I’m not a City fan but they are 100% right to challenge this. The roll of a fair market value company is to give the two parties a rough idea how much they should be asking for and paying. They can tell the sponsoring company what it’s worth to them as they have no idea. The EPL under no circumstances should be attempting to restrict the financial growth of any of its members in order to benefit other members. This is exactly what they are doing
The Epl are the "members" so when everyone grows the Epl grows. And you can't ask for what you want from sponsorship when you are sponsoring yourself. All the Epl was asking was for city to show their books what is so hard to show it if your innocent
@@jaiisiinjaason"The Epl are the "members" so when everyone grows the Epl grows" I have no idea what your point is here, you have literally said when everyone grows everyone grows? The conversation is about the individual club. If one club grows by gaining success for example villa and becomes a regular top 4 side then other EPL clubs diminish. "you can't ask for what you want from sponsorship when you are sponsoring yourself" That's what the court case is about. The rules brought in prevent unrestricted related party sponsorship. City say they are illegal the EPL says they are not, I think City are correct. The EPL should not be preventing the growth of individual members to benefit its other members. If Aramco oil want to sponsor Newcastle 1 billion per season for putting Aramco on their shirt they should be allowed to do that. The EPL should not be trying to restrict that clubs growth to protect the revenue of the big six. "All the Epl was asking was for city to show their books" That is related to the 115 charges not this case.
@@houstandy1009 no surprise ofcourse you won't get it. The premier league rule is you can't sponsor the team you own with a next company you also own, by sponsoring them £1b a year and would only sponsor another team you don't own £20m a year when £15-30m sponsorship is the norm for said such companies in the market.
@@jaiisiinjaason I do get it, I know what the bloody rule is. ManCity believe the rule is in contradiction to UK law. The EPL brought the rule in to restrict the growth of certain clubs, mainly Newcastle. ManCity believe the law adversely impacts them also. As they believe the rule is in contradiction to UK law they are trying to get it overturned. No big deal, if its against the law it will and should be rolled back. If it's not against the law then it stays. I think City will win as i also think it's against the law.
It’s not that, we want fairness. The years we could’ve won it, but got beat by cheaters would suck. Cant reclaim those seasons, even if rewarded it’s not the same. If City are clear - no question they deserve to be mentioned with the great Man U, Barca and Madrid teams.
Joke of a show no city on the panel to defend us all not bothered about city and the league as been ruined look at your own clubs first. All lawyers on here who know nothing 🤡 s
Nobody wants to listen to that gloryhunting bellend Hamza or that American guy who would be supporting Coventry if the Sheik had bought them instead of City!!
Only set of people who know nothing are the city plastics like yourself. City almost has the same revenue as Madrid now and managed to do it in 10 years. You are completely deluded if you think they did that legitimately. No one knew who city were and they still can barely fill a stadium. You are the pinnacle of Brain-dead
They did it organically. They won trophies so got more fans and more revenue. They didn’t get big by being bought by a dodgy states who pumped endless money into them illegally off the books
I don't think Utd , Arsenal and Liverpool never inflated there sponsorship deals to gain an advantage those teams had natural growth,.. city have had 10 plus years with no restrictions 🤡.
This show has a massive platform and constantly makes one sided videos… lets forget the tribilism for once and actually discuss competition within the league How can teams who dont have the massive stadiums, history of success, top sellable assets bridge the gap? Anyone that thinks with the current rules a team like Bournmouth can just “do it the way Liverpool did it over time” are kidding themselves… those clubs are so far gone playing the long game isnt as feasible solution Especially when as soon as you get any sign of success (Villa, Newcastle, Leicester) youre forced to sell your best players to comply with the rules so maintaining that success just doesn’t happen Id love for once to hear a balanced conversation on this subject rather than just “we hate City and nation state clubs” Disclaimer: I’m addressing the problem and this is not a suggestion that letting everyone spend billions is the solution
Arsenal had to sell their best players for years in order to pay off our stadium and we suffered greatly on the pitch because of that for the past 20 years. Fans like you want a quick fix, so you can be competitive with teams that have had to sacrifice to grow organically for years and achieve their successes through hard work over cash injections from corrupt sugar daddies. Stop acting like it’s unfair because the 3 most successful teams in the country all created their own revenue over a very long period in time, it wasn’t over night.
The stadium capacities and tv revenue isn’t that different between the top ten clubs, the most successful clubs have the largest followings and sell the most merchandise. To expect Bournemouth to sell as many shirts internationally without ever winning anything is ludicrous. But it isn’t just about nation states pumping money into small clubs it’s about doing it illegally off the books which is just fraud and I’m surprised HMRC haven’t been involved yet
@@corybrown416 fans like you talk but dont know how the rules work, stadium building, training ground development etc doesnt go against the rules, also when you were building your stadium and selling players these rules didnt exist You talk about selling players but you wernt forced to sell players like Thierry, Fabregas etc those players wanted to leave, just like us selling players like Ba, Carroll etc the difference now is players want to stay and/or are happy to stay but the clubs are being forced to sell because of the rules You also need to do your history because the clubs you speak of all had cash injections before they were frowned upon by people like you which is where a lot of foundations were built, what youre not understanding is the clubs youre talking about are too far gone now, you think a club like Brentford can just “keep going” and build up to catch the top teams? When would they ever be able to push on? The landscape has changed but as youre benefiting from the current structure im not suprised youre ignorant to the issues with the system Cory 👍🏾
@@sargonsblackgrandfather2072 a fair and reasonable argument with which I have no issue, people talk about Newcastle like we are doing anything illegal but we actually are not, the issue for me are the rules themselves, any rule that us forcing clubs to sell, not players wanting to leave forcing clubs to sell to tick a box is wrong and anti competitive I dont see how anyone can argue that point Anyone who is proven to be breaking the rules should be punished I dont defend paying people from hidden accounts for example, my point is more about the balance within the league Your example is spot on about Bournmouth and I understand why teams at the bottom wont concern fans of top clubs but does it seem reasonable to you that those clubs may have an ambitious owner who wants to invest in his club so the fans can dream and have some level of success but he cant because his revenue wont and will never be big enough to do so?
@@n9ne_nufc You’re taking absolute nonsense. Firstly, it doesn’t matter if FFP was around when we had to sell players because we were paying off our stadium. We’re a self sustaining club who has never had a sugar daddy. Please tell me when we had the same sort of cash injection teams like Chelsea and Man City have had ever in our history. You really think people like Henry and Fabregas would’ve left if we were winning premiere league’s and champions league’s, they loved the club but as we couldn’t be competitive because of financial constraints, they left to gain those higher honours. You’re naive to believe we would’ve had anywhere near the amount of players leaving that we did in that period. Stop with the victim mentality because you can’t go round bullying everyone financially, that’s what this is really all about, you don’t care about teams like Brentford being successful, you’re just virtue signalling because it suits your argument. The rules were bought in so there’s more of a level playing field for all the teams in the league(that’s why it got a majority vote) and so irresponsible owners don’t ruin their clubs with financial doping. You complain because you don’t want to do the hard work that the Liverpool’s, Arsenal and Man U’s of this world have had to go through for generations to build their brand, fanbase and finances. You’re crying because you can’t fast track your club into a big team. Bunch of weak minded, entitled brats.
Too many crybaby fans have let off-the-pitch scenarios cloud their judgment of things happening on the pitch. Man City, Chelsea earned their Leagues, CLs etc. Ffs grow up
Think you've got brain damage. It's competitive sport, rules MUST be followed otherwise it's not a sport at all. Really not that hard to figure it out.
@sargonsblackgrandfather2072 again, where's the proof? Even the accusers haven't shown anything to the public. If this had been going on for 15 years, the severe punishment would have been doled out by now. And the organisation accusing City of these things, everyone thinks they're just as corrupt and incompetent, so why should we believe a word they say? Are City the only team in PL history to cheat or do potential shoddy business? Stop acting like they do
I’m not a City fan but they are 100% right to challenge this. The roll of a fair market value company is to give the two parties a rough idea how much they should be asking for and paying. They can tell the sponsoring company what it’s worth to them as they have no idea.
The EPL under no circumstances should be attempting to restrict the financial growth of any of its members in order to benefit other members. This is exactly what they are doing
The Epl are the "members" so when everyone grows the Epl grows.
And you can't ask for what you want from sponsorship when you are sponsoring yourself.
All the Epl was asking was for city to show their books what is so hard to show it if your innocent
@@jaiisiinjaason"The Epl are the "members" so when everyone grows the Epl grows"
I have no idea what your point is here, you have literally said when everyone grows everyone grows?
The conversation is about the individual club. If one club grows by gaining success for example villa and becomes a regular top 4 side then other EPL clubs diminish.
"you can't ask for what you want from sponsorship when you are sponsoring yourself"
That's what the court case is about. The rules brought in prevent unrestricted related party sponsorship.
City say they are illegal the EPL says they are not, I think City are correct.
The EPL should not be preventing the growth of individual members to benefit its other members.
If Aramco oil want to sponsor Newcastle 1 billion per season for putting Aramco on their shirt they should be allowed to do that. The EPL should not be trying to restrict that clubs growth to protect the revenue of the big six.
"All the Epl was asking was for city to show their books"
That is related to the 115 charges not this case.
@@houstandy1009 no surprise ofcourse you won't get it.
The premier league rule is you can't sponsor the team you own with a next company you also own, by sponsoring them £1b a year and would only sponsor another team you don't own £20m a year when £15-30m sponsorship is the norm for said such companies in the market.
@@jaiisiinjaason I do get it, I know what the bloody rule is.
ManCity believe the rule is in contradiction to UK law.
The EPL brought the rule in to restrict the growth of certain clubs, mainly Newcastle.
ManCity believe the law adversely impacts them also.
As they believe the rule is in contradiction to UK law they are trying to get it overturned. No big deal, if its against the law it will and should be rolled back. If it's not against the law then it stays.
I think City will win as i also think it's against the law.
I hope these guys have passed on all the evidence they’ve got to the authorities.
Its funny cause man city's fan base here in asia, especially south east asia is very very low
It's the same in the u.k lol 😂😂
Months delay on every deal firms walk away
Right then let’s hear Deji the specialist on… suttin
So much jealousy and hatred by the lot of you, it's sad to see...
No one is jealous or hates lance armstrong. Just disappointed they’ve watched a waste of time
Stop letting them get in your feelings. It's simple......
It’s not that, we want fairness. The years we could’ve won it, but got beat by cheaters would suck. Cant reclaim those seasons, even if rewarded it’s not the same. If City are clear - no question they deserve to be mentioned with the great Man U, Barca and Madrid teams.
Jealousy has nothing to do with it, it's a competitive sport, rules have to be followed otherwise there's no point to any of it.
Jealousy for condemning potential cheaters? That’s enough internet for today
Tyranny of the 100 and FIFTEEN 😜
You really asking this lot if they read? 😂
I love this result!!! If means my club can beat the charges too 😂😂😂 Chelsea , Chelsea , Chelsea 💙💙💙
What a load of utter bollocks,
sent to the club
Some sad people on here
Which clubs do 6 of them support? Oh shit, enough said
😂😂😂 The Arsenal Terrance!
Joke of a show no city on the panel to defend us all not bothered about city and the league as been ruined look at your own clubs first. All lawyers on here who know nothing 🤡 s
Nobody wants to listen to that gloryhunting bellend Hamza or that American guy who would be supporting Coventry if the Sheik had bought them instead of City!!
Only set of people who know nothing are the city plastics like yourself. City almost has the same revenue as Madrid now and managed to do it in 10 years.
You are completely deluded if you think they did that legitimately. No one knew who city were and they still can barely fill a stadium.
You are the pinnacle of Brain-dead
Most City fans have been in hiding since the 115 charges came out. Seen Big Steve recently 😂
You can't defend cheating lol 😂😂
No evidence if so show me. Not bullshit of UA-camrs anyway 4 in a row 🤣
So hypocritical of Utd, Liverpool & Arsenal fans who got massive with no restrictions.
Lol ur uneducated
Because it was within the rules. You want City to get away by breaking the rules. Either everyone follows the rules, or no one follows the rules.
They did it organically. They won trophies so got more fans and more revenue. They didn’t get big by being bought by a dodgy states who pumped endless money into them illegally off the books
They didn't cheat and commit fraud to get there lol "Allegedly" 😂😂
I don't think Utd , Arsenal and Liverpool never inflated there sponsorship deals to gain an advantage those teams had natural growth,.. city have had 10 plus years with no restrictions 🤡.
This show has a massive platform and constantly makes one sided videos… lets forget the tribilism for once and actually discuss competition within the league
How can teams who dont have the massive stadiums, history of success, top sellable assets bridge the gap? Anyone that thinks with the current rules a team like Bournmouth can just “do it the way Liverpool did it over time” are kidding themselves… those clubs are so far gone playing the long game isnt as feasible solution
Especially when as soon as you get any sign of success (Villa, Newcastle, Leicester) youre forced to sell your best players to comply with the rules so maintaining that success just doesn’t happen
Id love for once to hear a balanced conversation on this subject rather than just “we hate City and nation state clubs”
Disclaimer: I’m addressing the problem and this is not a suggestion that letting everyone spend billions is the solution
Arsenal had to sell their best players for years in order to pay off our stadium and we suffered greatly on the pitch because of that for the past 20 years. Fans like you want a quick fix, so you can be competitive with teams that have had to sacrifice to grow organically for years and achieve their successes through hard work over cash injections from corrupt sugar daddies. Stop acting like it’s unfair because the 3 most successful teams in the country all created their own revenue over a very long period in time, it wasn’t over night.
The stadium capacities and tv revenue isn’t that different between the top ten clubs, the most successful clubs have the largest followings and sell the most merchandise. To expect Bournemouth to sell as many shirts internationally without ever winning anything is ludicrous.
But it isn’t just about nation states pumping money into small clubs it’s about doing it illegally off the books which is just fraud and I’m surprised HMRC haven’t been involved yet
@@corybrown416 fans like you talk but dont know how the rules work, stadium building, training ground development etc doesnt go against the rules, also when you were building your stadium and selling players these rules didnt exist
You talk about selling players but you wernt forced to sell players like Thierry, Fabregas etc those players wanted to leave, just like us selling players like Ba, Carroll etc the difference now is players want to stay and/or are happy to stay but the clubs are being forced to sell because of the rules
You also need to do your history because the clubs you speak of all had cash injections before they were frowned upon by people like you which is where a lot of foundations were built, what youre not understanding is the clubs youre talking about are too far gone now, you think a club like Brentford can just “keep going” and build up to catch the top teams? When would they ever be able to push on? The landscape has changed but as youre benefiting from the current structure im not suprised youre ignorant to the issues with the system Cory 👍🏾
@@sargonsblackgrandfather2072 a fair and reasonable argument with which I have no issue, people talk about Newcastle like we are doing anything illegal but we actually are not, the issue for me are the rules themselves, any rule that us forcing clubs to sell, not players wanting to leave forcing clubs to sell to tick a box is wrong and anti competitive I dont see how anyone can argue that point
Anyone who is proven to be breaking the rules should be punished I dont defend paying people from hidden accounts for example, my point is more about the balance within the league
Your example is spot on about Bournmouth and I understand why teams at the bottom wont concern fans of top clubs but does it seem reasonable to you that those clubs may have an ambitious owner who wants to invest in his club so the fans can dream and have some level of success but he cant because his revenue wont and will never be big enough to do so?
@@n9ne_nufc You’re taking absolute nonsense.
Firstly, it doesn’t matter if FFP was around when we had to sell players because we were paying off our stadium. We’re a self sustaining club who has never had a sugar daddy. Please tell me when we had the same sort of cash injection teams like Chelsea and Man City have had ever in our history. You really think people like Henry and Fabregas would’ve left if we were winning premiere league’s and champions league’s, they loved the club but as we couldn’t be competitive because of financial constraints, they left to gain those higher honours. You’re naive to believe we would’ve had anywhere near the amount of players leaving that we did in that period.
Stop with the victim mentality because you can’t go round bullying everyone financially, that’s what this is really all about, you don’t care about teams like Brentford being successful, you’re just virtue signalling because it suits your argument. The rules were bought in so there’s more of a level playing field for all the teams in the league(that’s why it got a majority vote) and so irresponsible owners don’t ruin their clubs with financial doping. You complain because you don’t want to do the hard work that the Liverpool’s, Arsenal and Man U’s of this world have had to go through for generations to build their brand, fanbase and finances. You’re crying because you can’t fast track your club into a big team. Bunch of weak minded, entitled brats.
The league is only good when arsenal man u and Liverpool are winning ... It is just salty
No one complained when Leicester won it
Too many crybaby fans have let off-the-pitch scenarios cloud their judgment of things happening on the pitch.
Man City, Chelsea earned their Leagues, CLs etc. Ffs grow up
Think you've got brain damage. It's competitive sport, rules MUST be followed otherwise it's not a sport at all. Really not that hard to figure it out.
By cheating. If they’d followed the rules like other teams did they may have never won those trophies
@sargonsblackgrandfather2072 again, where's the proof? Even the accusers haven't shown anything to the public.
If this had been going on for 15 years, the severe punishment would have been doled out by now.
And the organisation accusing City of these things, everyone thinks they're just as corrupt and incompetent, so why should we believe a word they say?
Are City the only team in PL history to cheat or do potential shoddy business? Stop acting like they do
The players may have earned them but the club cheated to get there 😂
@@Sketch2805Studios show me the proof, I don't want to hear assumptions and gut instincts