Such an ass. Your intro to this video caused me to loose all respect for you. Guess the rest of this one will fall into all of your remaining videos I will never watch. Thanks for revealing your true self.
Something about this still does not smell right... An unofficial heads-up between acquaintances, but also a rather official sounding "give me all the call signs involved"... It sounds at the very least as if someone at the FCC might be coloring outside the lines a bit. I'm prob wrong, but just sayin'.
Nothing fishy at all going on. The FCC made it clear back in January that linking GMRS repeaters via the internet to relay voice communication is illegal. You can legally link your repeater to the internet for remote control, but not for relaying GMRS comms via the internet to other repeaters. The repeater custodian must have been aware of this and didn't want to be responsible for others breaking the rules on his machine. Don't shoot the messenger, I'm only sharing what I know about this.
@@richb.4374 We've all heard the same story. It still smells like the contact at the FCC is deviating from established procedure by handling this "buddy-buddy" and via email. As far back as I can remember, I've never heard of anything like it. It is distinctly "out of character" for the FCC.
Although I don't like the network being shut down I do (sort of) understand why GMRS repeater networks might be something the FCC would want to avoid. With a limited number of channels (and repeaters "overlapping" with the standard simplex channels) a large coverage network sort of closes off those channels for larger areas compared to a single repeater. A large radio club that wants to run a network with significant coverage is better suited to amateur radio, where this sort of thing is not only allowed but also quite common. But that does limit it to people willing to take the tests and get new radios. Kind of a sucky situation all around. Honestly, I really wish the FCC would make a few small changes that would make things a whole lot nicer for all of us. 1. Allow linked GMRS repeaters with some caveats. Given the limitations of the channels there definitely would need to be some sort of management, and I really have no idea how this might be done, but it would at least give groups like this an option. 2. For GMRS, eliminate the need for a callsign or registration when using simplex on an HT. It's basically FRS with *slightly* more power. A callsign should only be needed to use repeaters and to use more than 5W in my opinion. 3. Allow HAM radios to transmit on GMRS frequencies "legally" using a GMRS callsign as long as all GMRS limitations and rules are obeyed. I should be able to have one radio that does both and not rely on MARS mods, which "technically" are only usable in an emergency. If I go out for a hike with my family and we all have GMRS radios, I should be able to carry my HAM radio and use it for our GMRS communication and not need to carry two separate radios. (Of course, I might anyway for backup, but my point is that I shouldn't *need* to. 😁)
Amateur radio license doesn't grant you auto access to cb or to lmr or any other service. So not sure why you should be able to access gmrs. I two hate carrying multiple radios. So currently running a harris xg100p so I can access, 2m, 70cm, 7/800 (as a scanner), as well as several lmr encrypted repeaters and gmrs if necessary. It is not type certified but just not completely frowned upon.
It appears "Uncle Charlie" is starting to take notice. GMRS licensees are exploding right now so I guess they figure they better nip this in the bud now. As a group that has a local repeater my opinion is the linked systems should be examined. I can hear the same conversation on three different repeaters within my receive range on 3 different frequencies. They should either expand the frequencies that GMRS can use for repeaters and reveal what is and is not allowed on GMRS in terms of repeaters. Randy as always your show is worth the watch. Keep up the good work.
There's a good chance he's in broadcast or commercial communications and his income depends on a good working relationship with Uncle Charlie(The FCC).
interesting stuff, I only keep radios for emergency shituations...and well at work but we have encrypted channels there. here's a comment for interaction points
Isn't it wonderful to live in a country where an unconstitutional agency writes laws rather than congress? Not to mention that the system denies you trial by jury as guaranteed by the constitution.
Maybe the recent smack down of the ATF on the bump stocks could be a basis for bringing a case against the FCC; The bump stock case was won specifically because the ATF changed the definition of a rule without Congressional approval.
I mean, the FCC was created by Congress and empowered with regulation and enforcement authority. That kind of negates the "unconstitutional" business. But more to the point - the rules aren't new, and there's plenty of legal options available for those wishing to do what was done here. This whole thing is so "I broke rules I knew about,but I'm still the victim".
An unconstitutional agency? Congress (you know, those guys in DC who make the laws?) passed the Communications Act of 1934 creating the Federal Communications Commission and charged them with overseeing and regulating telephone, telegraph and radio communications. Which part of that do you not understand?
Thanks for doing this interview. Your interview questions were good. So many aspects remain suspect - the "working relationship" between the custodian and the FCC employee, unofficial notification that there was a potential rule violation, request for call signs. Why would someone with a substantial GMRS network just shut it down? Is there something illegal about connected repeaters?
Connecting repeaters the way these were connected, according to the FCC, violates FCC rules, as mentioned in this video and the previous referenced video.
@@TheNotaRubicon I'm not understanding what about the connection made the FCCs get mad at this repeater network, compared to other GMRS repeater networks. If you do a followup video on this and could find time to explain the illegality of the connection, I'd be grateful. Be sure to use short words and speak slowly for me ;-)
@@REXOB9 The FCC rules do not allow connecting GMRS repeaters to the internet. But the rule was written 50 years ago before the Internet even existed so the words are very confusing and normal people who speak normal english are not aware its illegal.
Where I live, we have a large GMRS network, and as of 6-17-2024, the FCC updated the part 95.1749 GMRS network connection and included "Or other networks" to this rule. Is it possible that his friend with the FCC was aware of this change and gave them a heads up? Guess we will have to wait and see. :(
Wrong. Nothing has changed. I have in front of me the rulemaking from 2017 in the Federal Register. I suggest you read and pay special attention to the word "however", as however is important to note. It reads: § 95.1749 GMRS network connection. Operation of a GMRS station with a telephone connection is prohibited, as in § 95.349. GMRS repeater, base and fixed stations, however, may be connected to the public switched network or other networks for the sole purpose of operation by remote control pursuant to § 95.1745.
Wonder how legal it is to give a heads up email to an associate,and if so why would they make it in writing and not just inform over a lunch date. Is there not a rule against information given on active investigation or does that not apply to minor stuff
@@rhyoliteaquacade correct.under95.1749 For the sole purpose of remote control. Not for linking repeaters together… linking repeaters together is considered a network hence not legal. I was at the fcc meeting in harrisbur*,PA And audio linking is the violation Period. All he had to do was disconnect the link and leave it as a stand alone repeater
@@cozy659 I was not at the Harrisburg meeting but viewed the video and nowhere did I hear FCC rendering any opinion on that matter. Provide a link. What I did hear was an FCC spokeswoman saying that staff opinions were not binding to rules.
@@rhyoliteaquacade To answer your question it begins with my friend asking the question on linking GMRS repeaters. And Al answers the question reading directly from the fcc rules. Starts at 1:12:40. You can use networks for remote controlO NLY. You cannot link to communicate.nthsts considered networking. I’m the guy front row infront of Al . II start at 1:18:30. My wife and are are both disabled with 2 small GMRS repeaters linked less than 13 miles apart using nanostations not even o the internet. Again he calls it networking under the rules it’s not legal period.i also brought up the NYC system that slams mine. Hence the reason for the two linked repeaters.. the discussion was also about the letter that went out a few years ago saying that linking was allowed. That letter was just an opinion of an fcc staffer it was NOT the rule… hence 95.1749 states or any other network” therefore linking of GMRS repeaters Is not legal. Unless the fcc changed that wording. Hope that explains it. Cannot be any more clearer.. good luck and no letter had to be sent to me to tell me stop linking. That in person luncheon was my warning.i happen to be a broadcast engineer. So yes I have a friendly connection on a first name basis with each of those fcc representives that were there due to my job. Here is the video of that fcc luncheon ua-cam.com/video/86FLGl_e5nw/v-deo.htmlsi=dfb71aLQt8MAkXfH
When you shroud something in secrecy refusing to say who owns and runs the repeater network who sent the email this is suspicious. Also fcc doesn’t make orders by email. Why was there not an actual enforcement mail
The problem as I see it is that setting up linked repeater networks require building skills and lots of channels. The GMRS service as defined by the FCC has neither. There are only 8 GMRS repeater channels and they can easily be filled up with linked repeaters broadcasting audio from users far away interfering with local users who want to use the channel. Also, GMRS licensees are not required to have any education in how to build or talk through a complicated linked repeater network. I'm guessing that the FCC will say "you want to build a complex linked repeater network? Great! That's what ham radio is for." My understanding is that GMRS is intended by the FCC to be a simple radio service with simple repeaters for people who just want to talk on the radio without learning all the technical details and taking a test.
My opinion - we have only 8 repeater pairs. When these systems usurp several pairs for one guy talking to his buddy, it prevents the intended frequency usage in local areas.
NYC has switched the NYPD communications to digital comms . ( media ) if I’m not mistaken tried to raise an issue about this . The city’s response was that there are apps that will provide info/ comms on a delay . I have been using a scanner for years to listen to the disfunctional organization and now it’s silence.
Not so! Internet linking would be among the first things to go in a SHTF scenario. All this does is free up those limited 8 pairs and 50W simplex channels for local area use, GMRS' intended purpose. Hearing ratchet jaws blathering about nothing on the other side of the state or the nation is not conducive to local area comms.
This is right from Part 95.1749 "You cannot directly interconnect a GMRS station with the telephone network or any other network for the purpose of carrying GMRS communications, but these networks can be used for remote control of repeater stations." This is most likely why your network was shut down. The FCC "clarified" this rule back at the beginning of this year during a meeting with the ARRL. The meeting can be found here for those willing to listen to a boring hour of radio geek BS. ua-cam.com/video/86FLGl_e5nw/v-deo.html
Interesting that he brought up rebroadcasting police frequencies. If someone did that on the repeater network, that's probably enough to get it brought down. If the custodian had a deal with their club, they may have had deals with other clubs. Someone was fucking around on there. lol
Well, Someone on my Zello Channel made that claim the day after it shut down. The user was from New York. It was also posted on Facebook. I have no proof this is true and I regret posting about it with no evidence to back up that claim. . I just wanted everyone to know what I was being told. I did heard it from 3 different users that day but that still isn't proof that this was going on. I wish I never posted it online however.
Some goofball with no creds or evidence said that in a YT reply, but that doesn't mean it happened. People imagine sh all the time that never happened.
How could you possibly be responsible for your user's actions? You cannot control what is transmitted on frequencies that are allowed to be used by other licensed users. If this were the case, we would have no repeaters in Los Angeles because all I hear is jamming and music on the ones nobody uses.
I’m wondering if this is connected to the fact that this is a simulcast system and not a traditional RF inked repeater. If so it is likely lined with a service outside of part 95e which would be a problem. Many of us who interact with the FCC regularly will receive an email or phone call if there is a an issue as all they are interested in is resolving the issue. If the initial contact fixes it then everyone is saved the headache of getting the enforcement department involved. On a side note, many of us who pay our bills with this stuff have long thought that linking GMRS via the internet and allowing access to the system via ZELLO is a violation of 95.1749 prohibiting interconnect with a telephone. Personally I could care less, but this is the same rule that prohibited phone patches on GMRS. That said, other groups may be contacted soon if this issue has made it to the commission’s radar… All that said WTF is pres potato head doing in the picture behind you? I’m pretty sure public isn’t the place for that sort of stuff…
Fcc part 95 generally refers to harmful transmissions such as fake distress calls, inappropriate language and such. Unfortunately many "family Radio Service" radios also cover GMRS frequencies at higher power, and as it often is the case, unlicensed entities who have little understanding of the license requirements often will choose the GMRS frequencies because of the higher power and range. I blame manufacturers for this for misleading the public on transmission powers in confusing ways. I am a HAM operator KB8YRI and remember a cell company at one time imported cell phones with "walkie talkie" capabilities on the 2 meter band. They were trying to sell them under a Nextel type radio cell system. Fortunately the imports were stopped and the few cells sold were recalled. I hope the owner/manager of the linked repeater system for GMRS is able to resolve any issues, as like HAM radio, GMRS is very useful during disaster and large events. Best wishes for your club!
planned escape routes for when feds come knocking. You saw what they did to that guy in Georgia, can you imagine what they'd do in NY. Oh my, going to need more flash bangs, emp devices and wire snips. FCC agents on a tear, need some headlines for that new budget proposal. Lets Go.
Zello is no real RF Radio 😮! Great for phone chats. . Looks like linked Networks are out the question to FCC now. Connect your GMRS Repeaters at good high locations at 50 ft and call it a day. Let's get radio club repeater active cause GMRS on simplex dong work as good with target & Walmart using them freqs. UHF is not hard to connect up as a repeater pair with CW station ID .
I believe if this GMRS club had the financial resources, they should have hired an attorney. Now with their refusal to provide member’s Call Sign information as requested by the FCC, this matter won’t be going away any time soon. I see this becoming a court action, shortly.
The problem with the FCC getting the call signs of the users, If the FCC really wants to get nasty about it, if you have used one of the linked machines that constitutes you using an ilegally linked system, they could institute enforcement actions against the individual users, I sort of understand their reasoning, GMRS was designed for short distance communications not state or nation wide.
When Feds, state, county, & local LEO "request" information they're on a fishing expedition. If they had a warrant they'd knock down your door and take what they want. I would retain an attorney immediately. I'd also comply with the request to shut down immediately. I would request a paper copy of the shutdown order and turn a copy over to my attorney. The attorney would likely ask for that. Without an actual warrant I wouldn't turn over any "requested" information without direction from my attorney to do so. It would be worth knowing what brought the repeater network to the Feds attention so that others can avoid similar Imperial entanglements.
We have a linked system in my area, and one guy is upset about it and threatening notifying thr e FCC. I think the problem is that internet linking technically uses part of the existing phone lines. Gray area. Wish they would let it be. It's usually one channel, and people can leave it out of their scan, if they don't want to hear too much activity.
On GMRS with only 8 repeater pairs, the practice of linking and only caring about their paying club members is inconsiderate of others wanting to put up small community repeaters.
What a freaking crap sandwich. I purchased a couple GMRS radios in the spring. I wanted to establish links to an alternate communication vehicle. I signed up to be part of a repeater network. All good. Now the FCC shuts it down. I guess I better move the contraband from my underwear drawer.
@@timnewton9888 My point is that you spend money to do something that you aren't supposed to do and then complain when you can't. It really doesn't matter if you didn't know at the time whether it was 'legal' or not. I get that it is frustrating, but that's life.
I’m pretty sure Randy could appreciate this text chain. I didn’t do anything illegal. I bought radios. I got a license from the FCC. I listened to chatter over a repeater network. Even if I wanted to communicate I couldn’t bc I have a five watt handheld GMRS device and the repeater is some 40 miles distant. Please don’t suggest I have somehow broken a law. I’m not as nice as Randy. You might want to stick to haranguing what few friends you have left.
Spectrum is a shared, limited resource. Only one person can transmit on a channel at a time in a given geographic area. Two people can use the same channel if they are far enough apart. More power means they would have to be farther apart. A repeater can dominate a ~50 mile radius. A linked repeater system means an individual can key their transmitter and take over that channel for hundreds of miles -- no one else can use that channel while his radio is transmitting. It's not hard to see the possibilities for abuse. Geographic sharing of RF spectrum is a part of Frequency Planning which is implemented by FCC rulemaking. Large area networks could be a great communications tool They could also be rendered useless by one individual.
There are over 50 active thriving gmrs licensed linked networks in the contiguous lower 48. Exciting times. Moral of this story for me has been that you can’t always trust your outsourced tech. I sure hope these Eastern Section radio enthusiasts get this all worked out again with an even better solution.
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I get some of the reasons why folks prefer GMRS over Amateur Radio. That said, Ham repeaters have been using voters, linked systems, and many different flavors of systems linked over the internet world wide, including Allstar, Echolink, GMR, Fusion, D-Star and others. There are dozens of online classes available for folks to get educated to pass the FCC Amateur Radio test. The entire question and answer pool are also available. Since this gentleman is in Rochester, NY he likely aware of the Rochester Amateur Radio Association, one of the biggest and most active clubs in the USA. They could assist him and his members in getting licensed. In less time than it would take to rebuild a network of GMRS repeaters, which apparently isn't legal under FCC rules, he could pivot to Ham Radio and get 90% to 95% of his members licensed as Technician Ham radio operators. They would have access to hundreds of repeaters in NY state and many thousands in the USA, Canada, and world wide. I wish him luck in whichever way he goes.
Maybe they could be investigating someone for some other reason and noticed they were an operator on this system and they're just using this as a way to get some information on this person?
Part 47 CFR § 95.1733 - Prohibited GMRS uses. CFR § 95.1733 Prohibited GMRS uses. (a) In addition to the prohibited uses outlined in § 95.333 of this chapter, GMRS stations must not communicate: (8) Messages which are both conveyed by a wireline control link and transmitted by a GMRS station;
This is not an fcc conspiracy please read my comment so you have the information. It's a fine case of who's antenna is bigger in the soap opera that is as the gmrs repeater turns. As far as Texas not caring about what happens in ny I can understand but also understand that the upstaters are far far different the the hokul crew in the east and lower side of the state wish we could split off at the mountains and leave them to their democratic eutopia.
One thing that wasn't addressed that I would like to know is how was the linking done? I mean was it over a mofied version of Allstar over the Internet? Was it connected over the phone?
Linked repeaters are legal IF you have the correct license and documentation. I was a club president 'somewhere in zero land' and we did it quite often.
Nobody said linked repeaters are not legal.. They said they are not 'legal' on GMRS and any other "correct license" would not be a GMRS license. How much for a Classic Beef 'N Cheddar these days?
@@TheNotaRubicon 100% correct. GMRS only has like 8 repeater pairs. Awhile back I was trying to use local GMRS repeater which was linked to pass some Skywarn local wx info when 2 farmers' (Nebraska and Iowa) where talking farming and wouldn't yield because it didn't effect them. Want to link repeaters? Get your ham license where there are hundreds of repeater pairs
Several days ago, when Uncle Randy posted on this issue, the first thought I had was… Dear FCC, the network will be shut down by (such date), AND network will return to operations by (set date) if the FCC fails to detail what the issue is. Have a nice day.
@molsaharpool2242: You'd probably receive a note (on FCC letterhead), with a citation of the Part 95 rule prohibiting the linking of GMRS repeaters to each other for the purpose of conveying voice communications. But I could be mistaken.
I find it funny that there are clubs for people to speak on the radio. Throw all that shit out the window and just talk like a normal human. Try it. Some interesting free speaking conversations. No license needed on any frequency. If you fake it right.
The FCC's would not send you an email for a cease and desist. They would send you ground mail and/or visit you personally. Don't fall for the dumb's, America.
I live in ny,beautiful state by not free,this smells horrible after hearing they want a list of users,no way,make them take you to court for it,job or no job.
Its like driving down the freeway and CHP pulls over the blue car for speeding, others are also speeding but he chose the Blue Car, its called the Selective enforcement. Next time it maybe the Green Car. Clearly the system is in violation of Part 95 Rules and Enforcement has to start somewhere, low hanging fruit is the probability. He should be grateful for the "Hey Knock that Off" before being cited and potentially receiving a Show Cause and possibly impacting his other licenses such as a GROL or Amateur. If you work in the Communications Industry, high probability you know the Rules. Sure you might get away with violating a Rule such as RoIP linking Part 95 GMRS for awhile, then when you get nicked don''t cry, you knew better. Like them or not, the FCC has a huge job and while you or others may see this as a Nothing Burger, this is their job to enforce the communications act and its parts relating to the various services. Be glad he's a friend, not that all the exposure to this has occurred, the Enforcement Bureau doesn't like this kind of stuff, they are usually very tight lipped. The Agent may get his hand slapped and relationship tarnished. Lets hope not, most of the Agents I work with are great guys but professional.
The GMRS was not intended to be a hobbyist radio service. There are 8 pairs. When you simulcast them, you are hoarding them. You need to share very few frequencies. Move to the ham band if you want to do that stuff.
I agree its a big problem when a linked repeater network broadcasts a GMRS conversation over other frequencies where no one is listening but because the repeater is broadcasting the local users can't use that channel.
@@craigdavidson2977 I'm all for linking repeaters just do it on the ham bands where there are many more frequencies and it's generally implied that people want to talk to one another. Not always the case obvs but more so than the family farm operation that is trying to corral the loose cattle etc.
In the name of public safety, GMRS repeaters should have the legal ability to link. This should be directed to the area Senator for review. The unnamed FCC rep who emailed, may now find himself in political quicksand.
The repeater network was linking voice over the internet when the long existing FCC rules say only remote control is allowed over the internet. If you watch randy's video again you will see the rules being violated are clearly identified.
Not much interest in the HAM side and social seen. GMRS is where its at, useful, easy, fun and better social seen. It is a good thing for folks to have fall back communications such as CB, GMRS, zelle without the overhead of HAM.
@@agrahazlthe social side is what you make of it. If you get a good group of people to get licensed you can just ignore the sad hams. I am 37 and have been licensed for 20 years. I talk to my friends on the radio and ignore the sad hams all the time.
@@agrahazl GMRS is supposed to be about allowing local area (5, 10, 25, 100+ miles or more depending on terrain and setup) comms between family, friends, and others. It is not there so people who are too lazy to spend a few hours studying to get their ham license can pretend to be hams and talk over a network that uses the same technology as their cell phone, to people all over the country or the state, tying up multiple scarce GMRS pairs.
Such an ass. Your intro to this video caused me to loose all respect for you. Guess the rest of this one will fall into all of your remaining videos I will never watch. Thanks for revealing your true self.
Bless your heart.. Can you let us all know what exactly made you cry the hardest? I want to make sure to do the same thing twice in my next video.
lol
Life in your momma's basement must be rough.
How's your pacifier doing?
Wow...humor matters
Something about this still does not smell right... An unofficial heads-up between acquaintances, but also a rather official sounding "give me all the call signs involved"... It sounds at the very least as if someone at the FCC might be coloring outside the lines a bit. I'm prob wrong, but just sayin'.
Yeah that's mixing personal and government relationships and business.
There are official terms for that and they're supposed to carry punishments.
@@RedStripeMedia I think an inquiry is required in light of that request (or was it a demand?).
Commyinterference
Nothing fishy at all going on. The FCC made it clear back in January that linking GMRS repeaters via the internet to relay voice communication is illegal. You can legally link your repeater to the internet for remote control, but not for relaying GMRS comms via the internet to other repeaters. The repeater custodian must have been aware of this and didn't want to be responsible for others breaking the rules on his machine. Don't shoot the messenger, I'm only sharing what I know about this.
@@richb.4374 We've all heard the same story. It still smells like the contact at the FCC is deviating from established procedure by handling this "buddy-buddy" and via email. As far back as I can remember, I've never heard of anything like it. It is distinctly "out of character" for the FCC.
Although I don't like the network being shut down I do (sort of) understand why GMRS repeater networks might be something the FCC would want to avoid. With a limited number of channels (and repeaters "overlapping" with the standard simplex channels) a large coverage network sort of closes off those channels for larger areas compared to a single repeater. A large radio club that wants to run a network with significant coverage is better suited to amateur radio, where this sort of thing is not only allowed but also quite common. But that does limit it to people willing to take the tests and get new radios.
Kind of a sucky situation all around.
Honestly, I really wish the FCC would make a few small changes that would make things a whole lot nicer for all of us.
1. Allow linked GMRS repeaters with some caveats. Given the limitations of the channels there definitely would need to be some sort of management, and I really have no idea how this might be done, but it would at least give groups like this an option.
2. For GMRS, eliminate the need for a callsign or registration when using simplex on an HT. It's basically FRS with *slightly* more power. A callsign should only be needed to use repeaters and to use more than 5W in my opinion.
3. Allow HAM radios to transmit on GMRS frequencies "legally" using a GMRS callsign as long as all GMRS limitations and rules are obeyed. I should be able to have one radio that does both and not rely on MARS mods, which "technically" are only usable in an emergency. If I go out for a hike with my family and we all have GMRS radios, I should be able to carry my HAM radio and use it for our GMRS communication and not need to carry two separate radios. (Of course, I might anyway for backup, but my point is that I shouldn't *need* to. 😁)
Which all begs the question: Doesn't the FCC & GOV have anything better to do?
EXACTLY! Sad hams attempting to take over GMRS, or Sad Hams wanting to force you into being a ham to enjoy your use, of your frequencies ... duh!
Amateur radio license doesn't grant you auto access to cb or to lmr or any other service. So not sure why you should be able to access gmrs.
I two hate carrying multiple radios. So currently running a harris xg100p so I can access, 2m, 70cm, 7/800 (as a scanner), as well as several lmr encrypted repeaters and gmrs if necessary. It is not type certified but just not completely frowned upon.
And the main reason I avoided adopting the thing, insufficient channels and restrictions.
They updated the rules with better language now. They're going to give the rest of them time to shut them down.
Randy, how are we supposed to know when the video is over if you don't have a Roger beep at the end of your transmission?
How are we supposed to know if the video is what..over?
@@Kosher_Slider Roger.
Shirley, this guy is not pres, under over....over¿
What is your vector, Victor?
@@not1word331 I picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue.
I graduated from the Walmart Legal University and got my master's from Arby's School for Constitutional Law.
And, I graduated 5th grade!
So I assume that you both are getting full student loan repayment.
i'd say your qualifications "trump" those of the present regime running the department of (in)justice.
Davey Crockett said that what made him a good magistrate was that he had never read a single page from a law book.
Now I want Arby's.
Thank you both, and best of luck to the club.
Thanks Randy, very professional interview by both of you.
I'm just here for the t-shirts...
Facts. My mommy keeps saying she'll order me one soon!
And the background posters.
I'm just here for the background screenshots
They’re like Easter eggs!
me too hahaha
It appears "Uncle Charlie" is starting to take notice. GMRS licensees are exploding right now so I guess they figure they better nip this in the bud now. As a group that has a local repeater my opinion is the linked systems should be examined. I can hear the same conversation on three different repeaters within my receive range on 3 different frequencies. They should either expand the frequencies that GMRS can use for repeaters and reveal what is and is not allowed on GMRS in terms of repeaters. Randy as always your show is worth the watch. Keep up the good work.
Thanks again for keeping us informed
Something smells fishy with the repeater custodian having a working relationship with the FCC agent.
Repeater custodian is a police officer
There's a good chance he's in broadcast or commercial communications and his income depends on a good working relationship with Uncle Charlie(The FCC).
@@512Colorado Yep I’m one of those…NYC and Philly broadcast Markets
Well shit... thanks to the commentators on this thread. Informative not politics bullshit.
interesting stuff, I only keep radios for emergency shituations...and well at work but we have encrypted channels there. here's a comment for interaction points
GOV does not want Citizens organizing for Self Defense, which begs the question, why?
Thank you President Carl
Isn't it wonderful to live in a country where an unconstitutional agency writes laws rather than congress? Not to mention that the system denies you trial by jury as guaranteed by the constitution.
I agree. BATF is a pain, but what do they have to do with this?
Maybe the recent smack down of the ATF on the bump stocks could be a basis for bringing a case against the FCC; The bump stock case was won specifically because the ATF changed the definition of a rule without Congressional approval.
@@grigorirasputin5020 Because of what I wrote below.
I mean, the FCC was created by Congress and empowered with regulation and enforcement authority. That kind of negates the "unconstitutional" business.
But more to the point - the rules aren't new, and there's plenty of legal options available for those wishing to do what was done here. This whole thing is so "I broke rules I knew about,but I'm still the victim".
An unconstitutional agency? Congress (you know, those guys in DC who make the laws?) passed the Communications Act of 1934 creating the Federal Communications Commission and charged them with overseeing and regulating telephone, telegraph and radio communications. Which part of that do you not understand?
I'll bet the FCCs agent did a lateral transfer from the A TEE EFF's group, and is looking for a new dog to kick.
Thanks for taking the extra step and getting the rest of the story. Subscribed.
Thanks for the interview Randy
Outstanding update! Thank you Randy for providing the opportunity to bring clarity to some of the important details surrounding this situation.
if is clear Carl Bourke (WRTE329) IS INFORMO!!!!!
Thank you for sharing with us O great one...
Thanks for doing this interview. Your interview questions were good. So many aspects remain suspect - the "working relationship" between the custodian and the FCC employee, unofficial notification that there was a potential rule violation, request for call signs. Why would someone with a substantial GMRS network just shut it down? Is there something illegal about connected repeaters?
Connecting repeaters the way these were connected, according to the FCC, violates FCC rules, as mentioned in this video and the previous referenced video.
@@TheNotaRubicon I'm not understanding what about the connection made the FCCs get mad at this repeater network, compared to other GMRS repeater networks. If you do a followup video on this and could find time to explain the illegality of the connection, I'd be grateful. Be sure to use short words and speak slowly for me ;-)
@@REXOB9 The FCC rules do not allow connecting GMRS repeaters to the internet. But the rule was written 50 years ago before the Internet even existed so the words are very confusing and normal people who speak normal english are not aware its illegal.
Where I live, we have a large GMRS network, and as of 6-17-2024, the FCC updated the part 95.1749 GMRS network connection and included "Or other networks" to this rule. Is it possible that his friend with the FCC was aware of this change and gave them a heads up? Guess we will have to wait and see. :(
Wrong. Nothing has changed. I have in front of me the rulemaking from 2017 in the Federal Register. I suggest you read and pay special attention to the word "however", as however is important to note. It reads:
§ 95.1749 GMRS network connection.
Operation of a GMRS station with a
telephone connection is prohibited, as
in § 95.349. GMRS repeater, base and
fixed stations, however, may be
connected to the public switched
network or other networks for the sole
purpose of operation by remote control
pursuant to § 95.1745.
Wonder how legal it is to give a heads up email to an associate,and if so why would they make it in writing and not just inform over a lunch date. Is there not a rule against information given on active investigation or does that not apply to minor stuff
@@rhyoliteaquacade correct.under95.1749 For the sole purpose of remote control. Not for linking repeaters together… linking repeaters together is considered a network hence not legal. I was at the fcc meeting in harrisbur*,PA And audio linking is the violation Period. All he had to do was disconnect the link and leave it as a stand alone repeater
@@cozy659 I was not at the Harrisburg meeting but viewed the video and nowhere did I hear FCC rendering any opinion on that matter. Provide a link. What I did hear was an FCC spokeswoman saying that staff opinions were not binding to rules.
@@rhyoliteaquacade To answer your question it begins with my friend asking the question on linking GMRS repeaters. And Al answers the question reading directly from the fcc rules. Starts at 1:12:40. You can use networks for remote controlO NLY. You cannot link to communicate.nthsts considered networking. I’m the guy front row infront of Al . II start at 1:18:30. My wife and are are both disabled with 2 small GMRS repeaters linked less than 13 miles apart using nanostations not even o the internet. Again he calls it networking under the rules it’s not legal period.i also brought up the NYC system that slams mine. Hence the reason for the two linked repeaters.. the discussion was also about the letter that went out a few years ago saying that linking was allowed. That letter was just an opinion of an fcc staffer it was NOT the rule… hence 95.1749 states or any other network” therefore linking of GMRS repeaters Is not legal. Unless the fcc changed that wording. Hope that explains it. Cannot be any more clearer.. good luck and no letter had to be sent to me to tell me stop linking. That in person luncheon was my warning.i happen to be a broadcast engineer. So yes I have a friendly connection on a first name basis with each of those fcc representives that were there due to my job.
Here is the video of that fcc luncheon
ua-cam.com/video/86FLGl_e5nw/v-deo.htmlsi=dfb71aLQt8MAkXfH
We will just have to stay on top of this to see if the FCC shuts down other repeaters
When you shroud something in secrecy refusing to say who owns and runs the repeater network who sent the email this is suspicious. Also fcc doesn’t make orders by email. Why was there not an actual enforcement mail
Kind of like when a cop you know gives you a warning and not a ticket?
They want to keep the sheeple on a tight leash
Thanks for going to the source and getting actual information out!
You ARE the man! Your humor is A+
Thank you so much for doing this video. Not sure where to go from here. Perhaps it's time to work with the government get the rules changed.
The problem as I see it is that setting up linked repeater networks require building skills and lots of channels. The GMRS service as defined by the FCC has neither. There are only 8 GMRS repeater channels and they can easily be filled up with linked repeaters broadcasting audio from users far away interfering with local users who want to use the channel. Also, GMRS licensees are not required to have any education in how to build or talk through a complicated linked repeater network. I'm guessing that the FCC will say "you want to build a complex linked repeater network? Great! That's what ham radio is for." My understanding is that GMRS is intended by the FCC to be a simple radio service with simple repeaters for people who just want to talk on the radio without learning all the technical details and taking a test.
Love the picture of Biden being a creep upper left hand corner
How DARE you sir! That is your President! Show some respect!
All three letter agencies need to be shut down
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My opinion - we have only 8 repeater pairs. When these systems usurp several pairs for one guy talking to his buddy, it prevents the intended frequency usage in local areas.
As the great Jim Croce once said. New York's Not My Home.
Great video, thanks for digging in to this event.
Thank YOU!
NYC has switched the NYPD communications to digital comms . ( media ) if I’m not mistaken tried to raise an issue about this . The city’s response was that there are apps that will provide info/ comms on a delay . I have been using a scanner for years to listen to the disfunctional organization and now it’s silence.
*They're cutting the only alternative lines of communications in case of a disaster or armed conflict in that region. The question is, why now?*
Not so! Internet linking would be among the first things to go in a SHTF scenario. All this does is free up those limited 8 pairs and 50W simplex channels for local area use, GMRS' intended purpose. Hearing ratchet jaws blathering about nothing on the other side of the state or the nation is not conducive to local area comms.
If it comes to shtf, the rules won't matter.
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True!
A Sad Ham probably sent a letter to the FCC.
This is right from Part 95.1749 "You cannot directly interconnect a GMRS station with the telephone network or any other network for the purpose of carrying GMRS communications, but these networks can be used for remote control of repeater stations." This is most likely why your network was shut down. The FCC "clarified" this rule back at the beginning of this year during a meeting with the ARRL. The meeting can be found here for those willing to listen to a boring hour of radio geek BS. ua-cam.com/video/86FLGl_e5nw/v-deo.html
@@craigdavidson2977 Thanks for pointing out my error, I edited my post.
Correct. No linking at all period not RF , not internet I was at that meeting in Harrisburg.
Interesting that he brought up rebroadcasting police frequencies. If someone did that on the repeater network, that's probably enough to get it brought down. If the custodian had a deal with their club, they may have had deals with other clubs. Someone was fucking around on there. lol
Well, Someone on my Zello Channel made that claim the day after it shut down. The user was from New York. It was also posted on Facebook. I have no proof this is true and I regret posting about it with no evidence to back up that claim. . I just wanted everyone to know what I was being told. I did heard it from 3 different users that day but that still isn't proof that this was going on. I wish I never posted it online however.
Some goofball with no creds or evidence said that in a YT reply, but that doesn't mean it happened. People imagine sh all the time that never happened.
How could you possibly be responsible for your user's actions? You cannot control what is transmitted on frequencies that are allowed to be used by other licensed users. If this were the case, we would have no repeaters in Los Angeles because all I hear is jamming and music on the ones nobody uses.
@@randykitchleburger2780 During this conversation with Randy we didn't get the details on how the system was actually linked.
I’m wondering if this is connected to the fact that this is a simulcast system and not a traditional RF inked repeater. If so it is likely lined with a service outside of part 95e which would be a problem.
Many of us who interact with the FCC regularly will receive an email or phone call if there is a an issue as all they are interested in is resolving the issue. If the initial contact fixes it then everyone is saved the headache of getting the enforcement department involved.
On a side note, many of us who pay our bills with this stuff have long thought that linking GMRS via the internet and allowing access to the system via ZELLO is a violation of 95.1749 prohibiting interconnect with a telephone. Personally I could care less, but this is the same rule that prohibited phone patches on GMRS. That said, other groups may be contacted soon if this issue has made it to the commission’s radar…
All that said WTF is pres potato head doing in the picture behind you? I’m pretty sure public isn’t the place for that sort of stuff…
Fcc part 95 generally refers to harmful transmissions such as fake distress calls, inappropriate language and such. Unfortunately many "family Radio Service" radios also cover GMRS frequencies at higher power, and as it often is the case, unlicensed entities who have little understanding of the license requirements often will choose the GMRS frequencies because of the higher power and range. I blame manufacturers for this for misleading the public on transmission powers in confusing ways. I am a HAM operator KB8YRI and remember a cell company at one time imported cell phones with "walkie talkie" capabilities on the 2 meter band. They were trying to sell them under a Nextel type radio cell system. Fortunately the imports were stopped and the few cells sold were recalled. I hope the owner/manager of the linked repeater system for GMRS is able to resolve any issues, as like HAM radio, GMRS is very useful during disaster and large events. Best wishes for your club!
LOL Walmart and Arby's I'm dead 😆
I saw and agree... you should call it "The Rubicon Report"
I am an EXPERT and in my EXPERT opinion I just don’t know. 😊
Is there even a point to getting a radio license from the fcc? I was studying to get my technician license, is their even a point to continue.
hey man, have you considered also putting your content on spotify? i would consider it, incase youtube pulls the plug, you have a ton of good stuff
Why does Carl have so many doors behind him.
To store all his Baofengs
He's into repeaters
Maybe a game show?
planned escape routes for when feds come knocking. You saw what they did to that guy in Georgia, can you imagine what they'd do in NY. Oh my, going to need more flash bangs, emp devices and wire snips. FCC agents on a tear, need some headlines for that new budget proposal. Lets Go.
He are inside the Matrix!
Zello is no real RF Radio 😮!
Great for phone chats. .
Looks like linked Networks are out the question to FCC now.
Connect your GMRS Repeaters at good high locations at 50 ft and call it a day. Let's get radio club repeater active cause GMRS on simplex dong work as good with target & Walmart using them freqs.
UHF is not hard to connect
up as a repeater pair with CW station ID .
Sounds like the Government keeping track of it's Herd
I believe if this GMRS club had the financial resources, they should have hired an attorney. Now with their refusal to provide member’s Call Sign information as requested by the FCC, this matter won’t be going away any time soon.
I see this becoming a court action, shortly.
The problem with the FCC getting the call signs of the users, If the FCC really wants to get nasty about it, if you have used one of the linked machines that constitutes you using an ilegally linked system, they could institute enforcement actions against the individual users, I sort of understand their reasoning, GMRS was designed for short distance communications not state or nation wide.
Please keep us updated on developments.
So, the email was just a "phone-a-friend" between two people who knew each other. That's good to know.
It makes the request for a list of call signs a little creepy.
When Feds, state, county, & local LEO "request" information they're on a fishing expedition.
If they had a warrant they'd knock down your door and take what they want.
I would retain an attorney immediately.
I'd also comply with the request to shut down immediately.
I would request a paper copy of the shutdown order and turn a copy over to my attorney. The attorney would likely ask for that.
Without an actual warrant I wouldn't turn over any "requested" information without direction from my attorney to do so.
It would be worth knowing what brought the repeater network to the Feds attention so that others can avoid similar Imperial entanglements.
"friendly heads up" and "give me your member info" are mutually exclusive. this is not the whole story.
Yeah this is the glaring red flag.
Yeah that moves this from weird to possibly illegal communications.
Nicely Done! Good interview and info. This vid is a great example of meaningful content and helpful to the GMRS crowd. Thx for your efforts!
I'm a little confused on this being that I'm on a Simulcast system everyday
We have a linked system in my area, and one guy is upset about it and threatening notifying thr e FCC. I think the problem is that internet linking technically uses part of the existing phone lines. Gray area. Wish they would let it be. It's usually one channel, and people can leave it out of their scan, if they don't want to hear too much activity.
On GMRS with only 8 repeater pairs, the practice of linking and only caring about their paying club members is inconsiderate of others wanting to put up small community repeaters.
What a freaking crap sandwich. I purchased a couple GMRS radios in the spring. I wanted to establish links to an alternate communication vehicle. I signed up to be part of a repeater network. All good.
Now the FCC shuts it down.
I guess I better move the contraband from my underwear drawer.
I felt the same way when I had a cable de-scrambler. Jeez, I just spent this money to steal cable and then they shut it down. What a bunch of crap.
Not seeing the relevance gunner. Transmitting over radio waves isn’t theft.
@@timnewton9888 My point is that you spend money to do something that you aren't supposed to do and then complain when you can't. It really doesn't matter if you didn't know at the time whether it was 'legal' or not. I get that it is frustrating, but that's life.
I’m pretty sure Randy could appreciate this text chain.
I didn’t do anything illegal. I bought radios. I got a license from the FCC. I listened to chatter over a repeater network. Even if I wanted to communicate I couldn’t bc I have a five watt handheld GMRS device and the repeater is some 40 miles distant. Please don’t suggest I have somehow broken a law. I’m not as nice as Randy.
You might want to stick to haranguing what few friends you have left.
The FCC amateur radio service allows repeaters to be interlinked.
I am willing to bet that a sad HAM is behind this.
Spectrum is a shared, limited resource. Only one person can transmit on a channel at a time in a given geographic area. Two people can use the same channel if they are far enough apart. More power means they would have to be farther apart. A repeater can dominate a ~50 mile radius. A linked repeater system means an individual can key their transmitter and take over that channel for hundreds of miles -- no one else can use that channel while his radio is transmitting. It's not hard to see the possibilities for abuse.
Geographic sharing of RF spectrum is a part of Frequency Planning which is implemented by FCC rulemaking. Large area networks could be a great communications tool They could also be rendered useless by one individual.
AMEN
There had to be a sad ham involved…
There are over 50 active thriving gmrs licensed linked networks in the contiguous lower 48. Exciting times. Moral of this story for me has been that you can’t always trust your outsourced tech. I sure hope these Eastern Section radio enthusiasts get this all worked out again with an even better solution.
Dear Sir. English is not my mother tongue, so please excuse me if I do not understand your message 100 %.
However, it seems to me - in my country anyway - that it is not always the persons with the lowest educational degrees that speaks/writes the dumbest or are the most intelligence challenged persons.
In many ways the most non-intelligent and dangerous persons Can be found amongst the legislative population of a country.
I know because my life was immensely affected by Them.
Thank you for your channel, I wish you lived in my country or I in yours, so we could have a cold one some time.
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I get some of the reasons why folks prefer GMRS over Amateur Radio. That said, Ham repeaters have been using voters, linked systems, and many different flavors of systems linked over the internet world wide, including Allstar, Echolink, GMR, Fusion, D-Star and others.
There are dozens of online classes available for folks to get educated to pass the FCC Amateur Radio test. The entire question and answer pool are also available. Since this gentleman is in Rochester, NY he likely aware of the Rochester Amateur Radio Association, one of the biggest and most active clubs in the USA. They could assist him and his members in getting licensed.
In less time than it would take to rebuild a network of GMRS repeaters, which apparently isn't legal under FCC rules, he could pivot to Ham Radio and get 90% to 95% of his members licensed as Technician Ham radio operators. They would have access to hundreds of repeaters in NY state and many thousands in the USA, Canada, and world wide.
I wish him luck in whichever way he goes.
Maybe they could be investigating someone for some other reason and noticed they were an operator on this system and they're just using this as a way to get some information on this person?
Part
47 CFR § 95.1733 - Prohibited GMRS uses.
CFR
§ 95.1733 Prohibited GMRS uses.
(a) In addition to the prohibited uses outlined in § 95.333 of this chapter, GMRS stations must not communicate:
(8) Messages which are both conveyed by a wireline control link and transmitted by a GMRS station;
This is not an fcc conspiracy please read my comment so you have the information. It's a fine case of who's antenna is bigger in the soap opera that is as the gmrs repeater turns. As far as Texas not caring about what happens in ny I can understand but also understand that the upstaters are far far different the the hokul crew in the east and lower side of the state wish we could split off at the mountains and leave them to their democratic eutopia.
Too early for a pin of shame. I'll check back....now.
One thing that wasn't addressed that I would like to know is how was the linking done? I mean was it over a mofied version of Allstar over the Internet? Was it connected over the phone?
It doesn't matter. "or other networks" in 95.1749 pretty much covers it all.
Bravo Zulu on that interview
I'll take door number 3 Monty!
Did Biden grab another lady today?
Wasnt grabbing em by the pu** a trump thing?
Your momma?
@@sbc383zz only if your mom's 12
Photoshopped....
Nice video Randy. Strange that the FCC has nothing better to do with our tax monies.
Looks to me like they are finally doing their job and enforcing the rules as originally intended.
Another great video! Thanks for the update. Can you explain how you rigged all those HT's behind you to light up?
My question was the “club” a paid membership club no particular reason I’m just curious
Is the FBI now going to get a warrant for everyone who watched this video? LOL
You and I have the same T-shirt. Love your stuff.
Linked repeaters are legal IF you have the correct license and documentation. I was a club president 'somewhere in zero land' and we did it quite often.
Nobody said linked repeaters are not legal.. They said they are not 'legal' on GMRS and any other "correct license" would not be a GMRS license. How much for a Classic Beef 'N Cheddar these days?
@@TheNotaRubicon 100% correct. GMRS only has like 8 repeater pairs. Awhile back I was trying to use local GMRS repeater which was linked to pass some Skywarn local wx info when 2 farmers' (Nebraska and Iowa) where talking farming and wouldn't yield because it didn't effect them.
Want to link repeaters? Get your ham license where there are hundreds of repeater pairs
Several days ago, when Uncle Randy posted on this issue, the first thought I had was… Dear FCC, the network will be shut down by (such date), AND network will return to operations by (set date) if the FCC fails to detail what the issue is. Have a nice day.
@molsaharpool2242:
You'd probably receive a note (on FCC letterhead), with a citation of the Part 95 rule prohibiting the linking of GMRS repeaters to each
other for the purpose of conveying voice communications.
But I could be mistaken.
Us Ham Radio Operaters still have Most of Our Reaters!
I find it funny that there are clubs for people to speak on the radio. Throw all that shit out the window and just talk like a normal human. Try it. Some interesting free speaking conversations. No license needed on any frequency. If you fake it right.
It’s not so much joining a club to speak on the frequencies as it is a pooling of resources to fund the repeaters, which are rather expensive.
I'm thinking the cell phone companies are referring to have these repeaters shut down cuz they have a lot of money invested in selling plans
The FCC's would not send you an email for a cease and desist. They would send you ground mail and/or visit you personally.
Don't fall for the dumb's, America.
Did you not watch the video? The email was a known contact and a “heads up” not an official action.
What can I say but, FJB!
Ty.. so is Zello connected to gmrs frowned on?
I live in ny,beautiful state by not free,this smells horrible after hearing they want a list of users,no way,make them take you to court for it,job or no job.
Its like driving down the freeway and CHP pulls over the blue car for speeding, others are also speeding but he chose the Blue Car, its called the Selective enforcement. Next time it maybe the Green Car. Clearly the system is in violation of Part 95 Rules and Enforcement has to start somewhere, low hanging fruit is the probability. He should be grateful for the "Hey Knock that Off" before being cited and potentially receiving a Show Cause and possibly impacting his other licenses such as a GROL or Amateur. If you work in the Communications Industry, high probability you know the Rules. Sure you might get away with violating a Rule such as RoIP linking Part 95 GMRS for awhile, then when you get nicked don''t cry, you knew better. Like them or not, the FCC has a huge job and while you or others may see this as a Nothing Burger, this is their job to enforce the communications act and its parts relating to the various services. Be glad he's a friend, not that all the exposure to this has occurred, the Enforcement Bureau doesn't like this kind of stuff, they are usually very tight lipped. The Agent may get his hand slapped and relationship tarnished. Lets hope not, most of the Agents I work with are great guys but professional.
The GMRS was not intended to be a hobbyist radio service. There are 8 pairs. When you simulcast them, you are hoarding them. You need to share very few frequencies. Move to the ham band if you want to do that stuff.
I agree its a big problem when a linked repeater network broadcasts a GMRS conversation over other frequencies where no one is listening but because the repeater is broadcasting the local users can't use that channel.
@@craigdavidson2977 I'm all for linking repeaters just do it on the ham bands where there are many more frequencies and it's generally implied that people want to talk to one another. Not always the case obvs but more so than the family farm operation that is trying to corral the loose cattle etc.
"Advanced Sardonic Studies"??? I'm glad I wasn't drinking anything or I would have spewed it all over my computer!
This is why you were never taught the 6th plank of the Communist manifesto.....because the FCC was its implementation in the USA!!
Well, I do like Arby's jamocha shakes and curly fries...
In the name of public safety, GMRS repeaters should have the legal ability to link. This should be directed to the area Senator for review. The unnamed FCC rep who emailed, may now find himself in political quicksand.
The email reply to clearly stated 'FSeeSee'
there's a large interlinked repeater system in Georgia tenn Alabama area that I know of. Hopes that doesn't get kicked off line,
I bet there are a lot who hope it is.
Interesting interview
Still not clear what the FCC said in the letter was the problem?
The repeater network was linking voice over the internet when the long existing FCC rules say only remote control is allowed over the internet. If you watch randy's video again you will see the rules being violated are clearly identified.
of course he does not want to give out the list, cause they were all involved in stuff they should not be doing
Guarantee you there's a sad ham at the bottom of this.
If you want to link repeaters, get a ham license and use ham frequencies. Problem solved.
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Not much interest in the HAM side and social seen. GMRS is where its at, useful, easy, fun and better social seen. It is a good thing for folks to have fall back communications such as CB, GMRS, zelle without the overhead of HAM.
@@agrahazlthe social side is what you make of it. If you get a good group of people to get licensed you can just ignore the sad hams. I am 37 and have been licensed for 20 years. I talk to my friends on the radio and ignore the sad hams all the time.
@@agrahazl
GMRS is supposed to be about allowing local area (5, 10, 25, 100+ miles or more depending on terrain and setup) comms between family, friends, and others. It is not there so people who are too lazy to spend a few hours studying to get their ham license can pretend to be hams and talk over a network that uses the same technology as their cell phone, to people all over the country or the state, tying up multiple scarce GMRS pairs.
@@agrahazl Ham is fun and the Technician License is easy to obtain.
This Channel is awesome both for technical detail but just as much the “entertainment”. I wish Randy was my neighbor !!