit: About the food and drink being auto consumed. Why not have a slot on your bar or a food tab in your bag and the first two slots are auto food and drink spaces? Also, you could have a toggle switch on food and drink items to make them auto consume. You should really offer a $15 sub to test it. You guys would get some great foot traffic.
It was a focus test - no time or money was wasted on it. The whole point was to create a feedback loop for faster implementation of bug fixes and changes. People were too crippled by cognitive dissonance even when it was explained clearly over and over as a _focus test_ . .
Just gonna repost my other comment: They literally just did a Q&A explaining how that is not the case. Almost everything from 247 was for the MMO in the first place, and the components of it still exist, just in the MMO form, as they transition back to MMORPG-style. They specifically said it's taking literally a few days to switch back, and all of the progress made over the last several months is still present in the MMO. I know it's hard to believe, but in this case, unlike those other "spin-off" projects, this one really was just MMO features rearranged, not a completely new thing.
@Section.9 This was not a focus test, this was a cash grab. And it was a waste of time and money. They spent development time and resources to create a product that was so unpopular they had to cancel it. That is the very embodiment of waste.
@DustinHarms The problem with that is that no one believes them. "We're doing the thing that looks just like the other thing but we promise it's really not the thing. " Now THAT'S bullshit.
only see extraction to be used in pvp not in pve pve should be mmo not extraction like with WoW u have mmo but u have pvp extraction part too Final Fantasy 14 ARR is doing the same thing mmo first extraction pvp 2nd
Ok. Something I don't like the sound of as a Alpha tester that rightfully expected to have my hands on things 7 years ago. Some of the comments make it sound like Alpha testers will be the red-headed step children of the testing pool. Like that PA testers will still be prioritized over us. And we will only get the hand-me-downs, and limited access compared to them. That all sounds like BS! PA shouldn't even be a major phase at all, let alone as long as it has been. But when it comes to letting in Alpha testers, there should be ZERO DIFFERENCE between them and Pre-Alphas. They pledged to get advanced access. Not a privileged level of access at the same time as Alphas. When we are all in together, we should all be treated the same. As testers. Period. It sounds like Alphas will only be allowed in for brief tests, while PA's will get 24/7 access or something. That annoys me. That is a insult to Alphas, on top of the already existing insult of overly extending the PA phase and basically turning it into what should be the Alpha phase.
It's not alpha yet though, why don't you be happy you are getting a chance to play monthly. Pre alphas paid for pre alpha, you paid for alpha. See the difference?
@@mattfs250 I think what you are trying to say is, even though Alpha Testers will be added next month... the phase itself will still be considered "Pre-Alpha"? You may be right on, but either way... that is stupid. And its DEFINITELY not clear if that is the case. As far as I am concerned, it's finally switching to the Alpha phase after 10 long years... I don't know why I would possibly think any different, as I signed up to be a Alpha Tester... which naturally comes during the Alpha phase. I didn't pledge to be what would amount to be a "Mid Rank Tester" that is only invited to test whats left over after the "High Rank Testers" get done with something. At the very least... Yes. I paid for Alpha phase access. Then they took that phase, gave it a new label called "Pre-Alpha", and as far as I can tell... they moved the Alpha label to what would be called the Beta Phase. Thus... I feel cheated and screwed around with already. So why would I be happy that when its seemingly FINALLY time for the Alpha phase... "No. It's just 1 day a month" or whatever. It just feels like more screwing around with Alpha testers, and treating them like an annoying obligation that they eventually have to appease with bare minimum effort. It's a slap in the face.
As far as I remember, there's always been a pre alpha stage. My friends got alpha, I got pre alpha. It's not moved to alpha yet so alphas don't get to play, it's pretty simple I think.
@justdrop this makes absolutely no sense. No one's beating anyone, alphas are being let in BEFORE the alpha stage, you're not grateful for that? Eh ok
For anyone saying the project isn't real, have you ever ran a software project before? If you had any idea the absurd level complexity this team faces you would be quiet. You think Chris Perkins killed this project because after Brad passed (RIP sir) they changed directions? What happened with Brad's last big mmorpg? I still remember paying $80 for Vanguard: Saga of Heroes and having 7 FRAMES A SECOND. When Chris came in and started making hard decisions to improve the LONGEVITY and SUSTAINABILITY and PERFORMANCE of this game, the mob accused him of killing the project. I strongly disagree. Have missteps been made? Your damn right missteps have been made, that is how you learn even teams made of veterans have to follow the process of iterative development. The brave thing to do in the face of your missteps is error correct (fix the damn problem) and own it. Which they have done. Yes it hurts changing art styles multiple times but at a certain point their team read the writing on the wall that they were not going to be able to optimize that art style for raid level performance. We should be praising their team for doing the testing needed to catch this game breaking problem before we have to sit through 100's of hours of lag-fest raids. I loved the old art style and I basically hate the new art style, but I applaud the team nonetheless. I am supposed to be in here spewing hatred and trolling all the fanboys but you ignorant mob have forced me to defend this game and for that I will never forgive you. For this reason I have decided to go warlock on the pvp server.
It's no more complex than every other company developing MMOs is making. Them making something more similar to EQ actually makes it LESS complex. Continually "changing direction" on everything they do just shows they're irresponsible with the money they're being given. How many thousands of dollars of people's money have they just thrown away now by developing stuff and later tossing it in the trash? The game is nowhere near released and they're too indecisive to pick an art style after 10 years? Give me a break. This is not how you run a business.
"not enough people playing it" open the bloody Alpha for crying out loud over 2 years in pre alpha and still no alpha. i wish there is a way to retract my pledge and get my money back am loosing faith in this game tbh
So basically stop GIVING SALARY to people that do not have a DIRECT impact on the games production. If you are just a content creator like Minus, dump him useless fund waste. If you are a PR or only deal with forum issue , you are useless for the game! If you are being paid to test the game you are also a useless employee, because thousand of us do it already because we paid for it! 5.5million $ , split among people that give themselve a 2nd salary on top of their main job. If you are earning 30-40k per yr but all you do is erase/rinse repeat since 10yrs, lose yourself also . First it was the spaguetti coding, then that got fixed and you came up with a new concept design etc. Now a new artstyle and its again back to 0.
Dude, the graphic at the moment is worlds behind WoW. WoW is the best selling MMO and ppl like them wish, they would atleast in the breath of WoW. Hahaha not a clone......be happy if this game get ever released, because i dont think so.
Hope this game continues on the vision of like an Everquest 1.5 type MMO. No EQ2 because it was horrible. Must keep the trinity. Try not to sway from the original vision. Also, everyone needs to forget the past and stop griping about stuff and help be positive in the further development of this game. Complaining doesn't help any. Offer ideas.
@@RAimotion See? That doesn't help motivate them to release a good product. I'm with you and have done the same, but what good does it really do? What's the point?
You're in the wrong place. Daybreak wants to release a new Everquest IP by 2028, but that's pretty much "vaporware" right now as the term so many mongoloids here like to aptly use.
yes the new people you bring on the team liked the PVP/extracting crap all the old supporters hate.. AMAZING PEOPLE you bring on the team. cough Shows how bad the leadership of this sinking ship is. They not gonna update the matrix, they gonna fock it up. mark my words :)
Words marked. Did you listen to this video? He explained it quite clear the intention of the extraction mode and indirectly said that people very obviously misunderstood its intentions - which will slow their development temporarily until they get back into a normal cadence.
Donated for Alpha Access 2 houses and 2 kids ago.
its an actual joke lol
Visionary Realms: If you make faster progress, produce results, and stay true to the original vision, you will amazed at how many of us will overcome our issues within the last six or so months. The wave of angst was driven by our desire to push you back toward the vision we believed in so long ago. Regards, Llydon
Love the spirit of this team. You get knocked down, you get back up with more vigor than you had. God bless you all!
They only have one full time dev and you starting up the game up again how gonna do both with your limited staff.
Extracting mode would make atutorial.
You log on these dates you won't legible for a refund one more..
@@ModernPirates209 There is only one full-time designer (Joppa), not developer. There are 35-40 employees and 25 of them are full time.
@@ModernPirates209 They have one full time Designer. They have many full time devs. Stop spreading lies.
It's great you're putting the game online all the time.
While Monsters and Memories has a lot left to do on their plate, I feel like they've already captured a lot of the players that Pantheon was supposed to cater to and their development timeline and progress seems MUCH faster than Pantheon's.
Pantheon suffered from "too many cooks in the kitchen". Monsters and Memories has a vision and is sticking to it. Pantheon's vision is too muddy and has changed direction so many times that it's really hindered their development timeline. Need more focus!
Yep, I feel Pantheon is losing its base to other games that are putting out what the people actually want and being upfront. In the time VR has been working on Pantheon a whole slew of games have come out in less time.
Remember: "Pantheon has been funded through release."
A good move I think, guys.
I was understanding of the purpose of the game mode, but I also understood the consternation it caused (if not some of the histrionics).
I wasn't a fan of the limitations of the game mode, but was totally fine with focused testing (and not totally free-form play). Testing is testing and not 'early access'.
Either way: I'm looking forward to testing ongoing.
Lay it on the table right now. How many monsters, zones, classes do you have ready for players to test. Not completed, just ready to experiment with
You will have to show me a lot of proper progress to regain my trust by this point. I don’t feel excited to get into the alpha, which is sad.
Best comment and most realistic one after whats gone on as of late
I'm not up to date. What negative experiences have people had?
@@Dynobis1987 lack of transparency, Hiding, and not being forthcoming about things and making excuses. Oh and the Lame excuse for the horrible graphic change. I had been looking forward to this since I pledged for Alpha sometime in 2016-17 and gave a pass on the length of time it has been taking because up until about a year ago they were pretty transparent with a lot of stuff and I loved watching the dev streams and all the streams they allowed people to do for quite some time. I remember watching Coh Carnage play this quite a bit on Twitch with the devs and it was amazing then. Go back and look at all the previous UA-cam streams of Pantheon being played. It gave you the chills with what they were doing. Now it just seems lackluster.
That is very disappointing. I was worried it would all fall apart after Mr McQuade's death. That's rough. Where the graphics just too much to work with? Humph.
I was just thinking about doing a big pledge when I started reading all this, now I'm not so sure.
I think its time this is released as an early access product, use the community engagement from experience in game to help shape its future. More than just pre-alpha access, actually fully online 24/7.
To be fair though I'm only 15 minutes into the video and maybe they address this.
There is nothing to release as early access product. You can't release a 'game' that has no content or is largely just concept art stage.
I haven't finished the video yet, but so far I have 2 comments.
1. The rate at which players consume MMORPG content is scary in dev perspective because of the internet, we share how we conquer content and unlock secret and improve efficiency non-stop. With that said, I think twinking is one of the best and satisfying ways to add replayability, I loved it in EQ.
2. Pvp is disabled. Not a big thing for me, but I think keeping the ability to duel will add a bit of fun, no balancing needed, just let ppl mess around if they're waiting and whatnot.
3. Will finish the video later, thanks!
the bait and switch, brad must turning over in his grave.... this will go down as a prime example poor managment
I'm looking forward to the talk about the art direction and how changing it, what is it, 3 times now? Has sped up the dev speed of the game. I may have to make a full video breaking down every detail of what has been said over the years just to expose the lies and half truths I have heard come out from the dev team about the art and just he mountain of money that has been flushed down the drain.
"Uh ... so .... our main goal is ..... (5 minutes of irrelevant words) ... to release the game."
WOW !
They need to invest in some really dynamic lighting effects to help offset the new art style. I don't hate it, but the lighting is SO flat it makes the stylized art appear like there's no granularity in shading, just overbright pastel texturing without nuance.
I'm sure they will add more lighting and stuff like that. But the "painted style" that's where they lost me, looks cheap and kiddy
This game will be the quickest in history to have a video made about them in the "Death of a game" Series. I paid a LOT of money in 2016-17 in pledges because I was so stoked about Brads vision. hell I even paid for others Alpha's and Beta pledges because I was so stoked and wanted friend with me on this adventure. These guys dropped his torch big time when he passed it on. If I want to play a game with Fortnite graphics I will play Fortnite, which I refuse to play because it looks like a kids game. The new Graphics on this game look like a kids game and I feel a lot of people will pass on it because of the graphical style it currently has now. I spent 8 years waiting for this game and It almost feels like a friend died, I am that disappointed. I almost feel like I am watching a Disney cartoon with the character, its animations especially the running.. holy crap is that bad and the mobs look too cutesy and what not. The wolves look like pets not a menacing animal in the wild. Sooooo disappointed in this game. With the total new change in engine and graphics how long will be have to wait now? I mean I do not have much faith anymore but I suppose I can see what the game ends up being like. With how we have been shafted I almost have a sense this game will end up being free to play with a cash shop. I hope that is not true. I hope you all can prove me wrong. But I think I am right in many instances.
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As is saw the development of MMORPG's as an outsider who plays MMO's, is that an MMO get's realesd more like in a "good enough" state. after that it constantly get patches and changes to make it better. This why Games like World of Warcraft get updated in a way where things like classes or Crafting get changed constantly. ( and hopfully with Player feedback in mind. )
Thank you for dropping the Verbal NDA. Allowing those who are in PA to speak to their experiences. Hearing and watching the content they have created in past week has helped rebuild my faith and trust in VR.
It's strange. It was very clear before in what you said, that the idea of monetization of 247 was to "accelerate development with additional funds". But basically everyone took it as "we are out of funds and this is our desperate hail mary play". I didn't like the potential of my money funding what amounted to a completely different game. That was it. 247 as a creative form of a testing client, was fine. It was the not closing the door, and instead putting your foot in it about making that a separate game that I had an issue with. So in a sense... I am a little disappointed that I didn't get to try 247 before it was scrapped. I was looking forward to it as a Alpha tester, with an open mind. I don't want to judge something just based on text and someone else telling me about it.
Here is the thing, when someone broke the NDA and leaked it they created a negative narrative which killed 247 and actually hurt the project. It was a turd move.
Was a fun Q&A, thanks for all the updates. Good news all around.
S**P Nuff said. Cough.......
When is player testing starting? I was one of the people who, at the very start, donated 500 dollars and one point what was said was that there would be invite to player test sent to these contributors as well. Haven't seen any invites yet, or testing hasn't yet started?
Valheim is the only game that seems to do thirst/hunger correctly.
Great Q&A! Feels like things are back on track
S**P Nuff said. Cough.......
Joppa - you sound much more enthusiastic here (in a good way). Alpha starting this year? Good info on faction plans. This sounds far more exciting - keep it up!
I don't believe alpha is starting this year but allowing alpha pledges in to test cause they need the numbers.
@@thawol9227feels more like allowing alpha pledges in to try and silence the angry mob.
bro its been nearly 10 years and they dont have a working alpha yet, its a fucking joke people think they will come out with anything but a giant pile of shit.
I dunno, I thought he sounded somewhat defeated.
@@alphadragongamingFTW They are defeated, he is on borrowed time. I think they are pretty close to out of money. I hope they close soon. They should be brought up on charges.
I love the idea of a mass message calling all adventurers to an area. Promotes engagement and community. Almost like the Gods of Pantheon summoning us. lol
Like original GM events in EQ.
VR, thank you for this video, it clarifies a few things. Marketing isn't your area of expertise. However, I know you are doing the best you can. Please stick to the original plan and get us some concrete dates for 2024 ahead of time. Maybe get a project manager that can help you to meet time goals and manage the project as well as market that information to the public.
Would love to be supportive, and wanting this to be a great thing but 10 years after pledging 400 dollars I've yet to touch the game, because of the engine changes, now graphical changes. 247 sounds like the pledge system is being thrown out the window. Not going to get any praises from me or most the people I know who pledge either the same as myself or higher.
spot on glad you are not a S**P like most of the people posting here.
@@RAimotion They have A LOT to prove. Doesn't help that every time i turn around they ghost my f'ing comments lol. Fairly mild and fair stuff.
@@RAimotion Yep, tons of brainless Si*ps here it seems. Lots of Fanbois and gurls
This Q&A session was executed really well, and I am thrilled for the change in direction. Thank you for sharing these updates!
I am still hyped for this MMO my advice from a voice only, stick with the vision, when it comes to the tip-top of the creation and after release then add new effects and new outlooks on what you feel it should have. This has been at the top of my list since announcement and first gameplay release I feel this could be the MMO and challenge gamers need. Keep pushing and rocking to the top. Can't wait. 🤘🤘
Sooo finally we are approaching an online alpha test but in the backdrop is the turmoil of change of art direction and potential change of game design to be a Tarkov clone. I wish you all the best. I'm a pledger but at this point I don't expect to ever see something playable that isn't some sort of star citizen toy mode etc. I hope you all manage to prove me wrong. Have a happy thanksgiving and a new year.
Game is a ton of fun to play. Can't wait for the NDA to drop so that we can talk more about it.
Ok, this was a lot better. It really makes a difference to hear everyone be happy and goofy. Some of my faith is restored. More still to see, but if you deliver like you said here, I'll be more excited!
So will the beta access preorders be invited before an open early access launch?
Looking forward to alpha testing coming in December
I'm still rooting for you guys.
Fantastic Q&A!
I've missed these Q&As.
S**P Nuff said. Cough.......
You got this up fast, thank you! Missed the first 40 minutes live due to my internet going down! 🤯
Great video. I love seeing the direction back on the MMO. Just a suggestion but instead of a static graphic as the background on these videos, add in game footage of the actual game. Even if it's just inconsequential bs that has nothing to do with the actual verbal content.
i guess you can do something else whilst listening to the video.
@@ryuno2097currently listening this as a podcast.
@@ryuno2097 Which is exactly what I do but that doesn't help to promote the game. You have to think like a marketer, not a consumer.
I tune out cuz I start doing other things and I'm invested. To the un-invested, it may invest them more to see the product they are speaking about and generate some more interest. At the very least it would keep them more engaged.
All great news, I am reinvigorated. o7
No game play?
Lol. Game play.
Great news everyone! game will release in 20024
A very big thing, 70% complete is a worse position than a much smaller thing fully featured...just parks the problem. 🤞
Since I'm banned from the forums and discord for asking about mishandled donation money, is this a good place to ask how more donation money will be handled differently?
There are people on the Forums and Discord that have made comments about how the money was spent and are still there, giving criticism, so you are outright lying if you say that is the ONLY reason you were banned.
Can't stand you dishonest trolls coming here to lie and whine. You did a LOT more than that if you were banned. It's hard to get banned from the Official Forums and Discord. I'm there daily and read the ongoing harsh criticisms STILL there.
@@broquietstorm1266so what you are saying they are dictating how people can speak their mind... YES you think thats better you naive fool.
@@broquietstorm1266 When I questioned the mishandling of donations I was attacked by Devs and soc account copy pasta replies. And when I provided data as evidence of how much money had been mishandled I was promptly banned. I will give you the benefit of any doubt and not call you a liar like you called me. Ironically it is my honesty that makes VR's misleading statements so offensive. If you think VR is being honest and I am lying it may be because anyone making statements that bring into question VR integrity or competency is being purged from all discourse. I am far from alone in this experience.
@@justletmeplaythedamngamewere you the one who was spamming random paragraphs of gibberish alongside a bunch of conspiracy theories? There was a reason you were banned and everybody yelled at you, and it's because we were all pretty certain you were some kind of rogue chatbot AI 😂
@@Jiraki_the_Wingless I was the one providing data as evidence of the total amount of donation money that was mishandled. Gibberish and conspiracy theories are allowed, but data bringing into question VR's integrity or competency is not. So no, I was not the one spamming gibberish and conspiracy theories, unless that is just the new buzzword for any data that contradicts your beliefs.
Take your time guys! Can't wait to play this when I'm 60!
This game should have been out 4 years ago! It's a shame Mr Legend Brad McQuaid passed. After this tragic event happened, this game should have been scrapped.
I was looking forward to playing the true successor to the grand daddy of MMO's, Everquest. But after seeing the snail progress the last 5 years, this game looks and plays like a 1999 MMO. The combat looks boring, graphics look old, and my hope for this game died years ago.
Pantheon could have been great. Now, I don't believe this game will ever come out. I hope I'm wrong. Good luck.
I wonder who owns the rights to the game or the game itself? Did Brad own it... therefore it passed on to someone/some others?
You guys are awesome!
Proud of you Joppa for not spilling the juicy bean even though we all wanted it!! Let the speculation begin!!!
I will gladly test this game for you if you really need players/testers
Keep up the good work!
Star Citizen 2.0
Great News, Good work Team, keep up this good work. sorry i missed it. cant wait to see yall in there soon!
Brad McQuaid is rolling in his grave.
If I had a dependable (small) team to lead as a solo game developer , they would have atleast 2 to 3 ZONES made within 2 months...guaranteed.
Spot on. I guess it's hard for these guys idk. Also they keep ghosting my comments. Which is annoying af!!!
💯@@EQOAnostalgia
You can ALWAYS come back to polish up the zones , just as long as the zone or zones exist , your goal has been accomplished out of many many many to come...think BIG , work smarter not harder , take small steps but BIG results...and keep the same pace as much as possible throughout the development process , there is NO RUSH (atleast) for those of us who have not given empty promises over the past 10 years with very little result...lol. @@EQOAnostalgia
Very encouraging to hear! Not a single thing I didn't like hearing. Looking forward to the coming future of Pantheon :)
S**P Nuff said. Cough.......
LOL the coming future is correct that is a fact and it will never change
I love listening to these so thank you all for taking the time. Everyone sounded so much more "easy going", it's put me in a better headspace going forward. /hugehugs everyone
All right give me good news
Alright, i'm slowly coming around despite being salty about a few things. Idk if i'm shadowbanned over here or not lol. But ehhh, might want to take a peak at what i've been up to today. @Visionary Realms. Just maybe.
The team is too small for an mmo this scale. Gonna take 50 years before this gets release. You are 10 years in and no alpha server to show for it.
its not the size of the team, but the leadership. look at what monsters and memories has achieved with less people and time
EDIT: well, the leadership and experience as well
What is your burn rate. And whats left in bank. You know investors will come and help you if you are transparent
The game no longer looks like something that interests me. From it's childish cartoon art style to it's absolutely incompetent development. It looks like a mobile game and I have zero confidence left in VR.
A Q&A without any gameplay in the Background says it all... I'll pass
Monkey need banana to think? Sorry monkey, no bananas this time.
what the actual F*ck are you on about? you are the one watching recipes with bananas and chocolate with no oven and one egg LOL, go sing your karaoke and F* off @@Section.9
@@Section.9 go back to your kpop videos kid, the grown ups are talking
Imagine how many zones must be planned after nearly 10 years of development, should be huge on actual release
Imagine how big it will be after TWENTY years!
30-40 years , full beta release LMFAO 🤣@@robn2171
@@robn2171 How many of the in-crowd for this game will not get that you are being ironic?
what happened to Minus?
Took a salary for staying home doing nothing for 2 yrs. Useless asset ...
they sent me a key and i deleted it on purpose as i have no desire to play the game in this art style and as a extraction based rpg.
This game truly has 2006 graphics.
Glad to see them ditch 247 but unless they go back to a more realistic style, then I’ll consider my VIP a loss. I’ve got no desire to play a cartoon.
Great update VR, I'm genuinely happy for the team. Here's to a positive, successful and rewarding 2024!
Do they put VR compatibility?
/doubt
@@EQOAnostalgia Hope :)
@@angeloserraino5273 It's over man. Just like i told Nathan. I love yall, but i seen this shit a dozen times. Been there, covered that, got the same backlash, shit shut down and i got the T-Shirt lol. I'm sorry.
@@EQOAnostalgia I get that. Maybe take a break and see how it pans out.
.... So when is EverQuest 3 coming out?
They tried and failed, you know that i guess ;-)
never
you said NeverQuest or no ? :)
Yes, to my disappointment.
I lost hope.
I lost hope when I saw the reveal of " new graphics" and how everything looks "painted".
When did you lose hope my brother?
@@zac2877ohh ive been rooting for Pantheon for over 8 years, but no more! Im a pathfinder pledger/supporter and i felt more than once that i was being used cause of my naive and hopefull feelings towards an experince just close to what EQ was for me in so many years.
25:39 yeah be patient, rofl
Thank you for rethinking the approach to testing and development. That might be a nice game mode or mini game withing Pantheon as a whole but it just didnt feel in line with the projects original intent and vision. I hope the team isnt to bummed out by the community backlash.
Who is the dude hosting ? 😃
almost 10 years in development.....you fan boys need to move along, this is the worst looking mmo to date
An extraction mode makes way less sense in an MMO than Battlegrounds just sayin...
Edit: About the food and drink being auto consumed. Why not have a slot on your bar or a food tab in your bag and the first two slots are auto food and drink spaces? Also, you could have a toggle switch on food and drink items to make them auto consume.
You should really offer a $15 sub to test it. You guys would get some great foot traffic.
LMFAO
wooohoo in 4 or 5 more years i get the play the ALDIS fortnite mmo woop woop
so exactly how much development time and people's money did you waste on that extraction mode horseshit?
they wasted it all, thats why they need more funding now from 247 woke mode for kids with their rich daddies wallets..... to support em.
It was a focus test - no time or money was wasted on it. The whole point was to create a feedback loop for faster implementation of bug fixes and changes.
People were too crippled by cognitive dissonance even when it was explained clearly over and over as a _focus test_ . .
Just gonna repost my other comment:
They literally just did a Q&A explaining how that is not the case. Almost everything from 247 was for the MMO in the first place, and the components of it still exist, just in the MMO form, as they transition back to MMORPG-style. They specifically said it's taking literally a few days to switch back, and all of the progress made over the last several months is still present in the MMO.
I know it's hard to believe, but in this case, unlike those other "spin-off" projects, this one really was just MMO features rearranged, not a completely new thing.
@Section.9 This was not a focus test, this was a cash grab. And it was a waste of time and money. They spent development time and resources to create a product that was so unpopular they had to cancel it. That is the very embodiment of waste.
@DustinHarms The problem with that is that no one believes them. "We're doing the thing that looks just like the other thing but we promise it's really not the thing. " Now THAT'S bullshit.
only see extraction to be used in pvp not in pve pve should be mmo not extraction like with WoW u have mmo but u have pvp extraction part too Final Fantasy 14 ARR is doing the same thing mmo first extraction pvp 2nd
I myself am ready to pledge monthly, let us alpha testers in.
When are you guys going to learn?
Ok. Something I don't like the sound of as a Alpha tester that rightfully expected to have my hands on things 7 years ago.
Some of the comments make it sound like Alpha testers will be the red-headed step children of the testing pool. Like that PA testers will still be prioritized over us. And we will only get the hand-me-downs, and limited access compared to them.
That all sounds like BS! PA shouldn't even be a major phase at all, let alone as long as it has been. But when it comes to letting in Alpha testers, there should be ZERO DIFFERENCE between them and Pre-Alphas. They pledged to get advanced access. Not a privileged level of access at the same time as Alphas. When we are all in together, we should all be treated the same. As testers. Period.
It sounds like Alphas will only be allowed in for brief tests, while PA's will get 24/7 access or something. That annoys me. That is a insult to Alphas, on top of the already existing insult of overly extending the PA phase and basically turning it into what should be the Alpha phase.
It's not alpha yet though, why don't you be happy you are getting a chance to play monthly. Pre alphas paid for pre alpha, you paid for alpha. See the difference?
@@mattfs250 I'm not beating you, I'm just taking your lunch money. Why don't you be happy?
@@mattfs250 I think what you are trying to say is, even though Alpha Testers will be added next month... the phase itself will still be considered "Pre-Alpha"?
You may be right on, but either way... that is stupid. And its DEFINITELY not clear if that is the case. As far as I am concerned, it's finally switching to the Alpha phase after 10 long years... I don't know why I would possibly think any different, as I signed up to be a Alpha Tester... which naturally comes during the Alpha phase. I didn't pledge to be what would amount to be a "Mid Rank Tester" that is only invited to test whats left over after the "High Rank Testers" get done with something.
At the very least... Yes. I paid for Alpha phase access. Then they took that phase, gave it a new label called "Pre-Alpha", and as far as I can tell... they moved the Alpha label to what would be called the Beta Phase. Thus... I feel cheated and screwed around with already. So why would I be happy that when its seemingly FINALLY time for the Alpha phase... "No. It's just 1 day a month" or whatever. It just feels like more screwing around with Alpha testers, and treating them like an annoying obligation that they eventually have to appease with bare minimum effort. It's a slap in the face.
As far as I remember, there's always been a pre alpha stage. My friends got alpha, I got pre alpha. It's not moved to alpha yet so alphas don't get to play, it's pretty simple I think.
@justdrop this makes absolutely no sense. No one's beating anyone, alphas are being let in BEFORE the alpha stage, you're not grateful for that? Eh ok
For anyone saying the project isn't real, have you ever ran a software project before? If you had any idea the absurd level complexity this team faces you would be quiet. You think Chris Perkins killed this project because after Brad passed (RIP sir) they changed directions? What happened with Brad's last big mmorpg? I still remember paying $80 for Vanguard: Saga of Heroes and having 7 FRAMES A SECOND. When Chris came in and started making hard decisions to improve the LONGEVITY and SUSTAINABILITY and PERFORMANCE of this game, the mob accused him of killing the project. I strongly disagree. Have missteps been made? Your damn right missteps have been made, that is how you learn even teams made of veterans have to follow the process of iterative development. The brave thing to do in the face of your missteps is error correct (fix the damn problem) and own it. Which they have done. Yes it hurts changing art styles multiple times but at a certain point their team read the writing on the wall that they were not going to be able to optimize that art style for raid level performance. We should be praising their team for doing the testing needed to catch this game breaking problem before we have to sit through 100's of hours of lag-fest raids. I loved the old art style and I basically hate the new art style, but I applaud the team nonetheless. I am supposed to be in here spewing hatred and trolling all the fanboys but you ignorant mob have forced me to defend this game and for that I will never forgive you. For this reason I have decided to go warlock on the pvp server.
You can't defend this massive scam. Your probably part of it. Enjoy dreaming about your Warlock that you will never gey to play.
It's no more complex than every other company developing MMOs is making. Them making something more similar to EQ actually makes it LESS complex. Continually "changing direction" on everything they do just shows they're irresponsible with the money they're being given. How many thousands of dollars of people's money have they just thrown away now by developing stuff and later tossing it in the trash? The game is nowhere near released and they're too indecisive to pick an art style after 10 years? Give me a break. This is not how you run a business.
"not enough people playing it" open the bloody Alpha for crying out loud over 2 years in pre alpha and still no alpha. i wish there is a way to retract my pledge and get my money back am loosing faith in this game tbh
So basically stop GIVING SALARY to people that do not have a DIRECT impact on the games production.
If you are just a content creator like Minus, dump him useless fund waste.
If you are a PR or only deal with forum issue , you are useless for the game!
If you are being paid to test the game you are also a useless employee, because thousand of us do it already because we paid for it!
5.5million $ , split among people that give themselve a 2nd salary on top of their main job. If you are earning 30-40k per yr but all you do is erase/rinse repeat since 10yrs, lose yourself also .
First it was the spaguetti coding, then that got fixed and you came up with a new concept design etc. Now a new artstyle and its again back to 0.
The game is useless for the game.
Still not happy with the graphics.. shame on you. We don't want to play a WOW clone..
Dude, the graphic at the moment is worlds behind WoW. WoW is the best selling MMO and ppl like them wish, they would atleast in the breath of WoW. Hahaha not a clone......be happy if this game get ever released, because i dont think so.
Hope this game continues on the vision of like an Everquest 1.5 type MMO. No EQ2 because it was horrible. Must keep the trinity. Try not to sway from the original vision.
Also, everyone needs to forget the past and stop griping about stuff and help be positive in the further development of this game. Complaining doesn't help any. Offer ideas.
they wont stop dreaming. Snap out of it *smack* *SMACK*
@@RAimotion See? That doesn't help motivate them to release a good product. I'm with you and have done the same, but what good does it really do? What's the point?
Everquest 3 please.
You're in the wrong place. Daybreak wants to release a new Everquest IP by 2028, but that's pretty much "vaporware" right now as the term so many mongoloids here like to aptly use.
@@Section.9 🤣
@@EQOAnostalgia 🤣🤣🤣
@@Section.9
let's go devs!!!! hip hip hurray
The characters look seriously bad. Nobody going to invest time leveling up some roblox model.
I am back on board
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this game is taking so long to be released its gonna be outdated before its even out
Bring back Minus
Bring back Kilsin. Wish we could Rez Brad. This "Project" needs a HERO.
yes the new people you bring on the team liked the PVP/extracting crap all the old supporters hate.. AMAZING PEOPLE you bring on the team. cough Shows how bad the leadership of this sinking ship is. They not gonna update the matrix, they gonna fock it up. mark my words :)
Words marked. Did you listen to this video? He explained it quite clear the intention of the extraction mode and indirectly said that people very obviously misunderstood its intentions - which will slow their development temporarily until they get back into a normal cadence.