They should be toast but because they are state owned and from the Middle East we are not allowed to question them. They think rules don’t apply to them.
Stegibbon please pay attention, this is a legal challenge to recent APT rules, it has nothing to do with being innocent regarding charges against the club
Mckola - “Are you happy for your owners to have put you in that position?” Buvey - “No. Of course not” Me - who has been watching the club/kick off for the past few years - 🤨🧐
@@connorthomas-5856that's like a drug kingpin saying they're happy with all the cars and mansions they've gotten, but not happy about doing 20 years jail time 😂
Am sure they are in the top 15! I read the other day that City are now the most watched English team in the US and have most fans in the U-35 age category. They are becoming a juggernaut whether we like it or not.
@@Lawrence4000-s3know ask how they’ve done this compared to other great English teams over history, they use loopholes and worming with litigation to join in on the history, new fans won’t care and as we age we will become old head haters as city grows but the point stands they cheated to get where they are and will forever be a second grade historical club
"Don't call me a mouthpiece for a state, I have NEVER said I support sports washing" "Man City owners are great owners" Ladies and gents, sportswashing in a nutshell. They did good by us so we can ignore all the bad stuff.
Being good owners and good people are completely separate things. We can admit that they have done wonders for City and the surrounding area while still acknowledging the horrific actions in their own country. Like Buvey said, it's not one or the other, both can be true.
@@NSorSomething The thing is, they're not separate though. They are both actions from the City owners, that impact each other relationally. Not separate, as both impact the other.
@@jinky6000no they do not impact eachother, as the funds they use for the club do not affect the funds they have available for their own country or other endeavours
"Sportswashing" is up there with "gaslighting" as one of the most meaningless, flavour of the month, phrases to gain usage in the last few years. I bet the polytechnic journalism student who came up with it wishes they could have found a way to monetise it.
The issue Buvey/Rory/Flav are forgetting is IF they are found guilty their deals are invalid and they wont be able to artificially inflate their sponsorship numbers and will only be able to spend within their means. Everyone seems to forget this. They dont get to go back to spending like they did before.
The guy in the red came from a logical and accurate financial stance. The city fan was arguing from passion; your passion can't erase financial misappropriation.
The guy in red also supports ManUtd who are run by the Glazers who used to sit on the board of AIG who used to sponsor the same club. A club which has broken multiple transfer records and after they saw their position of power being challenged pushed for rule changes so that they still hold Monopoly over such situations and rest of the clubs just follow suit like sheeps.
You can’t have a premier league without Man City is the best statement I’ve ever heard 🤣 a boring club with a half empty stadium every week that get horrendous tv figures unless there playing one of the big clubs
The absolute gall on Buvey to say that Adam didn’t let that Big Steve finish what he wanted to say on the overlap, when Big Steve’s arguments fall entirely on interrupting people and calling them bitter Buvey comes off awful in this to be honest, every attempt at talking about this objectively turns into him guilt tripping people about how they don’t want the good of football to remain intact and how any of their criticism’s fall under the category of a salty rival fan 115 is coming
The speed limit is 50mph. It's always been that. You've bought a Ferrari, you get caught doing a 120mph in a 50 zone. Is it the tyranny of Volvo owners that you're not allowed to 120mph? Everything needs 3rd party assessment in a sporting competitive environment.
Not a Man Utd fan, not an Arsenal fan, I cannot wait to see Man City gone, the league would instantly become a far greater product and all the glory hunting fans who support City would just gravitate elsewhere
What the point of winning the premier league if you can’t beat Man City mark my word Man City are not going anywhere they will hire the best lawyer barristers who will beat all the charges
Rory with the worst comment in the history of football..."What Man City represent as a club hasn't changed " ???? That's insane. 😂😂😂😂😂. "The same club as in 1993" ......madness
buvey saying 'i'm here to talk about sport not politics' is embarrassing. If that was the case then you should be able to condemn the idea of state ownership in the first place rather than continuing to defend it.
Well he undermined his own point there when he said “I have yet to see an argument that state ownership is bad” that was him directly referencing politics. I think people forget that Buvey is only in his mid-twenties and that has shovel head makes him seem older. Being good at hyperbole as he is isn’t indicative of any life skills or knowledge about anything be that debating or understanding anything more complicated than a dude kicking a ball.
Lol “sportswashing” is what about Iraq? Afghanistan ? Yemen? What about all the horrible things that England have done in the past you guys have blinders on its hilarious
Them saying if city got relegated the viewer ship would be affect majority of those fans would just pick I new club cause they were only supporting them off their success let’s be real
You think it's just the UK? City were the most watched team in the US last season. 6 out of 10 games with the highest viewing figures in the US involved City. English fans are a tiny insignificance. Oh and most City fans I know were around well before the 2007 takeover.
@@BurnCKCbecause they're winning , internationally city fans only exist because of that same way it used to be Chelsea, they'd just swap clubs to whoever is winning now, and there were literally no city fans prior to the takeover and barely any still now, I've lived in Manchester my entire life seeing someone in a city shirt is like spotting a unicorn.
@@BurnCKCbecause city had most kick off times suited to the American audience where as the likes of Liverpool had most kick off times suited the the Asian market.
No one would miss city everyone would miss, Arsenal, chelsea, united, Liverpool, Newcastle, Everton, villa etc historic clubs city is just a doped up wigan athletic
I’m here for the Adam Makola redemption arc … been roasting him in the comments for years for trashing Arteta. But I feel like he’s gotten a bit more sensible/measured in recent times and his city takes are 🔥
Buvey says City fans aren't cheerleaders for the owners and that there isn't any sports washing, whist simultaneously cheer-leading for the owners and praising the results of their sport washing in east Manchester. Literally no one outside the City fan base would care if Man City were expelled from the league, no one.
Cause its all about evidence now is it? Just ignore the clear and obvious of sponsoring yourself? So can all other teams now spend absolutely anything and just say they profited billions? Pump it all in from the owners other business... @addy5572
buvey got roasted there by adam. Adam absolutely nailed all the points he made. If city fans keep their club loyalty aside and honestly analyse the situation, its them who need the PL, not the other way around. They should be absolutely livid with their club and owners that theyve been put in this situation where they COULD be kicked out of it.
Embarrassing comment. Adams whole argument was "It's sports washing" "they are guilty you know it" like arguing with a child. Would have been good to have somebody that actually understood law.
@@addy5572Roman has already been called out by Clearlake for cooking the books. You’re stuck on stupid if you think city make the same sponsorship revenue as the likes of Real Madrid. It’s common sense and logic
@swm1203 that don't mean he knows sport laws. Sport law is a different set of rules all together. And besides if Adam was good at law, he wouldn't be on youtube
Adam is a massive hypocrite, and he's not smart enough to realise. He wouldn't even know who Sheikh Mansour was if he didn't own City. Now, millions hate him. All owning City has done for him politically is bring unwanted attention and scrutiny that wouldn't be there otherwise. Adam even says that City are so insignificant that it wouldn't matter if they were kicked out of the league. How can that be if owning the club is supposed to be a net benefit for UAE's image?
Do you feel any more favorable to City since 2008, do you know any more about the owner who's publicly appeared at the Club maybe less than 5 times in 16 years. Do you know which country exactly in the middle east the owner is from and has your opinion of the country improved. What sportswashing?
You've missed the mark entirely. You're asking the wrong side these questions. Of course rival fans aren't going to think well of the owners. You've been dominating the league for years, rival fans would hate the owners for anything they can find. But here you are commenting on every negative comment you can effectively defending them and trying to discredit the use of sports washing. If it weren't for man city being owned by them, what would you think of them, that's the important question. And why are you so supportive of their current stance against the democracy of the league. @@LionKingMCFC
@JBBoli So making a midtable club better is sportswashing? I hated the arrogance of the other fanbases growing up. I followed a midtable club that so happened to be City. I want other midtable fans to feel what I felt when City went from nothing to something. The arrogance of teams that have billion dollar squads and have spent more but mismanaged, then pretend like City fans somehow want acceptance. Nope, we trophies and records. Stop making rules that specifically target us. No one did that with other clubs.
@@LionKingMCFC you're arguing something completely different now. But yes obviously making your club better is sports washing. It's not going to help your image if you make a club worse is it? I'm not saying that they had a political agenda to do that, but yourself and other city fans can't even be critical against them when they are being unreasonable and shady. And you don't even recognize you're doing it. Enjoy the results, the players and the games but when your club owners are trying to sue the premier league and bully them into changing to voting system because of "the tyranny of the majority" have a backbone and call out what's wrong. Also, rules are made for those that take benefit from unfair advantages.
@@LionKingMCFC this is the mike ashley thing all over again. just because you had bad owners previously, doesn't mean you HAVE to be a state-owned club after that. plenty of clubs have gone from bad owners to good owners without destroying the identity of your club
@@addy5572pep is leaving next season, Debruyne is getting older, Walker is getting older don’t be surprised if you lot start playing like the other teams in the top 4 instead of this unstoppable juggernaut
I've been shocked at how willing City fans have been to defend their atrocious, despicable owners & their sleazy schemes. Ditto Newcastle, Villa and Chelsea fans. Zero principles, just naked tribalism. So bad.
Why not? FFP is a rule to keep the successful successful, and the not so successful not so successful. I'm a United fan, we haven't challenged for a league title in 11, are owners are taking out so much money from out club, why are we allowed to still outspend Man City every season? Just because we were successful in the 90s?The rule itself is bad. It's elitism.
I wouldn’t say that anymore, City have a fairly decent fan base, arguably bigger than Everton and West Ham, but it’s been hugely inflated by their success, if city were taken out of the prem, those viewers would move on to the next club which dominates.
It's a growing fanbase. Almost an entire generation only knows City winning. It's not the 90s or 08. 5th in attendance and the largest viewership in the US last season. You know data is readily available right.
@@LionKingMCFC and yet when they check with mutliple questionaires city were in the middle below the teams I mentioned. The media makes it look like they have a huge fan base but it far from the truth as the media obviously are in citys pockets
Adam being a United fan was irrelevent here, he just understands this issue in a way that Buvey can't or won't. Football needs to be the winner here, not the oil club.
The truth is that no club is bigger than the premier league. The premier would continue to be a great league if any one club were to be expelled. The value of the rights may go down but this is about sporting integrity. It’s more important than money.
@@LionKingMCFCTo give who a disadvantage? The tyrannical middle eastern regime that are Man City? City is an absolute cancer on football, like their regime is a cancer on humanity. Heaven forbid there are rules to impede such people doing whatever they want, in reality they shouldn't be allowed near a football club. The fact City fans defend them tells you everything you need to know
The one thing about football/soccer is that there’s always been teams that have more money and financing than other teams. To me, this isn’t necessarily ideal. In the NFL, there’s salary caps for a reason. Every team operates with the same amount of money. Of course there are too many leagues and too little money that are produced by some of the lower tier pro leagues in Europe so i get why there’s no cap for that. But man, the Prem has been dead for a couple years. As a LFC fan, I’ll give credit to Pep and city. They just know how to win and they actually haven’t spent that much in recent years. The issue that I have is that City spend 50 to 60 million for every player whether they are bench or not. Other teams can only spend a certain amount for new transfers which are usually lower than that avg. city haven’t spent too much on a superstar except grealish for 100 million. Again all credit to Pep for being incredible but being financed and supported to that degree is unfair. Pep is probably the 2nd best manager ever in the Prem but this taints City’s dominance.
The man city from the 90's is not the same as man city now. The difference isn't success its money. They spent the money well but it is money. Clubs should be able to transition into success but objectively if you look at the great clubs from the past that have done it they did it almost purely through the game by having revolutionary tactics and players that made the difference. Manchester city used money to buy already great players and coaches and facilities to make that difference. They did not earn their position in the same way great clubs have in the past. They are the PSG of the premier league.
Spot on. Without the investment, they would be a mid table team. Every club gets some kind of money through investment or sponsors, etc., but for city fans to act like without the investment, they would be a great team win and everything is complete rubbish.
If City are found guilty of the 115 then the owners have to go, until then all city fans can do is be patient. Why would city fans turn on the ownership. Mckola hates city and the fans that he comes out with unproven nonsense. The club, manager and fans are only guilty of supporting and playing for city anything else is out of there hands. If the charges are proven then it moves on to the next stage. If anyone thinks city fans will sit on there hands should they be found guilty of the main charges you’re a fool.
The Super League is not supposed to be a replacement for domestic leagues, it's supposed to replace the Champions League. Saying "we'll leave the Premier League and join the Super League" is nonsense put out for the media.
Buvey can’t even keep his words straight. One minute he says “you can’t say that state ownership has massively improved man city on a sporting level.” 20 seconds later… “they’ve done massive things for the club on a sporting level”
Real, barca, juve, psg aren’t interested in city’s heritage, you have that much right. They are however obsessed with earning greater revenue which they will get by getting a super league off the ground. That super league would instantly contain the world’s best players and coaches. Sponsors and tv broadcasters WILL follow that league to the detriment of their current deals. 100%. The players sell the product now, not heritage. It’s why you see kids in this country wearing Messi’s Miami kit despite having never seen a Miami game in their life
The Premier League need to be firm and make an example of City, if found guilty of even a handful of these charges. Anything less and football in this country will change forever, and not for the better. It would mean a de facto super league; with City, Newcastle and Chelsea leading the way with unlimited spending. If punishing City to the highest degree means bringing the last decade of football into question, then so be it.
I don't think they need to punish City to the highest degree, a very heavy points deduction would work well and it sets the example break the rules get relegated.
Buvey is insane for not being able to "admit" that the owners of the club he's a fan of are trying to do sports washing. Of course they've just done what good owners would do, that's why it's an advertisement for them! If you don't like politics in football, then start hating on your obviously politically charged ownership.
Adam is right to call out sports washing. It’s not a “grey area” anymore bc now it’s impacting the club and fans. You can’t just praise the owners for making them a successful football club without now mentioning the consequences of sports washing. It’s blown up into something much bigger
This video has been watched more than 64k in the past 19 hours but no 1 cares though according to rival fans..Why is this Adam guy always emotional when he talks about City? I thought no 1 cares? 99% of rival fans pray for City to get relegated, and the same time say they dont care about City? Make that make sense ..
Coping Strategies. They all want to believe City have cheated because it’s far easier than asking their own clubs why they consistently fail every season. Just spoilt children basically.
City fans will contort themselves into knots to defend and justify what the owners have done for their club. It’s actually so funny to see it play out exactly how Abu Dhabi wanted it to play out. Like a drug dealer giving away free drugs until he has the druggies hooked.
Sport washing is impossible to prove. You could argue they actually hurt their reputation by being accused of cheating . That would be the opposite of sportswashing.
@@ryanmorahan2635 What’s worse. State owned countries owning football clubs through their oil wealth, or an arms factory sponsoring Borrussia dortmund with their wealth from wars. Also we seem to be talking more about what THEY ARE doing than what we are doing. The are only doing what we already do, or allow to happen? I’m no fan of some of these country’s but their badness is not as bad as ours in recent history, objectively. We seem to be talking more about what they are doing than what we do. And if you didn’t want this money invested in our communities and infrastructure. You may be 20 years too late for that buddy. They’ve injected tens of billions into our communities through football. There’s no incentive for anyone to say no to that.
The British Government went to Abu Dhabi to discuss the Manchester City case with the Prem... That's proof you weirdo.... Politicians discussing football matters with Politicians from another country that owns Man City... Football fans are fucking stupid
The whole anti-competitiveness is a load of crock anyway. Aside from the year Leicester won through good spending, unearthing lots of hidden gems, and other teams ‘rebuilding’, was a fluke. Now you have the likes of City, United, and Chelsea spending ludicrous amounts of money. We should follow the NFL format with team-wide salary caps. Currently, the Premier league feels like the Wild West of sport.
Premier League is a Company not an association, it did that purposefully in 1992. It's a glorified Laser Tag business with a "league" and it's own little rules. Outside and above all that is UK Law, and UK Law is supreme, it supersedes anything that the Premier League deems "rules" if they contradict each other. The nightmare scenario is if City or Newcastle, get bored of not being able to do what is legally allowed in any other business in the UK, especially Newcastle (as they have not broken the top six stranglehold). They'll simply do what the Premier League did to the Football League in 1991, they'll go to AC Milan, Juventus, Inter Milan, Ath Madrid, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Ajax, and anyone else who will listen, and do the math, all we have to do, is put up prize money greater than the Premier League. We'll take Liverpool, Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs with us, primarily cause they'll be legally bound to follow the money under fiduciary rules, because Football Clubs are now businesses not Associations. And to put this into context, the Fund that backs Newcastle alone, is worth close to a Trillion Dollars, the whole Premier League TV deal, both Home and Overseas, is worth roughly £2.75 Billion a year. That equates to less than 0.275% of their wealth. They could quadruple the prize money of the Premier League and sustain that outgoing for a Century, easily. The owners of the top clubs in Europe were already tempted for less. The only way, you stop this, is by Governmental intervention, legislation deeming Football Clubs a certain status, not just in the UK, it would need to be European wide, and you'd be effectively nationalising the clubs. Morally, I think what City are doing is reprehensible. However, financially and legally, I think they have every right to do so. Also, unless they own the sponsoring companies 100%, they'd legally have to show value for money anyway with any commercial contract. Likewise, they'd have to show it was legal for money laundering and accounting purposes. Lastly, there is a myth that we are forced to swallow by the Skyification of football, every year that the Premier League is competitive. In the 32 years since it's inception, there have been 4 multiple winners, and three one time winners (one was Blackburn, bankrolled by Jack Walker, Liverpool, and five thousand to one Leicester City). In the 32 years prior to this, when Football was Free to watch, we had at least 13 winners.
Very interesting actually. Idk what im talking about here in the slightest but i have some questions. Not as an argument, I genuinely just want to know. They already tried this and it went nowhere because the clubs (at least the English clubs, i dont know how foreign fans reacted to the SL) would lose probably half or more of their fanbase. The community was in complete uproar and fans of all clubs were in unity. Inevitably, one club left (think it was chelsea) and the whole thing fell like a ton bricks. Im not convinced a super league would be very successful. After a few years the novelty would wear off, there would be no core fans watching after getting spat in the face, who would watch? A few Americans, 24% of Man uniteds fanbase, and no one else. Maybe we'd tune in for El Classico. I dont think it would be popular at all. And if its not MORE popular than everybodys respective leagues whats the point for them? Spending more money than they are currently on players because the competition has just become 15x harder, for less income from viewing numbers, shirt sales, tickets ect. All for the chance to win the league and get the prize money? I dont know man.. Also wheres the prize money coming from? Does every team chip in 25 mil or do they have another organizing body above who pays out? Just a few questions, not arguing in bad faith, genuinely curious.
@@danielmcgrath680 Cool man. No, just hypothetical based on their wealth. I don't think people understand, they are so wealthy, this isn't about the cash. Reverse the idea. Because it's rightly an emotive topic talking about your team or your league. Say the Saudi Wealth Fund was a UK wealth fund of same size, the league was Saudi Pro League not the Premier League and the club bought was in the Saudi Pro League. Why would a UK wealth fund care about the Saudi club? It's an investment yes, you love the sport at best, or if you are cynical a means to socially reputation wash. Either way you'd have no allegiance to the Saudi League. And if you can take that Club and fill stadiums around the World, why do you need the "local" fans. If you are so wealthy that you only need to earn 1% on your wealth and that could fund you paying the prize money yourself, and it would be four times the prize money of the Premier League. Why wouldn't you do it? Set up and fund a whole league? Instead of not being able to break the Top six at Newcastle or being constantly having your reputation (rightly or wrongly) dragged through the mud at City. If you are Liverpool or Man Utd or Chelsea, you'd make far more money selling out a New York Giants stadium or the Melbourne Cricket Ground etc. You just need to scale the numbers up and there's no reason to stay in the Premier League. There was only one issue with the old First Division, it didn't make them (Top Clubs) enough money, so they created the Premier League, why can that not happen again? The European Super League failed cause the money on offer was less than the Premier League, the Clubs withdrew and it collapsed. Newcastle's owners have enough money, they could offer four times the current Premier League money, and they could do that for the next four hundred years, and they still wouldn't run out of cash. Frankly, you don't need the "local" or "legacy" fans to fill an Anfield or an Old Trafford anymore, Covid taught them that, to still make money, to sell TV rights etc. Now I think this is morally wrong. A Club has it's history, that should count for something. A club belongs to it's community, it is part of it's very fibre and being. You shouldn't be allowed to mess with that, you are the gate keeper the custodian. But the Law and Financial Industry, don't care about these things. Look at Wrexham, amazing, they'll make more money out of their Summer tour and a documentary with Disney than they will from local Wrexham fans. It's just their owners, love the local area and the people etc. But scale up Wrexham's story. Now ask yourself, given the chance, where the money on offer would far outweigh any backlash from a few hundred thousand fans in the UK (even a few abroad) and the loss of Premier League TV money. You could take that "franchise" on an F1 Calendar tour of the World. Would the likes of FSG, the Investment Firms at Chelsea, the Walmart family at Arsenal, Levy at Spurs, the Glazers, the past Russian owners and Middle East Wealth Funds, not do it. Ask yourself, are they of good morals, that they would turn it down. I think the Premier League let the hen house door open and are now worried about the slaughter.
@@danielmcgrath680 Also I agree after a while I'd, like you, get bored. I already think the Champions League format is a joke. But I don't think it matters. Look at where players go to play. It's Saudi now, before that it was China, before that it was Premier League (in 90s we had all the "famous" players coming here for the wage), before that it was the American All Star League. They go for money. Pele, Beckenbauer, Best, Messi, Ronaldo, they all go for money. Why did Ronaldo leave Man Utd to go to Real Madrid? La Liga is a two horse race. Went for the money, went for the glamour. Everything he could win at Madrid, League Titles, Super Cups, Champions Leagues, he could have won all of that at Utd. Gareth Bale too. Kroos could have won it all at Bayern. It happens with players all the time, we just don't want to believe it could happen with clubs too.
@@deanrwatson I see what youre saying but i have to disagree here. Where are these fans coming from to fill these stadiums? Ive seen Ronaldo play in Saudi to not even half filled stadiums. Inter Miami does okay but most people in the US barely even know who messi is, you think they'd care about Jude Bellingham? Or Melbourne with Trent AA? Stadiums are filled by the core fans with probably a 7-10% being tourist/'day out' people. Football would have to completely start over, growing in places outside of the football capital (Europe) without the European fanbase boosting them. China ball failed, people over there simply dont care, Saudi has the money to sustain for a while but they have the same fate imo unless they do an MLS. The MLS is doing better than it was, they have a grassroots/college structure and a slowly growing fanbase not because they get washed up legends. It takes literal decades to grow. I disagree with the point players *only* care about money. Your Ronaldo point is super disingenuous imo, its Real Madrid. I disagree that players are now going to Saudi instead of the PL or La Liga. Players arent going to Saudi or MLS in their prime at all, maybe 1 or 2. clubs draw players through power, size, history and of course money. Its the culture. Players mostly go to lesser leagues for money when theyre unable to compete. Maybe that would change when football culture is completely broken in a super league but i digress. For an international super league to work they would have to completely start over, in countrys where football isnt nearly as popular, without the support of European fans, I seriously do not see how a super league would not kill the sport. I can agree the sportswashing would do bits though. The reputation has already came along way with only 2 clubs in the prem. Im not by any means trying to glamourize anything, football is in a really rough spot right now, its shocking really. I dont even care about the prem, my teams not even in it. If anything a super league would benefit my club lol. Anyway, just my opinion. Cheers for giving yours mate
Buvey saying “there is no argument that’s been made that says State ownership is bad” was incredibly stupid self own by himself. Adam made a poorly made argument for why it’s bad but he was right and Buvey then looked as deluded as that potato Steve. Other points. No chance the big clubs jump to the ESL with City if City are expelled or leave the league. The whole point of the ESL was to put a stop to City and new clubs becoming City, then leaving is beneficial to those clubs they would drive City to the airport and Real/Barca won’t do a ESL without the big English teams. Nobody would care if City left. The impact on broadcast deals would be minimal. They just don’t pull the numbers. If City got relegated down the leagues those players would then be up for grabs and will mostly be poached by big English clubs. The only value city have is they have Haaland/KDB and they would be gone.
That's an angle no one looks at. We bought savio from Girona. Everyone complained about fair market value... when almost every player we sold for less than they are worth based on their CV. We facilitate outgoing transfers which are not capped but you want to cap our incoming. When other leagues and clubs don't have that rule.
No way do man city feel the same club, every single thing city has achieved ever will have an * beside it for all fans, great team or not, its completely tainted, they should be relegated down to league 2 but no leagues should be given to the teams that finished 2nd, thats pointless, just punish them to the standard they punished everton and forest, then boom relegation. And the league thrives without man city, will be a way more exciting league without them
The problem with ffp rules are that they keep the hierarchy the same in the league. With ffp rules united Chelsea Liverpool and arsenal to a lesser degree will never lose power and never permanently lose position
As it allows the same popular clubs who spent the most before ffp was around to monopolise the league as monetarily it’s impossible to keep up as legally teams can’t spend the same
Exactly. If you don’t allow clubs to inject the additional capital to compete with the big boys you will never catch them besides freaks like Leicester.
Flav is the man, really inteligent and articulate as well as funny, def get him on more often - i def watch more if you do that for sure. balances out the others really well making for a much better watch
The dumbest thing about this for me is they agreed to the rules and singed off on them just like every other Prem club yet now they want to act like the rules are unfair. Saying the league isn't competitive enough when they probably cheated to sign players and make money and teams like Liverpool have lost out on the league by 1 point 2 times and Man U on goal difference once. Like make it make sense.The EFL is getting angry, but also if clubs like Liverpool, Man U and Arsenal actually get angry they hold a lot of power and it wouldn't surprise me if they take action.
So… I’ve heard him dribble some absolute bullshit on many occasions.. just because he has an education doesn’t make him exempt from being/saying stupid shit
Imagine ManUtd in the internet era....breaking multiple transfer records, with the owners, glazers who sat on the same AIG board who sponsored their kits and then when they see their position of power being challenged, push for rule changes to keep their monopoly in place....imagine the hate they would have gotten
@@joedawson377SAF was third in spending during his tenure and created an organic dynasty. Didn’t need to win the lottery and play outside of the rules to dominate
@@DapperSZNduring 90s and early 00s saf spent more than anyone by a long way , only after chelsea in mid 00s was he not the highest spender ..guy was breaking transfer spend every summer
@@TheChampIsHere_fergie added 1 new marquee signing to team every year to keep everyone else hungry , he still won a treble with a core of academy players , that champions league final had a starting 11 with 7 academy players in it
Basically, this is an admission of guilt from them. This has nothing to do with 'the free market'. For once I agree with Adam and if City want to leave, off you go. Nobody will miss you.
This is bigger than City, it's about the impact on the entire league if not football sphere. The videos on city winning the league etc just don't get the views that real clubs do.
I'm pretty surprised man city is claiming they don't need a reasonable transfer pricing policy. For things like tax purposes it's a pretty established idea you can't just pay an unreasonable amount to a related entity, and you need to prove the amount paid is based on something from the market. Interested to see where this goes....
From a legal perspective, what City is doing is trying to prove that if one of the rules of the PL are unfair then from a legal point of view, the other rules set by the PL can also be compromised. The integrity of the PL can be seen as unfair in a legal perspective. Therefore, some of the 115 charges can be reduced; at least those related to FFP rules.
what it sounds like to me is that city for years have tried to find loopholes to spend more money then after doing that for years they’re like why is it so wrong? why should they have to limit what they do? It sounds like they’re trying to change some laws in the league so that eventually when the 115 charges do kick in it turns out that the rules have changed and they’ve done it legally
@@LionKingMCFC they set the rules targeting certain ownership because they know it could destroy the league, it’s worked against newcastle so far, they were fighting relegation then next season they get europe from a bit of investment, then this year without injuries they probably get europe again, the rules have stopped newcastle instantly establishing themselves as a top 4 team for the foreseeable. As for nothing being wrong with finding loopholes, the word loopholes basically means finding ways around the rules to do what the rule intended to stop u doing so whilst it’s not technically wrong it’s still against the point. It’s like chelsea giving out 8 year contracts, the rule was brought in to stop teams spending hundreds of millions but they found a way around it and did it which in theory is wrong
@timmy5876 creating a made up worst case scenario to slow the growth of certain clubs can not be lawful. Telling Newcastle, Aston Villa, etc, that their reward for getting in Europe or the CL is that they have to sell their best players to buy new players to compete is madness. It's shouldn't matter what the amount is because others in the league spends more, what should matter is sustainability.
@@LionKingMCFC success should come from making good signings not from spending a lot on expensive players cus otherwise anyone could get to the top level, liverpool under klopp for example initially signing mane, robertson, milner then bringing trent through then only spending big when they received a big transfer fee. Newcastle could make that step if they sold bruno for 100m and signed 2 top players for 50m each
@timmy5876 but City aren't the highest spenders. They've made excellent signings and have produced quality from the acedemy. The highest spenders in the league can't make the top 4. Why does everything only apply to City?
This is the worst comments section i think ive ever come across. What a stupid video. 4 vs 1 and nobody in the room has any idea what they are talking about. Next time get somebody like @slbn on
It's gone from "we're innocent" to "the rules are unjust" which is a terrible sign for city fans.
He said Roman was fantastic… same guy Clearlake snitched on after looking at the cooked books
They should be toast but because they are state owned and from the Middle East we are not allowed to question them. They think rules don’t apply to them.
Stegibbon please pay attention, this is a legal challenge to recent APT rules, it has nothing to do with being innocent regarding charges against the club
@@Beyond_Belief534 still not a good look
@@Stegibbon How? Challenging unfair rules is a good thing
Mckola - “Are you happy for your owners to have put you in that position?”
Buvey - “No. Of course not”
Me - who has been watching the club/kick off for the past few years - 🤨🧐
When has buvey ever said he's happy to be interrogated on man city's finances by people who don't know shit about law?
You mong
Not happy about the 115 charges ,happy about all trophies tho
@connorthomas-5856 You can't be unhappy with one, but happy about the other
indian dude arguing about "sportwashing" while wearing a supreme sweater that was made with slave labor and sold for $1000
@@connorthomas-5856that's like a drug kingpin saying they're happy with all the cars and mansions they've gotten, but not happy about doing 20 years jail time 😂
The idea that Man City suing the PL is completely unrelated to 115 charges is incredible mental gymnastics
The rule they are suing against came out in 2021. The charges are from 2009
@@LionKingMCFC That's not the point. MCFC/Abu Dhabi just want to drown the PL in paperwork to slow down the process of the charges.
@@LionKingMCFC 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
@@LumiCraftthat means theyd be drowning their pro legal team in paperwork aswell… think
‘You can’t have a premier league without Man City’. 😂😂😂 someone tell Buvey City aren’t even top 15 biggest clubs in the country
Am sure they are in the top 15! I read the other day that City are now the most watched English team in the US and have most fans in the U-35 age category. They are becoming a juggernaut whether we like it or not.
@@Lawrence4000-s3ksource: Pep’s hair
@@Lawrence4000-s3know ask how they’ve done this compared to other great English teams over history, they use loopholes and worming with litigation to join in on the history, new fans won’t care and as we age we will become old head haters as city grows but the point stands they cheated to get where they are and will forever be a second grade historical club
@@Lawrence4000-s3k under 35 ? 😂😂😂 shut up
@@OHB666under 35 try under 15 😂😂😂😂
Nice new set lads - congrats!
Bout time Buvey said something about this, man’s been hella quiet recently 🤔😂
@Lkkdjs he definitely doesn’t bring it up a lot, and if he does he gets very defensive. He doesn’t want to acknowledge the truth.
you have 115 likes loool
your comment has 115 likes a well lol
▪︎Liverpool caught Hacking
▪︎Utd,Everton admit to FFP Cheating
▪︎City found Not Guilty in Court
▪︎Boot out - City or Liverpool,Utd?😂
"Don't call me a mouthpiece for a state, I have NEVER said I support sports washing"
"Man City owners are great owners"
Ladies and gents, sportswashing in a nutshell. They did good by us so we can ignore all the bad stuff.
Being good owners and good people are completely separate things. We can admit that they have done wonders for City and the surrounding area while still acknowledging the horrific actions in their own country. Like Buvey said, it's not one or the other, both can be true.
@@NSorSomething The thing is, they're not separate though. They are both actions from the City owners, that impact each other relationally. Not separate, as both impact the other.
@@jinky6000no they do not impact eachother, as the funds they use for the club do not affect the funds they have available for their own country or other endeavours
What bad stuff though? You're just throwing around "Sportswashing" because you've heard it said online or read it somewhere.
"Sportswashing" is up there with "gaslighting" as one of the most meaningless, flavour of the month, phrases to gain usage in the last few years. I bet the polytechnic journalism student who came up with it wishes they could have found a way to monetise it.
The issue Buvey/Rory/Flav are forgetting is IF they are found guilty their deals are invalid and they wont be able to artificially inflate their sponsorship numbers and will only be able to spend within their means. Everyone seems to forget this. They dont get to go back to spending like they did before.
The guy in the red came from a logical and accurate financial stance. The city fan was arguing from passion; your passion can't erase financial misappropriation.
The guy in red also supports ManUtd who are run by the Glazers who used to sit on the board of AIG who used to sponsor the same club. A club which has broken multiple transfer records and after they saw their position of power being challenged pushed for rule changes so that they still hold Monopoly over such situations and rest of the clubs just follow suit like sheeps.
Womp womp
Aww babe u ok x
@@yungpep NO jokes; I am great. Finally got my garden in order.
@@Hijo_De_Afrique we don’t care mate
You can’t have a premier league without Man City is the best statement I’ve ever heard 🤣 a boring club with a half empty stadium every week that get horrendous tv figures unless there playing one of the big clubs
Triggered Buvey makes even less sense than regular Buvey.
▪︎PL - announce Charges/Accusations everytime City win Title
▪︎City - Enough.Prove it or pay damages
▪︎Media - how dare City clap back?😂
Buvey, troll first, England fan second, City fan a distant 3rd.
😂😂
People forget his aim is always to take the piss
He started supporting City in 2012.
@@HarryCallahan-tf3qrhe's from just south of the etihad ....Bristol 😂😂😂😂😂
Exactly so why do people want serious financially opinion from him???
The absolute gall on Buvey to say that Adam didn’t let that Big Steve finish what he wanted to say on the overlap, when Big Steve’s arguments fall entirely on interrupting people and calling them bitter
Buvey comes off awful in this to be honest, every attempt at talking about this objectively turns into him guilt tripping people about how they don’t want the good of football to remain intact and how any of their criticism’s fall under the category of a salty rival fan
115 is coming
*gall
@@SteveAustin-zv1nn changed it there cheers👍
@@PoatanPeriera Ha, no worries. I completely agree with you too btw. Also, your username is hilarious.
@@SteveAustin-zv1nn 😂🤘🏻
Talk about it objectively? But you already think City are guilty.
The speed limit is 50mph. It's always been that. You've bought a Ferrari, you get caught doing a 120mph in a 50 zone. Is it the tyranny of Volvo owners that you're not allowed to 120mph? Everything needs 3rd party assessment in a sporting competitive environment.
Not a Man Utd fan, not an Arsenal fan, I cannot wait to see Man City gone, the league would instantly become a far greater product and all the glory hunting fans who support City would just gravitate elsewhere
What the point of winning the premier league if you can’t beat Man City mark my word Man City are not going anywhere they will hire the best lawyer barristers who will beat all the charges
@@shin2463 what’s the point of winning the premier league if nobody else even respects it
Rory with the worst comment in the history of football..."What Man City represent as a club hasn't changed " ???? That's insane. 😂😂😂😂😂. "The same club as in 1993" ......madness
Rory wants to defend Roman and Chelsea the same way…
It's because his shite club is also guilty of the same thing. Never forget CHELSEA started this with their Russian crook.
Mad respect for Adam, proper articulation of the issue
buvey saying 'i'm here to talk about sport not politics' is embarrassing. If that was the case then you should be able to condemn the idea of state ownership in the first place rather than continuing to defend it.
Well he undermined his own point there when he said “I have yet to see an argument that state ownership is bad” that was him directly referencing politics.
I think people forget that Buvey is only in his mid-twenties and that has shovel head makes him seem older. Being good at hyperbole as he is isn’t indicative of any life skills or knowledge about anything be that debating or understanding anything more complicated than a dude kicking a ball.
Nothing wrong with state ownership. UEFA has its own financial rules.
@@LionKingMCFCyou really think the French league is a fine working competition?
Are you sure there isn't a huge glaring problem with French league?
Lol “sportswashing” is what about Iraq? Afghanistan ? Yemen? What about all the horrible things that England have done in the past you guys have blinders on its hilarious
Them saying if city got relegated the viewer ship would be affect majority of those fans would just pick I new club cause they were only supporting them off their success let’s be real
You think it's just the UK? City were the most watched team in the US last season. 6 out of 10 games with the highest viewing figures in the US involved City. English fans are a tiny insignificance. Oh and most City fans I know were around well before the 2007 takeover.
@@BurnCKCI guarantee most fans will dip when you’ve been relegated been forced to sell your players and can’t get promotion
@@BurnCKCbecause they're winning , internationally city fans only exist because of that same way it used to be Chelsea, they'd just swap clubs to whoever is winning now, and there were literally no city fans prior to the takeover and barely any still now, I've lived in Manchester my entire life seeing someone in a city shirt is like spotting a unicorn.
I would glance at a league where Arsenal is the best team. Won't do anything in Europe but I guess
@@BurnCKCbecause city had most kick off times suited to the American audience where as the likes of Liverpool had most kick off times suited the the Asian market.
No one would miss city everyone would miss, Arsenal, chelsea, united, Liverpool, Newcastle, Everton, villa etc historic clubs city is just a doped up wigan athletic
The fact buvey makes no eye contact with anyone when talking is rather difficult to watch, like hes afraid of everything
Or he knows he's lying and can't look them in eye while lying
I dont think buvey is particularly scared of anyone, guys a giant. I think hes just insecure here cause he knows hes in the mud
@danielmcgrath680 exactly, probably knows his club is out if order
You realize they’re racing a camera right? To speak to us…
He’s terrified lmao
Mckola dominated Buvey in this debate.
Not hard when you debate a potato
Empty vessels make the most noise!!!
@@jamiebaker8017, ahahahahahha.
No he didn’t. He’s a bully and outright an unlikable person in general-will never get over those eyebrows too🤮
@@keletsomophuthing960claiming someone’s a bully whilst simultaneously insulting them for their appearance. Make it make sense.
I’m here for the Adam Makola redemption arc … been roasting him in the comments for years for trashing Arteta. But I feel like he’s gotten a bit more sensible/measured in recent times and his city takes are 🔥
Buvey says City fans aren't cheerleaders for the owners and that there isn't any sports washing, whist simultaneously cheer-leading for the owners and praising the results of their sport washing in east Manchester.
Literally no one outside the City fan base would care if Man City were expelled from the league, no one.
Buvey is so full of crap. We all know you’re guilty bro.
😂 👏
He knows, just too afraid to admit it
He's not guilty of anything... he's only defending his club like we all try to.
If you have evidence hand it over to the PL. If not stop making stupid comments.
Cause its all about evidence now is it? Just ignore the clear and obvious of sponsoring yourself? So can all other teams now spend absolutely anything and just say they profited billions? Pump it all in from the owners other business... @addy5572
buvey got roasted there by adam. Adam absolutely nailed all the points he made. If city fans keep their club loyalty aside and honestly analyse the situation, its them who need the PL, not the other way around. They should be absolutely livid with their club and owners that theyve been put in this situation where they COULD be kicked out of it.
Embarrassing comment. Adams whole argument was "It's sports washing" "they are guilty you know it" like arguing with a child. Would have been good to have somebody that actually understood law.
@@addy5572 "Would have been good to have somebody that actually understood law".. McKola literally has a law degree mate. 😂
@@addy5572Roman has already been called out by Clearlake for cooking the books. You’re stuck on stupid if you think city make the same sponsorship revenue as the likes of Real Madrid. It’s common sense and logic
@swm1203 that don't mean he knows sport laws. Sport law is a different set of rules all together. And besides if Adam was good at law, he wouldn't be on youtube
Adam is a massive hypocrite, and he's not smart enough to realise. He wouldn't even know who Sheikh Mansour was if he didn't own City. Now, millions hate him. All owning City has done for him politically is bring unwanted attention and scrutiny that wouldn't be there otherwise. Adam even says that City are so insignificant that it wouldn't matter if they were kicked out of the league. How can that be if owning the club is supposed to be a net benefit for UAE's image?
Whoever was moving the camera by hand was giving me motion sickness
they need a slap
Buvy is co-signing sports washing. And the fact that he can’t admit it says a lot about city fans
Do you feel any more favorable to City since 2008, do you know any more about the owner who's publicly appeared at the Club maybe less than 5 times in 16 years. Do you know which country exactly in the middle east the owner is from and has your opinion of the country improved. What sportswashing?
You've missed the mark entirely. You're asking the wrong side these questions. Of course rival fans aren't going to think well of the owners. You've been dominating the league for years, rival fans would hate the owners for anything they can find.
But here you are commenting on every negative comment you can effectively defending them and trying to discredit the use of sports washing. If it weren't for man city being owned by them, what would you think of them, that's the important question. And why are you so supportive of their current stance against the democracy of the league. @@LionKingMCFC
@JBBoli So making a midtable club better is sportswashing? I hated the arrogance of the other fanbases growing up. I followed a midtable club that so happened to be City. I want other midtable fans to feel what I felt when City went from nothing to something. The arrogance of teams that have billion dollar squads and have spent more but mismanaged, then pretend like City fans somehow want acceptance. Nope, we trophies and records. Stop making rules that specifically target us. No one did that with other clubs.
@@LionKingMCFC you're arguing something completely different now. But yes obviously making your club better is sports washing. It's not going to help your image if you make a club worse is it? I'm not saying that they had a political agenda to do that, but yourself and other city fans can't even be critical against them when they are being unreasonable and shady. And you don't even recognize you're doing it. Enjoy the results, the players and the games but when your club owners are trying to sue the premier league and bully them into changing to voting system because of "the tyranny of the majority" have a backbone and call out what's wrong.
Also, rules are made for those that take benefit from unfair advantages.
@@LionKingMCFC this is the mike ashley thing all over again. just because you had bad owners previously, doesn't mean you HAVE to be a state-owned club after that. plenty of clubs have gone from bad owners to good owners without destroying the identity of your club
What Man City have done is disgusting and the only suitable punishment imo is to strip them of the 2014 league cup and give it to the runner up
yes lad😂
15 minutes and Miles has said his first words 🤣 just about but I genuinely forgot he was at the table
Hope this is the beginning of the end for the City Regime
Keep dreaming
@@addy5572pep is leaving next season, Debruyne is getting older, Walker is getting older don’t be surprised if you lot start playing like the other teams in the top 4 instead of this unstoppable juggernaut
Very few english clubs are poised to take real advantage. Your clubs are poorly run, putting eyes on City don't change that.
@@maximusorbis2548
United or Arsenal fan 😂
That rule that we didn't break, is unfair...
The rule is new. They haven't even had the chance to break it if they wanted to. Try to pay more attention next time
@@ironheade22 we all knew it will be a rule went Newcastle got bought. It they didnt break it, why are they suing?
@ironheade22 cope kiddo hold your 115 charges😂
New set looks greats boys. And Adam you're bang on, he always said he didn't want them kind of owners anywhere near his club, and now look. He knew.
I've been shocked at how willing City fans have been to defend their atrocious, despicable owners & their sleazy schemes. Ditto Newcastle, Villa and Chelsea fans. Zero principles, just naked tribalism. So bad.
It’s the English way.
The jealousy and self-interest of others, on the other hand, is not shocking.
Why not? FFP is a rule to keep the successful successful, and the not so successful not so successful. I'm a United fan, we haven't challenged for a league title in 11, are owners are taking out so much money from out club, why are we allowed to still outspend Man City every season? Just because we were successful in the 90s?The rule itself is bad. It's elitism.
I don't think you should be including Villa's fans in that group.
4 in a row
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We are rich
We are successful
We love oil and you too
115% we will beat these charges
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Rory: What Manchester City represented in 1999 is still what Manchester City represent in 2023. 😳
Man city fan base is tiny.
Everton, Newcastle, West ham, Aston villa all have much bigger fanbases
I wouldn’t say that anymore, City have a fairly decent fan base, arguably bigger than Everton and West Ham, but it’s been hugely inflated by their success, if city were taken out of the prem, those viewers would move on to the next club which dominates.
Delusional.
@@dannymccrea9642they’ll be off to Real Madrid, trust
It's a growing fanbase. Almost an entire generation only knows City winning. It's not the 90s or 08. 5th in attendance and the largest viewership in the US last season. You know data is readily available right.
@@LionKingMCFC and yet when they check with mutliple questionaires city were in the middle below the teams I mentioned.
The media makes it look like they have a huge fan base but it far from the truth as the media obviously are in citys pockets
City get relegated and lose all their top players, they’re just back to being city before oil money.
So best case scenario, they’re Brentford
Adam being a United fan was irrelevent here, he just understands this issue in a way that Buvey can't or won't. Football needs to be the winner here, not the oil club.
Adam is spot on. Buvey is just upset, if I wanted success I’d want it to be done the right way
New set looks amazing
The truth is that no club is bigger than the premier league. The premier would continue to be a great league if any one club were to be expelled. The value of the rights may go down but this is about sporting integrity. It’s more important than money.
"It comes down to do whether you believe in the free market"
No i dont. City shouldnt be allowed to overturn rules that give them an unfair advantage
Why were rules put in place to give them a DISADVANTAGE?
@@LionKingMCFCTo give who a disadvantage? The tyrannical middle eastern regime that are Man City? City is an absolute cancer on football, like their regime is a cancer on humanity. Heaven forbid there are rules to impede such people doing whatever they want, in reality they shouldn't be allowed near a football club. The fact City fans defend them tells you everything you need to know
Saying no one cares about a Man City video at the end of a Man City video is quality content
Fair play to city UA-camrs, as they struggle to get views and subs, on a serious note.
They have zero fans worldwide but claims they have sold the most merchandise
@@edwintan11 it’s comedy. Shameless fanbase at some point you gotta respect it. Wrong and strong til the end
@@edwintan11they weren’t even in the top ten for shirt sales last season
Buvey needs to go specsavers
The one thing about football/soccer is that there’s always been teams that have more money and financing than other teams. To me, this isn’t necessarily ideal. In the NFL, there’s salary caps for a reason. Every team operates with the same amount of money. Of course there are too many leagues and too little money that are produced by some of the lower tier pro leagues in Europe so i get why there’s no cap for that. But man, the Prem has been dead for a couple years. As a LFC fan, I’ll give credit to Pep and city. They just know how to win and they actually haven’t spent that much in recent years. The issue that I have is that City spend 50 to 60 million for every player whether they are bench or not. Other teams can only spend a certain amount for new transfers which are usually lower than that avg. city haven’t spent too much on a superstar except grealish for 100 million. Again all credit to Pep for being incredible but being financed and supported to that degree is unfair. Pep is probably the 2nd best manager ever in the Prem but this taints City’s dominance.
The man city from the 90's is not the same as man city now. The difference isn't success its money. They spent the money well but it is money. Clubs should be able to transition into success but objectively if you look at the great clubs from the past that have done it they did it almost purely through the game by having revolutionary tactics and players that made the difference. Manchester city used money to buy already great players and coaches and facilities to make that difference. They did not earn their position in the same way great clubs have in the past. They are the PSG of the premier league.
Spot on. Without the investment, they would be a mid table team. Every club gets some kind of money through investment or sponsors, etc., but for city fans to act like without the investment, they would be a great team win and everything is complete rubbish.
Buvey is a man who always talks about him loving football and the fairness of football, if city get away with this then that’s a mockery to the sport
Those trophies are starting to look like they are made of Lego .. 115 cheats out
If City are found guilty of the 115 then the owners have to go, until then all city fans can do is be patient. Why would city fans turn on the ownership. Mckola hates city and the fans that he comes out with unproven nonsense. The club, manager and fans are only guilty of supporting and playing for city anything else is out of there hands. If the charges are proven then it moves on to the next stage. If anyone thinks city fans will sit on there hands should they be found guilty of the main charges you’re a fool.
These camera angles are so weird sometimes
Cameraman feels like a peeping tom sometimes !!
Cameraman was having seizure, sorry guys
23:00 I really hope he’s joking 🤣🤣🤣
Nice set boys, budget obviously been raised
Keep politics and football separate - say no to state-ownership.
The Super League is not supposed to be a replacement for domestic leagues, it's supposed to replace the Champions League. Saying "we'll leave the Premier League and join the Super League" is nonsense put out for the media.
Btw it's a great point, this so-called "pundits" don't even know, what the SL was going to replace
For me the most hilarious part is City saying this rule is affecting their ability to compete... They have won everything! 😂
New studio lads? Looking good!
Liverpool fans were saying all of this 5 years ago. As usual we are ahead of the curve.
Buvey is as embarassing as City
All these modern football fans want to talk about is money. Thank god for the euros where money doesn’t come into it
Buvey can’t even keep his words straight. One minute he says “you can’t say that state ownership has massively improved man city on a sporting level.”
20 seconds later…
“they’ve done massive things for the club on a sporting level”
Adam is the only one making sense in this conversation
Miles is way out of his depth here 🤣
completely silent😭😭
I actually appreciate him staying silent about a topic he doesn't know much about. Very much needed these days.
😂😂
So is everyone else. They don't understand the situation at all
Real, barca, juve, psg aren’t interested in city’s heritage, you have that much right. They are however obsessed with earning greater revenue which they will get by getting a super league off the ground. That super league would instantly contain the world’s best players and coaches. Sponsors and tv broadcasters WILL follow that league to the detriment of their current deals. 100%. The players sell the product now, not heritage. It’s why you see kids in this country wearing Messi’s Miami kit despite having never seen a Miami game in their life
i get the feeling we might be getting some poker content judging on the lay out of the new set 🤞🤞🤞
The Premier League need to be firm and make an example of City, if found guilty of even a handful of these charges. Anything less and football in this country will change forever, and not for the better. It would mean a de facto super league; with City, Newcastle and Chelsea leading the way with unlimited spending. If punishing City to the highest degree means bringing the last decade of football into question, then so be it.
I don't think they need to punish City to the highest degree, a very heavy points deduction would work well and it sets the example break the rules get relegated.
Buvey is insane for not being able to "admit" that the owners of the club he's a fan of are trying to do sports washing.
Of course they've just done what good owners would do, that's why it's an advertisement for them!
If you don't like politics in football, then start hating on your obviously politically charged ownership.
Adam is right to call out sports washing. It’s not a “grey area” anymore bc now it’s impacting the club and fans. You can’t just praise the owners for making them a successful football club without now mentioning the consequences of sports washing. It’s blown up into something much bigger
Glad we have the experts talking about such legal issues.
Not many of the usual 'experts' want to discuss it though
This video has been watched more than 64k in the past 19 hours but no 1 cares though according to rival fans..Why is this Adam guy always emotional when he talks about City? I thought no 1 cares? 99% of rival fans pray for City to get relegated, and the same time say they dont care about City? Make that make sense ..
Coping Strategies. They all want to believe City have cheated because it’s far easier than asking their own clubs why they consistently fail every season. Just spoilt children basically.
Let’s stop City lads
City fans will contort themselves into knots to defend and justify what the owners have done for their club. It’s actually so funny to see it play out exactly how Abu Dhabi wanted it to play out. Like a drug dealer giving away free drugs until he has the druggies hooked.
Sport washing is impossible to prove. You could argue they actually hurt their reputation by being accused of cheating . That would be the opposite of sportswashing.
That is exactly what sportswashing is. We're talking about how they act as owners of a football club, not the accusations levelled at the state
@@ryanmorahan2635 What’s worse. State owned countries owning football clubs through their oil wealth, or an arms factory sponsoring Borrussia dortmund with their wealth from wars.
Also we seem to be talking more about what THEY ARE doing than what we are doing. The are only doing what we already do, or allow to happen? I’m no fan of some of these country’s but their badness is not as bad as ours in recent history, objectively. We seem to be talking more about what they are doing than what we do. And if you didn’t want this money invested in our communities and infrastructure. You may be 20 years too late for that buddy. They’ve injected tens of billions into our communities through football. There’s no incentive for anyone to say no to that.
The British Government went to Abu Dhabi to discuss the Manchester City case with the Prem...
That's proof you weirdo....
Politicians discussing football matters with Politicians from another country that owns Man City...
Football fans are fucking stupid
The whole anti-competitiveness is a load of crock anyway. Aside from the year Leicester won through good spending, unearthing lots of hidden gems, and other teams ‘rebuilding’, was a fluke. Now you have the likes of City, United, and Chelsea spending ludicrous amounts of money.
We should follow the NFL format with team-wide salary caps. Currently, the Premier league feels like the Wild West of sport.
Imagine if the premier leauge did a draft that would be quality
buvey is so deluded, the fact he cant see why sportswashing is bad or why state owned clubs are bad is a disgrace
The only reason why it’s bad is because it disrupts the winning elite and creates new competition at the top
Grow up, he asked for reasons which nobody gave him. What else do you want him to do?
@@addy5572 he is literally demonstrating the effects of sportswashing
Because obviously if you want to sportswash and improve your image, the best way to do that is by committing fraud / false accounting...
@marsx5886 Buveys counter point was excellent on that. It is not that simple, there has to be some sort of grey area here.
Boovy trotting out the same shite as the rest of the blues. Blinded by the success even though they know it's all bent
Premier League is a Company not an association, it did that purposefully in 1992. It's a glorified Laser Tag business with a "league" and it's own little rules. Outside and above all that is UK Law, and UK Law is supreme, it supersedes anything that the Premier League deems "rules" if they contradict each other.
The nightmare scenario is if City or Newcastle, get bored of not being able to do what is legally allowed in any other business in the UK, especially Newcastle (as they have not broken the top six stranglehold). They'll simply do what the Premier League did to the Football League in 1991, they'll go to AC Milan, Juventus, Inter Milan, Ath Madrid, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Ajax, and anyone else who will listen, and do the math, all we have to do, is put up prize money greater than the Premier League. We'll take Liverpool, Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs with us, primarily cause they'll be legally bound to follow the money under fiduciary rules, because Football Clubs are now businesses not Associations.
And to put this into context, the Fund that backs Newcastle alone, is worth close to a Trillion Dollars, the whole Premier League TV deal, both Home and Overseas, is worth roughly £2.75 Billion a year. That equates to less than 0.275% of their wealth. They could quadruple the prize money of the Premier League and sustain that outgoing for a Century, easily. The owners of the top clubs in Europe were already tempted for less.
The only way, you stop this, is by Governmental intervention, legislation deeming Football Clubs a certain status, not just in the UK, it would need to be European wide, and you'd be effectively nationalising the clubs.
Morally, I think what City are doing is reprehensible. However, financially and legally, I think they have every right to do so. Also, unless they own the sponsoring companies 100%, they'd legally have to show value for money anyway with any commercial contract. Likewise, they'd have to show it was legal for money laundering and accounting purposes.
Lastly, there is a myth that we are forced to swallow by the Skyification of football, every year that the Premier League is competitive. In the 32 years since it's inception, there have been 4 multiple winners, and three one time winners (one was Blackburn, bankrolled by Jack Walker, Liverpool, and five thousand to one Leicester City). In the 32 years prior to this, when Football was Free to watch, we had at least 13 winners.
Brilliant
Very interesting actually. Idk what im talking about here in the slightest but i have some questions. Not as an argument, I genuinely just want to know. They already tried this and it went nowhere because the clubs (at least the English clubs, i dont know how foreign fans reacted to the SL) would lose probably half or more of their fanbase. The community was in complete uproar and fans of all clubs were in unity. Inevitably, one club left (think it was chelsea) and the whole thing fell like a ton bricks. Im not convinced a super league would be very successful. After a few years the novelty would wear off, there would be no core fans watching after getting spat in the face, who would watch? A few Americans, 24% of Man uniteds fanbase, and no one else. Maybe we'd tune in for El Classico. I dont think it would be popular at all. And if its not MORE popular than everybodys respective leagues whats the point for them? Spending more money than they are currently on players because the competition has just become 15x harder, for less income from viewing numbers, shirt sales, tickets ect. All for the chance to win the league and get the prize money? I dont know man.. Also wheres the prize money coming from? Does every team chip in 25 mil or do they have another organizing body above who pays out? Just a few questions, not arguing in bad faith, genuinely curious.
@@danielmcgrath680 Cool man. No, just hypothetical based on their wealth. I don't think people understand, they are so wealthy, this isn't about the cash. Reverse the idea. Because it's rightly an emotive topic talking about your team or your league. Say the Saudi Wealth Fund was a UK wealth fund of same size, the league was Saudi Pro League not the Premier League and the club bought was in the Saudi Pro League. Why would a UK wealth fund care about the Saudi club? It's an investment yes, you love the sport at best, or if you are cynical a means to socially reputation wash. Either way you'd have no allegiance to the Saudi League. And if you can take that Club and fill stadiums around the World, why do you need the "local" fans. If you are so wealthy that you only need to earn 1% on your wealth and that could fund you paying the prize money yourself, and it would be four times the prize money of the Premier League. Why wouldn't you do it? Set up and fund a whole league? Instead of not being able to break the Top six at Newcastle or being constantly having your reputation (rightly or wrongly) dragged through the mud at City.
If you are Liverpool or Man Utd or Chelsea, you'd make far more money selling out a New York Giants stadium or the Melbourne Cricket Ground etc. You just need to scale the numbers up and there's no reason to stay in the Premier League. There was only one issue with the old First Division, it didn't make them (Top Clubs) enough money, so they created the Premier League, why can that not happen again? The European Super League failed cause the money on offer was less than the Premier League, the Clubs withdrew and it collapsed. Newcastle's owners have enough money, they could offer four times the current Premier League money, and they could do that for the next four hundred years, and they still wouldn't run out of cash. Frankly, you don't need the "local" or "legacy" fans to fill an Anfield or an Old Trafford anymore, Covid taught them that, to still make money, to sell TV rights etc.
Now I think this is morally wrong. A Club has it's history, that should count for something. A club belongs to it's community, it is part of it's very fibre and being. You shouldn't be allowed to mess with that, you are the gate keeper the custodian.
But the Law and Financial Industry, don't care about these things. Look at Wrexham, amazing, they'll make more money out of their Summer tour and a documentary with Disney than they will from local Wrexham fans. It's just their owners, love the local area and the people etc. But scale up Wrexham's story. Now ask yourself, given the chance, where the money on offer would far outweigh any backlash from a few hundred thousand fans in the UK (even a few abroad) and the loss of Premier League TV money. You could take that "franchise" on an F1 Calendar tour of the World. Would the likes of FSG, the Investment Firms at Chelsea, the Walmart family at Arsenal, Levy at Spurs, the Glazers, the past Russian owners and Middle East Wealth Funds, not do it. Ask yourself, are they of good morals, that they would turn it down. I think the Premier League let the hen house door open and are now worried about the slaughter.
@@danielmcgrath680 Also I agree after a while I'd, like you, get bored. I already think the Champions League format is a joke. But I don't think it matters. Look at where players go to play. It's Saudi now, before that it was China, before that it was Premier League (in 90s we had all the "famous" players coming here for the wage), before that it was the American All Star League. They go for money. Pele, Beckenbauer, Best, Messi, Ronaldo, they all go for money. Why did Ronaldo leave Man Utd to go to Real Madrid? La Liga is a two horse race. Went for the money, went for the glamour. Everything he could win at Madrid, League Titles, Super Cups, Champions Leagues, he could have won all of that at Utd. Gareth Bale too. Kroos could have won it all at Bayern. It happens with players all the time, we just don't want to believe it could happen with clubs too.
@@deanrwatson I see what youre saying but i have to disagree here. Where are these fans coming from to fill these stadiums? Ive seen Ronaldo play in Saudi to not even half filled stadiums. Inter Miami does okay but most people in the US barely even know who messi is, you think they'd care about Jude Bellingham? Or Melbourne with Trent AA? Stadiums are filled by the core fans with probably a 7-10% being tourist/'day out' people. Football would have to completely start over, growing in places outside of the football capital (Europe) without the European fanbase boosting them. China ball failed, people over there simply dont care, Saudi has the money to sustain for a while but they have the same fate imo unless they do an MLS. The MLS is doing better than it was, they have a grassroots/college structure and a slowly growing fanbase not because they get washed up legends. It takes literal decades to grow. I disagree with the point players *only* care about money. Your Ronaldo point is super disingenuous imo, its Real Madrid. I disagree that players are now going to Saudi instead of the PL or La Liga. Players arent going to Saudi or MLS in their prime at all, maybe 1 or 2. clubs draw players through power, size, history and of course money. Its the culture. Players mostly go to lesser leagues for money when theyre unable to compete. Maybe that would change when football culture is completely broken in a super league but i digress.
For an international super league to work they would have to completely start over, in countrys where football isnt nearly as popular, without the support of European fans, I seriously do not see how a super league would not kill the sport.
I can agree the sportswashing would do bits though. The reputation has already came along way with only 2 clubs in the prem.
Im not by any means trying to glamourize anything, football is in a really rough spot right now, its shocking really. I dont even care about the prem, my teams not even in it. If anything a super league would benefit my club lol. Anyway, just my opinion. Cheers for giving yours mate
God I wish Qatar took over United just see all their fans flipping their morals because they might be competitive again
Buvey saying “there is no argument that’s been made that says State ownership is bad” was incredibly stupid self own by himself. Adam made a poorly made argument for why it’s bad but he was right and Buvey then looked as deluded as that potato Steve.
Other points. No chance the big clubs jump to the ESL with City if City are expelled or leave the league. The whole point of the ESL was to put a stop to City and new clubs becoming City, then leaving is beneficial to those clubs they would drive City to the airport and Real/Barca won’t do a ESL without the big English teams.
Nobody would care if City left. The impact on broadcast deals would be minimal. They just don’t pull the numbers. If City got relegated down the leagues those players would then be up for grabs and will mostly be poached by big English clubs. The only value city have is they have Haaland/KDB and they would be gone.
Adam went for the passion point of view
@@jesuscruz7033he was also broadly correct. Just didn’t articulate his points well.
@WaniZame I thought the same but he's not good at debating
This lawsuit is about change brought in recently. City is suing now because they are rules against player transfers between multi-club owners.
That's an angle no one looks at. We bought savio from Girona. Everyone complained about fair market value... when almost every player we sold for less than they are worth based on their CV. We facilitate outgoing transfers which are not capped but you want to cap our incoming. When other leagues and clubs don't have that rule.
The issue is inflated commercial deals from related parties - that’s what city have been doing for years
All clubs do it. Open your eyes
@@malc568Arsenal are owned by Americans and sponsored by the Emirates...
One example....
Explain your nonsense
Sorry man utd and Chelsea have taken more investment from Saudi than Newcastle fact mate
Its crazy how Adam is speaking bc everyone sitting there knows damn well that he would do a complete 180 if it was united doing this
No way do man city feel the same club, every single thing city has achieved ever will have an * beside it for all fans, great team or not, its completely tainted, they should be relegated down to league 2 but no leagues should be given to the teams that finished 2nd, thats pointless, just punish them to the standard they punished everton and forest, then boom relegation. And the league thrives without man city, will be a way more exciting league without them
The problem with ffp rules are that they keep the hierarchy the same in the league. With ffp rules united Chelsea Liverpool and arsenal to a lesser degree will never lose power and never permanently lose position
As it allows the same popular clubs who spent the most before ffp was around to monopolise the league as monetarily it’s impossible to keep up as legally teams can’t spend the same
It’s good to prevent teams like Wrexham overspending but it prevents a smaller club like Brentford from ever having lasting success
Exactly. If you don’t allow clubs to inject the additional capital to compete with the big boys you will never catch them besides freaks like Leicester.
Is that why the league has been dominated by Man City over the last decade?
Flav is the man, really inteligent and articulate as well as funny, def get him on more often - i def watch more if you do that for sure. balances out the others really well making for a much better watch
The dumbest thing about this for me is they agreed to the rules and singed off on them just like every other Prem club yet now they want to act like the rules are unfair. Saying the league isn't competitive enough when they probably cheated to sign players and make money and teams like Liverpool have lost out on the league by 1 point 2 times and Man U on goal difference once. Like make it make sense.The EFL is getting angry, but also if clubs like Liverpool, Man U and Arsenal actually get angry they hold a lot of power and it wouldn't surprise me if they take action.
Very interesting theory,if the 'Red Cartel' finally step out,from behind the curtain ! 😏😏
Everyone wants to Fck around and find out that Adam graduated with a Law Degree 2013/14 OG viewers remember
So… I’ve heard him dribble some absolute bullshit on many occasions.. just because he has an education doesn’t make him exempt from being/saying stupid shit
Adam is right the premier league will be fine without city..
Anyone siding with city is honestly dumb sorry. Zero integrity
Imagine ManUtd in the internet era....breaking multiple transfer records, with the owners, glazers who sat on the same AIG board who sponsored their kits and then when they see their position of power being challenged, push for rule changes to keep their monopoly in place....imagine the hate they would have gotten
Difference in spending what Is generated & spending via sports washing & sponsors😁
@@joedawson377SAF was third in spending during his tenure and created an organic dynasty. Didn’t need to win the lottery and play outside of the rules to dominate
@@DapperSZN allegedly
@@DapperSZNduring 90s and early 00s saf spent more than anyone by a long way , only after chelsea in mid 00s was he not the highest spender ..guy was breaking transfer spend every summer
@@TheChampIsHere_fergie added 1 new marquee signing to team every year to keep everyone else hungry , he still won a treble with a core of academy players , that champions league final had a starting 11 with 7 academy players in it
Basically, this is an admission of guilt from them. This has nothing to do with 'the free market'. For once I agree with Adam and if City want to leave, off you go. Nobody will miss you.
Britian been sports washing for years with the Commonwealth games
Funny how right Adam is about sportswashing. But in reality he’s supporting a team discriminating against Arabs.
Just a reminder that your all here to comment because none of you care about city
This is bigger than City, it's about the impact on the entire league if not football sphere. The videos on city winning the league etc just don't get the views that real clubs do.
I'm pretty surprised man city is claiming they don't need a reasonable transfer pricing policy. For things like tax purposes it's a pretty established idea you can't just pay an unreasonable amount to a related entity, and you need to prove the amount paid is based on something from the market. Interested to see where this goes....
Makes them sound guilty
From a legal perspective, what City is doing is trying to prove that if one of the rules of the PL are unfair then from a legal point of view, the other rules set by the PL can also be compromised. The integrity of the PL can be seen as unfair in a legal perspective. Therefore, some of the 115 charges can be reduced; at least those related to FFP rules.
Adam mckola rattled 😂
Buvey rattled. Did we watch the same video?
@@miasmaATL adam was either lying or purposely stating incorrect things
It was 4 on 1 embarrasing content from the club. @@miasmaATL
Are we watching the same video?
@@addy5572 one club is suing the premier league….. how did you think this should go? No one respects city.
what it sounds like to me is that city for years have tried to find loopholes to spend more money then after doing that for years they’re like why is it so wrong? why should they have to limit what they do? It sounds like they’re trying to change some laws in the league so that eventually when the 115 charges do kick in it turns out that the rules have changed and they’ve done it legally
Nothing is wrong with finding loopholes, everyone can use them. Something is wrong with setting rules that only target specific ownership.
@@LionKingMCFC they set the rules targeting certain ownership because they know it could destroy the league, it’s worked against newcastle so far, they were fighting relegation then next season they get europe from a bit of investment, then this year without injuries they probably get europe again, the rules have stopped newcastle instantly establishing themselves as a top 4 team for the foreseeable. As for nothing being wrong with finding loopholes, the word loopholes basically means finding ways around the rules to do what the rule intended to stop u doing so whilst it’s not technically wrong it’s still against the point. It’s like chelsea giving out 8 year contracts, the rule was brought in to stop teams spending hundreds of millions but they found a way around it and did it which in theory is wrong
@timmy5876 creating a made up worst case scenario to slow the growth of certain clubs can not be lawful. Telling Newcastle, Aston Villa, etc, that their reward for getting in Europe or the CL is that they have to sell their best players to buy new players to compete is madness. It's shouldn't matter what the amount is because others in the league spends more, what should matter is sustainability.
@@LionKingMCFC success should come from making good signings not from spending a lot on expensive players cus otherwise anyone could get to the top level, liverpool under klopp for example initially signing mane, robertson, milner then bringing trent through then only spending big when they received a big transfer fee. Newcastle could make that step if they sold bruno for 100m and signed 2 top players for 50m each
@timmy5876 but City aren't the highest spenders. They've made excellent signings and have produced quality from the acedemy. The highest spenders in the league can't make the top 4. Why does everything only apply to City?
This is the worst comments section i think ive ever come across.
What a stupid video. 4 vs 1 and nobody in the room has any idea what they are talking about. Next time get somebody like @slbn on
Then provide your insights and give everyone facts. Just insulting everyone is not a real argument now is it
Worst comment section you’ve ever come across? You should probably read A LOT more if you think this is bad.