dont understand why people are hating this display. better having a slightly bigger screen with navigation functionality instead of having to put your phone every time on the bars
Given KTM’s recent challenges I think they need to be more price competitive and as a sign of goodwill drop the Try before you Buy features and just bundle those with the standard bike. They need to win back some credibility.
Its good to see the got rid of the cutouts in the head and valve cover for the cams, this should have been done a long time ago. That seal likes to leak. I have a 2020 890 R and the valve cover gasket has been replaced and still leaks a little bit. Say what you will, I have had my bike on the dyno and I was impressed with my numbers. This was just one time with 3 runs and could have varied with more runs but I turned 126 hp and 76 lbs to the wheel and its amazing.
Love that screen… very practical if you can split the screen between navigation and riding info. Hopefully with all the reliability issues KTM have been exposed for, they will now support their customers better with this bike.
That seems like a change in philosophy for rear suspension on a street bike. I like the exhaust routing. The whole design looks like it would make a good scrambler with maybe good rider comfort.
Ahoooj, letos jsem jsi koupili duka 990 tzn 2024 a mám na nem nalitano 5tis km a zatím klape skvěle, jedine co jsem si nechal poladit je quickshifter na 5 a 6 uz nechtěl kopat.... techpack a trackpak jsem mel k moto gratis. Za mě super lehka a zábavná motorka na ktere se skvěle sedí, měřím 186cm
I swear motobobs channel is a perfect example of motorcycle content stagnation: a guy reading spec sheets from a brand who just bumps up capacity every few years and calls it an update while not addressing reliability issues. Amazing.
Since brand new bikes are getting quite of a luxury item these days that people with normal wages can not really afford anymore and bike manufacturers and stores are shooting them self's in the foot right now because these insanely high prices are making a HUGE drop in bike sales, It would not surprise me if this 990 DUKE R would cost over 17 000€ brand new =( Maybe in 5 years you could buy it used for closer to 10 000€ but until then a Duke 890 R used will be the way to go sadly
So...the new look is a vast improvement over the standard 990 Duke. I was quite underwhelmed when I saw that bike in the flesh - all that matt black on the engine, frame ,seat, tank; it was way too monochrome. The use of an orange frame and white side panel really makes the bike pop, IMO. But it won't get much traction in the market until KTM fix the mechanical and PR disaster of the cams etc; so far 0 out of 10 for honesty and customer engagement. And with bikes like the MT-09 coming in A$ 3-5 K cheaper they won't sell many in Aus. And to take up on cornelliushoffman below, "Who is this bike for"..... not many riders downunder.
@@fearme46 Don't get me wrong, I like the Duke and Duke R line, but the Super Motard thing has never really taken off in Aus, at least not in Victoria. Have a look at BikeSales and there are plenty of 890 and 990 Dukes still in the dealers showrooms. Yes there are plenty of 390's around and some big V twins, but I only very rarely see a Duke. With the list price of the 990 at just over A$20K the R will probably have a list price of A$22+, which is more than A$4K over the Yamaha MT-09-SP. On top of that there are the camshaft issues widely publicised but not acknowledged by KTM. Finally, the Duke R is being promoted as a track focused, pants on fire weapon. While I would love to have all the nice bits on a bike in my garage the reality of a combination of price, zero tolerance law enforcement, and the lingering smell of reliability issues is going to make it hard to sell the 990 R to any but a handful of KTM die hards, track day warriors, or wealthy individuals lucky enough to put one in their games rooms.
@ respectfully, the Duke isn’t a super motord, it’s a naked. They are nothing alike and, the naked bike thing is massively popular. You say you don’t understand who this bike is for? Yet you just named KTM die hards, track day warriors and wealthy individuals? You literally just described thousands of customers… I think people need a break from the comment section and get out in the real world. Just cause the keyboard warriors here can’t afford one of these doesn’t mean thousands of people can’t. I’m from Victoria and see Dukes all the time. Now I definitely understand what you’re saying about their recent reliability issues and maybe some people skip out on this model and go straight up to the 1390 but, this bike most definitely has a market.
Massive, expensive TFT screens on track focussed bikes? Replacement cost for that after a crash would be huge. Why does everyone want a stupid iPad for a dash it looks shit
At this rate If Any Dealers still exist, then someone is going to have a bike that look just like all the others ! P&H Crawley Gone .. where are you soon apart from online to look .. as for test rides you'll need a few days trip to arrange that 1hr test ride 🧐
have I not seen duke 890r's for sale 23 model for like under ten grand? all due no doubt to the cam issue, that's the one I'd buy..I've got a 22 model, but I paid full whack twelve and a half..well pissed off..Great bike though..cams allowing. I certainly wouldn't pay for a new 990 though, just silly money
Bottom line is the price has jumped and the reliability and trust has tanked. Sad story that doesn't end well. I don't even think I've seen a 990 riding around.
I am currently owning my 7th Ktm. And besides 1 slave master (that I was planning on replacing with a Oberon anyways) I have NEVER had any issue with any of them
where do you supposed to ride these bikes ? track? who is the audience ? i cant see older guys will be wanting it and it will be too expensive for younger crowd . So who is this bike for ? STIFF? in UK roads ?
I’m 52. Been riding bikes for 40 years. Every type of bike. The standard 990 and new 1390 are the two standout best (road) bikes I’ve ever ridden. I’ve been waiting for this R model! I’ll ride it to work. And on the weekend between cafe rides, motard, motocross, enduro and other stuff on my other bikes. Admittedly I don’t live in England anymore, and it’ll be on Aussie roads and tracks!
Ummm.... Z900SE MT-09SP 765RS Ducati Monster Ducati's new 890 V-twin with VVT engine just released MV Agusta Brutale RR CB1000R Why did Yamaha put out an MT-09SP model when they were already launching an R9? Same deal.
Same LC8c base engine = small chance overhead cams are toast at 12k miles. Why take the risk when they still haven't officially admitted to the problem on older models? And their customer service has a long way to go... It is a shame, because it is looks like good spec bike..
@@kitperry777 790s and 890s are affected, i've heard no complaints with the 990s. Even though they are non committal about the cams, KTM definitely won't repeat the mistake with newer products.
@kitperry777 are there a lot of 2023/2024 owners that have actually reached the mileage that this shows up at? Gotta be a very small number who've even ridden enough miles on a newer model to truly see if it's still a problem.
Hey look! An updated motorcycle! What did they do? Added tech amenities. Added power. Oh..... the two most tired methods of motorcycle brands for the last 20 years.
Honestly I’ve liked everything what they have done in recent years, but unfortunately I’m not liking the new tft, hell No the aspect ratio it terrible 😢
Hornet is in the 140-ish horsepower range. Stop comparing bikes from other categories. It's not like the Z900 and GSX-S1000 haven't been sitting here for years, and no one was talking about them.
Yes go buy this more expensive version to find out that all your engine is ruined and you've lost even more money. Who cares about brakes when the bike is going to the scrapyard?
The display has a weird ratio. Maybe it makes sense as a dashboard, but not for showing maps and directions on it... if that's possible. Also, that insect face is getting more horrible with every iteration.
For that sort of price you can get an MT10 an S1000R and even the superb Aprilia Tuono 1100 V4 non factory.
dont understand why people are hating this display. better having a slightly bigger screen with navigation functionality instead of having to put your phone every time on the bars
With android auto connection your are right.
@ I hope this is the way they went! Because I don‘t think some self made solutions are going to work that well😬
Given KTM’s recent challenges I think they need to be more price competitive and as a sign of goodwill drop the Try before you Buy features and just bundle those with the standard bike. They need to win back some credibility.
Agreed but you know they won't, I expect this bike to be ridiculously priced
@@mrmeeks222 and expect it to sell well
With KTM i’d wait till the end of the model year for owner’s reliability info, and there are always left overs at deep discounts.
YUGE SCREEN! Doubles as a laptop for moto vlogging!
A cinema screen for a dash is mad
Literally 4 seconds into the video before we got an "and look"
Its good to see the got rid of the cutouts in the head and valve cover for the cams, this should have been done a long time ago. That seal likes to leak. I have a 2020 890 R and the valve cover gasket has been replaced and still leaks a little bit. Say what you will, I have had my bike on the dyno and I was impressed with my numbers. This was just one time with 3 runs and could have varied with more runs but I turned 126 hp and 76 lbs to the wheel and its amazing.
Punisher of Cams 💀
As an owner of duke 890 I really don't recommend buying ktm... I had some many problems with it. Cost me thousands of $ to fix the damn thing...
U got the cheese camshaft too ?
Be more specific?
320 mm rotors on the front for the R version then. The regular 990 has smaller rotors at 300mm.
Love that screen… very practical if you can split the screen between navigation and riding info. Hopefully with all the reliability issues KTM have been exposed for, they will now support their customers better with this bike.
Will it be reliable? 😮
Needs a cowl to cover up the front of the HUGE speedo display.
1 camshaft every 6k miles as regular maintenance
Aftermarket will sort that out
Probably get a sunburn on the face if the thing is in full brightness.
Hornet SP £10G!!!
MT09 SP
Characterful. Hornet lacks it.
Yeah that bike has made a lot of other bikes not make much sense financially.
Hornet for sure 🤟
@@titancodm1098How do you know?
That seems like a change in philosophy for rear suspension on a street bike. I like the exhaust routing. The whole design looks like it would make a good scrambler with maybe good rider comfort.
Camshafts still made from chinesium?
Bro, these comments are so cringe now. At least be clever about it.
More like made in Austria.
Poor heat treatment. Poor surface finish. Insufficient lubrication.
nope, they fixed that just recently.
I have my fingers crossed for the 990 SMT.... lets hope it comes for 2025...
Ahoooj, letos jsem jsi koupili duka 990 tzn 2024 a mám na nem nalitano 5tis km a zatím klape skvěle, jedine co jsem si nechal poladit je quickshifter na 5 a 6 uz nechtěl kopat.... techpack a trackpak jsem mel k moto gratis. Za mě super lehka a zábavná motorka na ktere se skvěle sedí, měřím 186cm
I’m only interested in what Honda have new for 2025
Around the same price as the new updated BMW S1000r. I know what I would buy. 🤔 BMW all day long.
Do you konw 2023 1290sdr price in china now? only 15000£
Their previous screen was way too small. I’d take the slight hit to the looks for the massive gains in functionality.
So fvcking bad ass🤙🏼 This thing laughs at 600’s all day. “Supersport” hahaha🤣
???
I swear motobobs channel is a perfect example of motorcycle content stagnation: a guy reading spec sheets from a brand who just bumps up capacity every few years and calls it an update while not addressing reliability issues. Amazing.
Well and still you’re here watching and commenting
I'm just here for the camments ... Hahahahah.
well, you forgot the weight. these 10kg+ makes an easy choice for me ...
But will the cams eat themselves?
Since brand new bikes are getting quite of a luxury item these days that people with normal wages can not really afford anymore and bike manufacturers and stores are shooting them self's in the foot right now because these insanely high prices are making a HUGE drop in bike sales, It would not surprise me if this 990 DUKE R would cost over 17 000€ brand new =(
Maybe in 5 years you could buy it used for closer to 10 000€ but until then a Duke 890 R used will be the way to go sadly
I’ll take a 765RS before this…
Higher quality, same track-ability, more road usability, less expensive, same power (less torque).
So...the new look is a vast improvement over the standard 990 Duke. I was quite underwhelmed when I saw that bike in the flesh - all that matt black on the engine, frame ,seat, tank; it was way too monochrome. The use of an orange frame and white side panel really makes the bike pop, IMO. But it won't get much traction in the market until KTM fix the mechanical and PR disaster of the cams etc; so far 0 out of 10 for honesty and customer engagement. And with bikes like the MT-09 coming in A$ 3-5 K cheaper they won't sell many in Aus. And to take up on cornelliushoffman below, "Who is this bike for"..... not many riders downunder.
Why would the price affect Australian consumers? I see KTMs everywhere here, what do you mean “who is this for?”
@@fearme46 Don't get me wrong, I like the Duke and Duke R line, but the Super Motard thing has never really taken off in Aus, at least not in Victoria. Have a look at BikeSales and there are plenty of 890 and 990 Dukes still in the dealers showrooms. Yes there are plenty of 390's around and some big V twins, but I only very rarely see a Duke. With the list price of the 990 at just over A$20K the R will probably have a list price of A$22+, which is more than A$4K over the Yamaha MT-09-SP. On top of that there are the camshaft issues widely publicised but not acknowledged by KTM. Finally, the Duke R is being promoted as a track focused, pants on fire weapon. While I would love to have all the nice bits on a bike in my garage the reality of a combination of price, zero tolerance law enforcement, and the lingering smell of reliability issues is going to make it hard to sell the 990 R to any but a handful of KTM die hards, track day warriors, or wealthy individuals lucky enough to put one in their games rooms.
@ respectfully, the Duke isn’t a super motord, it’s a naked. They are nothing alike and, the naked bike thing is massively popular. You say you don’t understand who this bike is for? Yet you just named KTM die hards, track day warriors and wealthy individuals? You literally just described thousands of customers…
I think people need a break from the comment section and get out in the real world. Just cause the keyboard warriors here can’t afford one of these doesn’t mean thousands of people can’t. I’m from Victoria and see Dukes all the time. Now I definitely understand what you’re saying about their recent reliability issues and maybe some people skip out on this model and go straight up to the 1390 but, this bike most definitely has a market.
The lack of clarity about the cam situation is a deal breaker for me. Looks like an awesome bike otherwise.
Massive, expensive TFT screens on track focussed bikes? Replacement cost for that after a crash would be huge. Why does everyone want a stupid iPad for a dash it looks shit
At this rate If Any Dealers still exist, then someone is going to have a bike that look just like all the others !
P&H Crawley Gone .. where are you soon apart from online to look .. as for test rides you'll need a few days trip to arrange that 1hr test ride 🧐
Ready to repair 😂
Exactly, just got my ktm serviced, had breaking issues and oil leaking. Service cost me 2500 US$ ... Never buying ktm again
@FrenchyRider574 Désolé pour toi, c'est vraiment décevant.
Gonna be hard for ktm to sell this, since the 765 rs is probably just as capable yet cheaper.
Buy your extended warranties everyone 😅
have I not seen duke 890r's for sale 23 model for like under ten grand? all due no doubt to the cam issue, that's the one I'd buy..I've got a 22 model, but I paid full whack twelve and a half..well pissed off..Great bike though..cams allowing. I certainly wouldn't pay for a new 990 though, just silly money
For this kind of bike the TFT screen is too big.
Bottom line is the price has jumped and the reliability and trust has tanked. Sad story that doesn't end well. I don't even think I've seen a 990 riding around.
I am currently owning my 7th Ktm. And besides 1 slave master (that I was planning on replacing with a Oberon anyways) I have NEVER had any issue with any of them
@@Toxicdemon2lmao
@@valeblizI’m gonna go out on a limb and say the guy using “lmao” doesn’t even own a bike…
Unfortunately many of us KTM owners have @@Toxicdemon2
Yamaha and Kawasaki are calling for your money.
Hornet 1000 SP 100%
Have they fixed the cam shaft issues?
where do you supposed to ride these bikes ? track? who is the audience ? i cant see older guys will be wanting it and it will be too expensive for younger crowd . So who is this bike for ? STIFF? in UK roads ?
I’m 52. Been riding bikes for 40 years. Every type of bike. The standard 990 and new 1390 are the two standout best (road) bikes I’ve ever ridden. I’ve been waiting for this R model! I’ll ride it to work. And on the weekend between cafe rides, motard, motocross, enduro and other stuff on my other bikes. Admittedly I don’t live in England anymore, and it’ll be on Aussie roads and tracks!
@@Therealmotardman riding a duke R to work sounds like a pitiful experience tbh.
Why on earth they need a naked track bike when they are about to launch the RC9R...🤕🤕🥴🥴🥴
Ummm....
Z900SE
MT-09SP
765RS
Ducati Monster
Ducati's new 890 V-twin with VVT engine just released
MV Agusta Brutale RR
CB1000R
Why did Yamaha put out an MT-09SP model when they were already launching an R9? Same deal.
Can it.......hold on.....one second...wheelie? You knew that was coming dont lie...lol
Wow what a difference... N O T !
Same LC8c base engine = small chance overhead cams are toast at 12k miles. Why take the risk when they still haven't officially admitted to the problem on older models? And their customer service has a long way to go...
It is a shame, because it is looks like good spec bike..
Didn't KTM say this problem has been addressed and no longer an issue on new models!
They admitted the problem, only stated that it's a small percentage
@@churchofbrap876 they said that but people with the 890 are still reporting the same problems..
@@kitperry777 790s and 890s are affected, i've heard no complaints with the 990s. Even though they are non committal about the cams, KTM definitely won't repeat the mistake with newer products.
@kitperry777 are there a lot of 2023/2024 owners that have actually reached the mileage that this shows up at? Gotta be a very small number who've even ridden enough miles on a newer model to truly see if it's still a problem.
15k plus 1k for the teck pack 😢
Are you watching Yamaha re: R9?
990 Duke represents everything the Yamaha isn’t…?
Reliability?
@@chriswest2290 Or lack of...
Unreliably way more fun
@ehiggins7476 not my idea of fun 😂
Clothing on the Duke: RC9R
This is what we were waiting for the R version, it's probably going to be proper street and track monster ❤❤❤.
Love it
Now RC990 for the road😂,🤟🤟
KTM will kill itself
Did KTM outline what brand of chewing gum they’re making their new 990s engine internals out of as well?
Hey look! An updated motorcycle! What did they do?
Added tech amenities.
Added power.
Oh..... the two most tired methods of motorcycle brands for the last 20 years.
New for 2025, not just 💩cams, but 💩 valves too now!
Cheesy top end?
Honestly I’ve liked everything what they have done in recent years, but unfortunately I’m not liking the new tft, hell No the aspect ratio it terrible 😢
That screen is too big
900ish? That’s a full liter engine.
First they cri that the dash is to sm-all and now its to big? HOW GOOD ARE THE CAMS MATE? I think that's the question you should ask.
Paint job is a bit of a mess, looks like they took bodywork from three different coloured bikes!
what have they done to the duke range, hahahah
Overpriced , questionable engine and electrical reliability. No thanks .
Hornet willn destry this
Hornet is in the 140-ish horsepower range. Stop comparing bikes from other categories. It's not like the Z900 and GSX-S1000 haven't been sitting here for years, and no one was talking about them.
I wouldn't touch a KTM parallel twin until there is substantial evidence (lots of owners with > 20K miles) that the chesse cam issue has been solved.
KTM's are just too expensive now, even before the extra for the software. And what about the unreliability issues? Still no real explanation from KTM.
Extra dark chocolate cams? Damn i kinda want a Duke, but don't trust these bikes.
*NEVER EVER BUY A KTM* as long as it's under the Pierer Mobity AG.
KTM lost my custom with the &90/890 warranty scandal and the manufacturing move to china. And the over pricing.. Hard pass.
Yes go buy this more expensive version to find out that all your engine is ruined and you've lost even more money. Who cares about brakes when the bike is going to the scrapyard?
Sorry KTM!....I wouldn't buy one just because of that awful plastic headlight, just like the 990 & the Superduke....get rid of the damn thing.
Should be good for 12k miles 😅
It’s hilarious listening to all the clowns complaining about the cams and price like they could ever afford it anyway 🤡
Ugly, and un reliable.. Well done ktm😂
The display has a weird ratio. Maybe it makes sense as a dashboard, but not for showing maps and directions on it... if that's possible. Also, that insect face is getting more horrible with every iteration.
i hope i dont eat my words in the future, but I wouldn't buy a naked bike with that huge screen. it really feels out of place.
NOBODY NEEDS THIS !!!!
😂😊
1 camshaft every 10000 kilometres