I have routinely used a light dusting of baby powder for any of my 3D scans/photogrammetry. This is great for two reasons; it washes off easily so it's not permanently damaging, and it also allows you to still see any color information on the surface of your object. For example; I applied a light dusting onto a bottle of Maker's Mark (hehe, no pun intended) and not only did it successfully scan the object's surface (despite being clear and shiny glass), you could still clearly pick up the label and all of its text. A small bottle of baby powder is super cheap and goes a LONG way.
Great video Angus, thanks. With your banana stand you should just have a black stand for it, as the scanner can't read black it will save a huge amount of time in post clean up.
Thanks Bruce! Yep I figured that after using some black acrylic to prop the controller case up, scanner just ignored it. I was lazy and used what was nearby :) Time to print some purpose made scanner assist objects in black.
I've been using Gold Bond Powder spray from the pharmacy section from target, sells for about $1 an ounce but takes a little scrubbing to remove since it has other stuff in it too, thanks for the heads up on the low cost NDT developer spray, Amazon has stuff for $0.70 an ounce. I looked up the stuff we use at work, which is far cheaper than 3D scanning spray but it was still closer to $3 an ounce.
Quick additional use for this is for accessories to existing products. For eg, cell phone cases or accessories. Scan, import shape to add accessory into CAD program and add your component with the scan as reference. Makes things much more accurate than guesstimates with calipers or picture overlays.
In the case of phone cases, I would look up the dimensions for my phone model online, then make something up in a 3-D modelling program. I wouldn't really use a real-life phone as reference when the data is already available to me straight from the manufacturer. I think a better example would be something with dimensions that you can't find online. Say, maybe an accessory for a robot part you have built yourself.
I think scanners are useful for artists like me who can make cool art pieces out of clay 30 times faster than what I could hobble together in some software over many days in blender. Although 1k to do that to then print it in a 1k cost 3d printer is quite an expensive price for replicating art. It would probably be better for me to go with a hand scanner
A few years ago I was in San Fransisco and I ran into a crew of guys 3D scanning the entirety of Fisherman's Wharf. They were using just one camera thing on a tripod and a bunch of white balls on tripods around the area. The camera bit moved but the white balls didn't. I can't begin to imagine what kind of file they got out of that.
Hi, nice review. Some years ago I reviewed a David SLS scanner. I was quite impressed by it. It had to be used to scan rooftiles and historical ceramic roof parts to make plastic 3D printed masters and press-molds for a factory here in the Netherlands. Perhaps you can ask them for a scanner to review. They are based in Austria I believe.
It´s really interesting to see what had changed within some 5 years in between the review compared to the "nowadays" status. I´ve been working with the Einstar quite a while and recently bought the Einscan SP v2 a couple of weeks ago. Beside a constant price tag for both models the software seems to have improved much meanwhile and it´s really fun to work with this scanner - a reasonably PC system thus is required.
Great vid, Angus. You are spot on about scanning items like car parts, which, coincidentally is what I would use a scanner for. My problem with current scan tech is that it seems limited to small objects, it's expensive, and it's cumbersome. I've used a Kinect V2 with varied results. If you haven't tested one, I think you should. I'd be interested in hearing what you think.
Looks to me like a single scan from the top down would allow you to complete the top part of the mesh, but it would be quite difficult to scan anything from below. Unless you regularly have to scan objects with holes that are neither vertical nor horizontal, anything more would be very redundant. And even then, if it's just the one hole you can tilt your object on the plate so it's horizontal.
That's gonna be a while, Ken. consider how long it's taken for FDM 3D printing to finally reach the sub-100 dollar plug-and-print point. Having said that, I'm sure the scanners will be getting cheaper over time--in ten or fifteen years they should hit the same equivalent cost.
currently trying to make a car dash insert piece where a scan of the original would be extremely helpful getting the factory contour correct. A scanner would definitely be a benefit as multiple iterations have to be printed when adjustments need to be made for correct fitment or alignment
try photogrametry, recap is free for 30days. But bare in mind if the object is glossy, its not going to scan properly and all scanning tech will require some sort of clean up in order for it to print correctly. gluck
That's not a bad price point for a CMM laser scanner in your home. Extremely limited but more then adequate for targeted market. My CMM with laser scan head cost 247k. I use a Hexagon Romer arm for scanning.
Instead of the expensive scanner coating, maybe spray hair color could do the trick? It's made to be covering but easy to remove, so it's maybe worth a shot. Or wet the object and put baby powder on it?
Actually, that would be a fun video, trying different "weird" ideas and seeing what works. Find some cheap knickknacks that the machine can't scan, put some homemade coatings on them, and see how they scan compared to the special coating
The cost of the machine is hard to justify for a single user, but it would be great for maker spaces and the like, as one person would rarely use it but if there's many people who each use it once in a while it still gets used regularly. I don't think my local maker space has the budget for it unfortunately but one can dream, right?
naab007 note that 3d printers had a huge price tag at the beginning and it was not just because of expensive components, it was rather because of research and development and also the money doesn‘t get right into the manufacturers pocket as it will get divided into following categories: -employees -future r&d -investors -marketing -manufacturing cost -etc
yes, it's example of "price for fools", in new iPhone X 3D scanner goes almost for free (most price is for brand), fast flashing IR with dots projector, soon in every new Android
3d scanning still need lots of improvements even commercial ones. Lazer light and light around collide or gets in way of beam and the light hitting object (banana) reflects also. This calls for stealth technology where radar is absorbed, light reflects of object and you see the object's color, but at night or dark it doesn't reflect . Maybe by building a carton box painted it black and put the rotating part of the scanner in it as it scans maybe the image will come out perfect instead of tweaking on computer.
You have to simplify the mesh? Not really.... You're supposed to retopo, project the original onto the lower poly count and then bake the high frequency detail into normal and bump maps. All the detail is maintained that way and so having a higher quality scan can make a difference, depending on what it is you're scanning and how close it's going to be to the camera. Unless you're just 3d printing in which case it might not make much difference.
Did you ever habe the chance to test the FabScan Pi open-source DIY scanner? The built-in Raspberry Pi does all post processing and it is super affordable and fun to build
How will you know in the dental sector we use scanner for duplicate our model?These cost a lot.Do you have any idea how this can work in the dental industry?
Team viewer is not dodgy by itself. Only if they were to make the installation so they can remote to your system it would become shady as hell. But idk if you can do that. It would be in team viewer's interest to block such a behavior...
If I remember correctly, the option exists, Tomas, but it has to be enabled on the computer directly, it's not in the config files. Of course, my info is third-hand at best and can't be relied on.
I was thinking of using a 3D scanner to scan a model’s face to create a 3D print so a special effects person could do the prosthetics on the 3D print, saving the model from having to spend hours under plaster for a live cast. Seems the technology needs to advance a bit for that idea. Was also thinking it could help me create custom arm and leg braces for my wife who’s partially paralyzed from a stroke.
It might seem daunting at first, but there are lots of good info on it. Here on youtube you can look at ClassyDogFilms and its three-part introduction to photogrammetry. Their humor might not be for everyone, but they cover a lot and gets you going quite fast.
Jeff Slater, Watch this tested video, it covers the whole special effects prosthetics side of 3d scanning and shows a high end setup which could possibly be scaled down to your needs: ua-cam.com/video/1won7AYden0/v-deo.html
SO, ive used an xBox kinnect to make 3d mapping robots ... i used it to make a 3d scan of some things too. The kinnect is really good. why are these scanners over 1000$?
Hey Angus, would you say that 3D scanning is the best way to recreate a complex shape ? Let's say I have an object with a funky and original design (lot of curves for instance) that cannot be measured easily with common tools such as calipers etc. Would 3D scanning be the best way to recreate this shape ?
Wouldnt one of those nimble 6 axis cnc arms be perfect for holding onto an object and rotate it according to what the software wants? That way you'd get a perfectly stable base with the ability to show every nook and cranny to the cameras.
I am looking at small scanners for a start up I am doing with some college engineering friends, have you looked at any of the cheap open source 3D scanners? Like the HE3D Ciclop DIY 3D Systems Scanner? You can pick those up for like $120.
I wanna get into 3D-printing, but (as I currently am a student) with quite a small budget. The printer should 1) Have a build volume big enough to print more than just gimmics 2) Be able to print in a material stronger than PLA (like PET or something) 3) Have a quality good enough to print medium details (I know I'm not gonna get really good prints from a cheap machine, but I mean I have time and sandpaper ;)) Nice features would be a heated bed, SD-card-slot ant the possibility to do some DIY-upgrades with enough ingenuity. I also don't mind dealing with mains wiring ect... Trust me, I'm an engineer. Can you recommend a machine that fits the profile? Thanks in advance, Daniel.
Whats your budget? You can probably build something with an 8x8x8 build area yourself for about $200, not to mention possible black friday sales coming up. Cr-10s are great starter printers with room for upgrade and they're 350-400. check out openbuilds for 3d printer designs if you want to make one yourself.
Do a video on using the Xbox kinect 2.0 to scan things. I bought all the stuff I thought I needed to do this, but my built in usb3.0 wasn't a compatible chip set. So I got an expansion card and then everything checks out that it should work, yet the camera doesn't do anything. Idk of my video card isn't up to the task or what, but the camera doesn't even come on at all....
You mentioned scanning tanks, would it be possible to scan an individual part of a model? Im trying to design a part that conforms to an existing model and I've been having trouble getting the curvature right so the 3d print sits on the existing part.
Hey peeps, do you think the SE model is good enough to scan action figure heads? The heads are only about 1 inch tall. I'm concerned about the "0.17 Accuracy", it sounds important because things like eyelids and lips can be smaller than 0.17mm. Does this mean the SE won't capture fine details?
@maker's muse how do you get the scanned object to orient flat when exporting. When i export i get things at random angles that are impossible to get flat on a surface.
I have 2 offers SE for 500 Euros and Pro for 1700, the Pro worth it that difference?, I want to make parts for 1/12 figures, hairs, bodies, arms, weapons, let me know your thoughts please.
In the Einscan Software can you reduce the mesh or is that done in a post operation? Are there any chances of you getting your hands on the EinScan Pro or Pro+ models? I would be very interested to see how easy the hand held models are to use, and what kind of control you need to get a proper scan with them.
You can simplify in software, or later using something like meshmixer. I tested the pro when I visited Shining 3D last year , you can check the video out here - ua-cam.com/video/jQlvxWncVAk/v-deo.html
Angus thank's for the head's up on what not to buy ,so they did a little software work and now there all give us all your money. think i will go buy a beer instead :)
Very good video. Thanks for the info. I'm curious about something: you said you can't scan metal objects but would that CAD/CAM spray be making it possible to scan metal objects anyways?
I believe so, the problem with metal is how reflective the surface is, but with even a thin coat of something less reflective you don't have that problem anymore.
recap is still free on a 30day free trial and only $55 per month, we use agisoft photoscan at work for high end VFX and TVC work which is not suited for cloud base services. Reality capture is also popular. They all cost less then these products and are flexible enough to scan huge geometric areas or delicate enough to scan skin pore detail. The quality just depends on the the actual photo quality. All light based scanning tech will still struggle with refractive / reflective objects. But how great is it, when you can take photos of a larger statue for example, shrink it and 3D print it out :) You can't do it with these tabletop scanners.
Agreed. The hardest thing isnt to get goot telemetry but rather stitching it all together. You can theoretically make your own system by getting x number of cameras (2>x) of the same make and model and get great scans.
I don't like the tarantula, but it's cheap... depends if you want a 3D printer as a tool or hobby. If you're on a budget check out this video - ua-cam.com/video/VZn-5leg_q0/v-deo.html
i think 3D scanning soon will be in every new Android smartphone as free add-on which new iPhone X shows - where it scanning with fast flashing IR light & laser dots.
Seems like it has potential for the right application but for your average guy i don't see it being an item you have kicking around. For the models I make their either VERY small or to detailed to be handled by a 3D scanner... or I am working off a photo!
I had hands on use of the Pro while at Shining 3D HQ. If you want to do larger objects it's a must have, as it can do free hand geometry based or marker based scanning. If you don't need that though these scanners, especially the SP will work fine.
I am thinking about real time people scanning, but I guess it is still slower than real time? Up until now I couldnt find a system that does high detail real-time hand held scanning.
The pro works for people, but it's still a little bit like painting and very difficult for someone to stand still for so long. The best solution still for 3D scanning people and moving objects is a multi-camera photogrammetry rig.
Uff ok this doesnt sound feasable for me. Yes these rigs work like a photo camera but are sooooo expensive and need so much space. Ok waiting for Bill Gates, Elon Musk or Marc Zuckerberg to make the game :D
With the amount of setbacks put forth by a projected light 3d scanner, one would figure that it's not worth buying a machine that can't scan whatever you put on it. The lower cost machine looks like it was made with $300. I'm amazed that a company would put this type of price tag on such an inadequate machine. Just go with a laser scanner.
First - great video as usual. Second, perhaps you need to purposely come up with a project that you use the scanner for instead of just reviewing use. Then you will be able to determine if it's a practical tool. I would be interested in seeing how this sort of tech compares to any decent photogrammetry system like Autodesk's Recap Photo. Both in time from capture to completion and costs.
They are still too expensive. I watched the live stream of Thomas using it and I wouldn't pay more than £500 for something so unpolished and so rarely required. Also considering the price of a low-resolution projector, a small stepper, rotary encoder and 2 cameras it doesn't even demand that sort of money.
Hello, I don't wish to bother you elsewhere since its not a business inquiry. But I'm looking to get he SP and also in the market for a laptop. You mention the need for performance, may I ask what the specs in your Dell are? Regards, F.
Thank you for the review, I am a big an of your clear and well researched reviews.This one left me largely in in the dark though. if you get time can you please go more in depth? The Einscan S review you did was excellent and very useful and through with product comparisons and clear descriptions of features. This conclusion spends almost as much time covering your feelings on the idea of scanning in general as these specific products, that I do have a use for and could use some guidance on. This review does not narrow my choices compare it to other brands on the market or even explain the differences in scan quality between these two models very well. I would love your input on this product weather you have a use for it or not. How well does free scan mode work? Can you still scan multiple times and mesh the results for more detail? Can you print off something you scanned and compare it to the real thing, maybe break out the calipers? This would be a big investment for me and I rely on quality reviews make informed decisions. Thank you for your time please keep up the great work.
Those scanners look seriously cool. But I could get a fully assembled Prusa i3 MK3 with some upgrades and filaments for the cheaper one, so , yeah... No for me. Cool video though!
In your opinion, would the SE version be capable of (reasonable detailed) scanning of things like jewelry; rings, earrings? (Thanks for the quick reply BTW)
no nothing that small I don't think - also you'd have to coat them in a matt grey material or they won't show up at all. I'm not sure what could do a good job sorry.
I have routinely used a light dusting of baby powder for any of my 3D scans/photogrammetry. This is great for two reasons; it washes off easily so it's not permanently damaging, and it also allows you to still see any color information on the surface of your object. For example; I applied a light dusting onto a bottle of Maker's Mark (hehe, no pun intended) and not only did it successfully scan the object's surface (despite being clear and shiny glass), you could still clearly pick up the label and all of its text. A small bottle of baby powder is super cheap and goes a LONG way.
Forced Team Viewer install? I assume they intend it for remote support, but nooooo thanks! They should only be doing that if you request remote help.
Great video Angus, thanks. With your banana stand you should just have a black stand for it, as the scanner can't read black it will save a huge amount of time in post clean up.
Thanks Bruce! Yep I figured that after using some black acrylic to prop the controller case up, scanner just ignored it. I was lazy and used what was nearby :) Time to print some purpose made scanner assist objects in black.
so if the scanner ignores black, a scaffolding over the scan area with some thin black string to hold the object in place would be perfect i guess?
What about a transparent stand? So if ther is not so much distortion you could even preserve the scanne texture
AnonymusX black matte works best as it doesn't reflect. Transparent reflects and any reflection gives you noise.
There's always money in the banana stand.
5:33 I didnt plan on putting furrys into a 3D scanner.
For most applications, you can use Developer Spray for your 3D scanning spray. It's available on Amazon for less than $10 USD.
I've been using Gold Bond Powder spray from the pharmacy section from target, sells for about $1 an ounce but takes a little scrubbing to remove since it has other stuff in it too, thanks for the heads up on the low cost NDT developer spray, Amazon has stuff for $0.70 an ounce. I looked up the stuff we use at work, which is far cheaper than 3D scanning spray but it was still closer to $3 an ounce.
Picked up the SE based on your review. This thing is so easy to use and the software is intuitive in combining scans.
Quick additional use for this is for accessories to existing products. For eg, cell phone cases or accessories. Scan, import shape to add accessory into CAD program and add your component with the scan as reference. Makes things much more accurate than guesstimates with calipers or picture overlays.
In the case of phone cases, I would look up the dimensions for my phone model online, then make something up in a 3-D modelling program. I wouldn't really use a real-life phone as reference when the data is already available to me straight from the manufacturer.
I think a better example would be something with dimensions that you can't find online. Say, maybe an accessory for a robot part you have built yourself.
I think scanners are useful for artists like me who can make cool art pieces out of clay 30 times faster than what I could hobble together in some software over many days in blender. Although 1k to do that to then print it in a 1k cost 3d printer is quite an expensive price for replicating art. It would probably be better for me to go with a hand scanner
what kind of hand scanner would you recommend?
Your videos are very professional, but relaxing at the same time. Luxury.
A few years ago I was in San Fransisco and I ran into a crew of guys 3D scanning the entirety of Fisherman's Wharf. They were using just one camera thing on a tripod and a bunch of white balls on tripods around the area. The camera bit moved but the white balls didn't. I can't begin to imagine what kind of file they got out of that.
I use a Sony Xperia XZ1 for 3d scanning, and the result are actually really good! It has a built in 3d-scan function.
Hi, nice review. Some years ago I reviewed a David SLS scanner. I was quite impressed by it.
It had to be used to scan rooftiles and historical ceramic roof parts to make plastic 3D printed masters and press-molds for a factory here in the Netherlands.
Perhaps you can ask them for a scanner to review. They are based in Austria I believe.
It´s really interesting to see what had changed within some 5 years in between the review compared to the "nowadays" status. I´ve been working with the Einstar quite a while and recently bought the Einscan SP v2 a couple of weeks ago. Beside a constant price tag for both models the software seems to have improved much meanwhile and it´s really fun to work with this scanner - a reasonably PC system thus is required.
Great vid, Angus. You are spot on about scanning items like car parts, which, coincidentally is what I would use a scanner for. My problem with current scan tech is that it seems limited to small objects, it's expensive, and it's cumbersome. I've used a Kinect V2 with varied results. If you haven't tested one, I think you should. I'd be interested in hearing what you think.
they should double the scanning plate, one above and one below for instance, or triple and add one extra scanner on the side to cover 3 axis...
Looks to me like a single scan from the top down would allow you to complete the top part of the mesh, but it would be quite difficult to scan anything from below. Unless you regularly have to scan objects with holes that are neither vertical nor horizontal, anything more would be very redundant. And even then, if it's just the one hole you can tilt your object on the plate so it's horizontal.
Aldi UK just announced a £300 Balco 3D Printer, looks to be a Wanhao as you would expect.
Good luck!
I want to see the cheap scanner that's like 100-200$
That's gonna be a while, Ken. consider how long it's taken for FDM 3D printing to finally reach the sub-100 dollar plug-and-print point. Having said that, I'm sure the scanners will be getting cheaper over time--in ten or fifteen years they should hit the same equivalent cost.
the xbox kinetic can do 3D scanning ... and those units cost 20$
You must be this tall * to ride the "it-won't-happen-in-my-lifetime" carousel.
@@km5405 Even when they were brand new they didn't cost anywhere near these.
currently trying to make a car dash insert piece where a scan of the original would be extremely helpful getting the factory contour correct. A scanner would definitely be a benefit as multiple iterations have to be printed when adjustments need to be made for correct fitment or alignment
try photogrametry, recap is free for 30days. But bare in mind if the object is glossy, its not going to scan properly and all scanning tech will require some sort of clean up in order for it to print correctly. gluck
Banana for scale?
TheShadow,
I see you are a fellow user of the superior form of measurement, bananas.
Imgur represent.
Or Reddit. Which should be no surprise, imgur was originally a pic host site for redditors, even if it's grown up since.
that's what she said
@@km5405 No other nerd got it lol
That's not a bad price point for a CMM laser scanner in your home. Extremely limited but more then adequate for targeted market. My CMM with laser scan head cost 247k. I use a Hexagon Romer arm for scanning.
Instead of the expensive scanner coating, maybe spray hair color could do the trick? It's made to be covering but easy to remove, so it's maybe worth a shot. Or wet the object and put baby powder on it?
Actually, that would be a fun video, trying different "weird" ideas and seeing what works. Find some cheap knickknacks that the machine can't scan, put some homemade coatings on them, and see how they scan compared to the special coating
The cost of the machine is hard to justify for a single user, but it would be great for maker spaces and the like, as one person would rarely use it but if there's many people who each use it once in a while it still gets used regularly. I don't think my local maker space has the budget for it unfortunately but one can dream, right?
Talcum powder works great.
fucking hell 1200 bucks where are they going
into the manufacturers pocket, certainly not on the components.
naab007 note that 3d printers had a huge price tag at the beginning and it was not just because of expensive components, it was rather because of research and development
and also the money doesn‘t get right into the manufacturers pocket as it will get divided into following categories:
-employees
-future r&d
-investors
-marketing
-manufacturing cost
-etc
Build a 30$ laser Scanner, most likely much slower and not as good quality
www.instructables.com/id/Build-a-30-laser/
Protomaker Black Sprint Original 3D Printer cool link thx
yes, it's example of "price for fools", in new iPhone X 3D scanner goes almost for free (most price is for brand), fast flashing IR with dots projector, soon in every new Android
3d scanning still need lots of improvements even commercial ones. Lazer light and light around collide or gets in way of beam and the light hitting object (banana) reflects also. This calls for stealth technology where radar is absorbed, light reflects of object and you see the object's color, but at night or dark it doesn't reflect . Maybe by building a carton box painted it black and put the rotating part of the scanner in it as it scans maybe the image will come out perfect instead of tweaking on computer.
At 7:05 is that an avacado?
Would you recommend the Einscan SP nowadays for scanning action figure parts? Or is there a better / cheaper solution?
You have to simplify the mesh? Not really.... You're supposed to retopo, project the original onto the lower poly count and then bake the high frequency detail into normal and bump maps. All the detail is maintained that way and so having a higher quality scan can make a difference, depending on what it is you're scanning and how close it's going to be to the camera. Unless you're just 3d printing in which case it might not make much difference.
oBLACKIECHANoo perfectly put! The higher res projection is most important thing in realism lol
Did you ever habe the chance to test the FabScan Pi open-source DIY scanner? The built-in Raspberry Pi does all post processing and it is super affordable and fun to build
How will you know in the dental sector we use scanner for duplicate our model?These cost a lot.Do you have any idea how this can work in the dental industry?
Does it need team viewer installed to use the scanner?
can it scan a zwei?
Gotta find a zwei first... might be easier to pull from chiv ;)
You know the zwei?
Team viewer is not dodgy by itself. Only if they were to make the installation so they can remote to your system it would become shady as hell. But idk if you can do that. It would be in team viewer's interest to block such a behavior...
If I remember correctly, the option exists, Tomas, but it has to be enabled on the computer directly, it's not in the config files. Of course, my info is third-hand at best and can't be relied on.
I was thinking of using a 3D scanner to scan a model’s face to create a 3D print so a special effects person could do the prosthetics on the 3D print, saving the model from having to spend hours under plaster for a live cast. Seems the technology needs to advance a bit for that idea. Was also thinking it could help me create custom arm and leg braces for my wife who’s partially paralyzed from a stroke.
watch out for photogrametry, it's a much better and versatile solution for your needs, if you have access to a good quality camera.
Oiz Thanks, I will look into photogrammetry.
It might seem daunting at first, but there are lots of good info on it. Here on youtube you can look at ClassyDogFilms and its three-part introduction to photogrammetry. Their humor might not be for everyone, but they cover a lot and gets you going quite fast.
Oiz that is a really cool Chanel. Real cool info, thanks for the heads up.
Jeff Slater,
Watch this tested video, it covers the whole special effects prosthetics side of 3d scanning and shows a high end setup which could possibly be scaled down to your needs:
ua-cam.com/video/1won7AYden0/v-deo.html
SO, ive used an xBox kinnect to make 3d mapping robots ... i used it to make a 3d scan of some things too. The kinnect is really good. why are these scanners over 1000$?
Hey Angus, would you say that 3D scanning is the best way to recreate a complex shape ?
Let's say I have an object with a funky and original design (lot of curves for instance) that cannot be measured easily with common tools such as calipers etc. Would 3D scanning be the best way to recreate this shape ?
Did you end up using the 3d scanner for anything? Any updates?
Wouldnt one of those nimble 6 axis cnc arms be perfect for holding onto an object and rotate it according to what the software wants? That way you'd get a perfectly stable base with the ability to show every nook and cranny to the cameras.
And you think you can buy this machine with cnc arms for 500$?
No body buy it for a few thousand for hobby purposes.
I am looking at small scanners for a start up I am doing with some college engineering friends, have you looked at any of the cheap open source 3D scanners? Like the HE3D Ciclop DIY 3D Systems Scanner? You can pick those up for like $120.
@@lepus6511 Thank you, I can look into that. I am familiar with DIC/photogrammetry from my research work with ARAMIS. I appreciate your help.
Would have liked to see something you scanned and then printed but otherwise, as usual, a very good review.
Our FARO X130 Scanner at work costs around 20k $, so I think 3k is a decent price ^^
I wanna get into 3D-printing, but (as I currently am a student) with quite a small budget. The printer should
1) Have a build volume big enough to print more than just gimmics
2) Be able to print in a material stronger than PLA (like PET or something)
3) Have a quality good enough to print medium details (I know I'm not gonna get really good prints from a cheap machine, but I mean I have time and sandpaper ;))
Nice features would be a heated bed, SD-card-slot ant the possibility to do some DIY-upgrades with enough ingenuity. I also don't mind dealing with mains wiring ect... Trust me, I'm an engineer.
Can you recommend a machine that fits the profile?
Thanks in advance, Daniel.
Whats your budget? You can probably build something with an 8x8x8 build area yourself for about $200, not to mention possible black friday sales coming up. Cr-10s are great starter printers with room for upgrade and they're 350-400. check out openbuilds for 3d printer designs if you want to make one yourself.
Do you have an idea of how strong pla actually is?
Do a video on using the Xbox kinect 2.0 to scan things. I bought all the stuff I thought I needed to do this, but my built in usb3.0 wasn't a compatible chip set. So I got an expansion card and then everything checks out that it should work, yet the camera doesn't do anything. Idk of my video card isn't up to the task or what, but the camera doesn't even come on at all....
It's awesome for making quick backround models for 3d Picture creation
weird question, can you scan lady muse and 3d print her with it?
not with this one... maybe one day.
Can someone help me, when scanning my camera is picking up a double vision like affect and my scans are not aligning, any help would be great
You mentioned scanning tanks, would it be possible to scan an individual part of a model? Im trying to design a part that conforms to an existing model and I've been having trouble getting the curvature right so the 3d print sits on the existing part.
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Very Good Channel!
Is it possible to use this models in dental? In this case, for wich porpouse?
What ever happened to the apple verg (i think). this looked promising to me. Real time scanning..
Can you scan an objet then print the rescan the print, ect
Hey peeps, do you think the SE model is good enough to scan action figure heads? The heads are only about 1 inch tall.
I'm concerned about the "0.17 Accuracy", it sounds important because things like eyelids and lips can be smaller than 0.17mm. Does this mean the SE won't capture fine details?
I use it on my prototypes, it works.
@maker's muse how do you get the scanned object to orient flat when exporting. When i export i get things at random angles that are impossible to get flat on a surface.
Very useful video but I cannot justify that price range. I use an XBox 360 Kinnect scanner and have been very satisfied with my results so far
ru doing a meet up in Perth this year?
dunno, up to tim.
I have 2 offers SE for 500 Euros and Pro for 1700, the Pro worth it that difference?, I want to make parts for 1/12 figures, hairs, bodies, arms, weapons, let me know your thoughts please.
In the Einscan Software can you reduce the mesh or is that done in a post operation? Are there any chances of you getting your hands on the EinScan Pro or Pro+ models? I would be very interested to see how easy the hand held models are to use, and what kind of control you need to get a proper scan with them.
You can simplify in software, or later using something like meshmixer. I tested the pro when I visited Shining 3D last year , you can check the video out here - ua-cam.com/video/jQlvxWncVAk/v-deo.html
Angus thank's for the head's up on what not to buy ,so they did a little software work and now there all give us all your money. think i will go buy a beer instead :)
Any way to do this with Microsoft Kinects (or some equivalent) and/or regular cameras or webcams?
MotherEric yes, almost certainly.
Kinect has an API, though the resolution is poor
Great video Angus. Have you had any experience 3D scanning with the xbox one kinect? Would be cool to see a vid on that. :)
Any chance of a comparison with the $30 printable model on thingiverse?
Hi what’s the max object width you can scan?
Is there any thing out there for large scale scanning?
Very good video. Thanks for the info.
I'm curious about something: you said you can't scan metal objects but would that CAD/CAM spray be making it possible to scan metal objects anyways?
I believe so, the problem with metal is how reflective the surface is, but with even a thin coat of something less reflective you don't have that problem anymore.
9:00 I'm sorry, but if I wanted something to put up on a website I would use a photograph.
photogrametry is cheaper and more flexible, this tech is pretty ancient.
Looks like Autodesk has killed its last free photogrammetry option, got any viable alternatives?
recap is still free on a 30day free trial and only $55 per month, we use agisoft photoscan at work for high end VFX and TVC work which is not suited for cloud base services. Reality capture is also popular. They all cost less then these products and are flexible enough to scan huge geometric areas or delicate enough to scan skin pore detail. The quality just depends on the the actual photo quality. All light based scanning tech will still struggle with refractive / reflective objects.
But how great is it, when you can take photos of a larger statue for example, shrink it and 3D print it out :) You can't do it with these tabletop scanners.
Agreed. The hardest thing isnt to get goot telemetry but rather stitching it all together. You can theoretically make your own system by getting x number of cameras (2>x) of the same make and model and get great scans.
You can even use devices like the Kinect to scan objects :)
Heh yeah that's true. Cool that it's still got a trial. $55/mth is pocket change for a business but makes it difficult to just play around with.
Can you use the iphone X face id as a 3D scanner?
Shantae game spotted. Good taste my man. It would be really cool for someone to scan or make a model of her.
7:53. As far as I can tell, the scans are identical.
Yep, after decimating I saw very little difference. If anything the SP has a strange ridging effect on it.
Is there any budget scanners?
Hey angus what do you think of the tevo line of 3d printers
I don't like the tarantula, but it's cheap... depends if you want a 3D printer as a tool or hobby. If you're on a budget check out this video - ua-cam.com/video/VZn-5leg_q0/v-deo.html
can i ask about the graphics card you are using in your laptop?
i think 3D scanning soon will be in every new Android smartphone as free add-on which new iPhone X shows - where it scanning with fast flashing IR light & laser dots.
Seems like it has potential for the right application but for your average guy i don't see it being an item you have kicking around. For the models I make their either VERY small or to detailed to be handled by a 3D scanner... or I am working off a photo!
Great Video! Is there anything new about the Einscan Pro? Is it worth investing the money?
I had hands on use of the Pro while at Shining 3D HQ. If you want to do larger objects it's a must have, as it can do free hand geometry based or marker based scanning. If you don't need that though these scanners, especially the SP will work fine.
I am thinking about real time people scanning, but I guess it is still slower than real time? Up until now I couldnt find a system that does high detail real-time hand held scanning.
The pro works for people, but it's still a little bit like painting and very difficult for someone to stand still for so long. The best solution still for 3D scanning people and moving objects is a multi-camera photogrammetry rig.
Uff ok this doesnt sound feasable for me. Yes these rigs work like a photo camera but are sooooo expensive and need so much space. Ok waiting for Bill Gates, Elon Musk or Marc Zuckerberg to make the game :D
I've had a few projects that this would help with.
With the amount of setbacks put forth by a projected light 3d scanner, one would figure that it's not worth buying a machine that can't scan whatever you put on it. The lower cost machine looks like it was made with $300. I'm amazed that a company would put this type of price tag on such an inadequate machine. Just go with a laser scanner.
First - great video as usual. Second, perhaps you need to purposely come up with a project that you use the scanner for instead of just reviewing use. Then you will be able to determine if it's a practical tool.
I would be interested in seeing how this sort of tech compares to any decent photogrammetry system like Autodesk's Recap Photo. Both in time from capture to completion and costs.
They are still too expensive. I watched the live stream of Thomas using it and I wouldn't pay more than £500 for something so unpolished and so rarely required. Also considering the price of a low-resolution projector, a small stepper, rotary encoder and 2 cameras it doesn't even demand that sort of money.
Hyss what would be nice is if makerspaces or printing shops had these and you could walk in and scan something for small fee now that would be cool
That would be good. Though I there are better systems if your going to charge for its use.
Agreed. I doubt that costs more than $200 to make so their profit margin must be insane.
better yet, it should be free (with shipping, installation, training and technical support)
back to real life... it's a business!! don't you get it??
i am rolling on the ground of laughing after you like zoom in at your face and that board, good memes
also, as always, great vid!
I can only really see these being useful for a few miniature companies who need to scan raw hand sculpts to seen computer files to a manufacturer.
Excellent review thanks
Thankus Angus.
Hey Angus. Where can we buy these in Aus?
+Andrew Rabbitt I believe 3D Printing Systems carries them
Wow! That was quick! :D Thanks
Hello,
I don't wish to bother you elsewhere since its not a business inquiry.
But I'm looking to get he SP and also in the market for a laptop. You mention the need for performance, may I ask what the specs in your Dell are?
Regards,
F.
can you scan ear impressions for me? for a reasonable fee in sydney?
Andrew Carfax-Foster any luck?
so want one of these. and in my view compared to the other ways of scanning then yes its worth it. :)
Thank you for the review, I am a big an of your clear and well researched reviews.This one left me largely in in the dark though. if you get time can you please go more in depth? The Einscan S review you did was excellent and very useful and through with product comparisons and clear descriptions of features. This conclusion spends almost as much time covering your feelings on the idea of scanning in general as these specific products, that I do have a use for and could use some guidance on. This review does not narrow my choices compare it to other brands on the market or even explain the differences in scan quality between these two models very well. I would love your input on this product weather you have a use for it or not. How well does free scan mode work? Can you still scan multiple times and mesh the results for more detail? Can you print off something you scanned and compare it to the real thing, maybe break out the calipers? This would be a big investment for me and I rely on quality reviews make informed decisions. Thank you for your time please keep up the great work.
To me the main point is for building models that interact with existing objects. E.g. wearables
Print a Swiss Cube! That would be sick!
Mac version of the software?
Looks good but I don't think there is a needed use for it in the home or really for hobbiests. This is really for businesses.
What is that fruit at the end?
That is a second season pineapple :) They get smaller each harvest and (imho) sweeter. Tasted good.
an avo
ahhhh...you didn't watch the video to the end..:-)
And scanning the Warhammer tanks perfectly okay as long as you don't share it :-)
Those scanners look seriously cool. But I could get a fully assembled Prusa i3 MK3 with some upgrades and filaments for the cheaper one, so , yeah... No for me. Cool video though!
good vid mate was hoping when i bought thhe davinci aio i was hoping i could do that
Very useful for people that want to pirate designs and art 👍.
5:26 Missed opportunity for catscan pun
8 months on... have you used either very much?
I do very little 3D Scanning for my design work, but for people who need to digitise real objects they're invaluable.
In your opinion, would the SE version be capable of (reasonable detailed) scanning of things like jewelry; rings, earrings? (Thanks for the quick reply BTW)
no nothing that small I don't think - also you'd have to coat them in a matt grey material or they won't show up at all. I'm not sure what could do a good job sorry.
That's OK, thanks for the review :) Saves me being disappointed with a £1000+VAT purchase. Great videos btw.
Fidget spinner on wall 1:40 XD
and what if your bored you can scan yourself in parts lots of parts thousands os parts lol .great vid angus
you know you can literally just use a camera and photogrammetry software, right?