The Magic Hiding Inside Your Incandescent Holiday Light Strings!
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- Опубліковано 17 гру 2023
- How the rest of the string stays lit when a bulb goes dark.
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the nominal voltage range to trigger the the shunt is about 30 - 70 volts AC PS they are also function as a 3 amp fuse.
this is my result of a teat on 30 bulbs.
my test rig is a vintage variac transformer in to a 1 - 3 isolation transformer the amp meter reads op to 5 amp in 1 ma increments
the voltage range changes if air gets in
my test load is a 60 watt 120 v bulb
How many volts can I power this small bulb? What is the limit voltage?
please next time announce what you are going to do while gripping the glass between the steel vice jaws while holding it with bare fingers. I'm not sure why but it triggered serious 'please wear gloves' which you did .. and everything went fine. so ... next time just say in advance first what's going to happen next and all will be fine. 😅
Decidely answered Fran's question.
Only on Mr. Carlson"s Lab would we discover the secret behind those little bulbs. 2 thumbs up.
Except that Fran Blanche's channel came out with a very similar video on this very subject and "scooped" Paul by about 24 hours. Paul, however, goes into a bit more detail RE: the actual mechanism involved.
Yes. i just spotted it
Frans lab discussed this yesterday and someone suggested it would be a good topic for you Paul!
Incredible video, engineer, I never thought that this was the reason why these lights remained on even though the bulb was blown, incredible. Congratulations, engineer.
That IS a Bright Idea. Must say Mr. Carlson knows really knows his test equipment too.
Seriously, you and franlab both doing a video on tricky light bulbs.
Mr C didn’t use a hammer to reveal the secrets inside the bulb:)
FranLab just had a video about these.. thanks for your demonstration!
Love that you used a vintage capacitor tester to demonstrate the breakdown voltage - brilliant!
Glad you liked it!
Dude, I am almost 60 years old and never knew this. That is so awesome, thank you.
fantastic educational work :)
my neighbor is a decoration lighting maniac.. we're good friends, he enjoys scaring me every chance he gets because i jump in the air like a spring... to pay back for his ruthless behavior, i mess w/ his Christmas lights. it brings me great joy.
one year i climbed one of his mesquites and inserted one of those intermittent bulbs in the top strand. as soon as he turned the corner coming from work he understood what has happened... so he got a spare bulb, climbed the tree and found the culprit as it's marked w/ a red dot.
a few days later i inserted two intermittent bulbs but only one had the red pain scrapped off. he repeated the procedure... but as he was victoriously walking away, the second blinking bulb had reached the working temperature and kicked in... that created a dilemma of sorts or maybe thinking occurs slower while hanging in a tree because he was up there for a minute.
i am open to input, anything nondestructive is a go :)
happy holidays everyone!
I wish you'd been my electronics teacher. You explain things in a way anybody can understand
Also worth mentioning is that most sets incorporated a safety or fuse bulb, usually identifiable by a white tip. This bulb does not incorporate the 'shunt' wire so is designed to cut power to the set when too many bulbs have failed and the voltage across the remining good bulbs exceeds a safe value.
The fuse is in the plug 🤦♂️
@@MadScientist267 Not everyone has these bulky unwieldy ugly but very safe UK plugs with a fuse in it. UK is not the world.
I thought that was a flashing lamp, bimetallic?
@@kyoudaiken Umm..
They're in the *light string plugs*
Reading comprehension not a strong point for you I presume 🤦♂️
@@MadScientist267 Ours only have mains plugs and that's it. There's no other plug.
I Note With A Wry Smile That This Is One Of Your SHORTEST Videos
Merry XMas
Wow! I'm 67 and have always known about the shunt wire inside the lamps, but until today had no idea how it worked! Why didn't it short out the string? Thank you for such a nice demonstration!
Yep, I just assumed that the filament was designed to melt itself into a short. I always preferred the C7 or C9 bulbs even if they are energy hogs.
According to Franlab, every shorted bulb makes the others brighter, so will shorten the other bulbs' life.
@@vortexan9804That's true. Think about it. Fewer bulbs equal smaller load equal more voltage going to each bulb equal brighter lit bulbs equal shorter life. 😊.
You are welcome!
I remember the old versions, if it burned out, the whole string went out. So you had to spend a hour taking a known good bulb and substitute every bulb with the good one until you found the bad one. Worked great unless you had more than one bulb bad. Sonetimes it was easier just to buy a new set. You could find the bad one if you had one of the little bulb testers, but you still had to pull every bulb
I remember one year stringing them all out on the kitchen floor and going through them with my grandma, doing just that. While swapping out bulbs, somehow, someway, I accidentally jammed my finger down in a socket, I think maybe i'd dropped it and I was just picking it back up and the whole strand spun on me. But as soon as my finger went inside that socket my hand and face exploded, it was awesome, my face looked like someone had thrown a bunch of soot on me and my hand was black. Ahh, the good times, I sure do miss my Grandma.
anyone old as dirt remembers that 😂
I remember looking for the bad bulb only to find out the bulb I was using was also bad! D’Oh!
Funny “if I knew then” I could have used an ohm meter and binary search to find the bad bulb in a minute or two.
Same here
Back in the 1880s, a similar system (the film cutout) was used with streetlights. A high voltage supply and series connected bulbs, with a self-shunting socket. See patent 818253. This used a thin insulator between two spring contacts in the socket that would arc through when exposed to the high voltage
We used that in a string of 300V bulbs (6 I think ran very dim)used to limit grid current in a 1 megawatt induction heater. Porcelain base had clip to hold the shunting fuses that you could replace if the bulb failed. used a saturable reactor and 15000v dc supply
The vice of knowledge!
how incredeble few days ago i watched same type of video on fran labs channel .......cristmas miracle😄....lot of love
Yes I saw fran doing it yesterday. Christmas miracle indeed. I'm sure us technicians seem to be an advanced species!
I saw her video recommended yesterday, but I was headed to bed. I saw this recommended just now and decided to go watch Fran's then Mr. Carlson's back to back.
This is a good order to watch them in. Fran poses a question which Mr. Carlson answers. Pretty cool.
Oh she is making technical videos again? I unsubscribed some time ago when all she did was whining and complaining...
@@Rob2That is what Fran did again, he had a hissy fit and took his video down.
Fran mostly makes frants (complaining videos) and old films (then complains more when copyright claims against them, he doesn't own the copyright).
Scary how Fran at Franlab did a video on this yesterday!
OK, nice presentation and great explanation. I'm assuming you'll follow up tomorrow with a video demonstrating the complete restoration of the bulb you opened up, correct?
Wishing you Paul, your family, friends and everyone at Mr. Carlson's Lab a Very Happy, Peaceful and Holy Christmas and best wishes for the New Year.
Merry Christmas to You and Yours as well Anthony!
I always wondered how those worked. As a kid, I remember having to check an entire string of bulbs many times as one bulb would cause them all to fail. Neat little trick they used there.
You solved my oldest electric mystery,thanks for that,mr carlson.merry christmas.
Yay! Fran Blanche did a video on this but it was kind of inconclusive. Looking forward to the Carlson treatment of this question.
2:47 - No need for cringing. I've never seen a working vise that looked pretty. Even machinists seem to mar them up, as long as they aren't the precision surfaces marred.
9:45 - Love the use of the old leakage tester for this.
And this video reminds me... I still haven't implemented your diode dropper trick on our incandescent lights. This needs... rectification... 🤓👍
There's not that much to understand and Fran explained everything so nothing about "inconclusive" .
Goes to show how much more Mr Carson's knows technology.
She seemed to be leaning in the direction of the wrapped wire being a mechanical contact. I didn't see how that would work without prematurely breaking the filament. This makes more sense. @@adrianoragazzo1321
Apparently Fran isn't too happy that her explination video she was gonna post next got sniped. In fact, she posted about it on the community tab, and removed her original video.
@@BloodAsp Fran's original video was brilliant! I hope she puts it up again.
Its so simple, and it works almost perfectly. I remember from my childhood that if you let several of those linger in this bypass mode, then it accelerated the burning of the rest of the bulbs :D So we always made sure we replace the first few in time.
In case you didn't know, its because the balance of the bulbs have to consume the all the power, thus eventually overpowering their design limit, and catastrophic failure will begin.
@@louf7178 Thanks, but i knew why others failed quicker. When multiple bulbs are shunted, the rest must handle the whole voltage drop thus individual bulb voltage increases as some bulbs are shorted
@vortexan9804 Yep, I remember my grandparents having really old christmas light string, and its instruction manual warned about such, advising to replace a burned out bulb as soon as possible.
Nice, I had to give up on incandescent bulbs a few years ago, and switch to LED's. The old bulbs worked well for many years, replacing candles and saving many many house fires at Christmas time.
You remember candles on the tree? Well, you are an old timer.
I just want to say without people like you sharing what you know is a gift thank you.
Wow. This is awesome! I love learning little secrets like this. Thanks.
My pleasure!
You did a much better job at explaining and demonstrating how these lights work when they burn out, than what I seen yesterday on another UA-cam channel. 👍🌲🏡
This is starting to feel like a response video. I haven't even seen that other video either. But there's a couple comments mentioning it.
FYI: the other channel belongs to a Fran B......
@@JCWise-sf9ww we all know.
@@1pcfredThat's fantastic, have a good day
This shunt is why the light keeper pro is a handy tool to have. Sometimes the the shunt doesn't 'fail' into place (the insulation holds up) and thus the string goes out. The light keeper pro sends a momentary high voltage 'shock' through the string to 'fail' any shunts on burned out bulbs. Pretty ingenious. I've since moved to LED lights but still have my light keeper pro. (please forgive my undoubtedly wrong terminology)
Agreed, I didnt realize the second circut in the bulb that has to be shorted before it will connect
@fersusoncomputing Me too, I bought this this tool a couple of years ago not really giving it much credibility at the time. I thought it might be snake oil but it really does work ... and now it makes complete sense why it works.
light keeper, or any piezo igniter from any bbq your neighbors tossed out over the last year - that's all it is
@@gorak9000 I made my own Light Keeper sparker with piezo igniter. Works great. LED bulb strings are a pain in the arse to fix compared to the incandescent. I once worked on a string of LED Christmas lights where all the LEDs failed. As each LED failed short all the rest started going until they all avalanched to death. Strangely there were blinking LEDs in the string and those are the only ones that survived.
@@jp040759 increasingly we're getting the European style LEDs here now too that are all soldered together, with no replaceable bulbs at all. If an LED dies, you toss the whole thing into the landfill and drive your car down to buy-n-large and buy another one. I guess the only saving grace for those ones is they tend to have a low voltage wall wart that fails before the LEDs do. I have an exorbitant amount of Christmas lights, but most of them are of the programmable (WS2811/WS2815) variety - there's a whole other set of issues you run into with those. So far this year I've only had a couple of pixels fail, which is pretty good, but to replace them, you have to chop out the old ones and solder new ones into the string with watertight heatshrink. The price you pay to be a nutcase with programmable Christmas lights synced to music :)
This was so cool and fun, thanks Professor Carlson!!
My pleasure!
Merry Christmas and thanks for all the great content you provide…including this Christmas light explanation!
A nice, straightforward and science-backed explanation! Insulation breakdown makes sense to me as when the bulb goes open, the mains voltage will appear across it, and as demonstrated, it's high enough for the insulation breakdown.
One more thing is the temperature resistance coefficient. A cold filament's resistance is lower than hot filament's; the bypass resistance - as Fran demonstrated - is lower than cold filament's.That's a big problem when those bulbs start failing. Blowing a single bulb won't really change anything, but the more of them go out, the higher the current through the string, the more power dissipation per bulb, and the higher risk of any remaining bulb going out. It will accelerate over time, so if you see a dead bulb, replace it or else you'll have a lot more to replace than just one. Hell, in an extreme case the whole string will get blown and act as a low resistance formed by bypasses, tripping a breaker or burning down if it doesn't happen.
Using a cap checker to test the "function" of that bulb - Totally awesome!!! Brilliant!!!!
0:53 - Refrigerator lights magic brother. As a kid I always wondered how that Christmas light worked. 🎄
I plainly love your videos. Thank you so much for sharing.
Big Thumbs Up
Thanks. I learned something about a curiosity.
Fascinating demonstration.
The Christmas light un-fuse. The fuse, in reverse. I like it. I used to put a diode inline with the live lead to give a little twinkle to the light and maybe improve the lifetime of the bulbs.
I was a kid when Mini Lights were a new concept. It was stated on the packaging that each bulb contained a "shunt", (or shunting device) that kept the lights burning even when one or more burned out.
A genius design! Thank you for the explanation!
I had wondered tremendously for a long time about that Paul. Thanks for for the Christmas treat !
My pleasure!
Great video. One comment: I noticed that toward the beginning you mentioned that the short in the burned-out bulb caused shorter life for the rest of the string. I guess you assumed that your viewers are able to figure out that that is because the loss of resistance in the filament of the burned dead bulb caused the current in the rest of the string to increase slightly. If you stated that I missed it.
I really like the Christmas video!
Merry Christmas
Thanks! You too!
Really cool to know! Two cameras one with high magnification too see the filament breaking down would be equally cool too see. 🙂
Merry Christmas Mr. Carlson. This was the most interesting Christmas video I've seen this year and I'm not alone because as I'm typing this, I can see the "Thumbs Up" counter increasing.
Thanks, and Merry Christmas to you as well!
Thanks so much Mr. C. I always wondered how that worked.
Any time!
You and FranLab are vibing the same wave! :D
I've wondered many times exactly how that worked, thanks for the clear explanation and demonstration.
Enjoy the season and all the best for the new year.
Thanks, you too!
Very illuminating.
I just watched Fran's video about it. My guess was that the bulb's filament holds the leads under tension, and when the filament fails the leads spread apart and the wire wrapped around them closes the circuit.
that is how I asumed it worked also. but after watching this video it "Shed a new Light" on the subject
Filaments are usually coiled. The stuff seems to lack any tensile strength to me so I don't see it holding much apart. Plus I'm pretty sure it expands as it heats up too. Which is part of the reason why it's coiled. To compensate for that expansion. I've seen filaments in bulbs move as they heat. We use tungsten as a filament because it handles the heat the best but that still doesn't mean it handles it great. I mean the stuff is glowing so it can't be good for it.
I used these bulbs as street light bulbs and to illuminate the inside of buildings on my model railway layout back in the 70s.
I found out purely by accident that they ran perfect on a 12V DC transformer and I could dim or brighten them.
Looked amazing with the main light switched off, especially as the setting was all steam age and they gave a lovely warm glow.
I must have made about 300 lamp posts out of modellers brass tubing and roughly 50 buildings had lights inside.
5 years later and I was still working on it.
Truly remarkable little things.
✌️❤️🇬🇧
Great video, Thanks.
What a great invention , so simple yet effective. I want to know who came up with that so I'd shake his hand. lol.
Thanks very much for explaining it 👍
I'd have never seen it and it was a mystery until now. ❤
Nicely explained, Paul. Thanks for sharing and Happy Christmas🎅🎅
I was unable to give you a thumbs up due to the fact there was not a thumbs up option. If I could I would definitely give you a thumbs up! Your video are the best! Seasons greetings my friend.
I have noticed the shorting wire on this bulbs without ever realizing IT was 'voltage actuated'! For years thought it was some hi resistance wire in paralell with the filament... it would not have worked that way! 65 years and still learning
Big Clive's vice of knowledge!
I have known for some time how the setup works but it was fantastic to see it happen. Thanks !
I've known about the shunt in these 'permanent contact' bulbs for decades, but was never sure exactly how it worked, I've often looked at that little turn of wire inside these lamps but didn't realise it was insulated wire, thanks for this explanation!
If the antifuse doesn't trip and you do have half a string out, you can remove a bulb from the good half (if it's two series parallel strings) and zap the set with the sparker from a BBQ igniter, and it should make the antifuse trip and short the blown bulb, and the dead half of the string should light when you plug it in again.
You mentioned that once a lamp failed and the shunt wire completed the circuit that other lamps would be stressed a bit more. We used to add a dim bulb in series with our holiday light strings to prolong the life. Getting the correct wattage was a bit of an experiment but kept the lights glowing!
Fantastic explanation and demonstration of a Christmas tree light bulb and how it works,and doesn't stop the circuit from
lighting when it burns out. Merry Christmas Mr. Carlson!
Merry Christmas to You as well!
Original approach to explaining this!!! Thumbs Up!!! I was hoping you would show it on a close up closing the circuit on the bulb leads. Expecting a slight spark possibly upon connecting. It is probably not visible though.
My dadpurchased this type series bulbs 💡 on year 2003 wow nice colours 👌you remembered my old days sir thank you so much sir 😊 ❤❤❤ you are really good engineer sir😊😊😊😊
Thanks for your kind comment!
Brilliant Mr Carlson
Have a super Christmas 🎅🏻 and super new year🎉
Who ever thought of that idea to keep the other lights going in the string certainly had a GREAT IDEA with this design, it is a good one!! it was also a nifty idea to use the old capacitor tester to trigger the bypass wire insulation to degrade on cue!! To Mr Carlson I am wishing he and his family has a VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS, and A HAPPY NEW YEAR!!
Thanks, I always wondered how that works. I just wish you would have measured the resistance of the shunt and the resistance of the filament. Merry Christmas!
Particularly when testing them with a multimeter, as the “shunt” can fool the continuity function and you think the bulb is working
Great minds! Just watched FranLab on these lil magical bulbs.
Brilliant video!
Learned something today about the Christmas tree light bypass function. I had thought the opening of the filament caused one side of the filament support to move making the connection with the wire loop at the based of the two filament supports. (( Like the arm moving on a Grasshopper Fuse. )) Did not understand how the insulation burned of the wire loop to make the new circuit contact. Thank you..!
Merry Christmas nice treat thanks
Well thanks Paul for enlightening me to what that magic really is. I'd heard that it had a shunt, but didn't know how that worked. All the best to you from Gene in Tennessee.
That explains a lot, your mehod is fully understandable, go home and test out the possible dead strings myself like you did, Thanks for sharing, Thumbs up, great video
Fun video
Merry Christmas, Paul! Thank you for the years of instruction and entertainment. AE5DW.
Merry Christmas to you as well Don!
Wow,, I just Googled this a few days ago trying to find the answer to how they keep lit AND not act as a dead short when the fillment is good !
A long time subscriber thanks you Mr Carlson !!
It explains the situation I had when I first put my lights up where I had a section that was completely down but after a few minutes it all came back with one dead bulb,, so that resistance wire in that particular bulb must have been slow to react...
Wonderful video :)
Thank you very much!
Hahaha same topic as in Fran Lab. I just wonder what isolation material breaks down at around 100V ???
thats amazing! i totally thought they were in parallel
Happy Christmas Mr. Carlson
A cool video, some Christmas electronics at Christmas. Merry merry!
Both! Ive enjoyed learning.
As a New Zealander we tend to say Merry Christmas as a greeting at this time of year, so Merry Christmas to you from New Zealand! ! . Thanks for all your work with the videos here & the Patreon Projects. I've learned more from you than the all the tech colleges a training Centres i ever attended over the years as a younger man to qualify as a Service Repair Tech and as a hobby now build things using vacuum tubes (or valves as they are called here). All the Best for the New Year Paul... 🙂
Thanks for your kind feedback Pete, and Merry Christmas to You as well!
Several years ago, I bought several strands of mini LED Christmas tree lights to replace old mini incandescent ones. The strands I bought have a little box that allowed dimming. I haven't had any luck finding any that have the dimmer. Should have bought more when I bought the original ones.
Great use of the capacitor tester, and this answers a long standing question of mine - why I still see continuity on dead bulbs when I check them with the DMM
Merry Christmas Mr. C
Merry Christmas!
Great video. Always wondered how that worked
Very interesting Paul.73 and a Merry Christmas
I love the detail you go into in explaining how the bulb works. A few times I’ve seen a faulty shorting device in a bulb where the bulb flickers and a small arc occurs at the device for a second or two. Then the bulb goes dark as the device has shorted.
Great explanation! Thanks Mr C👍 Merry Christmas to you and yours.
Merry Christmas to you and yours as well Terry!
Thanks for this interesting video. Happy Christmas!
Merry Christmas to you too.
Thanks, @@MrCarlsonsLab!
These lights bring back memories of my first encounter with mains power.
Every few years these Christmas lights strings broke and the supplied spare lights ran out,
and a new Christmas light string were purchased, and if they broke, they were repaired with the working lights of the old strings.
When I was 5 or 6 years old, I had cut off a socket with 1 light from the old Christmas strings and with short pieces of wire attached to the socket,
i stripped the ends of these wires with a scissor,and while holding the green plastic socket,i pushed the 2 wires in the socket (230V).
Not knowing that these lights had to be connected in series.
The result was sparks and a loud pop, and the light flew a few meters out of the socket.
There i stood with that socket between my fingers,the wires still in the socket and my face as white as a ghost :-)
I never saw these "self-healing" lights back then (80s), if 1 light broke, the rest no longer worked either. Each new Christmas lights included some spare lights, and 1 light with a bi-metal contact to make the rest of the lights flash at a low speed.
A better pop can be achieve by putting a 24V bulb in a 230V socket, the bulb blow very loudly and vanished at the same time, hope to see this in slow-mo one day !
Of course don't do this at home, My father didn't do this intentionally, it's only because we shift to led that he didn't check anymore if the bulb will not glow at 24V before put a new one .
@@lapub. those old incandecent christmas lights are much lower then 24V per bulb. I think they where 50 or 100 lights in series in 1 string, so that is only 2,3V or 4,6V per light bulb at 230V mains voltage here in Belgium.
@@BjornV78 2-5 v between each pole of a bulb , but when you touch it, the voltage is from ground, so 0 v at one end and 230 at the other, and just 110 at the middle.
for ten bulb in serie you have 24V at each but from ground you'll get
24-48-76-96-120-144-168-192-216-240
@@lapub. yes i'm aware of that, but i cutt 1 bulb with the socket from the string, and was holding the bulb with the green plastic socket between my fingers. I didn't get a electric shock, only the lamp popped and flew a few meters away. But like mentioned, you can may a voltage divider with such a christmas string. Useally, they are 50 or 100 bulbs in 1 string.
I never knew how it worked, expected something more complicated than that... but it works!
Merry Christmas Paul! Great explanation and demonstration of these seemingly simple bulbs. Recently I have had new light strings totally fail after not much use and I suspect the filaments are not the best quality and the voltage break down of the shunt is not carefully controlled. (just a guess) Older light strings 30 years old still work as they should.
Merry Christmas Erik!
I enjoy your videos Paul. Compliments of the season to you.
I always have wondered about that!
Neat thanks.
I've pondered that mystery for year's. Thank You for sharing.