I think some of those "idiosyncratic" ETNZ tacks were in response to what they saw on the course. It's easy to be on the lay line and then see a massive lull and area of glassy water between you & the gate and just know that you're going to underlay unless you tack immediately.
exactly. And it’s too easy to vaguely ramble on camera, spending 23mins to say what could have been said in 2mins haha. Mozzy is like a bookmaker in horse races, his « analysis » always explains beforehand which horse will win, and then a different « analysis » explains why it did not hahaha
Also TNZ in light conditions if it's not too lumpy don't pay as much penalty for the actual tacks. So if there's substantially more pressure alongside the lane you're in, OR if you see a knock ahead, it makes sense to change lanes.
The coms on ETNZ were way better regarding reading what the wind was doing. Less about lucky more about skill. As Burling said, it was very similar to sailing off Takapuna or Auckland east bays. They eat these conditions for dinner
Gentlemen, this was a beat down. The Kiwis stole INEOS’s lunch money. Can the Brits come back? Of course. Although listening to the two of you I’m thinking, if ifs and buts were candies and nuts everyday would be Christmas. Give the Kiwis credit. They’ve won six of eight races. That’s not just luck.
Luck? I hope nobody is really believing that ETNZ is winning for a matter of luck. They are superior in probably in each and every point of view that you want to watch these races of the America's Cup. There's just no match, no competition at all. Actually, at this point, I'm wondering how did INEOS Britannia win those two races Wednesday.
@@roYTube68 : Well, Team New Zealand coming off the foils at the start contributed to one of their losses. Light conditions and choice of kit, tactical decisions too perhaps. The kiwis are sailing well, and maybe a faster boat, but i wouldn't write the brits off. The kiwis do seem to have an edge. I have the feeling that even if the brits got their nose out front early team New Zealand would stay in the game threatening them. Responding to the variability of conditions on the course were a huge factor in these last two races. I remember way back when on match point with New Zealand leading in very light conditions and near finishing to win, the race was cancelled for having gone over time. Dennis Connor came back to win all of the remaining races to take the cup. So, " It ain't over till it's over " as we keep being reminded.
TNZ are quite comfortable sailing in "unpredictable" shifty conditions, it's just like sailing at home in NZ. You may call them questionable tactics but I think instead they trust in making unconventional decisions, which as it turns out, actually suit the conditions. They trust in it and make it work.
Agree totally, having sailed for years in the harbour and gulf in Auckland NZ the first thing you learn is how to read the water and wind, if you can’t, you lose. As a kiwi my confidence in the team is high.
Yes. I think I was more relaxed about their prospects after their bad day, despite the two losses. In the first race, Pete was clearly having a bad moment (possibly, a bad day, if the Italian media were - for once - right) when he uncharacteristically pulled rank on Nate (who unlike PB could see the other boat, and see that NZ was crossing safely) to call for the gybe. And he doesn't generally repeat small errors, let alone ones which cost a race. But the composure, skill, and design flair which was revealed by them staying within bounds and yet getting back onto the foils unaided and relatively quickly, under such adverse circumstances, was quite an eye opener. And in the second race, while they confirmed my prediction that they'd be in deep trouble if they were more than a few seconds behind round Mark 1, they came so close to digging their way back out of it, in conditions which suited the other boat, that I thought the Cup was all but won. So then, when the weather gods dished up a "souwest off Takapuna beach" for the next race day, I seem to recall greeting the news with a sort of mental 'happy dance'
Ben has too much to do, the Kiwis have a much more distributed approach. Nathan has 3 years on the team. The “over to you Nath” says it all. Dylan is a world class sailor he just has not had the time required. Burling, Tuke, and Maloney have had years of sailing together.
@@fendallhalliburton645 Ben just feels the need to input into everyone else's job all the time. On ETNZ, Pete and Nathan simply trust everyone else is going to do their part. And do it well. The middle of a race is not the time to be changing the processes.
Far more discussion on the Kiwi boat about shifts and linking them together for the next leg. Seems like a full team of 4 working hard on it vs two on IB.
@@raymondc9896 so what....they are still part of the team. Dont be a brit and sail the boat alone. You can describe each individual role...but never call it a team of 4 Donkey
It seems like INEOS need a very, very specific set of conditions to really perform at peak whereas ETNZ have a boat that is good in most conditions 🤷♂️
They also have two helmsmen with far less pressure on their shoulders and can afford to take risks like tacking away into "potentially" more pressure only to lose that advantage. Ineos HAVE to win. There is little prospective for ineos anymore.
You speak about headsail size and mention that perhaps going one size smaller would help. However, I think ETNZ can make a smaller headsail work because of their control on the main sheet settings. ETNZ have a uniqueness about how they control their sheet tension, and can probably get away with a smaller headsail because of that uniqueness.
I'm sure you're right, but there are (I'm guessing) additional factors. Their ability to glide into the wind during the middle phase of each tack, provided there's not too much chop, suggests to me that their foil design must provide slightly less hydro drag for a given amount of lift. If so, then that lets them use a slightly smaller sail plan, which further reduces drag (except this time it's aero drag) because the jib has to cross the centreline during a tack, and the bigger it is, the more unwieldy, so as well as simply more area drag, you get drag from it not being taut throughout. And so it's a virtuous spiral. The twin mainsheets, I'm certain, helps manage the mainsail so that it is optimally shaped throughout the tack for minimum drag. Being such a big sail, this is a big deal. Without the twin skin innovation, I'm pretty sure foiling tacks would be a nightmare. A wingsail is probably the minimum viable choice, but these twin skin sails are a game changer for drag when head to wind.
@@Gottenhimfella In the videos I’ve watched, the ETNZ main sail always seems to be crease free, this must also assist with laminar airflow and eddy control of the air, which, as we all know, is drag.
@@Gottenhimfella Isn't the smaller sail plan the main factor of reduced drag during a tack? The whole rigg in 50 Knots head on breeze produces more drag than the little foil in 35 Knots water flow.
@@briandalrymple9986 True, however LR had the smoothest sail shapes of all the teams arguably, yet they still lost to INEOS. LR didn't even have tell-tales on their sails.
I think Jimmy Spithill will have received a roasting from Patrizio, who publicly stated that this was the fastest LR boat ever and had the speed to make it to the Cup. I think Jimmy is bowing out on a low like Dean Barker. LR's pre-start tactics were highly predictable and particularly uninspiring.
@@PenguinracerI agree that Jimmy’s pre-starts against Ineos were too predictable and cost them the LVF. However, Dean Barker in San Fransisco was also a victim of Dalton’s decision take a rest day on match point for the sponsors. This gave Oracle enough time to change hardware and they were the faster boat from there on. If Dalton wasn’t team boss I think ETNZ would have thrown him under the bus!
@@craybro Gee. I wish people would stop recycling that ridiculous rumour / conspiracy theory about a secret Herbie. It would have been totally illegal under the rules, and the independent (and expert) measurers were all over Oracle's boat before every race of the finals, due to their prior cheating in the smaller boats. Enough already! I could have throttled Peter Lester for trotting that out from the commentary pulpit during the last race. I'm a rabid kiwi fan of TNZ but I'm also a mechatronics designer and I know exactly what was actually fitted, with the knowledge and consent both of the measurers and TNZ, and the principles of the mechanism were available (because they'd cleared it with the rules people and the measurers) to everyone with an internet connection and a pulse ... which I suppose is why it was widely misinterpreted by non-tech savvy sailing people as something radical, and Chinese whispers did the rest. It was simply a clever but unremarkable enhancement to their Human Machine Interface, which allowed Spithill to preselect a given foil "Angle of Attack" change with multiple pushes of the up (or down) button on his steering yoke, each push pre-selecting (say) half a degree of increment or decrement, eg six quick pushes for a three degree alteration ... and then forget about it. The foil would keep moving, as oil became available from the grinders' efforts, until it matched that pre selected angle. If that's an autopilot, I'm sexually irresistible. Prior to that, he had to keep his finger on the button AND keep an eye on the AoA indicator until the move was complete. Not ideal. If TNZ wanted to do the same, I could have built them one overnight. My phone did not ring.... (they probably built their own!)
Guys... Its a bit hard to talk up the TWO race wins for INEOS of the other day. In one of those races, they had a one km advantage because ETNZ came off their foils before they even got going... so can't really put too much on that one. In reality its one race where they definitively put it on ETNZ.
And even in that second race, if NO is to be believed (and in the past he's been pretty straight) the error which got GB off the hook in the prestart was unforced. ie, another "own goal", rather than a move from GB they could not have forestalled. I'm not generally inclined to put any store by what Italian media say, but apparently they reckoned Burling was crook (kiwi for unwell) on that day. I had wondered, on hearing how he dealt with Nathan's input on whether they could cross GB, if something was wrong. He seemed to me very flat. I put it down to another glitch with the race software (which would have been the only way he could have had an opinion, given that he was blind on that tack) but it could also, or instead, have possibly been that he was off his oats. I imagine he would normally deal with a glitch with his trademark flexible, fluid fatalism. Rather than Marvin the terminally depressed android, which was more the vibe I thought I was picking up (although diluted to about 0.001)
@@lastpenny849 Ineos did play a part in getting ETNZ of the foil though. After that they only had to stay safe and get the boat around the course. No need to press the boat more than necessary
@@JuliusMartens Oh, I agree. TNZ were indecisive and paid for it. The problem INEOS have now is that they have seemingly played all their start box cards, TNZ have seen them all and I can't see any more big surprises unless it's 7.5 knts today and they decide to race. Anything above 11 knts and INEOS don't stand a hope.
What is going to determine the result is that when NZ are in front, they pull away. The race Ineos won (where NZ didn't fall off the foils), NZ were on their tail the whole way and the margine was under 10 secs. NZ are the better boat all round.
@@daveloch905in INEOS defence they were just insuring that they don’t fall off the foils which is a wise move. The pressure is on NZ to run them down while risking falling back into the drink themselves.
Clearly ETNZ comms made decisions together from what they saw in front of them. I'm of the opinion they read the shifts and puffs perfectly and created their own luck.
@@maffrosenot a mistake. Look at the shape of that band of bend? It’s not like the map in AC40 simulator game where you can read the wind coming down, the boats don’t get that data. ETNZ just hooked into it perfectly.
How many times does a team need to be lucky with shifts before it's not luck... INEOS spent half the time discussing trim, cant, traveller etc. basic boat handling things. ETNZ spent the entire time heads up discussing, shifts, gates, lays etc, even the trimmer and flight controller were doing this.
Great point. On a day like today, a fair bit of the time, NZ comes across almost like a single thinking machine with a quad core processor. And that also points to why I think Rob's suggestion -- of a hail Mary GB jib call (assuming he's right, and that a smaller jib would enforce using different dynamic settings for foil cant, trav, twist, heel, etc) -- would involve a substantial cognitive overburden, given that they seem a bit "siloed", unless they'd had the chance to practice under similar conditions. This is clearly not likely unless there's no racing at the weekend. And even then, it would by definition not be suitable practice conditions... I don't imagine they'll do any more laydays until the contest ends.
@@pauloalvesdesouza7911not confidence they enjoy what they do and enjoy racing with each other and treat it like normal kiwis “ just like throwing a footy around “ the British are too uptight enjoy it soak it up
@@ryanbason9234 yeah maybe you're right about the uptightness of the brits. Pete and Nathan can simultaneously look extremely relaxed and professional while riding those beasts Also they knew that they had just put their hands on the Cup, again. It would be nice to see England winning it for the first time, but I'm happy with it staying with the kiwis.
The Kiwis installed a turbo button on the boat with the time in the shed. Somehow Pete and Nathan can just drive the boat faster. Credit where it is due.
I think that Ben should have kept his sarcastic comment to himself. After winning two races still being two races behind. He said the Kiwis should have been out practising more on their lay day. He got spanked today .ETNZ is faster and sailed better
especially considering that one win was handed to him by the Kiwis falling off the foils at the start, and the only real win the margin was just 7 seconds… 😉
Cripes, he's just taking the piss. Hardly the ANZAC spirit to do anything but laugh companionably and understandingly, it's mateship at it's highest. Although Aussies take it far too far with their cricket sledging, which is plain mean-spirited at best -- not light hearted in delivery, and nothing near humorous even in intent. I can understand locally grown Poms taking exception to a knight of the realm firing a light hearted pot-shot at a bunch of "commoners", but down under, those generational class struggle resentments died out over a century ago, I'd have thought? Dissing the umpires, that's different. That's a dick move anywhere, including down under.
@@Gottenhimfella you dont have a clue as to what goes on in his head. Judging by his whining throughout the tournament the guy definitely cones across as a big baby
@@brucefale6132 So clearly you think you DO know what goes on in his head. Whereas I do not need, nor do I pretend, to know what's in his head, because I was suggesting what the NZ team would be best to *assume* that he was doing was "just taking the piss", as any red-blooded Kiwi or Aussie might do in his place. And it seemed to me their fans, if they wanted to support Team NZ, might do well to follow suit: ie not be precious snowflakes, taking offense at unmerited digs. So I guess if you identify as a snowflake, that might raise your hackles. Melt away, be my guest.
So glad the quality and sportsmanship has improved since the days of Dennis Conners. The British a class act in dealing with a Team NZ that has clearly done its homework. If it had been the old days, the Americans would have protested the wind and demanded WADA intervene and dope test the Spanish sea breeze.
Actually I don't think Dennis C was the lowest point. There were some really bad instances early on in the 20th century , and 1871 was a real doozy: The NYYC would turn up at the start of each race with several defender yachts and field the one best suited for the day's conditions. (Prior to that they had fielded a fleet, against a single challenger, so I suppose 1871 was an improvement. Their excuse had been that the original contest was in that format, round the Isle of Wight. Similarly they insisted that the challengers sailed there from their country of origin, as America had done to win the Cup in the first place.)
Mozzy Mozzy Mozzy, did you listen to the coms coming off the defenders in race 7 of the two upwind beats you tried dissecting? "Lets just follow the wind" "it looks soft in the middle and left" "lets just take the comfy lay" reality is if you're brought up sailing in Auckland in south westerly off Takapuna that's your bread and butter tactics, no luck just smarts
If Ineos is so much faster in straight line speed why does ETNZ open the time distance at each mark rounding in almost every leg. I think the gap reduced slightly in 1 leg of the 2nd race yesterday. Even in the the races ETNZ lost the deficit at every mark rounding was reduced not extended.
Ummm .... Because they take a while to get up to their top speed. TNZ accelerate faster, to a slightly lower peak (a bit less slight, off the wind). These courses being so narrow, INEOS rarely get long periods at max Vmg to make up for their lost ground in manoeuvres. I wonder if the F1 designers didn't quite realise just how much that changes the picture. Everyone says the fastest boat always wins, but 90% of the instances relate to courses from a bygone era, where they were essentially constricted only by the need to avoid overlaying or (in more recent decades) hitting a spectator craft
they don’t even analyse the data right. Mozzy himself once said that the frequency spectra exclude a lot of data, starting with the tacks plus margin before / after. He is analyzing in his own world, which isn’t reality. If he was analyzing properly, he would be able to make reliable forecasts, not just ex post explanations about what happened (and now bc of his fanboy stance he can’t explain that either haha)
One can see how superior Team NZ is , just watch their boat which slides effortlessly above the water while Team Britain bounced in and out of the water.
In other circumstances, such as waves which are bigger than the wind would normally create, the boot is on the other foot. As we saw in the previous two races, and several occasions in the LVC.
Are you serious (for a previously serious data-influenced chat show)? If ETNZ hadn't tried to be too clever and splashed down, and gifted Ineos the race, then Ineos has only won 1 race, and that wasn't that much ahead. The margins on the rest of them have been significantly ahead of Ineos. ETNZ could loose from here (don't talk about SF), BUT I suggest it is unlikely. They simply have a better team, in every direction including it seems a better weatherman. So despite using all their resources including F1 expertise, against ETNZ, they are simply not good enough. The biggest congrats goes to Grant Dalton, who picked the team up after SF (which really destroyed Dean Barker), and made it a superior machine. From the floor sweeper to the skipper.
F1 know nothing about sailing! They live in an ideal world where 98% of the variables are known. Air tunnels do a shitty job of dealing with sea state, gusts, shifts, etc. and are great at designing airfoils for known conditions. But start adding in too many variables and their models turn to shit. Great engineers no doubt but it would take them half a century to get proper models to work for this application. JMHOP
Thanks you for stating it plainly. I do believe they were a serious data-influenced show. They have slipped out of their wind stream it seems to me and been seduced by partisan thoughts of 170s of longing. Even so, they are great and have some great information.
ETNZ didn't "try to be too clever and splash down". Burling was off form, the plotting display was playing up (Pete was on the offside and couldn't see GB) and for once he didn't trust Nathan's instincts, and acted out of an abundance of caution to avoid getting dialed down. You can be sure he learned a bunch. (Including, I hope, having a comparably brilliant substitute helm trained up next time, warmed up in the wings and itching to go. Shades of Dean Barker in 2000. Or Marco Gradoni, for LR, who was Rolex Yachtsman of the year five years ago, aged 14 or 15. I bet Jimmy S was tempted to sub him in when GB started making inroads in the LVC final, but unless JS was compromised, to do so would have been unfair and possibly jeopardised the brilliant future of a generational talent.) I realise that's entirely peripheral to your point, but you are imputing an agenda which is inconsistent with any previous behaviours.
@@mlbussard Interesting suggestion. I think also they might have underestimated the importance of acceleration even at the expense of top speed. These courses are so narrow it's much more like go-karting than F1.
Realistically ineos have won 1 race and only just. And in those 2 races the first etnz closed the gap by 1 minute. Its very much Team Nz vs Ben and his crew.
I don't know why you would discount the value of the other win. No they didn't win it on outright pace, but they did what you do in match racing, you make the other guy's life harder, and they kept their noses clean.
@@weatheranddarknesstotally agree with you. A wins a win and a loss is a loss. Still had to sail the course without splashing down. Big ETNZ fan but credit where credit is due. Never count out your opponents. Give them a taste of Kiwi.
Definitely a bit of a pasting! By the way, I seem to remember you suggesting that their mainsail system might be their Achilles heel. Do you really think ETNZ learnt from Ineos? I seem to remember they only lost by 7 seconds in race 6.
Yes, they thought the twin sheet main was going to be power hungry. The cyclor wattage output data after the race is very similar for both boats so the system must be very efficient, especially if they’re also moving a jib boom under the front deck.
His point was that INEOS had improved considerably. They had been getting walloped prior to that win. You might also have missed how he pointed out they'd been improving by copying NZ in respect of points of difference, and that NZ might beneficially see if they could do more of those (copied) things than they already were. (There is admittedly an inherent but often misguided human tendency to assume that if a bit of something is good, then more will necessarily be better, but I guess he covered that by expressing it as a speculation.) I'm a kiwi, and a great admirer of TNZ, but I think you are possibly being a bit of a fanboi on this particular point.
Yes I remember also! Mozzy made of his usual super long and not focused “analysis “ about how the two mainsail sheets were a “clear disadvantage” for the Kiwis. hahahaha poor Mozzy
Better aero package overall for sure. Approx 1knt better VMG and average speed around the course today was simply jaw dropping by the kiwis. Coach Ray Davies said on their day off the design team found some big performance gains, and it showed. Once again the fastest boat will win the Cup. Hopefully you guys can say it straight that the Etnz boat is just faster.
Listening to these guys, one would think that Team NZ won the race by luck. Not so, the kiwis are so flawless in sailing and making good decisions on the run, isn't it what one needs to win any race. The Brits are good at talking, do something to get the race back on track, otherwise it will be a white wash.
@@Gottenhimfella I think he must be referring to gusts. They were training in a 20-25kt wind but the gusts peaked at 30+kts on one particular training day. At least that's what I recall being reported.
@@jamesaron1967 Fair enough, but the "out many times in > 30 knots" wording of his post tells a different story. Apart from the "many times" turning out to actually refer to (possibly) one time, To a sailor, "30 knots +" is suggestive of gusts peaking at something closer to 45 knots.
Thanks again guys for this wrap, not looking good for Rita which is a shame. From a neutral standpoint, it would have been great to see it back in Britain and all that may have come with that. How do the Kiwis keep doing it? I saw Nick who was a designer for NZ over many cups had been taken by Team GBR, who else can they get? There's something pretty freaky going on down under when such a little country can consistently win at this game. Even the wins by Alinghi were set up, strategised and helmed by Kiwis. They've obviously been lying to us: Kiwis can fly!
I think it's like Formula 1 - the design targets are constantly changing as teams identify corners of the performance envelope where they think there's untapped potential. For ETNZ that has been tacking performance, agility & post-tack acceleration.
Mozzy! Great Videos as per..but...INEOS got schooled, out sailed, The Kiwis have a faster boat and INEOS got their arses handed to them on a plate...1KM pasting is not luck...its skill, speed, design, teamwork, all superior...and good on them...its over ,.Stay on the beer or upgrade to a nice Irish Whisky and enjoy it. Its not coming home this time.
ETNZ were faster upwind and downwind by over 1-1.5 knots… my theory is that they setup the boat badly for Races 5&6… but were spot on for races 7&8. I agree that NZ gained from shifts but you still have to pick them and it's generally swings and roundabouts. A very interesting point is that Race 5, ETNZ gained 1km on Ineos over the course (after being beached for a a while at the start).... the NZ winning margin in races 7&8 was about 1km. A thought on the point about odd tactics towards the top mark... I think what was happening (and I remember thinking this when watching) was that a few times they did not commit togging left or right mark until late.... the decision seemed to be based on covering Ineos and also trying to guess which side would be better... as it did shift a few times from right to left and back.
I think nzl weren’t showing their true potentiain the lead up regattas / challenger series, ineos seems to have paid too much attention to the wave interaction with their boat so in large waves and lightish wind they worked well but they just don’t have the straight up performance that the kiwis had, the gap the Italians pulled on the kiwis during the lightning race gave me hope that ineos could fight them, but nzl clearly held something back for the finals, I know it’s not technically done yet but gg team nzl the faster boat always wins the Americas cup
Ray Davies mentioned that the designers and shore crew spent the lay day looking at data and tweaking the boat, and he seemed to think they found a bit more speed.
.... Uh no. NZL has superior tacking, and inferior top speed. If less tacking Ineos would win and pretty much all other boats. NZL determined that better tacking performance was the winning move instead of straight line performance.
Really love your work Mozzy Sails!! Really cool to see the data behind the performances. A little less objective today - “crediting ETNZ improvements to INEOS” feels a stretch. Also when ETNZ got the shift right it was “lucky”, and when they got it wrong it was a “tactical error”?
@@colin7242 Exactly. I apologise for (a few of) my fellow countrymen. We can forgive passionate Italian fanbois for letting their passions guide their protective and defensive (and in some cases paranoid) over-interpretations, and occasionally risible speculations. From kiwis, it's harder (at least for me) to understand. It was rarely evident prior to social media. Kiwis forty years ago would generally have poked their eyes out with sharp objects in preference to taking a selfie....
The Mozzy channel has been incredibly balanced and fair with it's analysis of the AC37, in spite of clear hopes for the British campaign. I love that you back your opinions with the evidence and analysis. It would have been good to overlay the wind meter readings whilst showing the tacking decisions, as I felt Nathan Outteridge's wind decisions with the "WindSight IQ" wind overlay demonstrated flawless vision for the shifts.
he WAS balanced until several days ago. Now he has become a fanboy. Mind you he has perhaps been approached by Brit money opportunities and now needs to show loyalty?
Ineos has really only won one race on the sailing merits…and it was by less than 100m. Team NZ’s two wins here were by over a KILOMTERE!! An absolute thrashing .Now Ben has his hopes set on ‘waves’….
Incredibly, this is a singular example of community passion beating everyone and everything else. ETNZ are displaying a superiority that is exceptional. It is lyrical, it is visually stunning, it sets the heart afire. It's like the perfect dive into salt water. Wind or almost no wind.
You verbalised exactly what I have increasingly been transfixed by, as this has progressed towards the shimmering present. They're not just superior in relative terms, they're transcendent in absolute terms.
Just querying the comments regarding gate bias - i.e. that NZ allowed Ineos the favoured mark at the first windward gate, and Ineos gave away 60m by choosing the left mark at the first leeward gate. Looks to me as if the gates were skewed to the course but pretty square to the new wind direction, therefore not particularly favoured in terms of distance to sail. If anything I think NZ chose the favoured mark at the top gate - judging by the angles the boats were sailing, the left mark was further downwind due to that big right shift. Very enjoyable video as always 🙂
@@Gottenhimfella I agree with you entirely. But I think that when Mozzy was talking about the favoured mark in these instances, he was only talking about the distance to sail, as an additional point to other tactical decisions not directly related to the gate, therefore the skew relative to the wind angle is the relevant bit. He’s got more data and better understanding of it than me though, so it’s just a query! 🙂
@@joelwalker81 Thanks, that makes sense to me! I think in his haste to post new content, Mozzy's quality control is currently slipping (whether or not this is a valid instance). I hope (and with some confidence) that his habitual high quality will resume until the next headlong rampage in two, three or four years...
Great analyst guys, ETNZ had the wind gods on their side today and that my friend is Sailing!! I hope the next cycle will be in identical boats like in Bermuda with teams able to develop foils ,sails etc, because after all the energy and cost in developing these boats now there is very little performance difference. I love that it's come down to the tactical brains of the teams more and more. Gooooo ETNZ
Great coverage as always guys. That big mountain splitting the breeze was really the determinant. L & R shifts don't really have as big an impact as going for the pressure, and understanding where the the new wind is coming from. I agree with the critique that perhaps Ineos's best option, early on, was to tack early onto port, and try and leverage the right more
I predicted after R2, that the likely final score will be 7-3, and I don't think I was far wrong. What's up with the huge lower camber in Ineos mainsail?? Calmish water?
@@grantsutherland6798 Agree, that set up was more for a lot of wave action. I also noticed that NZ were heads up looking around and talking.... Ineos, heads down probably looking at instruments.
@@Freethinking-MR2 it was not much different to a 49'er race the way ETNZ approached it. Best heads in the game, working as a team! Nothing more powerful than
Nothing changed between a couple days ago and today. The Brits won the first race the other day by an NZ mistake. They started over 1800m ahead and got clawed back by 800m during the race. They got lucky in race 5. Then in race 6 the Brits had all the pick of the wind and put dirty air on the Kiwis the entire race, and barely held on to win by 7 seconds. There was no change, no schooling by the Brits. Theres a reason the Brits cant build a lead when they get ahead but the Kiwis literally just piss off and stretch out anytime they take the lead. They're plainly quicker. And then what is all this talk about the British start in race 7 being so good? They chose the wrong side and the Kiwis got exactly what they wanted from the start, can someone explain to me how being 10m ahead but on completely the wrong side is a better start? Not luck, just the Kiwis making the right calls on what side they wanted. They even gave the Brits the right in race 8 and still chose correctly. The Kiwis got what they wanted both starts and were correct both times
Poms absolutely spanked. Kiwis locking it up to remain the most successful AC team in modern history. Time to lick those wounds on the way back to the UK chaps!
As a Kiwi I don't think he or any other sports person should be. They get enough fame from the sport. I would prefer the knighthoods go to 'Mother Theresa' type people who give back to the underprivileged . I'm sure the knighthood is weighing Sir Ben down...
@@theblackandwhitefilmproject ... and public servants who simply do the job they are well paid for, for forty years. When was the last time you saw a truckie or plumber knighted? (you can point to a butcher, but that's more about sports (league) and charity work)
Yesterday was sandbagging for the sponsors and venue, knowing how much speed in hand they have. I keep repeating that INEOS need rough water or its a roflstomp.
Think INEOS will be hoping for 2 days with no racing due to light winds then 2 days of stronger consistent winds and big sea state. Would've loved to see more races between luna rossa and ETNZ without sandbagging in the light.
Very interesting analysing the tactical decisions TNZ made during the race. Agree a couple of tacks they did, did not make sense. Must do better next time😊😉
The data says otherwise. Once it's up to speed in clear air, GB is a click faster upwind in Vmg (in the right conditions) and significantly faster down.
Can't really come back, we are past that point where dramatic changes in boat speed could be a game changer. Taihoro not a bad dinghy, Pistol and ETNZ just the better sailors and team, still... GB has done very well as challenger, hope they challenge again, they have definitely learned bucket loads.
I'm confused. All this discussion and opinion about stats, graphs, turning tactics and boat performance against each other, but nothing mentioned about reading conditions and picking good lanes of wind pressure? Even the broadcast commentators (as annoying as they can be), mentioned that today was less about match racing and more about finding best pressure? I'm a complete sailing noob, but watching the coverage with the wind pressure overlays and listening to ETNZ constantly assessing and discussing where the pockets of good pressure were, it seems to me the biggest factor was that they just did a better job of Mario Karting over the 'speed boost' icons than IB. Is that a misguided opinion? I find your tactical analysis really interesting, but isn't it a little over reductive to say ETNZ was just 'very lucky' when you're not weighing their decisions against real-time wind conditions?
@@Gottenhimfella Sorry my mistake. 'a bit lucky' not 'very lucky' 13:57 It's the incongruous recognition that they went from a 20ish meter lead to 500m+ in half a leg as being 'lucky' that I'm confused about. I know nothing about sailing and I'm not trying to be factitious, just interested. From an outsiders perspective, isn't part of racecraft about 'seeing the wind' per se and putting yourself in a position to take advantage of those intangible gains? And what separates the elite from the pack is the ability to see that far ahead? Or is that just a romantic myth?
I like these guys statically good reporting guys. Let me remind you Luna Rossa broke down 2 times and I was in Barcelona in August and met Grant Dalton he told me and my wife I said is it NZ vs Luna he said he to he believe INOES would be in the final so Grant Dalton did predict it to me 😂
I think that analysis from a screen vs what the guys were seeing on the water - and trying to forge linkages between pockets of pressure - mean that some moves on the screen don’t make sense, but did create linkages between pressure pockets …..
Mozzie bite ! You’re dreaming! 😂 you are trying to see for sometime now mistakes made in design etc for TENZ , last night our time Shows tnz has the potential others don’t have 😢
Are you sponsored by Estrella? Ineos had a great day the other day. There was a good interview with Blair Tuke who described the touchdown as an own goal. Ineos was in the right place to put doubt into their minds. The pre-starts between these two have taken this class to another level.
Come on Mozzy: Not a single word about ETNZ on board communications? - Nathan as the hup and decision center - his and 4 other eyes continuously observing the conditions and the other boat - Sailing, flying and trimming just side aspects of the afterwatch's work load. (or is flying and trimming done in part by some of those cyclers?) Those 4 heads are well ahead of the boat, min 1 km. This is beyond INEOS's horizon, provide some binoculars to Ben.
The only reason that INOES won two races is that NZ stuffed up badly on both races... its called having a bad day, its not because INEOS was doing anything better! A new captain might help and sail choice reading the winds!
So great to have Rob fully unleashed again with a beer in his hand. More!! Don't hold back lads.. Don't let anybody tell you you can't share your opinions Mozzy's break down mixed with Rob's opinion is the best AC analysis in my life. 🎉
Im from New Zealand and woke up at 1am to watch the racing live. I was hoping for closer racing and i feel for Ineos they caught up few times but Team New Zealand will win the cup again. Hats off to Ben and the team though impressive improvements and still cant believe they beat Prada.
Did anybody hear Nathan on the final leg apologising for being a bit jumpy up the first leg? I get it it was risk-reward big time but with match racing foundations. Never easy
Yep I heard that Grant, been so impressed with Nathan. Such a different attitude and vibe to Ineos. I still laugh at how the media pump up the "Sir Ben" "GOAT" blah blah to a sailor who has passed his used by date.
It's hard to listen to the onboard communications when Stephen the commentator tends to not appreciate that his utterances drown the more interesting onboard dialogue. I've suggested he be given a baby's dummy?
@@Freethinking-MR2 NZL are doing a great job and are great sailors, but ben is definitely not pasted his used by date lol. He is definitely in the running for the goat title
Wow Rob is back... Was not rob telling kiwis sail controll and foils are breakaway or consuming to mutch energy ? Sail controll where effective and spear some energy at less efficient places....? Is all calculating where using more power then all around to getting best of it💁♂️. Flattering and banking sail controll from ineos is mostly best over 20knots wind- then wind strength flatten sails? I watching video - saying this first minutes 🫣.
I think some of those "idiosyncratic" ETNZ tacks were in response to what they saw on the course. It's easy to be on the lay line and then see a massive lull and area of glassy water between you & the gate and just know that you're going to underlay unless you tack immediately.
Exactly
The chat from ETNZ was definitely all about staying in the wind.
exactly. And it’s too easy to vaguely ramble on camera, spending 23mins to say what could have been said in 2mins haha. Mozzy is like a bookmaker in horse races, his « analysis » always explains beforehand which horse will win, and then a different « analysis » explains why it did not hahaha
@@antoinebachmann6253 poor buggers looked broken,slumped in their chairs beer in hand, "we got a pasting.."
Also TNZ in light conditions if it's not too lumpy don't pay as much penalty for the actual tacks. So if there's substantially more pressure alongside the lane you're in, OR if you see a knock ahead, it makes sense to change lanes.
Pete Burling is a legend but Nathan Outteridge is known as the Wind Whisperer 💪 ... today was his day/element
Nathan was indeed amazing. Seems like a decent Aussie🙂...does what they do best..talk and talk. An outstanding helmsman.
Nathan has been great
At least ETNZ puts the skills to connect brains to the next level.
I'm so happy, that Nathan is on our boat 💪🏽🫶🏽
#mancrush
The coms on ETNZ were way better regarding reading what the wind was doing. Less about lucky more about skill. As Burling said, it was very similar to sailing off Takapuna or Auckland east bays. They eat these conditions for dinner
At least ETNZ puts the skills to connect brains to the next level.
They are well ahead of the boat all around the course.
Gentlemen, this was a beat down. The Kiwis stole INEOS’s lunch money. Can the Brits come back? Of course. Although listening to the two of you I’m thinking, if ifs and buts were candies and nuts everyday would be Christmas.
Give the Kiwis credit. They’ve won six of eight races. That’s not just luck.
It cracks me up ,Bert & Kerp instead of "But & Cup"
Luck?
I hope nobody is really believing that ETNZ is winning for a matter of luck.
They are superior in probably in each and every point of view that you want to watch these races of the America's Cup.
There's just no match, no competition at all.
Actually, at this point, I'm wondering how did INEOS Britannia win those two races Wednesday.
@@roYTube68Ben and his team need to have a shave like cyborg berling and Nathan to improve their aerodynamics 😂
The kiwis are better in every respect
@@roYTube68 : Well, Team New Zealand coming off the foils at the start contributed to one of their losses.
Light conditions and choice of kit, tactical decisions too perhaps. The kiwis are sailing well, and maybe a faster boat, but i wouldn't write the brits off.
The kiwis do seem to have an edge. I have the feeling that even if the brits got their nose out front early
team New Zealand would stay in the game threatening them. Responding to the variability of conditions on the course were a huge factor in these last two races.
I remember way back when on match point with New Zealand leading in very light conditions and near finishing to win, the race was cancelled for having gone over time.
Dennis Connor came back to win all of the remaining races to take the cup. So, " It ain't over till it's over " as we keep being reminded.
Their true colours are now evident.
TNZ are quite comfortable sailing in "unpredictable" shifty conditions, it's just like sailing at home in NZ. You may call them questionable tactics but I think instead they trust in making unconventional decisions, which as it turns out, actually suit the conditions. They trust in it and make it work.
Agree totally, having sailed for years in the harbour and gulf in Auckland NZ the first thing you learn is how to read the water and wind, if you can’t, you lose. As a kiwi my confidence in the team is high.
Yes. I think I was more relaxed about their prospects after their bad day, despite the two losses. In the first race, Pete was clearly having a bad moment (possibly, a bad day, if the Italian media were - for once - right) when he uncharacteristically pulled rank on Nate (who unlike PB could see the other boat, and see that NZ was crossing safely) to call for the gybe.
And he doesn't generally repeat small errors, let alone ones which cost a race.
But the composure, skill, and design flair which was revealed by them staying within bounds and yet getting back onto the foils unaided and relatively quickly, under such adverse circumstances, was quite an eye opener.
And in the second race, while they confirmed my prediction that they'd be in deep trouble if they were more than a few seconds behind round Mark 1, they came so close to digging their way back out of it, in conditions which suited the other boat, that I thought the Cup was all but won.
So then, when the weather gods dished up a "souwest off Takapuna beach" for the next race day, I seem to recall greeting the news with a sort of mental 'happy dance'
Great chat. I think some of NZ extra tacks were definitely defensive - happy to risk a little lead to stay in the puff.
Ben has too much to do, the Kiwis have a much more distributed approach. Nathan has 3 years on the team. The “over to you Nath” says it all. Dylan is a world class sailor he just has not had the time required. Burling, Tuke, and Maloney have had years of sailing together.
@@fendallhalliburton645 Ben just feels the need to input into everyone else's job all the time. On ETNZ, Pete and Nathan simply trust everyone else is going to do their part. And do it well. The middle of a race is not the time to be changing the processes.
@@fendallhalliburton645 has too much to do or does too much?
You’re right though!
@@TheUltimateWriterNZone less thing he's not having to do lately is pound the protest button.
Maybe they removed it.😊
Bens the problem not the solution, hehe
@@brucefale6132 hahaha, brilliant
These wind shifts are “Meat and drink” for kiwi sailors. This is a normal day for any sailors in Auckland.
Or in the solent UK
Far more discussion on the Kiwi boat about shifts and linking them together for the next leg. Seems like a full team of 4 working hard on it vs two on IB.
It is easier when your in the lead and control of the course
@@mlbussard people can’t talk when they’re behind?
A team of 8 bro.
@brucefale6132 i don't see the cyclist s looking for wind shifts on the kiwi boat. So tactically a team of 4.
@@raymondc9896 so what....they are still part of the team. Dont be a brit and sail the boat alone.
You can describe each individual role...but never call it a team of 4
Donkey
It seems like INEOS need a very, very specific set of conditions to really perform at peak whereas ETNZ have a boat that is good in most conditions 🤷♂️
Spot on.
They also have two helmsmen with far less pressure on their shoulders and can afford to take risks like tacking away into "potentially" more pressure only to lose that advantage.
Ineos HAVE to win.
There is little prospective for ineos anymore.
@@Team33Team33 there are certainly big differences in the helm and teams, that’s for sure!
You speak about headsail size and mention that perhaps going one size smaller would help.
However, I think ETNZ can make a smaller headsail work because of their control on the main sheet settings.
ETNZ have a uniqueness about how they control their sheet tension, and can probably get away with a smaller headsail because of that uniqueness.
You are very observant! 😊 mozzie sometime ago thought that nz main control system probably way ahead .
I'm sure you're right, but there are (I'm guessing) additional factors. Their ability to glide into the wind during the middle phase of each tack, provided there's not too much chop, suggests to me that their foil design must provide slightly less hydro drag for a given amount of lift. If so, then that lets them use a slightly smaller sail plan, which further reduces drag (except this time it's aero drag) because the jib has to cross the centreline during a tack, and the bigger it is, the more unwieldy, so as well as simply more area drag, you get drag from it not being taut throughout. And so it's a virtuous spiral.
The twin mainsheets, I'm certain, helps manage the mainsail so that it is optimally shaped throughout the tack for minimum drag. Being such a big sail, this is a big deal. Without the twin skin innovation, I'm pretty sure foiling tacks would be a nightmare. A wingsail is probably the minimum viable choice, but these twin skin sails are a game changer for drag when head to wind.
@@Gottenhimfella In the videos I’ve watched, the ETNZ main sail always seems to be crease free, this must also assist with laminar airflow and eddy control of the air, which, as we all know, is drag.
@@Gottenhimfella Isn't the smaller sail plan the main factor of reduced drag during a tack?
The whole rigg in 50 Knots head on breeze produces more drag than the little foil in 35 Knots water flow.
@@briandalrymple9986 True, however LR had the smoothest sail shapes of all the teams arguably, yet they still lost to INEOS. LR didn't even have tell-tales on their sails.
Burling and Team NZ responded well to
pressure ...they have answered the question s put in front of them
Mozzy the mind game master! Best leave that game to Jimmy Spithill and stick to your analysis as I very much doubt the Kiwis will crack.
I think Jimmy Spithill will have received a roasting from Patrizio, who publicly stated that this was the fastest LR boat ever and had the speed to make it to the Cup. I think Jimmy is bowing out on a low like Dean Barker. LR's pre-start tactics were highly predictable and particularly uninspiring.
@@PenguinracerI agree that Jimmy’s pre-starts against Ineos were too predictable and cost them the LVF. However, Dean Barker in San Fransisco was also a victim of Dalton’s decision take a rest day on match point for the sponsors. This gave Oracle enough time to change hardware and they were the faster boat from there on. If Dalton wasn’t team boss I think ETNZ would have thrown him under the bus!
yes. Oracle basically rebuilt their boat back then. The fact that Mozzy calls it a mind game, shows how shallow his knowledge is…
@@Penguinracerneeds to retire from AC.
Young fresh minds willing to roll the dice is needed.
@@craybro Gee. I wish people would stop recycling that ridiculous rumour / conspiracy theory about a secret Herbie. It would have been totally illegal under the rules, and the independent (and expert) measurers were all over Oracle's boat before every race of the finals, due to their prior cheating in the smaller boats. Enough already!
I could have throttled Peter Lester for trotting that out from the commentary pulpit during the last race. I'm a rabid kiwi fan of TNZ but I'm also a mechatronics designer and I know exactly what was actually fitted, with the knowledge and consent both of the measurers and TNZ, and the principles of the mechanism were available (because they'd cleared it with the rules people and the measurers) to everyone with an internet connection and a pulse ... which I suppose is why it was widely misinterpreted by non-tech savvy sailing people as something radical, and Chinese whispers did the rest.
It was simply a clever but unremarkable enhancement to their Human Machine Interface, which allowed Spithill to preselect a given foil "Angle of Attack" change with multiple pushes of the up (or down) button on his steering yoke, each push pre-selecting (say) half a degree of increment or decrement, eg six quick pushes for a three degree alteration ... and then forget about it. The foil would keep moving, as oil became available from the grinders' efforts, until it matched that pre selected angle.
If that's an autopilot, I'm sexually irresistible.
Prior to that, he had to keep his finger on the button AND keep an eye on the AoA indicator until the move was complete. Not ideal.
If TNZ wanted to do the same, I could have built them one overnight. My phone did not ring.... (they probably built their own!)
Guys... Its a bit hard to talk up the TWO race wins for INEOS of the other day. In one of those races, they had a one km advantage because ETNZ came off their foils before they even got going... so can't really put too much on that one. In reality its one race where they definitively put it on ETNZ.
They had an 1800 meter advantage, that ETNZ reduced to 1 km. The other race was 7 secs. If it was timed, it would be all over.
And even in that second race, if NO is to be believed (and in the past he's been pretty straight) the error which got GB off the hook in the prestart was unforced. ie, another "own goal", rather than a move from GB they could not have forestalled.
I'm not generally inclined to put any store by what Italian media say, but apparently they reckoned Burling was crook (kiwi for unwell) on that day. I had wondered, on hearing how he dealt with Nathan's input on whether they could cross GB, if something was wrong. He seemed to me very flat. I put it down to another glitch with the race software (which would have been the only way he could have had an opinion, given that he was blind on that tack) but it could also, or instead, have possibly been that he was off his oats.
I imagine he would normally deal with a glitch with his trademark flexible, fluid fatalism.
Rather than Marvin the terminally depressed android, which was more the vibe I thought I was picking up (although diluted to about 0.001)
Yes, only one race in which INEOS gave NZ a run for their money. The other race wasn't really a race.
@@lastpenny849 Ineos did play a part in getting ETNZ of the foil though. After that they only had to stay safe and get the boat around the course. No need to press the boat more than necessary
@@JuliusMartens Oh, I agree. TNZ were indecisive and paid for it. The problem INEOS have now is that they have seemingly played all their start box cards, TNZ have seen them all and I can't see any more big surprises unless it's 7.5 knts today and they decide to race. Anything above 11 knts and INEOS don't stand a hope.
What is going to determine the result is that when NZ are in front, they pull away. The race Ineos won (where NZ didn't fall off the foils), NZ were on their tail the whole way and the margine was under 10 secs. NZ are the better boat all round.
Even when they fell off the foils they chewed up 50% of INEOS’s lead.
@@daveloch905in INEOS defence they were just insuring that they don’t fall off the foils which is a wise move. The pressure is on NZ to run them down while risking falling back into the drink themselves.
@@sidknee4975 and they are just waiting to pounce ! And win the next 5
@@robertwoodroffe123 love this ... but probably not
@@robertwoodroffe123 Sounds like a line for a NZ Tui beer advert !!!
Is anyone going to suggest that the brains on ETNZ seem to read the wind regime so much better?
Wind conditions just really similar to what we get in Auckland. Bread and butter to these guys.
Clearly ETNZ comms made decisions together from what they saw in front of them. I'm of the opinion they read the shifts and puffs perfectly and created their own luck.
Your saying what we’re all thinking mate 👍🏻💨💨⛵️
Yep. British boat completly stuffed up in first race on the first leg going left looking for wind when nz were adamant “go right , big shift rigjt”.
@@maffrosenot a mistake. Look at the shape of that band of bend? It’s not like the map in AC40 simulator game where you can read the wind coming down, the boats don’t get that data. ETNZ just hooked into it perfectly.
How many times does a team need to be lucky with shifts before it's not luck...
INEOS spent half the time discussing trim, cant, traveller etc. basic boat handling things.
ETNZ spent the entire time heads up discussing, shifts, gates, lays etc, even the trimmer and flight controller were doing this.
Yes NZ pick out the shifts far too often for it to be luck.
Great point. On a day like today, a fair bit of the time, NZ comes across almost like a single thinking machine with a quad core processor.
And that also points to why I think Rob's suggestion -- of a hail Mary GB jib call (assuming he's right, and that a smaller jib would enforce using different dynamic settings for foil cant, trav, twist, heel, etc) -- would involve a substantial cognitive overburden, given that they seem a bit "siloed", unless they'd had the chance to practice under similar conditions. This is clearly not likely unless there's no racing at the weekend. And even then, it would by definition not be suitable practice conditions... I don't imagine they'll do any more laydays until the contest ends.
As long as it is not a British team it is always just luck.
@Gottenhimfella they are like the Borg Collective 😂
They're just a better all round package.
Peter Burling quote today ‘they like their circles’.
By the second to last leg of the second race there was laughter on the ETNZ comms. Talk about being confident.
@@pauloalvesdesouza7911maybe one of the cyclors farted 🤷♂️
He was laughing when he said it too lol
@@pauloalvesdesouza7911not confidence they enjoy what they do and enjoy racing with each other and treat it like normal kiwis “ just like throwing a footy around “ the British are too uptight enjoy it soak it up
@@ryanbason9234 yeah maybe you're right about the uptightness of the brits. Pete and Nathan can simultaneously look extremely relaxed and professional while riding those beasts Also they knew that they had just put their hands on the Cup, again.
It would be nice to see England winning it for the first time, but I'm happy with it staying with the kiwis.
The Kiwis installed a turbo button on the boat with the time in the shed. Somehow Pete and Nathan can just drive the boat faster. Credit where it is due.
they replaced the protest button with that turbo button😆
I think that Ben should have kept his sarcastic comment to himself. After winning two races still being two races behind. He said the Kiwis should have been out practising more on their lay day. He got spanked today .ETNZ is faster and sailed better
Should've kept his trap shut on that one.
especially considering that one win was handed to him by the Kiwis falling off the foils at the start, and the only real win the margin was just 7 seconds… 😉
Cripes, he's just taking the piss. Hardly the ANZAC spirit to do anything but laugh companionably and understandingly, it's mateship at it's highest.
Although Aussies take it far too far with their cricket sledging, which is plain mean-spirited at best -- not light hearted in delivery, and nothing near humorous even in intent.
I can understand locally grown Poms taking exception to a knight of the realm firing a light hearted pot-shot at a bunch of "commoners", but down under, those generational class struggle resentments died out over a century ago, I'd have thought?
Dissing the umpires, that's different.
That's a dick move anywhere, including down under.
@@Gottenhimfella you dont have a clue as to what goes on in his head.
Judging by his whining throughout the tournament the guy definitely cones across as a big baby
@@brucefale6132 So clearly you think you DO know what goes on in his head.
Whereas I do not need, nor do I pretend, to know what's in his head, because I was suggesting what the NZ team would be best to *assume* that he was doing was "just taking the piss", as any red-blooded Kiwi or Aussie might do in his place.
And it seemed to me their fans, if they wanted to support Team NZ, might do well to follow suit: ie not be precious snowflakes, taking offense at unmerited digs.
So I guess if you identify as a snowflake, that might raise your hackles. Melt away, be my guest.
So glad the quality and sportsmanship has improved since the days of Dennis Conners. The British a class act in dealing with a Team NZ that has clearly done its homework. If it had been the old days, the Americans would have protested the wind and demanded WADA intervene and dope test the Spanish sea breeze.
And fly to the Netherlands to try to catch the aussies out with boat deign done out of country. Bollocks.
Haha well said 😂
Actually I don't think Dennis C was the lowest point. There were some really bad instances early on in the 20th century , and 1871 was a real doozy: The NYYC would turn up at the start of each race with several defender yachts and field the one best suited for the day's conditions. (Prior to that they had fielded a fleet, against a single challenger, so I suppose 1871 was an improvement. Their excuse had been that the original contest was in that format, round the Isle of Wight. Similarly they insisted that the challengers sailed there from their country of origin, as America had done to win the Cup in the first place.)
Connors and the NYYC were a grubby mob. Even made Bondy look respectable.
Mozzy Mozzy Mozzy, did you listen to the coms coming off the defenders in race 7 of the two upwind beats you tried dissecting? "Lets just follow the wind" "it looks soft in the middle and left" "lets just take the comfy lay" reality is if you're brought up sailing in Auckland in south westerly off Takapuna that's your bread and butter tactics, no luck just smarts
Makes me think back to Dean Barker trying to do the most difficult lay and maneuver, look what happened there
Sensational K1W1 performance at it’s finest, Kiwi loving this from My Perth Where Alan Bond and Australia took this game off USA, I love this
The Freo doctor.
Have they let Bondy out of jail yet?
Good chat about sail size. NZ were always a sail smaller than LR in the 36th cup in Auckland too.
which generates less drag while tacking, just to say.
I don’t think there is any doubt the faster boat won and that’s etnz
If Ineos is so much faster in straight line speed why does ETNZ open the time distance at each mark rounding in almost every leg. I think the gap reduced slightly in 1 leg of the 2nd race yesterday. Even in the the races ETNZ lost the deficit at every mark rounding was reduced not extended.
Thsese two are just grasping at straws trying to soothe the anger
Ummm .... Because they take a while to get up to their top speed. TNZ accelerate faster, to a slightly lower peak (a bit less slight, off the wind).
These courses being so narrow, INEOS rarely get long periods at max Vmg to make up for their lost ground in manoeuvres.
I wonder if the F1 designers didn't quite realise just how much that changes the picture.
Everyone says the fastest boat always wins, but 90% of the instances relate to courses from a bygone era, where they were essentially constricted only by the need to avoid overlaying or (in more recent decades) hitting a spectator craft
they don’t even analyse the data right. Mozzy himself once said that the frequency spectra exclude a lot of data, starting with the tacks plus margin before / after. He is analyzing in his own world, which isn’t reality. If he was analyzing properly, he would be able to make reliable forecasts, not just ex post explanations about what happened (and now bc of his fanboy stance he can’t explain that either haha)
7-2 is all one needs to know and post event analysis is historical. Even Ainslie said the Kiwis were just too good
The wind was patchy and some of those tacks were to join up patches of perceived wind.
Luck? It’s called picking the shifts.
Anyone would think TNZ lost and Britannia won the way you jokers are bagging TNZ.
Even crediting INEOS for our good VMG today 😂
Typical British arrogance yet again.
Bagging? I think you're being a bit Italian (and if you've read a lot of comments from Prada fans about the commentators you'll know what I mean)
@Gottenhimfella ETNZ will doggy pump you boy
@@Gottenhimfella ETNZ will doggy pump you boy
Looks like the kiwis read it better than Ienos
One can see how superior Team NZ is , just watch their boat which slides effortlessly above the water while Team Britain bounced in and out of the water.
In other circumstances, such as waves which are bigger than the wind would normally create, the boot is on the other foot.
As we saw in the previous two races, and several occasions in the LVC.
Are you serious (for a previously serious data-influenced chat show)? If ETNZ hadn't tried to be too clever and splashed down, and gifted Ineos the race, then Ineos has only won 1 race, and that wasn't that much ahead. The margins on the rest of them have been significantly ahead of Ineos. ETNZ could loose from here (don't talk about SF), BUT I suggest it is unlikely. They simply have a better team, in every direction including it seems a better weatherman. So despite using all their resources including F1 expertise, against ETNZ, they are simply not good enough. The biggest congrats goes to Grant Dalton, who picked the team up after SF (which really destroyed Dean Barker), and made it a superior machine. From the floor sweeper to the skipper.
F1 know nothing about sailing! They live in an ideal world where 98% of the variables are known. Air tunnels do a shitty job of dealing with sea state, gusts, shifts, etc. and are great at designing airfoils for known conditions. But start adding in too many variables and their models turn to shit. Great engineers no doubt but it would take them half a century to get proper models to work for this application. JMHOP
Thanks you for stating it plainly. I do believe they were a serious data-influenced show. They have slipped out of their wind stream it seems to me and been seduced by partisan thoughts of 170s of longing. Even so, they are great and have some great information.
ETNZ didn't "try to be too clever and splash down". Burling was off form, the plotting display was playing up (Pete was on the offside and couldn't see GB) and for once he didn't trust Nathan's instincts, and acted out of an abundance of caution to avoid getting dialed down. You can be sure he learned a bunch. (Including, I hope, having a comparably brilliant substitute helm trained up next time, warmed up in the wings and itching to go. Shades of Dean Barker in 2000. Or Marco Gradoni, for LR, who was Rolex Yachtsman of the year five years ago, aged 14 or 15. I bet Jimmy S was tempted to sub him in when GB started making inroads in the LVC final, but unless JS was compromised, to do so would have been unfair and possibly jeopardised the brilliant future of a generational talent.)
I realise that's entirely peripheral to your point, but you are imputing an agenda which is inconsistent with any previous behaviours.
@@mlbussard Interesting suggestion. I think also they might have underestimated the importance of acceleration even at the expense of top speed.
These courses are so narrow it's much more like go-karting than F1.
Realistically ineos have won 1 race and only just. And in those 2 races the first etnz closed the gap by 1 minute. Its very much Team Nz vs Ben and his crew.
I don't know why you would discount the value of the other win. No they didn't win it on outright pace, but they did what you do in match racing, you make the other guy's life harder, and they kept their noses clean.
@@weatheranddarknesstotally agree with you. A wins a win and a loss is a loss. Still had to sail the course without splashing down. Big ETNZ fan but credit where credit is due. Never count out your opponents. Give them a taste of Kiwi.
Definitely a bit of a pasting! By the way, I seem to remember you suggesting that their mainsail system might be their Achilles heel. Do you really think ETNZ learnt from Ineos? I seem to remember they only lost by 7 seconds in race 6.
Yes, they thought the twin sheet main was going to be power hungry.
The cyclor wattage output data after the race is very similar for both boats so the system must be very efficient, especially if they’re also moving a jib boom under the front deck.
His point was that INEOS had improved considerably. They had been getting walloped prior to that win. You might also have missed how he pointed out they'd been improving by copying NZ in respect of points of difference, and that NZ might beneficially see if they could do more of those (copied) things than they already were. (There is admittedly an inherent but often misguided human tendency to assume that if a bit of something is good, then more will necessarily be better, but I guess he covered that by expressing it as a speculation.)
I'm a kiwi, and a great admirer of TNZ, but I think you are possibly being a bit of a fanboi on this particular point.
@Gottenhimfella Of course I'm an ETNZ fan boy! I'm also a fan of Mozzys channel. Go ETNZ!
Yes I remember also! Mozzy made of his usual super long and not focused “analysis “ about how the two mainsail sheets were a “clear disadvantage” for the Kiwis. hahahaha poor Mozzy
They didn’t win two on Wednesday, they won one. Team NZ LOST their one.
Yes, totally agree. It was a mistake by ETNZ that gave the win to Ineos.
Still the same result
Better aero package overall for sure. Approx 1knt better VMG and average speed around the course today was simply jaw dropping by the kiwis.
Coach Ray Davies said on their day off the design team found some big performance gains, and it showed.
Once again the fastest boat will win the Cup. Hopefully you guys can say it straight that the Etnz boat is just faster.
It wasnt an immaculate day for Team New Zealand... but yet Ineos still lost by 1000 meters 😂
Twice!
@@Shizzle685 hilarious 🤣
Beer 🍺 in hand… don’t tell me you’re drowning your sorrows 😬🇬🇧
Listening to these guys, one would think that Team NZ won the race by luck. Not so, the kiwis are so flawless in sailing and making good decisions on the run, isn't it what one needs to win any race.
The Brits are good at talking, do something to get the race back on track, otherwise it will be a white wash.
At least ETNZ puts the skills to connect brains to the next level.
They are well ahead of the boat all around the course.
More wind maybe but at home ETNZ out many times out in 25 - 30+knts
Looking forward to ya wrap up.
Thanks for ya great work
Hmm ... high 20s is all I ever saw substantiated...
@@Gottenhimfella I think he must be referring to gusts. They were training in a 20-25kt wind but the gusts peaked at 30+kts on one particular training day. At least that's what I recall being reported.
@@jamesaron1967 Fair enough, but the "out many times in > 30 knots" wording of his post tells a different story. Apart from the "many times" turning out to actually refer to (possibly) one time,
To a sailor, "30 knots +" is suggestive of gusts peaking at something closer to 45 knots.
@@Gottenhimfella Yes, that part also threw me for a loop but granted the benefit of the doubt.
@jamesaron1967 yes I should have written 25 -30 knots my apologies.
Thanks again guys for this wrap, not looking good for Rita which is a shame. From a neutral standpoint, it would have been great to see it back in Britain and all that may have come with that. How do the Kiwis keep doing it? I saw Nick who was a designer for NZ over many cups had been taken by Team GBR, who else can they get? There's something pretty freaky going on down under when such a little country can consistently win at this game. Even the wins by Alinghi were set up, strategised and helmed by Kiwis. They've obviously been lying to us: Kiwis can fly!
I think it's like Formula 1 - the design targets are constantly changing as teams identify corners of the performance envelope where they think there's untapped potential. For ETNZ that has been tacking performance, agility & post-tack acceleration.
Britain could always bid to be the venue!
@@peterm4475 that’s just hurtful!
@@Penguinraceraim for impossible and settle for reality.
@@d.Cog420 it only takes a cheque's book for that now. hopefully that's what was implied.
Mozzy! Great Videos as per..but...INEOS got schooled, out sailed, The Kiwis have a faster boat and INEOS got their arses handed to them on a plate...1KM pasting is not luck...its skill, speed, design, teamwork, all superior...and good on them...its over ,.Stay on the beer or upgrade to a nice Irish Whisky and enjoy it. Its not coming home this time.
As Pete Burling said after race 9 of the 36th Cup, "better to be lucky than good"
yes ......because he knows how good he already is 😏
ETNZ were faster upwind and downwind by over 1-1.5 knots… my theory is that they setup the boat badly for Races 5&6… but were spot on for races 7&8. I agree that NZ gained from shifts but you still have to pick them and it's generally swings and roundabouts.
A very interesting point is that Race 5, ETNZ gained 1km on Ineos over the course (after being beached for a a while at the start).... the NZ winning margin in races 7&8 was about 1km.
A thought on the point about odd tactics towards the top mark... I think what was happening (and I remember thinking this when watching) was that a few times they did not commit togging left or right mark until late.... the decision seemed to be based on covering Ineos and also trying to guess which side would be better... as it did shift a few times from right to left and back.
I think nzl weren’t showing their true potentiain the lead up regattas / challenger series, ineos seems to have paid too much attention to the wave interaction with their boat so in large waves and lightish wind they worked well but they just don’t have the straight up performance that the kiwis had, the gap the Italians pulled on the kiwis during the lightning race gave me hope that ineos could fight them, but nzl clearly held something back for the finals, I know it’s not technically done yet but gg team nzl the faster boat always wins the Americas cup
Ray Davies mentioned that the designers and shore crew spent the lay day looking at data and tweaking the boat, and he seemed to think they found a bit more speed.
Kiwis always have hidden levers that they pull when things get close - we saw that last cup I think 🤔
.... Uh no. NZL has superior tacking, and inferior top speed. If less tacking Ineos would win and pretty much all other boats. NZL determined that better tacking performance was the winning move instead of straight line performance.
@@w8stralthink etnz might a found a bit more vmg today ? That kinda takes the edge off straight line speed
@@w8stral. ETNZ has awesome straight line speed.
Really love your work Mozzy Sails!! Really cool to see the data behind the performances.
A little less objective today - “crediting ETNZ improvements to INEOS” feels a stretch. Also when ETNZ got the shift right it was “lucky”, and when they got it wrong it was a “tactical error”?
Weird decisions, lucky. Listening to this conversation, Ineos did everything right and were unlucky. Give TNZ some credit.
17:20 to be fair
@@colin7242 Exactly. I apologise for (a few of) my fellow countrymen. We can forgive passionate Italian fanbois for letting their passions guide their protective and defensive (and in some cases paranoid) over-interpretations, and occasionally risible speculations. From kiwis, it's harder (at least for me) to understand. It was rarely evident prior to social media. Kiwis forty years ago would generally have poked their eyes out with sharp objects in preference to taking a selfie....
Mozzy is just a Brit fanboy now. too bad
@@antoinebachmann6253 Obviously, he's an INEOS fan, nothing wrong with that!
I'm so sad Ineos is losing cause when it's over I have to miss mozzy sails.
The Mozzy channel has been incredibly balanced and fair with it's analysis of the AC37, in spite of clear hopes for the British campaign. I love that you back your opinions with the evidence and analysis. It would have been good to overlay the wind meter readings whilst showing the tacking decisions, as I felt Nathan Outteridge's wind decisions with the "WindSight IQ" wind overlay demonstrated flawless vision for the shifts.
The same vision he showed in 2017 AC.
he WAS balanced until several days ago. Now he has become a fanboy. Mind you he has perhaps been approached by Brit money opportunities and now needs to show loyalty?
I think Blair and Pete deserve a share of that praise as the decisions were certainly discussed with them opting to run with boat speed sometimes.
@@antoinebachmann6253Yes, I agree. He was balanced up until a few days ago.
@@antoinebachmann6253 I really enjoy his videos but I'd also noticed a bit of bias creeping in too.
Ineos has really only won one race on the sailing merits…and it was by less than 100m. Team NZ’s two wins here were by over a KILOMTERE!! An absolute thrashing .Now Ben has his hopes set on ‘waves’….
Another great analysis, Tom & Rob. IB are great at sailing in circles, for sure. Not so good at working the winning side of the course.
Incredibly, this is a singular example of community passion beating everyone and everything else. ETNZ are displaying a superiority that is exceptional. It is lyrical, it is visually stunning, it sets the heart afire. It's like the perfect dive into salt water. Wind or almost no wind.
You verbalised exactly what I have increasingly been transfixed by, as this has progressed towards the shimmering present.
They're not just superior in relative terms, they're transcendent in absolute terms.
Just querying the comments regarding gate bias - i.e. that NZ allowed Ineos the favoured mark at the first windward gate, and Ineos gave away 60m by choosing the left mark at the first leeward gate. Looks to me as if the gates were skewed to the course but pretty square to the new wind direction, therefore not particularly favoured in terms of distance to sail. If anything I think NZ chose the favoured mark at the top gate - judging by the angles the boats were sailing, the left mark was further downwind due to that big right shift.
Very enjoyable video as always 🙂
Bias is not as important as positioning relative to the next leg's wind map (pressure, and shift tendencies with time) I would have thought
@@Gottenhimfella I agree with you entirely. But I think that when Mozzy was talking about the favoured mark in these instances, he was only talking about the distance to sail, as an additional point to other tactical decisions not directly related to the gate, therefore the skew relative to the wind angle is the relevant bit. He’s got more data and better understanding of it than me though, so it’s just a query! 🙂
@@joelwalker81 Thanks, that makes sense to me! I think in his haste to post new content, Mozzy's quality control is currently slipping (whether or not this is a valid instance). I hope (and with some confidence) that his habitual high quality will resume until the next headlong rampage in two, three or four years...
@@Gottenhimfella haha maybe you’re right. I’m glad he’s getting the videos out quickly at the mo. I hope he’s getting some sleep!
Great analyst guys, ETNZ had the wind gods on their side today and that my friend is Sailing!! I hope the next cycle will be in identical boats like in Bermuda with teams able to develop foils ,sails etc, because after all the energy and cost in developing these boats now there is very little performance difference. I love that it's come down to the tactical brains of the teams more and more. Gooooo ETNZ
Great coverage as always guys. That big mountain splitting the breeze was really the determinant. L & R shifts don't really have as big an impact as going for the pressure, and understanding where the the new wind is coming from. I agree with the critique that perhaps Ineos's best option, early on, was to tack early onto port, and try and leverage the right more
I predicted after R2, that the likely final score will be 7-3, and I don't think I was far wrong. What's up with the huge lower camber in Ineos mainsail?? Calmish water?
Pete’s post-race comment said it all - Auckland sailors will get it 🤌
@@grantsutherland6798 Agree, that set up was more for a lot of wave action. I also noticed that NZ were heads up looking around and talking.... Ineos, heads down probably looking at instruments.
@@Freethinking-MR2 it was not much different to a 49'er race the way ETNZ approached it. Best heads in the game, working as a team! Nothing more powerful than
Nothing changed between a couple days ago and today. The Brits won the first race the other day by an NZ mistake. They started over 1800m ahead and got clawed back by 800m during the race. They got lucky in race 5. Then in race 6 the Brits had all the pick of the wind and put dirty air on the Kiwis the entire race, and barely held on to win by 7 seconds. There was no change, no schooling by the Brits. Theres a reason the Brits cant build a lead when they get ahead but the Kiwis literally just piss off and stretch out anytime they take the lead. They're plainly quicker.
And then what is all this talk about the British start in race 7 being so good? They chose the wrong side and the Kiwis got exactly what they wanted from the start, can someone explain to me how being 10m ahead but on completely the wrong side is a better start? Not luck, just the Kiwis making the right calls on what side they wanted. They even gave the Brits the right in race 8 and still chose correctly. The Kiwis got what they wanted both starts and were correct both times
on that second beat the Kiwis called the right before the rounding at the bottom went left to get the long beats on the shift
Poms absolutely spanked. Kiwis locking it up to remain the most successful AC team in modern history. Time to lick those wounds on the way back to the UK chaps!
We're we all watching the same race as these guys? I am no yachtie but even l could see the Kiwis were handling conditions better than the Brits!
3 Pete coming... Burling will be knighted...
*Vice Admiral Sir Pete sounds better.
He would do a better job at the wheel of our Navy boat than what the DEI skipper did.
As a Kiwi I don't think he or any other sports person should be. They get enough fame from the sport. I would prefer the knighthoods go to 'Mother Theresa' type people who give back to the underprivileged . I'm sure the knighthood is weighing Sir Ben down...
@@theblackandwhitefilmproject You've got some reading to do if you think Mother Teresa was without controversy.
@@theblackandwhitefilmproject ... and public servants who simply do the job they are well paid for, for forty years. When was the last time you saw a truckie or plumber knighted? (you can point to a butcher, but that's more about sports (league) and charity work)
Yesterday was sandbagging for the sponsors and venue, knowing how much speed in hand they have. I keep repeating that INEOS need rough water or its a roflstomp.
@@erikwellerweller8623 yes the really engineered for big sea state and high winds as their sweet spot from what we’ve seen!
As always great insights! Thx
Great insights, really enjoying the analysis and content!
Mozzy sails cant let his one eyed Brit blindness hide here. There was no luck Mozzy. Your team lost by over 1000 metres, TWICE!
I am afraid that is true and we can't protest this one.
Think INEOS will be hoping for 2 days with no racing due to light winds then 2 days of stronger consistent winds and big sea state. Would've loved to see more races between luna rossa and ETNZ without sandbagging in the light.
imagine they did not, oh wait. no need to imagine
Pistol not barker no chance of any cracking here mozzy if anything the team will come out again and send ben into retirement
Very interesting analysing the tactical decisions TNZ made during the race. Agree a couple of tacks they did, did not make sense. Must do better next time😊😉
Yup, great double circle Ineos - this if it was dancing with the stars!🕺
Pistol Pete summed this up perfectly. #predicable. Go ETNZ 🇳🇿
Home by the weekend lads, boat speed is everything and Ineos doesn't appear to have it
The data says otherwise. Once it's up to speed in clear air, GB is a click faster upwind in Vmg (in the right conditions) and significantly faster down.
Can't really come back, we are past that point where dramatic changes in boat speed could be a game changer. Taihoro not a bad dinghy, Pistol and ETNZ just the better sailors and team, still... GB has done very well as challenger, hope they challenge again, they have definitely learned bucket loads.
As a proud kiwi, I love watching all your videos and analysis. Keep it coming! ⛵️
“I’m not a complete tactical god” haha yes you are. Go ETNZ.
I'm confused. All this discussion and opinion about stats, graphs, turning tactics and boat performance against each other, but nothing mentioned about reading conditions and picking good lanes of wind pressure?
Even the broadcast commentators (as annoying as they can be), mentioned that today was less about match racing and more about finding best pressure?
I'm a complete sailing noob, but watching the coverage with the wind pressure overlays and listening to ETNZ constantly assessing and discussing where the pockets of good pressure were, it seems to me the biggest factor was that they just did a better job of Mario Karting over the 'speed boost' icons than IB.
Is that a misguided opinion?
I find your tactical analysis really interesting, but isn't it a little over reductive to say ETNZ was just 'very lucky' when you're not weighing their decisions against real-time wind conditions?
well said.
@Lex_FX asks
now it's crunch time a little bias is slipping in...
@@nem447 Of course there is - they're INEOS fans!
@@Gottenhimfella Sorry my mistake. 'a bit lucky' not 'very lucky' 13:57
It's the incongruous recognition that they went from a 20ish meter lead to 500m+ in half a leg as being 'lucky' that I'm confused about. I know nothing about sailing and I'm not trying to be factitious, just interested.
From an outsiders perspective, isn't part of racecraft about 'seeing the wind' per se and putting yourself in a position to take advantage of those intangible gains? And what separates the elite from the pack is the ability to see that far ahead? Or is that just a romantic myth?
I like these guys statically good reporting guys. Let me remind you Luna Rossa broke down 2 times and I was in Barcelona in August and met Grant Dalton he told me and my wife I said is it NZ vs Luna he said he to he believe INOES would be in the final so Grant Dalton did predict it to me 😂
I think that analysis from a screen vs what the guys were seeing on the water - and trying to forge linkages between pockets of pressure - mean that some moves on the screen don’t make sense, but did create linkages between pressure pockets …..
^ This ! ! !
Like the corridors of native bush NZ is creating between bird sanctuaries.
Almost never the shortest route, but it's about survival.
imagine if the kiwis lost two on purpose so they would finish it in the weekend
Better viewership on a weekend....
Postponement due to lack of wind will achieve the same result.
@@EndoftheRiver lacking conspiritorial theory, C+
No. Kiwis use their imagination to build faster boats. Just saying
@mark-ish 😏
You Guys are
Amazing.
"INEOS" we found some new speed" Yea right.
Haha talk it up everyday.
I regcon, ETNZ were ordered to sand bag, so to not embarrass INEOS too much and have to have an extra lay day.
That would make a tui ad in a heart beat.
Edit: maybe someone could slap a sticker of this on the old mug travel case.
now they need some more new speed and the latest book by ETNZ on reading wind shifts.
I love this channel. Thank you.
Our pleasure!
Mozzie bite ! You’re dreaming! 😂 you are trying to see for sometime now mistakes made in design etc for TENZ , last night our time
Shows tnz has the potential others don’t have 😢
Mad conversation lads 👍🏾👏🏾
Are you sponsored by Estrella?
Ineos had a great day the other day. There was a good interview with Blair Tuke who described the touchdown as an own goal. Ineos was in the right place to put doubt into their minds.
The pre-starts between these two have taken this class to another level.
Come on Mozzy:
Not a single word about ETNZ on board communications?
- Nathan as the hup and decision center
- his and 4 other eyes continuously observing the conditions and the other boat
- Sailing, flying and trimming just side aspects of the afterwatch's work load. (or is flying and trimming done in part by some of those cyclers?)
Those 4 heads are well ahead of the boat, min 1 km.
This is beyond INEOS's horizon, provide some binoculars to Ben.
Good points about the jib size!
The only reason that INOES won two races is that NZ stuffed up badly on both races... its called having a bad day, its not because INEOS was doing anything better! A new captain might help and sail choice reading the winds!
Finally, someone talking sense instead of trying to see how far down their throat they can get Ineos’s member 😂
Correct, and INEOS only won by 7 seconds in the 2nd race, their boat can't match it with the Kiwis once the Kiwis are in front.
Um, what? That's not how that works.
It was stated that Burling wasn't feeling well that day but don't know the reason.
Mozzy,, ever thought of emigrating…i am sure you would be most welcome. It is warmer and much less rain in NZ.
Warmer, yes. London and Invercargill are about the same opposing latitudes. Rain, not really.
@@mark-ish Go to Hawkes Bay, doesn't rain much there, don't go to Auckland, it rains every 5 mins.
Great Video Guys, don't worry you still have a few chances to get to 7 wins, you need 5 more! thanks for sharing
Unless I am mistaken ETNZ wins, see you in another 120 years
So great to have Rob fully unleashed again with a beer in his hand. More!! Don't hold back lads.. Don't let anybody tell you you can't share your opinions Mozzy's break down mixed with Rob's opinion is the best AC analysis in my life. 🎉
Watching this and thinking "I need a beer".
Mozzy obviously thought the same thing!
All typical moth tactics, where they don't have the software!
Been lovin your analysis Mozzy. Great insights.
Lol...making circles a great move ..bahhahaaa
this was the best discussion so far. thanks
Don't worry. THREE-PETE BURLING has got this 🏁⛵
get Rdy... Sir Peter Burling. hehe
Im from New Zealand and woke up at 1am to watch the racing live. I was hoping for closer racing and i feel for Ineos they caught up few times but Team New Zealand will win the cup again. Hats off to Ben and the team though impressive improvements and still cant believe they beat Prada.
I dont feel sorry for them they needed humbling
@@elkiwi69 when were they not humble?
@@weatheranddarkness Always!
Totally agree
My heart beat and BP is off the charts if it’s too close.
Today was awesome for my health, lol.
Did anybody hear Nathan on the final leg apologising for being a bit jumpy up the first leg? I get it it was risk-reward big time but with match racing foundations. Never easy
Yep I heard that Grant, been so impressed with Nathan. Such a different attitude and vibe to Ineos. I still laugh at how the media pump up the "Sir Ben" "GOAT" blah blah to a sailor who has passed his used by date.
It's hard to listen to the onboard communications when Stephen the commentator tends to not appreciate that his utterances drown the more interesting onboard dialogue.
I've suggested he be given a baby's dummy?
@@brianhard1841 yeah it's terrible. If viewers want a Dummies guide to yacht racing they should have a senate set of videos without his input
@@brianhard1841. There’s 3 channels. Port, Starboard and Broadcast. All audio are on Port and Starboard channels.
@@Freethinking-MR2 NZL are doing a great job and are great sailors, but ben is definitely not pasted his used by date lol. He is definitely in the running for the goat title
This channel needs a beer sponsor.
How is this commentary so much better than the big boys? couple of boys chatting over a few beers!
Thank you so much
Wow Rob is back...
Was not rob telling kiwis sail controll and foils are breakaway or consuming to mutch energy ?
Sail controll where effective and spear some energy at less efficient places....?
Is all calculating where using more power then all around to getting best of it💁♂️.
Flattering and banking sail controll from ineos is mostly best over 20knots wind- then wind strength flatten sails?
I watching video - saying this first minutes 🫣.