Thanks for the great series, I think most will agree these have been really fun to watch! In this video and other similar vids can you mention or add in the caption what boat and size you’re running? Another video idea might be to argue what boat/size or a range of sizes you think is best for the popular runs out there. Cheers
Thanks learning techniques for the upper Gauley. Ran the lower already, no problem. Would love to come get on the Illinois sometime. So beautiful 😍 Thanks again!
Zach I’m some what new to rafting this video was extremely helpful. The way you slow down and loose momentum will really help me. I’m going to practice this as soon as I can. I like all your videos and I have been studying them closely. Keep it up. 👍
Thanks for the tips on slowing down for control, very useful. A question that has been on my mind since getting stuck in the fish ladder at Rainie Falls on the Rogue: Would my raft track better going down stream better if the weight of the gear pile be on the bow instead of the stern? Thoughts?
I loved this whole series, but I tend to run higher volume rivers, sometimes with tiny or non existent eddies. Do you have any video of you running higher volume stuff you could share and describe your thoughts and movement through? This is so helpful for the creeks and smaller rivers in Colorado, but how does it translate to the bigger stuff on the Green and Colorado rivers, or even on the Salmon in the Spring??
Getting good video of making moves on high water rivers is difficult to do. Partly because the features aren't as obvious from drone or GoPro and partly because we don't have many larger volume rivers in Oregon. The same general principles do apply to big water.
the principals apply to any river but the difficulty depends on the boat and rapid but also the salmon in the spring its fluctuating so much that some waves disappear and reappear but one thing is the salmon high over the last few decades has been way high than the the Colorado's
Been enjoying the video styles greatly - not much I'd change to be honest. Have you encountered folks running the Illinois on smaller craft such as a technically inclined Alpacka raft? From my understanding, much of the harder stuff could be portaged as needed - I know the focus of this channel is more on the big rafts but figured I'd ask. (P.S. - I ran across your Upper Clackamas rapid guide earlier this week and had a good chuckle when I realized it was you - you've got a very natural talent for making these topics approachable!)
I thought your skill going through the rapids and description of was genius. I travel a great deal of white water,, love it. Utah, Arizona, Wyoming,,, in an expedition size canoe 20'. But as the hair grays,, I am thinking raft. Easier, calmer, slower. That same stretch you just traveled,, I would be going 5 to 10 times faster. Canoes pick up speed amazingly. And really hard to hold them back. Not the best boat for tight or big rapids.
At the beginning of the video I begin by pushing the entrance of Submarine hole and then change to pulling half way down. In the second video of Prelude I push into the eddy and then pull before making the main drop and then pull into the eddy. Is that what you're looking to see or are you interested in something else?
@@GearGarageTV I would love to see the same rapid, same boat, once pushing once pulling. I may try to film that. admittedly I only row to carry gear. Not sure I have ever rowed a light boat.
@@peterbenedict6363 That's a great idea. We'd need to find a rapid that can be either pushed or pulled and is still interesting. The most interesting rapids (to me) require a combination of both pushing and pulling.
@@GearGarageTV Of course but usually once you start pulling (upstream ferry) you keep pulling because your difference with the current is in that direction. If you start pushing (downstream ferry) then your difference with the current is downstream. It takes more effort to transition from downstream ferry to upstream ferry or vice versa. Unless you are using a feature to help change your momentum ie pull into an eddy above a slot and push a couple stroke to move through then bump a rock to back ferry again.. The video "class 1v rosing school April 6-9" You have some good examples of pushing and pulling on wall shot and turbo throbulator.
@@peterbenedict6363 It does take a lot of effort to switch from pushing to pulling but sometimes rowing rafts takes a lot of effort. Using features really helps but sometimes you just have to grind it out - especially on more difficult rivers.
Thanks for the great series, I think most will agree these have been really fun to watch! In this video and other similar vids can you mention or add in the caption what boat and size you’re running? Another video idea might be to argue what boat/size or a range of sizes you think is best for the popular runs out there. Cheers
Thanks learning techniques for the upper Gauley. Ran the lower already, no problem. Would love to come get on the Illinois sometime. So beautiful 😍 Thanks again!
Awesome runs and great blow by blow of your approach to rapids
Impressive rowing. Thanks for the education.
Sweet! I can't disagree with any of this!
Thanks, man! Full of helpful advice and I appreciate it!
I wish I had access to these videos when I started guiding 15+ years ago. Great content and perspective. Thank you!
Thank you for the nice note!
Great video . Thank you for the concept of slow momentum and use of Eddys.
Glad you liked it!
Zach I’m some what new to rafting this video was extremely helpful. The way you slow down and loose momentum will really help me. I’m going to practice this as soon as I can. I like all your videos and I have been studying them closely. Keep it up. 👍
I'm stoked to hear that!
Great vid
Great video. Keep them coming.
Prepping for my first year as a raft guide and I really appreciate your technical vids. Just the confidence boost and inspiration I needed.
That's great to hear!
Haha love the pins and clips!
I love that this is solid contact thank you so much
Great footage. Super helpful.
Love the content!
Thanks!
Inspiring Video. I hope to have similar skills some day. Thanks!
Practice, practice, practice
Thank you Zach, that is definitely some technical maneuvers! I hope to get to that ability someday!
Well done. Smaller raft and and tighter river than I've ever rowed.
That's a big tube 16' raft
Slow is smooth. Smooth is fast!
Useful stuff man. Thanks.
I like your comments about momentum...but you can use momentum in ferrying to catch rock eddies and move across the river .
Great video
Where can we buy this 1 person row boats?and what kinda should we get?
good informative video
Thanks for the tips on slowing down for control, very useful.
A question that has been on my mind since getting stuck in the fish ladder at Rainie Falls on the Rogue: Would my raft track better going down stream better if the weight of the gear pile be on the bow instead of the stern? Thoughts?
Probably. It's complicated.
I loved this whole series, but I tend to run higher volume rivers, sometimes with tiny or non existent eddies. Do you have any video of you running higher volume stuff you could share and describe your thoughts and movement through? This is so helpful for the creeks and smaller rivers in Colorado, but how does it translate to the bigger stuff on the Green and Colorado rivers, or even on the Salmon in the Spring??
Getting good video of making moves on high water rivers is difficult to do. Partly because the features aren't as obvious from drone or GoPro and partly because we don't have many larger volume rivers in Oregon. The same general principles do apply to big water.
the principals apply to any river but the difficulty depends on the boat and rapid but also the salmon in the spring its fluctuating so much that some waves disappear and reappear but one thing is the salmon high over the last few decades has been way high than the the Colorado's
Been enjoying the video styles greatly - not much I'd change to be honest. Have you encountered folks running the Illinois on smaller craft such as a technically inclined Alpacka raft? From my understanding, much of the harder stuff could be portaged as needed - I know the focus of this channel is more on the big rafts but figured I'd ask. (P.S. - I ran across your Upper Clackamas rapid guide earlier this week and had a good chuckle when I realized it was you - you've got a very natural talent for making these topics approachable!)
Thanks for the comment. Yes some people do run the Illinois in small boats at low water and portage the bigger rapids.
I thought your skill going through the rapids and description of was genius. I travel a great deal of white water,, love it. Utah, Arizona, Wyoming,,, in an expedition size canoe 20'. But as the hair grays,, I am thinking raft. Easier, calmer, slower. That same stretch you just traveled,, I would be going 5 to 10 times faster. Canoes pick up speed amazingly. And really hard to hold them back. Not the best boat for tight or big rapids.
Yes rafts have some big advantages over canoes!
@@GearGarageTV Laughing,, but canoes are so much more fun. My knees, as I age, might disagree with that fun part.
So different from the rivers here in Utah.
Great vid Zach! I am based out of Ashland, do you offer runs on the iL with customers rowing their own boat?
No, I'm really sorry but we don't
Why the pins and clips on a technical river Zach?
For MANY reasons including they help keep you in the boat and they are easier to ship
Are those shoe laces from a old pair of 5-10 Canyoneers?
No
I realize that going slow and pulling is crucial in these rapids but it would be cool to see pushing and pulling the same rapid.
At the beginning of the video I begin by pushing the entrance of Submarine hole and then change to pulling half way down. In the second video of Prelude I push into the eddy and then pull before making the main drop and then pull into the eddy. Is that what you're looking to see or are you interested in something else?
@@GearGarageTV I would love to see the same rapid, same boat, once pushing once pulling. I may try to film that. admittedly I only row to carry gear. Not sure I have ever rowed a light boat.
@@peterbenedict6363 That's a great idea. We'd need to find a rapid that can be either pushed or pulled and is still interesting. The most interesting rapids (to me) require a combination of both pushing and pulling.
@@GearGarageTV Of course but usually once you start pulling (upstream ferry) you keep pulling because your difference with the current is in that direction. If you start pushing (downstream ferry) then your difference with the current is downstream. It takes more effort to transition from downstream ferry to upstream ferry or vice versa. Unless you are using a feature to help change your momentum ie pull into an eddy above a slot and push a couple stroke to move through then bump a rock to back ferry again..
The video "class 1v rosing school April 6-9" You have some good examples of pushing and pulling on wall shot and turbo throbulator.
@@peterbenedict6363 It does take a lot of effort to switch from pushing to pulling but sometimes rowing rafts takes a lot of effort. Using features really helps but sometimes you just have to grind it out - especially on more difficult rivers.