@@JanBartSpang and Craig, I reckon that, when this pandemic is brought under control, it will be about time to take a production EV along the route taken by Jonathan Pape in the 1950's (I have his book). He drove the distance between Cape Town and Nordkapp in an Austin, which was only slightly customised for the journey. At that time, around 1957, there was no road for a few kilometres in the Nordkapp area, so that part of the journey was done on a wooden sledge. How about it? Sponsorship would be reasonably easy to obtain, and maybe a manufacturer would supply the car, as Austin did for Pape.
Hello from France. Nice range test. For me, the ZOE ZE 50 is, due to his advantage of 22 AC kw/h charging, the car to have if you can't buy a (expansive) Tesla. The 50 kw/h charging is not fantastic but quite good. And with your video, I can travel in Ireland without quiting my seat and screen computer😀. This Renault EV is well solded in France due to his quality for the price. I have a ZOE 40. Good continuation.
Excellent. Well done. It did what it claimed on the tin admirably. It felt your pain when you had to stay behind the slow camper van. Stunning scenery out there. Sailed past it many a time, last time in dense fog, radar screaming with MARPA targets. Those roads and a gentle right foot helps. Thanks. Enjoyed watching that.
I did most of it in 2016 in a 22kWh Zoe. Got as far as Galway when we had to turn around for a family emergency. I do indeed want to do it again but in its entirety. Will be far less of a challenge in a ZE50!!
Thanks made my spend feel better , can’t wait , Zoe number one been great but this is a game changer . Dc fast charging a must for anyone hoping to further a field , Dutch the Bose and get the winter pack , still has problems beating and cooling whilst on charge . No more button to preheat and open charge port ( what were they thinking at Renault) . Never used original , hope it’s an improvement but early info suggests not perfect yet
I can live with the no heating/cooling while charging as I generally don't sit in the car while charging. The charge port button is a bit annoying but I don't think it'll upset me much. Can't wait to get mine..
I still have my old faithfull Zoe Q210, wish i had the ZE50, the range, WoW! I would be very happy with a ZE40. The range of that one in the Netherlands is more then enough.
Thats some range you got in the Zoe z.e 50 . Been driving my Ioniq 28kwh bev for a couple of years , but still get the odd Charger Anxiety with its 200km range in summer. Thinking about the Zoe again as used to own a ze40. The 22kw ac is such a big feature with being able to charge up at any so called slow Charger. Hope to do a Test drive in a Zoe ze50 . Were only a 2 person household and rarely carry any passengers. Im wondering though if id get my Racing bike in the back with the front wheel off. Partner does a lot running and i often bring my bike to go for a cycle while shes running a Half or Full Marathon all over the country.
Should be fine. I've transported bicycles that way. And I would probably see if you can get a ZE50. The 50kW CCS and 22kW AC makes it really versatile around Ireland.
I did use Breaking Mode but I don't like using Eco mode.. It makes the car to slow to respond to make it a fun ride.. As I mentioned in the video I pretty much went with the traffic.. I don't think I could've done the trip much faster.. Thanks for watching! 🙂
Well done jan . What you think to ze50 ? It’s a great car we think . On good few times had Estimated range over 250 miles in summer on a roads keeping up with traffic after doing about 200 miles on trips usaly and I don’t drive very economically as I enjoy the car too much! Best had on a roads trying to be economically is 6.8 miles per kWh and 25 c outside on flat ground on upto 50 mph roads and 6.2 on both legs so I think that is great. Had 230 miles total ish at 70 mph on mostly motorway in summer mid 20 c and 9 c with heating on 22 auto 60-65 mph on motorway got 210 miles total mostly motorway. Be interested to see winter range as it’s got colder the range has dropped to about 220 miles Estimated 100% charge down from 240-260 in summer ,as temperatures dipped to 6-8 c last few weeks but with economically driving did 140 miles and still had 82 left yesterday so gom is accurate if you drive Sensible on a roads and dual carriageways doing 55 -65 mph were possible. Done 7500 miles in under 5 months so we get around.
It's a great car. Good combination of sufficient range with good enough rapid charging and of course the invaluable (here in Ireland) 22kW AC charging.
@@JanBartSpang yer I use 22 kw a lot in the summer as nearby coast has free 22 kw so stop for 30 mins and then can do trip for free . Loving the car so far now got preheating fixed we are ready for winter and not having to Scrape the windows this year be nice and working heater will be even nicer as hybrid last two winters didn’t have working heating for 10-12 miles.
WOW! I mean WOW! I'm surprised you got 370! But 120km/hr motorway would eat the distance. Mind you with CCS you are getting 50% battery in what about 30 mins? ...a long coffee? Or 80% in 45 if you want a lunch? I recon that a good 150km range in half an hour if you drive at 110 or 100kph maybe? Mind you in December near freezing at the moment combined with up and down hills you might lop off 5-10% range? But again hilly roads are not usually motorways and you are down to 50 or 60kph so you gain back the range with slower speed???
120km/h and -6C consume about twice the energy per 100km... And at that speed and temperature is the preheating of the car is extremely important to get the proper range. I had a day in December last year at -17C no preheat at all (is it is not working on my Zoe ZE50 yet, it is at the shop for fixing it right now). 70km at 110km/h and another 20km at 70km/h and 5km at 30km/h for a total distance of 95km and 26kWh consumed. My loaner Zoe ZE50 at +6 C do the same trip on 15.2kWh fully preheated. So preheating is rather important in cold weather. I do hate that I can not operate the battery heating during driving. That would increase charging speed in winter weather a lot.
@@kjelllindberg6987 Im in Ireland where wo only get sub zero maybe three or four days a year on average I would say. And that is away from the sea in the hills or mountains or 50 miles inland and still is only minus 1 or 2 maybe .WE get snow ( enough to ski on) maybe every ten years. So when I say -5to 10% battery range I mean for winter in those conditions. UK would be similar but a bit colder as they dont get the gulf stream
@@kjelllindberg6987 One difference with Ireland we get a long autumn with leaves falling from Say Late Septermber up until mid november I note the Zoe has a big gap between the windscreen and the dash. It is worth opening your bonnet at least one a week and removing any leaves clogging the drains. I ignored them and they dropped down into the drain blocking it. WE tend to get rain ( on average every second day) rather than snow and we had to recent storms. I discovered 2cm of water in the passenger foot area. I sponged it out and two seeks later after another day heavy rain noticed it spilling in when I accelerated. It appears the clogged leaved caused water to build up and divert into the car. So open the bonnet clean out that gap between bonnet and window.
It has some stupid flaws that any potential buyer should know about. And the biggest stupidity is that it could be fixed with firmware, but Renault just does not care. If you live in a warm climate (never below 7 degrees C) these complaints/issues do not apply to you. When it is cold, you can not control the traction battery heating. So if being on a journey when it is below -5C your maximum charging speed is 7kW even at 20% SoC. To get full charging speed the traction battery needs to be above +7C. The heating of the cabin can not be controlled during charging. A workaround exists, heating can be turned on thru the app. But the temperature will still be drop to about 10C if it is below -10C outside. The heating/cooling thru the app is limited to 10min, no matter what, but it can be repeated every 10min manually... So it is not sufficient in low temperatures as it will not heat up the cabin or the traction battery enough when it is below +5C in 10min. The supplied single-phase 230V cable is strict 10A only and has no adjustments neither in the charging cable nor in the car settings, it is always maximum charge speed and always to 100% SoC.
@@JanBartSpang It is a 1kW traction battery heater in our car (I think). I know that because it is used when preheating the car during wintertime (to raise the temperature from say, -10C to just below 0C (takes about 5*10 min, preheat cycles). I have so far (two years and 93000km) never had to cool the battery during charging. Its highest logged temperature is 23 degrees C during charging, and the highest temperature I have ever seen was 29 C after some fast driving...
Yes, 1kW PTC heater to heat the battery in winter, airconditioning for cooling in the summer or after long drives.. I've had the cooling come on several times in my 15000km so far.. And it doesn't get cold enough here to need to heat the cabin while charging.. That and I don't tend to sit in the car while charging.. 🙂 But yes, it would have been nice to be able to heat the cabin while charging.. I believe you can still use the heat pump but that's less effective than the AC.. But overall I don't really miss it in Ireland..
Jan-Bart Spang I only have a leaf 30kWh available on the clock. There is 8% hidden till the turtle. That must be 5 kwh. Some say it’s 35-37kwh. But have cheek to call it 40kWh. I call it leaf 30kWh.
Jan-Bart Spang I love you too drive around under 0% to see if you can use the 5kwh to some extent. Need muscle and a known route to circle . In case it stops. Can ze would help nerves .
Nice work matey.. When we going to Austria :P
Where's the challenge in that!! 🙂
How do you feel about driving somewhere further like Nordkap? 😁
@@JanBartSpang and Craig, I reckon that, when this pandemic is brought under control, it will be about time to take a production EV along the route taken by Jonathan Pape in the 1950's (I have his book). He drove the distance between Cape Town and Nordkapp in an Austin, which was only slightly customised for the journey. At that time, around 1957, there was no road for a few kilometres in the Nordkapp area, so that part of the journey was done on a wooden sledge.
How about it? Sponsorship would be reasonably easy to obtain, and maybe a manufacturer would supply the car, as Austin did for Pape.
It would be more of a challenge to do that in a original Zoe, not the ZE50! But yes, would love to do a trip like that!!
Hello from France. Nice range test. For me, the ZOE ZE 50 is, due to his advantage of 22 AC kw/h charging, the car to have if you can't buy a (expansive) Tesla. The 50 kw/h charging is not fantastic but quite good. And with your video, I can travel in Ireland without quiting my seat and screen computer😀. This Renault EV is well solded in France due to his quality for the price. I have a ZOE 40. Good continuation.
Merci.. 🙂
Well done . Zoe Ze50 is the best all round car for Charging with its onboard 22Kw AC and CCS Fast Charging.
Yes, it is.. Combined with a 52kWh battery and a price of less than €30k it's the best one out there.
Excellent video. Converting to miles (UK) that's 220 miles. I have an R135 ZE50 and it's good to know these things!
If it helps, I have. Zoe50 in uk and have done over 200 miles on a run, single charge, no problem. It’s a very competent car.
Zoe does a lot..great electric car!
I know!! It's been performing great since it was first launched in 2013. Great EVs. My 2014 Zoe still has 94% of its original battery capacity left!!
@@JanBartSpang Tempted by the new one ?
Mmmmaaybe....
Nice one, Jan. And on a beautiful day, too. This car meets our requirements for an EV. And I like the economy of that Zöe. Thanks.
I was minding it a bit but yes very economical..
Glad you are making this , comment before seen much , get my new zoe with in next few weeks
You will not be disappointed..
Enjoy its a great car
@@JanBartSpang yer it’s best car we had since 06 type r and as much fun but lot cheaper to run .
Superb, J-B! That's truly exceptional range.
Thanks. I had a fun day.
Excellent. Well done. It did what it claimed on the tin admirably. It felt your pain when you had to stay behind the slow camper van. Stunning scenery out there. Sailed past it many a time, last time in dense fog, radar screaming with MARPA targets. Those roads and a gentle right foot helps. Thanks. Enjoyed watching that.
Thanks for watching. I had a fun day.
Nice one!
Thank you. It's was a great day for it!
Fantastic video. Next challenge for you, the Wild Atlantic Way in a Zoe!!
I did most of it in 2016 in a 22kWh Zoe. Got as far as Galway when we had to turn around for a family emergency.
I do indeed want to do it again but in its entirety. Will be far less of a challenge in a ZE50!!
Jan-Bart Spang we did the whole trip over 2 weeks in 2017, but in a kadjar! Absolutely amazing drive from beginning to end.
Yeah, I was looking forward to the Donegal coast line but sadly didn't get there. Maybe in 2021!
Wow beautiful shots
Watch my playlist called The Passenger for some more scenic drives from the point of view of my car..
Great video JB.
Thank you.. 🙂
Charging 0 - 2 Bladder
Yeah.. I had bladder range anxiety.. 😁
Thanks made my spend feel better , can’t wait , Zoe number one been great but this is a game changer . Dc fast charging a must for anyone hoping to further a field , Dutch the Bose and get the winter pack , still has problems beating and cooling whilst on charge . No more button to preheat and open charge port ( what were they thinking at Renault) . Never used original , hope it’s an improvement but early info suggests not perfect yet
I'm seldom cold but play a lot of music.. 😉
I can live with the no heating/cooling while charging as I generally don't sit in the car while charging. The charge port button is a bit annoying but I don't think it'll upset me much.
Can't wait to get mine..
I still have my old faithfull Zoe Q210, wish i had the ZE50, the range, WoW! I would be very happy with a ZE40. The range of that one in the Netherlands is more then enough.
Yep.. ZE40 with FastAC 43kW charger would be absolutely fine for most..
@@JanBartSpang Things change, next week i get my ZE 50!!!!!
Awesome!!
God I have not had an EV since 2019 I am getting the new Zoe getting back into all the people on YT!
You'll love the new Zoe.. 🙂
Thats some range you got in the Zoe z.e 50 . Been driving my Ioniq 28kwh bev for a couple of years , but still get the odd Charger Anxiety with its 200km range in summer. Thinking about the Zoe again as used to own a ze40. The 22kw ac is such a big feature with being able to charge up at any so called slow Charger. Hope to do a Test drive in a Zoe ze50 . Were only a 2 person household and rarely carry any passengers. Im wondering though if id get my Racing bike in the back with the front wheel off. Partner does a lot running and i often bring my bike to go for a cycle while shes running a Half or Full Marathon all over the country.
Should be fine. I've transported bicycles that way.
And I would probably see if you can get a ZE50. The 50kW CCS and 22kW AC makes it really versatile around Ireland.
No idea if you will read this or reply. I just wondered if you used ECO-mode? And did you you the breaking gear?
Very informative video. Thanks !
I did use Breaking Mode but I don't like using Eco mode.. It makes the car to slow to respond to make it a fun ride..
As I mentioned in the video I pretty much went with the traffic.. I don't think I could've done the trip much faster..
Thanks for watching! 🙂
Well done jan . What you think to ze50 ? It’s a great car we think . On good few times had Estimated range over 250 miles in summer on a roads keeping up with traffic after doing about 200 miles on trips usaly and I don’t drive very economically as I enjoy the car too much! Best had on a roads trying to be economically is 6.8 miles per kWh and 25 c outside on flat ground on upto 50 mph roads and 6.2 on both legs so I think that is great. Had 230 miles total ish at 70 mph on mostly motorway in summer mid 20 c and 9 c with heating on 22 auto 60-65 mph on motorway got 210 miles total mostly motorway. Be interested to see winter range as it’s got colder the range has dropped to about 220 miles Estimated 100% charge down from 240-260 in summer ,as temperatures dipped to 6-8 c last few weeks but with economically driving did 140 miles and still had 82 left yesterday so gom is accurate if you drive Sensible on a roads and dual carriageways doing 55 -65 mph were possible. Done 7500 miles in under 5 months so we get around.
It's a great car. Good combination of sufficient range with good enough rapid charging and of course the invaluable (here in Ireland) 22kW AC charging.
@@JanBartSpang yer I use 22 kw a lot in the summer as nearby coast has free 22 kw so stop for 30 mins and then can do trip for free . Loving the car so far now got preheating fixed we are ready for winter and not having to Scrape the windows this year be nice and working heater will be even nicer as hybrid last two winters didn’t have working heating for 10-12 miles.
I can see you don't have quite hilly roads in Ireland as Italy's. The Zoe would go far less than 370km but it's okay for a small car and short trips.
It's wasn't a very hilly route. And yes, that was slightly picked.
nice from hindustan.
Thank you for watching! 🙂
WOW! I mean WOW! I'm surprised you got 370! But 120km/hr motorway would eat the distance. Mind you with CCS you are getting 50% battery in what about 30 mins? ...a long coffee? Or 80% in 45 if you want a lunch? I recon that a good 150km range in half an hour if you drive at 110 or 100kph maybe? Mind you in December near freezing at the moment combined with up and down hills you might lop off 5-10% range? But again hilly roads are not usually motorways and you are down to 50 or 60kph so you gain back the range with slower speed???
120km/h and -6C consume about twice the energy per 100km... And at that speed and temperature is the preheating of the car is extremely important to get the proper range. I had a day in December last year at -17C no preheat at all (is it is not working on my Zoe ZE50 yet, it is at the shop for fixing it right now). 70km at 110km/h and another 20km at 70km/h and 5km at 30km/h for a total distance of 95km and 26kWh consumed. My loaner Zoe ZE50 at +6 C do the same trip on 15.2kWh fully preheated. So preheating is rather important in cold weather. I do hate that I can not operate the battery heating during driving. That would increase charging speed in winter weather a lot.
@@kjelllindberg6987 Im in Ireland where wo only get sub zero maybe three or four days a year on average I would say. And that is away from the sea in the hills or mountains or 50 miles inland and still is only minus 1 or 2 maybe .WE get snow ( enough to ski on) maybe every ten years. So when I say -5to 10% battery range I mean for winter in those conditions. UK would be similar but a bit colder as they dont get the gulf stream
@@kjelllindberg6987 One difference with Ireland we get a long autumn with leaves falling from Say Late Septermber up until mid november I note the Zoe has a big gap between the windscreen and the dash. It is worth opening your bonnet at least one a week and removing any leaves clogging the drains. I ignored them and they dropped down into the drain blocking it. WE tend to get rain ( on average every second day) rather than snow and we had to recent storms. I discovered 2cm of water in the passenger foot area. I sponged it out and two seeks later after another day heavy rain noticed it spilling in when I accelerated. It appears the clogged leaved caused water to build up and divert into the car. So open the bonnet clean out that gap between bonnet and window.
It has some stupid flaws that any potential buyer should know about. And the biggest stupidity is that it could be fixed with firmware, but Renault just does not care.
If you live in a warm climate (never below 7 degrees C) these complaints/issues do not apply to you.
When it is cold, you can not control the traction battery heating. So if being on a journey when it is below -5C your maximum charging speed is 7kW even at 20% SoC. To get full charging speed the traction battery needs to be above +7C.
The heating of the cabin can not be controlled during charging. A workaround exists, heating can be turned on thru the app. But the temperature will still be drop to about 10C if it is below -10C outside.
The heating/cooling thru the app is limited to 10min, no matter what, but it can be repeated every 10min manually...
So it is not sufficient in low temperatures as it will not heat up the cabin or the traction battery enough when it is below +5C in 10min.
The supplied single-phase 230V cable is strict 10A only and has no adjustments neither in the charging cable nor in the car settings, it is always maximum charge speed and always to 100% SoC.
That can't be fixed via firmware. The airconditioning is used to cool the battery. That's why it's not available during charging.
@@JanBartSpang It is a 1kW traction battery heater in our car (I think). I know that because it is used when preheating the car during wintertime (to raise the temperature from say, -10C to just below 0C (takes about 5*10 min, preheat cycles). I have so far (two years and 93000km) never had to cool the battery during charging. Its highest logged temperature is 23 degrees C during charging, and the highest temperature I have ever seen was 29 C after some fast driving...
Yes, 1kW PTC heater to heat the battery in winter, airconditioning for cooling in the summer or after long drives.. I've had the cooling come on several times in my 15000km so far.. And it doesn't get cold enough here to need to heat the cabin while charging.. That and I don't tend to sit in the car while charging.. 🙂
But yes, it would have been nice to be able to heat the cabin while charging.. I believe you can still use the heat pump but that's less effective than the AC..
But overall I don't really miss it in Ireland..
What about the temperature?
It's was about 20 degrees..
@@JanBartSpang Thank you. The batteries sat comfortably then.
Active air-cooling for the batteries helps. I haven't seen my 2014 Zoe batteries hotter than 35 degrees.
And all that with a flat tyre!?
With a broken tyre pressure sensor.. 🙂
47.2kwh available ?
The math would suggest that but it's 52kWh available out of a 54kWh battery according to Renault.. 🤔
Jan-Bart Spang ehh , no it’s not. 😆
I'll be looking into that when I get hold of one for a bit longer.. And hopefully have CanZE working..
Jan-Bart Spang I only have a leaf 30kWh available on the clock. There is 8% hidden till the turtle. That must be 5 kwh. Some say it’s 35-37kwh. But have cheek to call it 40kWh. I call it leaf 30kWh.
Jan-Bart Spang I love you too drive around under 0% to see if you can use the 5kwh to some extent. Need muscle and a known route to circle . In case it stops. Can ze would help nerves .
They have baths in the toilets, like in America.
Nah in America everyone has a rest in the toilets. 😂