Do Updates REALLY Matter?
Вставка
- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- This is an older opinion piece video that I've been sitting on for a while - but I'm surprised by how much I still feel the same way. Do the updates that we've come to expect from tech really matter anymore? What are good reasons to update and are the updates actually making tech worse?
Regular programming will return soon.
Links:
Affiliate link to Hostinger hosting: www.hostg.xyz/...
Donate here...thanks: bit.ly/MOO4KG
Watch on Odysee/LBRY.tv: odysee.com/@in...
Sign up to Dropbox: db.tt/Qg1VIS9T
Facebook: / ingalactic
Blog: infinitelygalac...
Twitter: #!...
He is back!
Security updates matter, they always have and always will. Feature updates matter for most software that isn't eol or mature.
Security updates matter but not nearly as much in Linux or MacOS. You could install Linux Mint and never update, run it for 6 years and never get hacked or infected. I don't recommend that you do...but you could.
@@dragonballjiujitsu Windows is the low hanging fruit when it comes to hacking. Low hanging because not only has it lost slightly over 10% to MacOS over the past decade allowing Macs to reach 15%, but it's lost another 2-3% to Linux over the last three years. To make things worse, most of the internet is run on linux, so if you ever hear of a server breach... chances are it was a linux server that got hacked.
This and the fact that an unfortunately ever increasing number of infected apps have been found on the official Google and Apple stores for mobile seems to indicate hackers are moving away from a windows only approach to more "holistic" malware propagation vectors. To paraphrase an american TV presented: And you get infected by malware! And you get infected by malware! Everybody get's infected by malware!
@@AlucardNoir Sure you CAN infect Linux and MacOS. But your odds are about 3-400000 times less likely than on Windows or android. I ran a computer repair shop for over 15 years and NEVER seen an infected Mac or Linux box. Has a browser hijacker on a MacBook Pro once (has nothing to do with the OS) Linux is a much gater target than Windows simply because it runs all the servers. Its simple far more secure , number of users not withstanding.
@@dragonballjiujitsu don't most IoT devices run on linux? And aren't many part of botnets?
What A I intends to do: to collect data as much as possible...
And to control the narrative of whatever the government is pushing at the time.
Couldn't care less about AI. Don't want it shoved in my face at every turn. Feels like the general brain rot continues to spread into all aspects of life.
Me neither. I don't want it, I don't need it.
I agree.
I just won't use it. I hate all the AI slop that's being shoved in our faces nowadays. It's just something to saite investor's growth expectations like InfinitelyGalactic said.
I'd rather have a cobbled together OS that works beautifully like Zorin than bleeding edge BS that breaks all the time.
NixOS is bleeding edge and almost impossible to break.
@@brianconnery2801 It also has a long way to go before more casual users will be able to use it.
I like updates. I like how they install in a terminal. I don't like AI. I don't want it, I don't need it.
Same👍!
Security 100%. Everything else, eh. When I did use Win11 I kept pushing/delays "updates" for years. I just update Mint 21.3 when it pops up but I'm waiting for 22 for a bit more.
I've used rolling releases and newest distros for quite long time, but these days my interest is mostly on "as long as it works and keeps working". Now I have lmde on my laptop. I like Debian base and cinnamon there seems to be very stable even though apparently they're very new. Bit same with Windows. I have 11 on one desktop, but at especially at work upgrade to it has been waiting there for months already and I don't feel at all upgrading it unless necessary. Like I hate modern consoles at my age. I don't play that much anymore and every single time I feel like I get firmware upgrade that takes minutes and when it's done and I try to open some game, there's like 20gig update for that. Destroys completely my idea of convenient and easily accessible gaming. I'm definitely going to keep using PC in future as even as they have updates too, well at least I use them so much more that they're usually done on background. If someone suggests those always on features, nope I'm not going that way on my little usage as consoles take surprisingly much power from wall with those features on. I'm not willing to sacrifice that convenience on my electric bills.
I only use Debian Sid for the latest Gnome releases. Evrything else could be old but security-updated for me.
Great to see a video from you.
Here's my perspective as a Windows user - yep, same for me. But I do think it's just that software got way worse. Maybe tech has hit some sort of peak. The same story goes for phones, how every phone from the past 10 years is almost the same with minimal design changes and only spec bumps. On the OS side of things, I remember the jump from Win95/98 to XP, it was like going to Mars. And then when Vista (and later 7) came out, I think I jizzed my pants, like it was unreal. And now, with 10 and 11, it somehow looks and performs worse?! I used to be very excited for every new release, I was in the insider program and all that stuff. But then after I realized which times have come, I've become very jaded. Now I'm even going to do the unthinkable and go BACK to an older version because the new one for some stupid reason broke the explorer. I still update programs, at least they are still worth it.
I used to love the whole ritual of checking for updates, clicking OK, watching the progress bar, restarting the machine or application to see the difference... But now I'm just happier if it works day in, day out and I don't have to think too much about it
Updates matter if you are having issues. They do matter for malware/ransomware. I don't update the main OS right away. I'll wait several months when it is out before moving to a new OS.
I update GNOME with every version, and I'm happy about it being the same as in 2012, but with a small polish everytime. To the extent that I couldn't hop to Debian and go 2-3 versions back.The new features on GNOME are usually really uninteresting.
I use Tuxedo OS and that has KDE plasma 6.
Out of all KDE distros, this one is very well done with tight integration.
Its my favorite distro at the moment but may be displaced when Elementary OS 8 is released.
time will tell
I'm at the point where I don't even use my PC for weeks at a time, so what I want from updates is to not bork my system 🙂
I guess the main desktop environments are now mature enough. Familiarity has a value of it's own. Although I wonder if we're seeing much innovation from the newer, smaller projects.
The reason things are as exciting as they were 10, 20, 30 years ago is that Linux has matured to be a rock-solid, stable OS. And you're getting older. We all are. The same thing happens in all relationships. You've been together for years, got to know each other deeply, figure out each other's quirks, and then the "magic" is gone. But what's left is something reliable, something you can count on, something that "just works".
Yes, beyond security updates and bug fixes, there isn't really much to go around. But on the other hand, I'm lucky that that's the case in the Linux world, because I think Windows shows you best what happens when devs get bored and have to push out shiny new things just for the sake of having shiny new things, even if they turn out to basically just be user-hostile.
And when it comes to AI, it can be helpful, just not for everyday life, at least not for the moment. But that's mostly because it's either insanely expenisve or dead slow. We would need some giant leeps in efficiency and performance increase for both training and applying AI models for them to become any useful. Maybe then we'll even be able to create LLMs that can answer based on facts and knowledge and won't just pull something from its ass. At least for research it sounds very helpful if you could find any piece of content about topic x, no matter what language it was written in and what form (web page, pdf - either machine-readable or needs to be made machine-readable for automatic translation - video or whatever). And for both scientific work and day-to-day life it actually can be helpful to be able to build your own kind of "local knowledge graph" to remember e.g. in which document you put what or on website you read something about a certain topic. It just has to be done better than stuff like Windows Recall.
You should take a look at COSMIC DE. This is a really good step forward in different areas.
On the topic of AI I totally agree with you. I don't get this AI hype for the things we are ATM doing with it. AI is nice for chemistry and biology with folding or improving proteins and enzymes, or forecast of earthquakes and stuff. But not for "generate image A" or "write me text B" 🤦♂️ ATM AI mostly just generates CO2.
Just made me think way back, when I ran dos or os/2. I never thought of updates then. Updates? What updates?
Just today, I installed the latest iso for pop os/cosmic desktop. Then I updated as usual. Huge update. Things change really quick now.
Yes, I have 10 raspberry pis desktops that can't update because nobody bothered for at least two years. It stops in time, and if it breaks, nothing works and nobody is going to help you. Full backups are more important, tho.
Edit: At some point, the desktop design matures, and you focus on the critical stuff :) Performance, compatibility, stability. I personally love the level of synergy that the Android has with Windows.
There's many factors. The OS is kinda got to the point where the bulk users requirements are met, so anything after that pretty much just be another spin of the same wheel. Plus users themselves are much have cognisant of what they need/use and already have them installed. I previously didn't want AI on my computer although a local copy would be useful for the average hobby programmer and in general learning within other fields so I don't get hyper spied upon if I use online AI. Updates necessary for security of course and I agree app bug fixes.
I always update; however, I do agree there isn't much to get excited about. I also dread the proliferation of AI because, like you, I have yet to see the #gamechanger use case for it. To be honest, I'd rather see fewer updates (other than security/bug patches). Why mess with something if it works?
I can't imagine using something and not wanting it to get updated. Yes, not every change is good, but also the not everything we have right now is good. I would rather deal with a new UI that maybe breaks my specific workflow, than be stuck with bad things forever.
I always delay feature updates because it seems today the user is the beta-tester today and things aren't properly tested or refined before being pushed out. When it comes to security updates and critical bug fixes, those are absolutely reasons to update right away. I wish that you could just get bug-fixes and security updates separately from feature updates. Some operating systems do a great job of allowing this and others don't and force you to update everything or nothing at all and that is really frustrating because in order to be secure and to have annoyances fixed you are forced to also at the same time be forced onto the latest features which most of the time I don't want and aren't 100% refined to where it should be when its pushed out.
Maybe the focus of the video was wrong. I think it could be better if you had the question "Why did updates become so irrelevant?" as a focus point and just give some reasons why it's like this.
I've always had the mindset of "if it works, don't fix it." Even back in my Windows days, I always abstained from updates unless necessary. In my experience, there is always a chance updates will break something that was working perfectly before.
Regarding new versions of distros, I feel like there's this idea that they have to keep changing, introducing new features and such. When in fact, it might simply be the fact that they're good enough. Not everything has to keep progressing. Personally, I'm using the same layout on my linux that I had pretty much back on Windows 98. With the exception of some QoL improvements, I don't really think the changes to the UI in the last 20+ years have been a good thing. But if the mindset is always "we have to evolve" then you're gonna end up with some weird creative decisions like when Gnome got rid of the taskbar and tray.
I agree about security updates and features in apps,desktops don't matter to me as much and as for AI ,well that is a total waste of effort as it can't spell or talk correctly and often gets it's facts wrong. This is just hype for the benefit of the industries trying to make us believe we need something we can live without.
Even yesterday, 4 critical updates to CUPS were released. You are not going to install them? That's nuts!!!
Or, are you maybe talking about UPGRADES instead of updates???
EDIT: yep, you were talking about upgrades.
As always great vid. Thanks 🙂
Sorry mate, but yes, it's you. Having said that, your content is considered, and appreciated. Cheers!
We are in the same boat 🙌🏻.
Security updates and hardware updates are important but, I couldn't care less about AI 😅
Some matter, some don't. For instance, I want my Go compiler to be current, but I use the default version of Vim.
There has been so much development in the last couple of years in the Linux gaming space I wonder if there isn't just more of the community's attention going there ATM.
Hey good to see you with another interesting video find linux is generally getting abit boring as a couple of years ago you tube was full of channels showing what new stuff is out there and talking about different distros joe who was big on here as gone more oh less and i see you not on as much too yea i know not much happening or to talk about but please dont disapear Enjoy the talk and your mini rants lol thanks f
"Do Updates REALLY Matter?", - proceeds to base his opinion on some outdated barely maintained obscure meme distro
always happy to see your videos. i don't think you're getting old. time seems to be very friendly to you.well done!
EndeavourOS is a shining example of how updates work really well on a fresh release cycle.
I would update to the latest version of Mint, if I were you. Fixes many issues, and a later kernel really helps.
During your segment on AI there was an ad break. And it was for Apple Intelligence (sic) :/
"If I see another AI integration into stuff I'm gonna flip a table" if that ain't a whole ass mood
Lazy here too... I am even thinking of switching to Debian OS...
Seems you're confusing updates with upgrades.
new hardware I use pop os. after mint catches on I switch to mint.
Hope you can do a COSMIC desktop video one day.
In the tech industry, Gnome is typically pronounced as "Nome". And "Mate" is typically pronounced "Ma-teh".
Zorin is based on Ubuntu 22.04, which means no pipewire as default. This could matter for some people I guess.
It's one of those little thinga that give you purpose in life
Security.
It's not needed on Linux, especially on older hardware. However UI improvements should always be made because we evolve in the way we use our technology.
Depends what you mean by 'improvements'.
@@chocolate_squiggle Better UI, improved functionality eg. Adding additional views to the files app, additional sorting options, better file search etc
Updates got worse ever since Windows 10...
7*
@@avidwriter2882
7 was painless... and manageable...
but Windows 10 and 11... ⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️
@@avidwriter2882
To be honest, Windows 7 was superior to Windows 10 and 11 in every way.
Updates are not exiting unless you use a rolling release/bleeding edge/leading edge distribution