@Dan Cooke and no, the ssjb evolution was a sort of full power limit breaking form that vegetal gained from the thought of being weak and incapable of being on par with Jiren. And he's done it before when trying to obtain ssj.
@Dan Cooke @Dan Cooke The Ikari form is what happens when a Saiyan accesses the power of their Great ape in their Base form. And Vegeta was seen time and time again being able to easily control himself while in great ape form. DBZ (Goku vs Vegeta) and DBGT (the time he turned into a great ape to obtain Ssj4). Also, the Ikari form was an idea pulled from ssj4 and it(ssj4) was also pulling it's strength from the ssj-great ape. In reality it's a different form of ssj that you gain after regaining consciousness while in the ssjApe form. The power is all put into your human form so to speak. But that requires a tail to occur. Since they have no tails they get a weaker version of the primal form. Basically im saying that it should be possible to merge both forms because they come from different wells of power. One entirely comes from breaking your limits in God form, the other is pulled from their saiyan biology. It's not too far fetched to assume that they could do this.
Fabio, I have a question to ask you. What do you think would have happened if the Original Nameless Namekian never would have had any evil whatsoever in his heart? Like for an example, what would have happened if the son of Katas would have had never split into Kami and Piccolo Daimaō from the Original Nameless Namekian having been born with an innocent personality like Dende?
That is only a part of the overall thing I am asking you about, Fabio. But what else do you think will change? Like in the case of the Human population being affected with no Piccolo Daimaō around?
I’ve seen what ifs suggestions where Goku is born a SSJ4 but I know that wouldn’t happen because 1. Goku’s S Cells would need to activate at birth which would make Super Saiyan as his base form 2. Then turn into a Golden Great Ape in the womb (which would make Gine explode) 3. Then he would need to control that but then he would probably just go crazy and then ye Also could you do What If Goku was born with Super Saiyan as his base The How: Goku is born with a rare condition that causes his S Cells to have actived at birth giving him 50x his base power at birth
That's false. Zenkai is recovering from near death or critical injuries and goku didn't get any of those from using Kaioken. And Zenkais dyed down after the frieza saga.
@@fabio5845 And what does using a higher version of the Kaioken does to your body? They strain the body? Precisely. Goku would end up gaining more damage over time which would mean Goku would gain more and more battle damaged the longer he is using Kaioken in the battlefield. Compared to vegeta who is just using the Ikari form. They did not train their base to get the perfected super saiyan to be well adjusted to them. They trained in Super saiyan to get used to it and mastered the super saiyan transformation in cannon.
Just realised even if ssj doesnt exist the saiyans can still be powerful they have ssg ultimate form kaioken also those combined could be more greater than ssb Also love the idea of ssg combined with ikari for vegeta and kaioken for goku very awesome idea
@@fabio5845 you could do ssg evolution, similar to SSBE but since they don’t have ssj, they evolve the ssg form making it stronger (SSGE) or introduce SSSG4( goku and vegeta get their tail regrown and they transform into the great ape form and with their god ki they become ssg great apes and then learn to master it and become the humanoid form of it which they call ssgss but we know it’s ssg4
I think at least the U6 Saiyans could use the Wrathful Form, but it really wouldn't change the story much. What if suggestion: What if Gohan was born with God Ki?
I think you're miscalculating goku's power, even if vegeta pushed his ikari form to x50, he wouldn't be close to goku. Kaioken x50 on top of x10 ikari would be x500 base. Even at just Kaioken x10 on top of ikari, it would be x100 base which would still topple vegeta.
God kaioken is what I always hoped for
It is possible he just never did it
Same I always figured he could push kaioken further due to supersayian God being easier to use then blue
ULTRA RED
Thanks for crediting the artist, love your stuff fabio
Thanks alot
Vegeta would get this
"IKARI SUPER SAIYAN GOD EVOLUTION".
Ikari super saiyan god kaioken x50 goku should go for
Man it’s almost like the wrathful form does more help then super sayian, I wonder if goku can get ui still?
I meant would he still get it cuz I feel like he need the extra power up from blue and super sayian to help get at least omen
You getting 3k subs is a legend oooooooorrrrrrrr 😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😯
Great vid hyped for the next what if vid!
Thanks
Vegeta's blue evolution equivalent should be called SsG Evolution. And it should be possible to stack wrathful with it.
@Dan Cooke I think since the Ikari's form has yellow eyes and the God form has red the eyes should he a reddish-orange color.
@Dan Cooke and no, the ssjb evolution was a sort of full power limit breaking form that vegetal gained from the thought of being weak and incapable of being on par with Jiren. And he's done it before when trying to obtain ssj.
@Dan Cooke @Dan Cooke The Ikari form is what happens when a Saiyan accesses the power of their Great ape in their Base form. And Vegeta was seen time and time again being able to easily control himself while in great ape form. DBZ (Goku vs Vegeta) and DBGT (the time he turned into a great ape to obtain Ssj4). Also, the Ikari form was an idea pulled from ssj4 and it(ssj4) was also pulling it's strength from the ssj-great ape. In reality it's a different form of ssj that you gain after regaining consciousness while in the ssjApe form. The power is all put into your human form so to speak. But that requires a tail to occur. Since they have no tails they get a weaker version of the primal form.
Basically im saying that it should be possible to merge both forms because they come from different wells of power. One entirely comes from breaking your limits in God form, the other is pulled from their saiyan biology. It's not too far fetched to assume that they could do this.
My depiction isn't entirely accurate though so don't quote me lol
Hey Fabio, I have a what if suggestion.
What if Gohan was the reincarnation of Whitebeard and have Gamer powers?
No thanks
@@fabio5845
How about just Gamer powers?
Fabio: Vegeta Would Unlock A Transformation Similar To Blue Evolution.
Me: So It's *Wrathfull God Evolution Vegeta?* With A Lighter Glow Of Red Hair?
More like a darker shade of red
😕...Damn.
Damn, I thought gohan could implement the ultimate form with the wrathful form, oh well, still a great video
Thanks
Fabio, I have a question to ask you. What do you think would have happened if the Original Nameless Namekian never would have had any evil whatsoever in his heart?
Like for an example, what would have happened if the son of Katas would have had never split into Kami and Piccolo Daimaō from the Original Nameless Namekian having been born with an innocent personality like Dende?
A stronger kami
That is only a part of the overall thing I am asking you about, Fabio. But what else do you think will change? Like in the case of the Human population being affected with no Piccolo Daimaō around?
@@adamwade6243 I'll have to think about it and I might consider it to be a what if.
Finally, one of my Comments had sparked something right out of you. Fabio.
I’ve seen what ifs suggestions where Goku is born a SSJ4 but I know that wouldn’t happen because
1. Goku’s S Cells would need to activate at birth which would make Super Saiyan as his base form
2. Then turn into a Golden Great Ape in the womb (which would make Gine explode)
3. Then he would need to control that but then he would probably just go crazy and then ye
Also could you do What If Goku was born with Super Saiyan as his base
The How: Goku is born with a rare condition that causes his S Cells to have actived at birth giving him 50x his base power at birth
True.
How did frieza get his golf form? He based it off super saiyan.
Then choose whatever color suits you
Based off the Gold Aura of Wrathful
Yes The 2 red power in to one.
I love your videos please keep making more ❤️❤️
Glad you enjoy them
Imagine if ssj existed in u6 thatll suck for u7 😂
actually no cause as he stated they match themselves from canon
@@kris7115 ik that but im just saying imagine if it did exist in u6 and not u7 itll suck for them
One Plot Hole...
Goku is constantly getting Zenkai here because he's using Kaioken MORE THAN AND LONGER THAN CANNON.
That's false. Zenkai is recovering from near death or critical injuries and goku didn't get any of those from using Kaioken. And Zenkais dyed down after the frieza saga.
@@fabio5845 And what does using a higher version of the Kaioken does to your body? They strain the body? Precisely.
Goku would end up gaining more damage over time which would mean Goku would gain more and more battle damaged the longer he is using Kaioken in the battlefield.
Compared to vegeta who is just using the Ikari form.
They did not train their base to get the perfected super saiyan to be well adjusted to them. They trained in Super saiyan to get used to it and mastered the super saiyan transformation in cannon.
Well it's canonical that self harm doesent give a saiyain zenkais Kaio-ken is self harm
Just realised even if ssj doesnt exist the saiyans can still be powerful they have ssg ultimate form kaioken also those combined could be more greater than ssb
Also love the idea of ssg combined with ikari for vegeta and kaioken for goku very awesome idea
Thanks alot
@@fabio5845 you could do ssg evolution, similar to SSBE but since they don’t have ssj, they evolve the ssg form making it stronger (SSGE) or introduce SSSG4( goku and vegeta get their tail regrown and they transform into the great ape form and with their god ki they become ssg great apes and then learn to master it and become the humanoid form of it which they call ssgss but we know it’s ssg4
@@fabio5845 could you do what if oolong trained with beerus, he would become a god of destruction candidate similar t toppo
@@gethype1908 lol nice joke
@@fabio5845 no I’m being serious lmao
I think at least the U6 Saiyans could use the Wrathful Form, but it really wouldn't change the story much.
What if suggestion:
What if Gohan was born with God Ki?
Thanks for the Suggestion
Well since they ditched the tail I doubt they could
hey fabio why does gokus ikari multiplier didnt increase but vegeta does how?
Because Vegeta focused on improving the ikari while goku focused on combining Kaioken and ikari.
make sense
make sense
You move though the story a lot faster than what most other what if channels do. I don't know how I feel about that.
Ahhh you should have thrown a twist in by having broly actually go ssj.
That wouldn't be a twist that would be plain stupid
Don't be rude to your fans what the heck
@@Drag0nXZ I'm not being rude I'm saying it as it is
This felt so rushed
Can you do super saiyan god great apes who turn into supee saiyan god 4 a form much stronger than ssb ssbe its power could be broken with kaioken
Is this the finale
University six sayings should have super saying lol
Men i love this video please make part 3
What if goku & vegeta both SSBE instead of just vegeta
Yes I do think Universe 6 Saiyans couldn’t go Wrathful they don’t have tails to cut off so they just don’t have to ability to
Yea
I disagree with most of this
Why is he not using ssj?
Is this a joke or are you serious
he should've add Super sayian god ikari kaioken x 10
The super saiyan God should be renamed saiyan God since super saiyan God is just a myth in this timeline
I really liked this video I just disliked how you rushed through the arcs and sagas
I don't like repeating the same thing over and over
Fabio Well keep up the good work man your doing amazing
@@juicyjaaay214 thanks
can you make what if goku was immortal from birth
No that's really impossible
@@fabio5845 oh ok nvm
Oop- you used a render of super saiyan trunks in this
Oh yeah didn't realize that
I think you're miscalculating goku's power, even if vegeta pushed his ikari form to x50, he wouldn't be close to goku. Kaioken x50 on top of x10 ikari would be x500 base. Even at just Kaioken x10 on top of ikari, it would be x100 base which would still topple vegeta.
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No offence but if there was no super sayian than Dragon ball gets kinda boring
Base Wrathful state 10× wrathful bulked up state grade 2 20× power up
Potential Unleashed 500×
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